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unhinged claims from donald trump and his acolytes. and later, worst of the week, the corrupt courts edition. the justices who nearly helped trump avoid the label of convicted felon. i'm ayman mohyeldin. let's do it. the death toll from five devastating fires in california has now tragically risen to at least 13 people. the fires spread across tens of thousands of acres, destroying entire communities and more than 12,000 structures. evacuation orders for the palisades fire, the largest of them all, have now expanded. that fire is currently 11% contained. we go live to nbc's ellison barber in brentwood, california, with the very latest on these efforts. ellison, talk us through what you have been seeing on the ground, hearing from folks you're talking to, whether they're firefighters or ordinary citizens. what are the residents there facing? >> you know, people are incredibly frustrated. both people who live in the areas near the palisades fire and also the eaton fire, frustrated that

things have gotten this bad, frustrated that it's taking so long to contain those fires, and also frustrated that they aren't able to get back home to see how things are. i mean, look, you can see kind of behind me the smoke in the area that has popped up in the latest expansion of the palisades fire. we were up on that ridge with the cal fire team just a couple of hours ago, and it was extraordinary to see how quickly the fires were able to sort of spread in little pockets because of all of the dry brush and vegetation in that area. where we were was mandeville canyon. and essentially the crew that we were with, you see them firing right along there. fire was coming down the side of the mountain, bits of debris coming and then spreading it further. there were two, three, four strikers, firemen in each little pocket trying to stop the fires from getting to the homes in that area. that area is where the evacuation orders today expanded to include, where there is a real threat to the property that is there. but a lot of

people, they're so desperate to get home, to get some basic necessities if their home is still standing, and also to just get a sense of how bad the damage is in so many ways. when you go back into these areas, it looks like a war zone. when we were there, there was a push of air tankers, air, sort of an air assault essentially on that fire, trying to get it under control before the possibility of the santa ana winds picking up in the evening hours and in the days ahead. i want you to see some of what we saw. at one point, we were with that team as one of those tankers came and dropped flame retardant. here's a report that we filed from there because it's impossible to get any sort of cell service to get that video out when you're that close on the fire line. look. so this overhead, the one of those planes just coming by with retardant, trying to contain the fire just sprayed on top of us. it's this pink residue. but this is what will hopefully prevent the fire, the palisades fire from expanding even more. it's already burned over 22,000 acres, and they're still working on getting things

contained as these guys just keep moving, fighting, trying to stop these flames from reaching any bit of property. it's relentless. we saw them move from one fire spot down on the ridge to another one over here. this time they're trying to protect this house in particular, but there are groups like this of firefighters scattered all across this area, this section of mandeville canyon where we've seen the palisades fire expand a bit. you know, one of the things when residents who are frustrated, rightly so at some of the questions they have about why there wasn't enough water in fire hydrants, why they felt like they didn't get enough help right off the bat. a lot of them are also frustrated simply because they cannot go home. but we spent time yesterday with firefighters in the eaton fire in downtown altadena, and we saw one of the reasons why it's so hard and why they're so hesitant to allow people back into mandatory evacuation zones. a big concern in a lot of these areas are hotspots, and in some of these buildings they have basements. multiple levels of floors have collapsed, heat and embers are still burning

underneath them. and we've seen countless times now, when we were with these teams last night near the eaton fire, where it looked like a building was not burning anymore, it wasn't active. and then a few hours later, because there were hotspots and heat trapped underneath the layers, those flames reignited. and the firefighters we've been with are saying, please be patient. we are doing the best to get this out, but we're not entirely sure that a lot of these buildings are safe, and that is part of why they're so hesitant to let people back into these areas. but for the residents, and i can show you this really quickly here to these people here, they're all waiting to try to get into their homes to get medicine. and some of them tell us they have been waiting for about nine hours. amen. back to you. >> absolutely incredible. allison barber, thank you so much for that report. stay safe, my friend. we'll check in with you as things develop now as millions of people across southern california. as you just saw, there remain under fire alerts as they watch their homes and communities be destroyed. what is maga world doing to help, you might be wondering? well, nothing more than blind finger pointing. first buddy

elon musk linked the wildfires to democrats focus on diversity. he posted quote dei means people die on his platform x, alongside a video of the los angeles fire chief talking about how she wants to diversify the force. former fox news host megyn kelly also laid the blame on so-called diversity initiatives this week. >> as if all of this is not enough, it turns out that in recent years, la's fire chief has made not filling the fire hydrants a top priority. >> but diversity. >> diversity is at least among the top priorities for the department. >> and then there was jesse watters take on fox news, which is so outlandish. i'm just going to let you hear it for yourself. >> gavin's been tearing down dams. >> why? >> because the indians wanted some of their river back so they could catch salmon. >> gavin didn't just knock down one dam for the indians. he

knocked down all four. and these dams were a go to source for firefighters to pull water from to fight fires up north. gavin's literally tearing down western civilization for fish and indians. nothing against the indians. i love the indians, but really. >> meanwhile, president elect trump has lashed out at governor gavin newsom in a series of posts. he has falsely claimed that the fish conservation efforts in northern california are causing fire hydrants to run dry. in a post calling newsom by a perverse nickname, trump wrote that he that the governor allegedly refused to sign a water restoration declaration that supposedly would have allowed millions of gallons of water in northern california to flow to other parts of the state. but here's the thing that water restoration declaration trump refers to never existed. in fact, trump got nothing right in the entire post, according to an expert on water policy who spoke with nbc news. it is a well-worn page in trump's playbook. distract from the issue at hand, amplify lies and

direct blame at perceived political enemies. everything except talking about the intensifying climate crisis that makes wildfires like these more frequent and intense. last year was the hottest on record, and global temperatures exceeded 1.5°c of heating for the first time ever. and then there are other systemic issues at play here. hundreds of incarcerated people who are fighting the deadly fires and earning a maximum of $10.24 per day, and the homeowners who have had their insurance policies canceled months before the wildfires destroyed their homes. republicans are orchestrating an unhinged attempt to take focus away from these real societal problems that we desperately need to solve. joining me now to discuss this, molly jong-fast, msnbc political analyst and host of the fast politics podcast and special correspondent for vanity fair. dean obeidallah, msnbc columnist and host of the dean obeidallah show on sirius xm.

and angelo carusone, president of media matters. great to have all three of you with us. molly, i'll start with your reaction here and to this finger pointing from the republicans and specifically donald trump and his cohorts at fox. they're trying to blame everything except what is really happening. >> you know, trump did this throughout the last four years, right? >> he was running for president for four years during the biden administration. and every time there was sort of a anything, he would just jump in there and be like, this is why this is biden's fault. this is why this is the democrats fault. so i don't think we should be super surprised that he's doing this. i think what's worrying is that it has worked for him, right. he's been able to flood the zone and get these messages. so you have all of a sudden, you know, people are not talking about climate change, right? they're not talking about why does the why does the los angeles fire department have so much less money than the los angeles

police department, right? why are we not better prepared for the climate emergencies that we see on the horizon? instead, we're talking about like, is this the governor's fault or the mayor's fault? and, you know, and i just think he's very effective at flooding the zone. and he's had a lot of success with it. he has no reason to stop. >> richard grenell, dean, the trump's choice for his so-called envoy of special missions. we're not sure what that yet entails and whether this would even fall under that category. but the far left. he said that the far left policies of democrats in california are literally burning us to the ground. of course, the wildfires are exposing, you know, that clearly current policies are not working in terms of climate disaster management. but at the same time, can we talk about the, you know, hypocrisies in that statement? we're seeing a whole lot of finger pointing misinformation about the real issues. and no, talk about tangible solutions. it's just blame democrats. >> it's you know, molly makes a good point that donald trump has done this for years.

>> the difference is donald trump is president elect. >> the man is going to be sworn in as president. >> and you would think that would mean something to him, that something like, i'm going to care for my fellow americans in need and putting out statements not attacking newsom, but about maybe something about like, what more we can do to work together in the future to protect the people. >> but if you're in a blue state that donald trump, you're expendable. that's very clear. he never wanted to be president of the united states. he wants to be king of his base, and he's not going to change. >> and my point, bigger point of him is for those democrats like john fetterman, who go down to mar a lago to go kiss trump's butt. i hope you look at yourself in the mirror and say it is despicable what trump is doing. i hope he reminds you of how vile he is, that democrats start stepping up and taking the fight to donald trump on all the issues, including correcting the record, where we see very few democrats stepping up into the fight on this issue. >> yeah, i was going to say fetterman is not going to do that. i mean, can you imagine for a second if joe biden would have said something like that about ron desantis in the middle of the flooding that was taking place in florida? if he would have spoken about ron desantis,

it just would never have happened. >> but it's not just trump. it's a whole ecosystem of misinformation that is drowning out the noise. and i don't know that this has much to do. i mean, this is just so successful for them that people are not able to get the actual truth and they're not even able. i mean, i think it really is obfuscating everything. yeah. >> and so to that point, i was going to say, let me, angela, get your thoughts on this because, you know, you've got fox, not just fox host jesse watters, you've got other republican leaders directing the blame spreading conspiracy theories. there's one going around that they've been promoting that officials use public funds to house undocumented migrants instead of building water storage infrastructure. >> yeah. >> i mean, i think that and molly sort of referenced it before a little bit about the ecosystem. and that's what's really concerning about these moments in particular, is that it's beyond just, you know, sort of these day to day fights of flooding the zone with lies. one of the things that's happening in these moments of crises, and they've been doing this more and more and as, as, as dean noted, he's about to come into power now, which means he can operationalize that, that those

lies into something more, more and more power for himself. what they do in these moments when people are really emotional and their, you know, their lives are turned upside down, people want answers. and you take this sort of high valence emotions that people feel. you take this massive right wing media megaphone, an echo chamber, and you just start to pump lies into it, and it's about to get a whole lot louder and more effective because of the changes that mark zuckerberg has made at facebook. and in those moments, you're basically handing out a bunch of red pills to people that are just looking for an answer. they're looking for someone to be mad about something to blame, something that's not a decades long, complicated climate change discussion. they just want to know who messed up. is this a question of competence, and how can we get accountability and change it? and in a few weeks, trump is going to not just be able to sit on the sidelines and snipe. he's going to be able to say they messed up, they made mistakes. and here's this extraordinary thing that i want to do. here's richard grenell, the new viceroy of california. he will fix all of your problems, right? i mean, that's the kind of stuff that he's going to be able to operationalize. so these lies have more consequences than just

sort of messing up the conversation, distorting people's ability to prevent crises and making crises worse. it actually is a way for him to continue to build and organize power on the backs of this massive disinformation engine. yeah. >> what do you see as the danger here, molly? i mean, to angelo's point, you know, brad sherman, the congressman from california who actually represents the district in which pacific palisades in told us on this program last hour, this is not a water shortage problem. there is not a shortage of water in california. so for them to come out and say, this is about, you know, dams and rivers and native americans, as jesse waters was trying to allude to there or die. that's not what this was about, right? >> no, it's a water pressure problem, among other things. right. but it's really a valid question to be had about those systems. and it's really an emergency preparedness problem. right? really. and it's like a, you know, california needs more money for fire because this is clearly a very big deal. now, that said, there are a lot of

other issues going. i mean, this is a complicated story with a lot going on and a lot of fires, and we'll know a lot more in a couple of months, in a couple of weeks and months and whatever. but the point is now i think we see a really i mean, i don't know how you get ahead of it at this point, right? like with the lies and the newsom has a website that is like debunking some of the lies, but i'm not sure. >> you can't keep up with the lies as how fast they're coming out. >> and the flow of information is so is so is so sort of stuck that i'm not sure what happens. also, zuckerberg really did come out and say that, you know, facts are sort of biased towards liberals. and that i think is going to be a real problem. you know, the idea that there should be sort of a separate set of facts that don't hurt trump's feelings, that's kind of i don't know where we're headed. it's no, we're good. >> no, we're going to squeeze in a quick break and we'll chat with you a little bit later this hour. molly dean, stick around for your reaction. up next on

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extend a court order she issued last week, temporarily blocking the release of the final report of smith submitted to the department and its leaders on tuesday. trump was charged with election interference in washington, d.c, and with hoarding classified documents at his mar a lago resort and refusing to return them to the fbi after being asked to do so. but smith dropped the case after the november election following a long standing justice department policy against prosecuting a sitting president. smith's departure, while expected, happens right in the middle over the legal battle over whether the public will ever see smith's investigative report on trump. molly and dean are both back with me. you know, his resignation. not a surprise, molly, but the battle. as i said, it happens right in the middle of this ongoing battle as to whether or not we're going to see the report, what do you make of just the situation that we find ourselves in and whether or not we're even going to see this report? merrick garland saying he's not going to release the

classified documents part of it because there's ongoing cases that i think the most average lawyer. i'm not looking at you, dean, but but but even the most average lawyer would know. would know, would know that come january 20th, donald trump and his department of justice is going to shut it down. >> merrick garland brought a stuffed animal to a knife fight. you know, he just i mean, was not up for the task. >> he continues to disappoint, continue. >> it's important that he disappoint just until the moment he leaves office. i mean, i don't know what to tell you. there was this idea that somehow there would be some kind of accountability, but. but shockingly, there won't be no. >> what do you make of this? >> let me just make a plea to jack smith. let me turn right to the camera. jack smith, if you're watching, you don't work for doj. email me the report. dean at dean of radio.com, or you can slide into my dm. i will share it. >> you don't have to tell me who you can have a fake email.

>> i don't even care. it could be like smith 4095 or whatever he wants. give us the report, leave it at the photocopy place. whatever you have to do. we need to see the report. merrick garland, i've said on this show, the worst attorney general in the modern history, if ever, and that he did not swiftly hold donald trump accountable for attempting a coup and inciting a terrorist attack. >> i can't think of a bigger failure of an ag whose job it is to enforce a law and protect our nation, and merrick garland, i wish he had resigned in april of 2021, the month after he got appointed. this jack smith. what else is he going to do? >> and don't forget, it's merrick garland's doj policy that he enforced. >> that stopped jack smith from even continuing with the case until trump's fired him, which i would prefer that let trump pick his ag and then fire jack smith. and that becomes a big news story. he took that away, merrick garland, by saying, no, the internal memos, you have to drop the case. and that's what jack smith said in his filings. >> so let me get your thoughts. since you made this appeal to jack smith or anyone working in his office to release to you the dean of radio.com, that's my email. why is it important to

see the report? what is it from either from a legal i mean, we all know from a public perspective why it's important, and certainly for the sake of transparency in our democracy to know what it was that jack smith was basing his arguments, legal arguments, legal charges on. but from your point of view, from your vantage point of view, explain to our viewers why this just seeing this report would be important. >> still, i think think of all the great cable news segments we can have discussing it right there. you need that. i think it gives a narrative form. that's what you hope people remember the mueller report. not everyone read the entire thing, but you get the summary, a couple of pages, and it gives it a narrative. and it reminds people what donald trump did in the january 6th case, where he was charged with four felonies for attempting a coup, folks attempting to remain in power despite losing the election. he was not charged for the attack on the capitol. he was she was classified documents case. they're not, merrick garland said. we're not going to see that. i don't think we are. >> but again, that would see that because he's saying that there's going to that the legal proceedings against the other two defendants are still ongoing post his presidency. and he i don't know if he is thinking

that donald trump is just somehow in his department of justice is just going to let these defendants go to trial and possibly implicate him and possibly and possibly implicating him it this has been the problem this whole time, right? >> as democrats have been like, this is the right thing to do, you know? well, this is not proper. and so, you know, here we are with no accountability for donald trump. and he's just and i mean, i think you could place the blame here squarely on merrick garland. yeah. >> we'll see. >> i wonder if jack smith is going to write a book or come forward or give an interview at some point. i mean, i feel i think the public interest in what his what he has to say is a radio show that he'd be great. >> yes. the dean obeidallah show. >> anything else you want to plug besides your show patches? >> for my show right here. and my newsletter. >> we got it, man. all right. thank you. everyone. stick around. coming up, we've got to talk about the evolution of this guy mark zuckerberg from tech guy mark zuckerberg from tech bro to maga bro.

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defending its companies, right? >> not be the tip of the spear attacking its companies. i don't want to come across as if like, we don't have things that we need to do better. >> obviously we do. and when we mess something up, we deserve to be held accountable for that. and just like everyone else, i do think that the american technology industry is a bright spot in the american economy. >> i think it's a strategic advantage for the united states that we have a lot of the strongest companies in the world, and i think it should be part of the us's strategy going forward to defend that. and it's one of the things that i'm optimistic about with president trump. so that was meta ceo mark zuckerberg arguing that when the us government targets or attacks tech companies, it sets a dangerous precedent. and it seems kind of rich coming from mark zuckerberg, because, you know, it was zuck that donald

trump literally threatened to throw in prison for the rest of his life if he did anything illegal to influence the presidential election. and this week, trump even gloated that zuckerberg rolled back his fact checking program because he scared him into it. and with that capitulation, zuck seems to have completed his full transformation from tech bro to maga world. the transformation includes bulking up, abandoning his hoodie for an oversize black tee and, of course, a little bling around his neck. and to be honest, the signs have been there for a while. this was not an overnight transformation. back in 2023, the meta ceo agreed to a hypothetical cage fight with fellow billionaire elon musk, which thankfully never actually happened. zuckerberg has been trying to find his way to the ring for some time. after all, who could forget this awkward moment at a ufc fight last year where he seemed out of place, walking in with a fighter's entourage and then not knowing what to do? no matter how much the zuck tried,

he just seemed out of place until now, it seems. earlier this month, zuckerberg announced that ufc ceo dana white joined the board, will join the board of directors at meta, and i guess it kind of makes sense when you think about it. white is a good person to have. in zuckerberg's corner, not only did he speak during trump's victory night speech, he has been friends with donald trump for decades. zuckerberg is probably hoping that he'll be one of the boys joining white, trump and elon musk at those ufc fights. you know who else is in both the ufc and trump orbit? joe rogan. he has been a ringside commentator at ufc fights for years, and he just had zuckerberg on a new episode of his popular podcast, the joe rogan experience, that aired yesterday. >> we're also lucky that you got into jiu jitsu, because i think i think that had an effect on you. >> you look different when you walked in here today. you look thicker, you look like a different guy. you do. you look

like a jiu jitsu guy. now. it's funny. i saw your neck. >> i'm like, his neck is bigger, your neck is bigger. good. >> yeah. big neck. thick, you know, plus joe rogan's blessing. what more does a man need to make it in maga world? molly, dean and angela are back with me. angela, your take on this whole transformation by zuckerberg, i mean, it's. we can joke around a little bit, but but it carries some serious and dangerous weight for a lot in this country. >> yeah, it really does for a lot of reasons. i mean, this isn't surprising. i mean, he's done this before. let's not forget that back in 2016, you know, after glenn beck, tucker carlson and laura ingraham did this meeting with him in may of 2016, he radically overhauled facebook's policies around the trending topics section and right wing misinformation and content exploded. there's been this idea, at least in that sort of metastasize, that somehow facebook's has been suppressing or censoring conservative content. it's just the right

wing working the refs. i mean, we did a big study that looked at 29 million posts. right wing content had 42% of the engagements, even though it only accounted for 19% of the content. i mean, that's not what suppression and censorship looks like, but part of what we're seeing is the culmination of a strategy of working the refs and doing two things to threaten them and bully them. in this case, you know, zuckerberg not only got threatened to be jailed, but then in november, right after trump won the election, the guy that's going to be the new fcc chair sent a letter saying, hey, we're going to come after your section 230 immunity protections unless you stop censoring. so one was to avoid consequences. and then the second part, which is even scarier, and this is going to be the new norm, is that you could also get something out of it. and that's what zuckerberg saw, is that if you don't just say nice things to trump, but you actually start to take what you have, which is his is his ecosystem and use it to empower maga. and the megaphone that we were just talking about in the first segment, you can get something out of it. and what he wants is less accountability from other countries that are actually cracking down on the

types of misinformation, disinformation, extremism, sort of surveillance, you know, advertising that the platform is doing and they're trying to rein it in. and what he wants is protection. so he wants to basically exploit the government to protect and further enrich himself. and if he has to give up the platform, then so be it. and, you know, to me, it's not just about fact checking the part that's scarier. that's where i'll stop is that he said. we're not only not going to fact check, but we're also going to open up the floodgates. yeah, what they had previously been doing was slowing down the types of content that would otherwise, you know, you know, that lead to misinformation. now they're saying, hey, that's a free for all. now it's all going to get supercharged. so we're in for trouble. yeah. >> so he's not he's not just doing the fact checking thing and getting away with that part. it's the fact that he's now echoing these talking points. he is now fully adopted. this narrative by maga that there's political bias, that tech companies were somehow liberal or biased towards liberal and democrats. and now he's gone full tilt the other way to angela's point that he is now

really just, you know, parroting the talking points from the far right. >> yeah, it's tech bros midlife crisis, right. he's just and i would say, look, he's doing this because he thinks trump is transactional and he can get a transaction from him. the thing i find the most appalling about that clip is him being furious that the government wanted to regulate him at all. yeah. you know, he's like, i did all this for you. the man is worth hundreds of billions of dollars. you'll you'll forgive me if i do not feel sorry for him. but i do think it is the setup here. i mean, i, i know this is my hobby horse, but like, congress refused to regulate technology at all. yeah, they were like, just please, please, please do something. tech bros were like, why? and also mad at the implication that they should regulate themselves at all. and now they have a guy in office who does, who's absolutely never going to let anyone have any regulation at all. and so i think it is a perfect storm. but

again, the idea that these people would do this on their own, that these big companies would regulate themselves for the betterment of, of public good, was always a complete fallacy. >> this idea that, you know, that they were being asked to censorship, and this is something that you and i, you know, obviously track very closely. palestinian voices on facebook have been silenced and censored. and yet here he is pretending to be that he's going to be an advocate for free speech without saying anything at all about whether or not these voices that you know have been well documented by a lot of watchdog groups and activists out there, is not the case, i could not agree with you more. >> does this mean now that mark zuckerberg is going to allow on instagram and facebook, my friends to post images of their family who are under occupation in the west bank, or friends, family or people they've seen in the media being killed in gaza. probably not. that's not what free speech is. this idea that donald trump is, at best a defender of free speech is insane. yeah, it's the man who threatened cbs with their

license. abc, with their license, sued iowa paper for pointing a poll. he didn't like a guy to remind everyone as president called on the fcc to investigate senator live and cancel it. and he called publicly to cancel sunday night live to shot in this building for mocking him. this man is a threat to any speech. he doesn't like donald trump. so for zuckerberg. but isn't that a beautiful moment? zuckerberg and rogan falling in love. look at your neck. it's so beautiful. like, oh, i wish you spoke to me like that after i, you know, i wish, i wish i talked to my fiance. >> i love your hair, though, if that counts for anything. >> thank you, i appreciate it. your next bigger than ever. >> all right, panel, stick around. >> up next, our worst of the week segment. the justices on the high court falling in line or falling in line, i should say, to help donald trump and failing to uphold the rule of failing to uphold the rule of law. watch your step! that's why visionworks makes it simple to schedule an eye exam that works for you. even if you have a big trip to plan around. thanks! i mean, i can see you right now if that's...convenient.

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edition. donald trump is now officially a convicted felon, but he almost avoided that label thanks to four conservative justices, including two who were appointed by trump in a narrow 5 to 4 ruling justice clarence thomas, samuel alito, neil gorsuch and brett kavanaugh all said they would have granted trump's ridiculous application, arguing the sentence would have imposed a burden on his responsibilities as president elect. what burden, exactly? i mean, for a sentence of a unconditional discharge with no jail time, no fine, and no conditions of probation. my panel is back with me. any theories about this burden that the four justices were referring to here? >> it's very disappointing. i mean, in one way, you could look at this because a lot of court watchers, including myself, have listened to oral arguments and heard justice amy sound very smart and then vote very crazy. and here was a moment where she sounded smart and she voted. what made sense? and so that in itself it's very small because

the ruling, it's insane that this even came up in front of them. but i think it's more important to realize that kavanaugh and gorsuch are are basically the same as thomas and alito. yeah, right. just maga fox news just our team will do anything for their guy, and that's pretty worrying. >> angela, what message does this send? i mean, these are four of the six conservative justices who helped protect trump in his in the first place by ruling in his favor in that broad immunity case. and now you have this. >> i mean, one thing that i see is the right wing backlash to amy coney barrett. i mean, the pressure is really intense on her and the right wing media. the two biggest things that they're talking about outside of the other than the fire, is how mad they are at amy coney barrett for making this ruling. and i think that's my big takeaway, is that you're going to see a lot more attacks on individual judges at the courts, including amy coney barrett, for her rulings to try to pressure her to sort of, you know, to sort of get back in line and line up with trump. and that

that, to me is my ultimate takeaway here is that even though, as mollie noted, it's not that monumental. she probably feels it is right now, given how much heat she's getting in the from the right wing megaphone. >> yeah. so to that point, i mean, she she broke ranks. yep. trump knows that. and he is willing to unleash whatever power in the media system against her and make her life probably a living hell in that social space and social media space and the media space. and she's not going to probably be in the same boys club that justice alito and clarence thomas and showered with gifts and what have you. >> here's what thomas should do. he should get his billionaire harlan crow, to give her her own jet and a house and build a house for her and her mom and all that good stuff. give the gifts. that's why clarence thomas is feted by harlan crow to stay in the group, because other republican presidents have appointed people who become liberal. so keep giving gifts, and he stays with them. so they have to start giving her gifts. but look, i'm not going to go crazy saying it's a great move what she did. but there are moments we've seen now where she seems to be breaking a little

from alito and kavanaugh and the other guy. so we'll see how it plays out in the long run. >> you know, i wanted to get your reaction to this news that actually broke as well, that justice samuel alito, it was revealed, you know, right before that he had this phone call with donald trump. you know, alito said they did not discuss the case. and the subject of the call was over. a former law clerk of his regarding his qualification to serve in the trump administration. he did not. alito did not recuse himself. i find it interesting that it's like the allegation that he was perhaps like calling alito or alito was calling trump, and then they spoke about the case like, no, no, that's not the source of the corruption. we're talking about another source of corruption, which is like, i have a law clerk and i and i want to assure you that he's very loyal to you. he is worthy of a job in your administration. he is going to be a good guy and he will serve you well. that's the like that. he's coming out and saying that, not the other one. >> well, and also, alito hadn't employed this guy in 14 years. yes. so there were a number of other employers that he could have talked to, but he had to talk to his guy, alito. look,

alito and thomas are basically trump's guys at this point. and i think this i mean, at least we know about this. at least we're getting the reporting to know that this stuff happens. >> what do you make of that? >> i'm deeply concerned about that. we have no longer the checks and balances of our constitution that were drafted to have that, where you have the house and the senate controlled by maga, you've got the supreme court controlled by maga and the white house about to be controlled by maga. there's nothing to rein donald trump in. so in the bigger picture, him talking alito, i think they probably talk whenever they want, email whenever they want. there's no more checks and balances. that is the scariest thing going into the next four years. >> angela, how much are right wing outlets like fox helping justices like alito and thomas avoid accountability for their alleged conflicts of interest? >> i mean, i think the dean just sort of made the point, right, is that there's no more checks anymore. and part of the reason there's no more checks anymore is that it is a reflection of that, is that they can do this stuff out in the open, and they know they're not going to get any pressure because, you know, because of the right wing narrative dominance. i mean,

unless it really gets some penetration, the right wing media, one way or another, it daca be able to reach a large number of people. and that's the ultimate problem here. and so they're going to run covert interference because they know it's part of the larger maga world, and it's pro-trump, and they're not going to step out of line either. trump is fully captured everything. >> yeah, i was going to say, and what we've learned from the election is, even if it does reach people in large numbers, people just say they don't care. they care more about something else. instead of these norms of separations and checks and balances, everyone stick around. we've got another bonus round of worst of the week, a moment that worst of the week, a moment that left vice president covid-19? i'm not waiting. if it's covid, paxlovid. paxlovid is an oral treatment for adults... with mild-to- moderate covid-19 and a high-risk factor for it becoming severe. it does not prevent covid-19. my symptoms are mild now, but i'm not risking it. if it's covid, paxlovid. paxlovid must be taken within the first 5 days of symptoms... and helps stop the virus from multiplying in your body. taking paxlovid with certain medicines can lead... to serious or life- threatening side effects or affect how it... or other medicines work,

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week. and this time that dishonor goes to bruce fisher, the husband of republican senator deb fischer, who went viral this week after stealing the spotlight from his wife during her swearing in ceremony, he was caught on camera denying a handshake to vice president kamala harris. fisher, who was holding a bible in one hand and a cane in the other, instead put his hand in his pocket and avoided eye contact. harris's facial expression afterward says it all. fisher didn't even crack a smile or fake an ounce of goodwill for the official photo of the event. and my panel is back with me. let me just play for you a sound really quickly for all of you. just moments before the handshake snub, it seems like harris was actually already feeling fisher's unease. take a listen. no, no. >> it's okay, i won't bite. >> don't worry. okay. >> okay. >> and in case you didn't hear it, she was basically saying i won't bite, as he, as his wife was basically telling me, hey, you can kind of move over or

stand in the middle between the two of us while we take this picture and do the swearing in ceremony. >> awkward. >> it's hard to say what's really going on. was it really a diss, or did this man not even know who she was? i mean, there's this weird thing where. >> what do you mean? he did not know who she was. >> who? vice president harris was. i have no idea. like, it's hard to say. i can't tell if that's a disoriented gentleman or someone being a real horrible, you know, right wing bigot type of thing. he did shake joe biden's hand six years ago. i mean, read reports about that. warmly shook his hand. he doesn't do it to harris. so is it what? it appears like something really horrible and partizanship to the point of bigotry? or is it just a gentleman who's. >> well, he nods at her. i mean, he does not. he? i mean, if you see in the video, she sticks out her hand. he looks at her. he nods. >> yeah, it's hard to say. >> you know. he nods. >> he acknowledges her. >> he acknowledges he knew somebody with a bible. >> what do you what do you make of this? >> i we have so many bigger problems right now. i mean, this is worse than.

>> yeah i know. it's. come on. >> okay. is it i have no i again i too have no idea whether he is a bigot or just totally out of it. i mean, he's he doesn't. look, you know, i it's i cannot know what is in his heart. angelo. >> angelo. >> angelo. angelo. >> he definitely knows what was in his heart. >> what was in his heart. >> talk to us. >> i mean, look, i don't know. i just know how people responded to it. yeah, i was going to say it got him. >> it got him a lot of praise. it got him a lot of praise in maga world. you know, he was like, you know, kudos to him for snubbing the vice president, right? >> that's right. and that's and that to me tells us and i know what's in their hearts. right. because they're pretty vocal about it. they talk about it. if you just look at what's happening in right wing media on ecs anywhere, they're happy about this, they're excited. and that's, you know, and that's because they think that, you know, no decorum is gone. it's no longer exist. we have to have new norms, and they've destroyed the norms. we're going to have to have some sort of set of new norms. we're not going back to

an era of basic civility and decency. and i think that's not me saying that's what i want, but i think it's this is another reality check. at least the response to this is the reality check. and i think that, to me is the tale going forward. just like we have a lot of work to do, there's going to have to be a lot of new norms too. and this is another indicator of that. >> and to kind of take a step back from it in light of this week and let's we won't even have to talk about what's in his heart. but to angelo's point about maga world responding specifically to the vice president, a woman who has handled herself with a lot of integrity and grace over the last couple of weeks. and, of course, what we saw on january 6th, the fact that she had to preside over the certification ceremony, if you will, in congress that ultimately announced or declared donald trump the president or the winner. and yet the boasting and the gloating of republicans at every turn and really just kind of like sticking in that knife more and more. and i mean, the video of her there in congress presiding over this thing. and then to angela's point now, how they're reacting with glee and

praising this snub, this is what the republican party has become. >> it's a it was a real glass cliff scenario for her too, right? i mean, she was expected to save the democratic party, right, and beat a guy who had an enormous cult of personality. i mean, i think in some ways we'll look back on this as just an insurmountable thing for her to do. and i and i think is very unfair. >> so, i mean, looking back in the camp somewhere, yes, probably wouldn't even be in this country. >> we'll be watching me and you will be deported. probably watching it from another country like you. remember when we were there? >> that was fun. at least the campus free wi-fi. that's what i'm hoping. that's all we can hope for. >> molly jong-fast dean obeidallah. anything you want to plug before we leave the show? >> no, i'm joking. >> angelo carusone. thank you so much, my friends. great to see you. as always. come back tomorrow night, 7 p.m. eastern on msnbc. susanne craig and anthony coley are here for a preview of the trump administration's confirmation administration's confirmation hearings. until then, i'm aym

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