for all of us, she will still be around the today show family even if we don't get her every single morning. instead, every morning she will be waking, waking up and walking her daughters to school with a cup of coffee and zipping around the burbs. you see it right there in her new white minivan. i could not be happier for my friend hoda. her beautiful girls hope and haley. and on that beautiful note, i wish you a very, very good night from all of our colleagues across the networks of nbc news. thanks for staying up late. i'll see you at the end of monday. >> danger zone. new evacuation orders are in effect tonight, as high winds and drought conditions help spread. the largest wildfires ravaging the los angeles area. we'll have a live update on efforts to contain the infernos. and i'll speak with congresswoman judy chu about the impact on her

district. plus, former fema administrator craig fugate on the growing strain on first responders and local resources. jack smith, splits the special counsel, resigned yesterday as he called on a federal judge not to continue blocking his two volume report into his investigations of donald trump. meanwhile, we await the release of smith's report on the january 6th investigation. former federal prosecutor and anthony coley, former adviser to attorney general merrick garland, joined me to discuss this. and the first felon in nine days, donald trump will become the first president convicted of breaking the law to put his hand on a bible, to swear to uphold the law. y'all, you can't make this stuff up. i'm jonathan capehart. this is the saturday show.

we're following breaking news out of southern california, where catastrophic wildfires have swept through 39,000 acres in the greater los angeles area. that's equivalent to almost twice the size of manhattan right now. firefighters are battling against strong winds that are expected to ramp up this weekend. the fires have left devastation in their path, destroying entire neighborhoods and communities. at least 13 people are dead and thousands have been displaced from their homes overnight. 153,000 los angeles residents were put under evacuation orders. that includes the palisades, where the largest fire is now sweeping east, threatening the brentwood and encino areas. so far, according to city and county fire officials, the palisades fire is just 11% contained. meanwhile, the second largest blaze, the eaton fire in the pasadena area, is at 15% contained. the lidia fire is now 100% contained. los

angeles county has declared a public health emergency, warning residents that smoke inhalation could pose short and long term threats to their health. earlier, at a press conference, los angeles mayor karen bass addressed the grief, anger and fear felt by so many right now. >> we are a city, los angeles. >> we have been through tragedies before. >> i remember 1992, the civil unrest when we had to rebuild the city. i remember 1994, the big earthquake. this tragic event will bring us together. we will say together, we will get through the fires and then we will we will rebuild our city and we will rebuild our city even better. >> joining us now, nbc news correspondent ellison barber, who's in brentwood, california. ellison, what's the latest on the active fires and the response? >> yeah. jonathan, we just got down from being along the fire line of the palisades fire just

further up back that way you can see a little bit of the haze. but essentially what has happened is up where the palisades fire is, there is this pocket in mandeville canyon where it has sort of reignited, spreading a little bit and threatening homes in that area. we were on the fire line with a team as they were trying to stop flames from reaching homes. at one point, flames coming down the side of the hill to stairs and three firefighters hotshots rushed up towards it, trying to stop that fire before it got to that person's house. i am still covered in a bit of pink. it's flame retardant. air tankers were flying overhead, making massive drops trying to contain this fire. when we spoke the other day with some of the teams, we're working on getting that air support, they said this weekend in particular is a crunch time for them, because what they're trying to do is encircle, particularly the palisades and the eaton fire, those gigantic fires, the biggest of all the active fires by far with flame retardant. so as they get into more red flag

warnings, and if those santa ana winds really start kicking off in the days ahead, they mostly wrapped the fire they hope, in flame retardant so the individual crews can keep working to get it under control and try and put all of those flames out. but the task ahead of them, it is still enormous. what we saw up in mandeville canyon just now was an example of how quickly flames can reignite, and also just spread and continue to spread, particularly in areas where there's dry vegetation, woods and brush. there was a lot of falling debris coming down the side of that hill, and when some of the debris would fall from the one fire up on the top of the hill, it would come down and ignite the dry vegetation and brush at the bottom. and then there would be another pocket of a fire where those crews had to rush and try and put it out. speaking with cal fire, they said, look, we know people are frustrated about the evacuation orders. the mandatory evacuation orders, tens of thousands still under them. but the work is not done. and right now they're in an incredible effort to push and try and get a lot of this

contained, especially as there's the concern that those santa ana winds are going to pick up in the days ahead. and in the beginning of this coming week. >> jonathan anderson, i know you've been talking to officials, but also you've been talking to residents. what are you hearing from them? >> they're frustrated right now. many of them. they're also devastated. we've spoken to a lot of people who told us their homes are still standing, but their neighbors, their homes are gone. and they say they have this immense feeling of almost a survivor's guilt. guilt that their home is standing when they know the rest of their community is not. a lot of people also really frustrated with government officials here, and a lot of their ire directed at mayor karen bass. they say they do feel like some of the budget cuts that the fire department experienced impacted the way they dealt with these fires to begin to begin with. they're also incredibly frustrated that they can't get back to their homes right now, some of them saying they don't feel like they have enough information. we met people today waiting in this area of brentwood, where we are

for over six hours in their car trying to get an escort to go back home, some of them just trying to get medicine to then evacuate again. listen to some of what we've heard. >> it's a nightmare. >> it's an absolute nightmare. >> all our friends have lost everything and nobody knows what's going to happen. >> we're just walking around numb. >> it's just hard to put it all into words. the emotions everyone is feeling, you know, we and it's such a beautiful community. people are already showing up with clothing and food and, you know, it's an amazing community. >> that woman, her name was judy. she and her husband had been waiting in that line at the time. we spoke to them for six hours. she said she was trying to go home to get some medicine, and if she could, she said she was hoping she could at least just grab some other basic clothing items because they didn't have enough. when they evacuated, they'd only packed for a day. i asked her if she believed her community could rebuild. she said, i have no

doubt they can. but the question for her right now and her husband is whether or not they will be alive to see it, because there is so much devastation and so much work to be done. she and others say they don't know how long it will take or really where to begin. jonathan. >> nbc's ellison barber, thank you very much for that report. and joining me now, congresswoman judy chu of california. her district has been affected by the eaton fire, one of the largest fires spreading in the los angeles los angeles area tonight. congresswoman, thank you very much for coming to the saturday show. i understand you just finished touring the area with fellow members of the california delegation. tell me, what do you see? what did you see, and what are you hearing from your constituents? >> well, my first tour was with the fema administrator on thursday. the devastation just was beyond belief. block after block of burnt homes to their. foundation. significant

buildings that that were burnt to the ground, such as the altadena country club, the pasadena jewish temple, the altadena community church all gone. and when i saw that, i said, i have to make sure that my california congress members see this because we are going to have to push for disaster relief in our upcoming budget, and they need to be our allies in making sure that we get that money in, because it's going to be a long recovery. >> and before i'm going to ask you about that in a second. but right now, congresswoman, are you getting the resources that you need? >> right now, i have to say that fema has been incredible, and it all started with governor newsom asking president biden to declare this a national disaster and then getting our federal emergency management grants to come to our area. normally,

there's a 75% reimbursement rate for all firefighting expenses. but president biden then went one step further and made it 100% reimbursement for fema also has come out, and they are setting up a local assistance center. they immediately set up a website where any of the victims can sign on and get the process started for financial relief, for the problems that they're incurring as a result of this disaster. so i just have to urge everybody disasterassistance.gov. sign up now. if you are a victim of these fires. >> disaster assistance.gov i said that again so people can hear it again. so congresswoman, as you mentioned a moment ago, getting disaster relief in the upcoming budget negotiations brings me to what's going to happen nine days from now. and

that is the inauguration of a new administration. are you concerned about getting the aid that you need from the incoming trump administration once it's sworn in? >> well, i am concerned because of statements that president elect trump has made about california, but i hope that we can impart to him that wildfires have no political affiliation, no political party. they affect everybody of all kinds of persuasions. and the people here are so devastated. they've had everything taken away from them. some of them left the fires with only what they could carry. and so we have to make sure that we do right by them, and that they can go back to having the quality of life that they had before. so we are going to be doing tours for our republican

members of congress, especially those in charge of appropriations. and we've actually already extended the invitation while governor newsom did. and so did kathryn barger, our supervisor to president trump, president elect trump, to come to this area and witness the devastation for himself. >> congresswoman, do you know if they have heard anything back from the president elect's team? >> we have not heard anything back yet. so we know that this is our biggest the next few days and next few weeks. >> congresswoman judy chu of california, thank you very much for giving us that update and coming to the saturday show. thank you. all right. for more information on how to contribute to relief efforts for the california wildfires, you can scan the qr code on your screen

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>> breaking news out of the justice department. special counsel jack smith has officially resigned. it happened yesterday, but the revelation was made in a court filing today that urged a federal judge to not continue blocking the release of his report. smith's resignation yesterday is no surprise. he signaled months ago that he would step down before trump's inauguration. what this all means is that some of the special counsel's findings could become public as soon as tomorrow. all that's needed is permission from the 11th circuit court of appeals to release smith's volume on his january 6th investigation. meanwhile, in just nine days, trump, a convicted felon, will become the first of his kind to serve as president of the united states. as peter baker writes in the new york times, the nation will soon witness the paradox of a newly elected president putting his hand on a bible to swear an oath to preserve, protect and defend the constitution of the united

states, the supreme law of the land. barely a week after being sentenced for violating the law, trump was sentenced yesterday in the new york hush money election interference case. that's the case so many said was so weak and would go nowhere. but instead, a jury of trump's peers in his home town found him guilty of 34 counts of falsifying business records with the with intent to defraud. judge juan merchan gave trump an unconditional discharge, which carries no jail time, probation or fines. and as usual, trump remained defiant. >> the fact is that i'm totally innocent. >> i did nothing wrong. they talk about business records, and the business records were extremely accurately counted. >> okay. fact check. pants on fire. false. joining me now, former federal prosecutor and

senior writer for politico magazine. and anthony coley, msnbc justice and legal affairs analyst, former director of the office of public affairs at the justice department and senior advisor to attorney general merrick garland. gentlemen, welcome back to the saturday show. okay, so i had the pink highlighter in my hand when we came out of the break because i was trying to help me make sense of something now. donald trump went to the supreme court to get the court to prevent his sentencing yesterday. the supreme court came back 5 to 4 and said no. and so he got he was sentenced. but now can he go back to the supreme court and get them to overturn the conviction? >> he can eventually attempt to do that. the effort to go to the supreme court was just about the timing of the sentencing and whether he could stop it. he still has an appeal from the conviction itself, meaning like, you know, whether it was valid, whether there was any improprieties, whether some evidence should have been excluded, particularly surrounding what he claims were

immunized, conduct that would go through the new york state court system first, but he may then attempt to take it to the supreme court if he doesn't get the result, which he wants, which is obviously to throw it out. >> and given the given how the court ruled in terms of his sentencing. do you think the court will be five four again with justice chief justice roberts and justice amy coney barrett siding with the liberals? >> i don't know, actually. i read the tea leaves a little differently. what we what we saw last week was four justices who have had no briefing on what happened at that trial, who are already prepared, i think, to toss the conviction out. so the question is whether roberts and barrett could be brought along. and that's an open question to me. >> i'm cynical here. i think the only reason they let this whole sentencing go forward is because judge juan marchand signaled early on that he was not going to incarcerate donald trump. that's why i think they let this go forward. and i do think at the end of the day, once this reaches the court again, that i

just cannot imagine that conservatives are going to let this, this conviction stand. i think they're going to overturn it. >> do i think it's quite likely? and i totally agree with anthony's assessment. i think if there had been any sense that he might be in some actual danger on friday of some sort of punishment, they would have killed it off. i mean, i think they were fine to let him have a bad press day, but anything more than that, they seem very eager to prevent from happening. >> yeah. okay. can we just talk about what, to me, looks like a conflict, and that is justice samuel alito talking to the president elect on the phone, they say about some sort of job thing for someone that the justice knows and that they didn't talk about the case. they didn't talk about the case at all. i'm sorry, i oh, i don't know, but but am i wrong? am i being overly i don't even know the right word. am i reading too

much into this phone call or is that normal? >> so listen, there is a conflict of interest. and then there's the appearance of the conflict of interest. and in either one of those situations, justices should recuse. that's what should happen. the reality here is that samuel alito, he there is no enforcement mechanism in this supreme court. so even if they do something wrong or look like they do something wrong, there is no accountability here. that's the real problem. he shouldn't have done it. and we certainly should not take donald trump's words or samuel alito's words that they didn't talk about anything before the court. right. it's just i don't it doesn't it doesn't pass the smell test. >> is there even a separation between the judicial branch and the executive branch anymore? >> right. i mean, i think i agree this was improper. i mean, trump is a litigant before this court. he knew that. and instead he's on the phone basically asking the president for a favor. right, right, right. which is to hire his former clerk. >> and this is not for a cabinet position. this is this is a sub-cabinet position for

somebody who has already served in trump's administration at the justice department. this guy's name is will levy. everybody knows in this town knows who levy is. it just it doesn't look right. it i smell, i smell a rat. >> i will say he is in dire need of a good reference for the position that he's up for. i you are right that he has this man. >> you just can't just drop a name and say the chief of staff to bill barr during the first trump administration, and now he's up for a general counsel for department of defense. >> if i remember correctly, i don't think it makes a lot of sense. so i too would be fishing for every possible reference i could get. >> and i was going to say, that's not him. that's the other guy. let's talk about jack smith's jack smith's resignation. i was a little confused earlier because i thought there were two separate reports, but it's one big report, but two volumes, one on the january 6th investigation, the other on the classified documents case. we are waiting. well, actually, as early as tomorrow, if the 11th circuit

court of appeals does what it does, it's the january 6th report that we could see tomorrow. what exactly might we see? right. >> so if i can take 30s to just step back and about how we got here because jack smith just we just learned that he resigned. right? i was at doj when garland appointed smith to the position. he did. this is november 2022, jonathan. he did this just days after trump announced that he was going to run for president. and he did this to reassure the public that whatever prosecutorial decision was appropriate, that it was indisputably determined by facts and law, not politics. so fast forward to where we are right now. jack smith did his job. facts and politics. facts and law guided his decision. the reality is that he ran into raw politics every step of the way. and i'm talking about raw politics from conservatives close to donald trump, including vice president pence. god bless him. chief of staff mark meadows, who refused to voluntarily comply. when, when

asked to appear before a federal grand jury that took months and months and months of delay. but it was ultimately conservatives on this us supreme court. that's why donald trump is escaping criminal accountability here. in terms of this report itself, i think it's going to come out. but, you know, who knows what these courts. it's important for the historical record that it comes out. absolutely. but it's also important to rebut this narrative that doj was dragging its feet on investigating donald trump early on. we know there's recent reporting that disputes that. but it's also important to rebut the false narrative that this prosecution was political or politicized. donald trump and donald trump alone is the only one responsible for being prosecuted by this justice department. >> ancash your view on this, especially when anthony says, you know, people saying that doj dragged its feet on this. >> yeah. well, look, we

respectfully we have a difference of opinion on this. i have a different perspective. and there was reporting from another network just this week that effectively corroborated the conclusions of the new york times and the washington post that a year to two years was effectively wasted. >> you can't believe everything you read, brother. >> look, i've been hearing rebuttals like that for years now from representatives of the department. they always sound like that. where are the facts now? so let me tell you the facts. >> so let me tell you. >> doing during this period in 2021, when people like me and many other people were begging them to take notice of an extraordinary attempt to remain in power by president trump. >> so here we have someone who was there. >> let me tell you something. when i ran the office of public affairs at the justice department, if somebody came into my office as a reporter and said, anthony, we're going to report on x, y, z about a grand jury proceeding, i could not even i could not i couldn't even confirm the mere existence of a grand jury proceeding, much less who appeared in front of it. so what happens is that a narrative

gets sets in, and people don't always know what the truth is. and so that's why it's important for this final report to come out. and my hope is that in this report, it has a conclusive timeline of how aggressively this justice department was investigating trump and those around him from the very beginning. that should be the final word. >> i think that would be very useful, but just a narrative. i understand it's a narrative. it's a narrative that's been advanced by thorough investigative reporting by some of the nation's best investigative reporters and legal reporters at cnn, at the new york times and the washington post. and by the way, now that this administration is over, i'm quite confident we're going to be hearing more about what happened during that period. i know that the reporters in the field on this, including writing books, i do not think it is going to reflect well on the department's conduct during 2021 and 2022, but we shall see. >> well, this fight is going to continue going to continue, because that report is going to come out. and then these reports that, as you say, the reporting will come out, these books will come out, and then we'll have

you back. you can slug it out, i love it, slug it out again against anthony coley. thank you both very much for coming back to the saturday show. and up next, the wild, wild fires in los angeles and the strange disaster of this magnitude takes on local resources and first responders. former fema administrator craig fugate joins administrator craig fugate joins me after the break. you're if you're frustrated with occasional bloating or gas, your body's giving you signs. it's time to try align. align probiotic was specifically designed by gastroenterologists to help relieve your occasional bloating and gas. when you feel the signs, it's time to try align. (♪♪) (♪♪) voltaren... for long lasting arthritis pain relief. (♪♪)

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made containing the disaster blamed for at least 13 deaths, winds are expected to pick back up this weekend, complicating the relentless efforts of already exhausted first responders. >> most of them haven't had a day off. most of them haven't seen their families, but they're out there. i've run across many of my employees who have tears in their eyes because they're seeing the devastation and it's impacting them. it's impacting their families. not to mention, i've spoken to at least four of my employees who have lost their houses total losses. and that's and i'm getting more of that every day. so i just want to throw that out as we're talking about our preparedness and what we're doing and next steps. >> joining me now, craig fugate, former fema administrator. during all eight years of the obama administrator, administration administrator fugate, thank you very much for coming to the saturday show. can you? we just heard la county sheriff luna talk about the

impact this has been having on on his personnel. walk us through the magnitude of a disaster like this on local resources and first responders, physically and emotionally. >> well, i think the personnel there, what they were saying is not only are they responding, in many cases living in the community, they've actually suffered losses, or they have friends and families who have suffered losses. so this is not something that i think people understand that when you see those first responders, you forget they still have the connection to community. >> they're going through those losses. and this is why you bring in a lot of mutual aid. >> part of that is to be able to give them breaks, because this event is not going to be over until the drought ends and weather conditions improve. >> what are the specific challenges of a firestorm like this or firestorms like this? on a city like los angeles? >> in many cases, all you can do

is evacuate once the winds are blowing at hurricane force and you have all of the spotting from the embers. in many cases, once those homes become ignited, it's really not much you can do. so part of what they try to do is get on the edges of the fire, try to get to where the embers are going and extinguish them quickly. but quite honestly, when you have those winds and these drought conditions, once homes catch fire, they become blowtorches for all the homes around them. >> talk about the role you were at fema for eight years. talk about the role of fema in in a disaster like this right now. >> well, primarily. and the president has already approved 100% funding for all of these response costs, which will be extraordinary both for state and local officials. but more importantly, fema is going to start looking at what are going to be the uninsured impacts of this disaster. one of the huge issues we already know is going to be housing and providing rental assistance and housing assistance to people who have lost their homes in an area

where rental properties are already in short supply. >> you brought up something very. i'm scribbling down this note so i don't forget it. the uninsured, the uninsured, impacts of a disaster like this. we're going to be talking about this for a very long time. one more question for you as administrator of fema for eight years, you have seen and been a part of and responded to many disasters. have you seen anything like the disaster that is has befallen los angeles as we're seeing today? >> yeah, i've learned not to compare disasters, what communities go through or what communities go through. >> but for la, this will be a defining moment in their history because there will be all the time before these fires and then it will be la after these fires. >> craig fugate, former administrator of fema, thank you very much for coming to the saturday show. >> thanks for having me. >> and still to come, meta's about face on. fact checking

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community notes model where users will have to flag misinformation themselves. here's what president biden had to say about that change yesterday. >> it's just completely contrary to everything america is about. >> we want to tell the truth. and the idea that, you know, a billionaire can buy something and say, by the way, from this point on, we're not going to we're not going to fact check anything. and, you know, when you have millions of people reading, going online, reading this stuff, it is. anyway, i think it's i think it's really shameful. >> shameful is right. and as if that weren't bad enough, meta is also rolling back many of its rules against hate speech. according to a training document obtained by the intercept, meta teams will no longer take down posts attacking immigrants as, quote, trash or trans people as, quote, immoral. the new york

times reports. meta ceo mark zuckerberg decided to make the sweeping changes to the company's speech policies after meeting with donald trump in november. and according to the times, zuckerberg made a second visit to mar-a-lago just last night as status newsletter founder oliver darcy writes, quote, mark zuckerberg seems to have decided that kissing donald trump's ring wasn't enough. now he's slobbering all over it. joining me now is oliver darcy, media reporter and founder of the status newsletter. oliver, thank you very much for coming to the saturday show. so first, just talk about mark zuckerberg and what he's doing and why he's doing it. why now? >> yeah, i think we need to look at the context, right. >> and so before donald trump was elected, donald trump was threatening to throw mark zuckerberg in jail, right. >> he was threatening to use the

government to target his company, to target meta and to make life very difficult for mark zuckerberg. and i think now that donald trump's won office, you're clearly seeing this effort by zuckerberg to, you know, bend the knee to donald trump, hoping, i think, that donald trump will not retaliate against him and his company, because even if you go further back, donald trump was livid that mark zuckerberg and these other tech titans banned him from their platforms in the aftermath of the january 6th insurrection. and so, you know, there's a lot of bad blood there from a few years ago. mark zuckerberg now does not want to be regulated, does not want donald trump as his enemy. and so he is really doing everything in his power to suck up to donald trump. >> well, you know, oliver, there's bending the knee to donald trump and then there's drinking the kool-aid. listen to what mark zuckerberg said yesterday. he went on joe rogan's podcast yesterday. just

listen to this. >> biden when he was he gave some statement at some point, i don't know if it was a press conference or to some journalists where he basically was like, these guys are killing people and, and, and i don't know. then, like all these different agencies and branches of government basically just like started investigating and coming after our company. >> it was it was brutal. it was brutal. >> i again, there's bending the knee and then there's drinking. the drinking the kool-aid. my listening to that sounds like he he's going full maga. >> i think he does believe a lot of this stuff. i think meta and a lot of these other tech companies were frustrated with some of the pressure and scrutiny they faced, particularly during the pandemic. i think it's really rich, though, that mark zuckerberg is making biden sound like the tyrant, given that the guy he's sucking up to literally threatened to throw him in jail. i mean, one of the most plainly

un-american things, you know, that some future president could do at the time. and apparently zuckerberg doesn't take any issue with any of that. he goes after joe biden and sort of characterizes him as this autocrat when, again, he's sucking up to the wannabe autocrat. i don't know what to make of that, but i do think that he is legitimately, you know, he is frustrated or genuinely frustrated with. i think some of the, the scrutiny he faced from the news media and biden administration during the pandemic. >> now, the shift at meta isn't just coming from zuckerberg, it's coming from people within the organization. on tuesday, meta's new chief chief affairs officer, a former bush adviser, gave an interview to fox and friends. and he called the trump presidency, and i'm quoting, an opportunity to reset the balance in favor of free expression. and then in another instance, it appears as though meta is using

sort of the conservatives framing of free speech versus versus censorship, between the policy changes. and, and, you know, this meta officer saying this is an opportunity to reset the balance in favor of free expression. oliver, why is free expression always have to be balanced? it seems in favor of the conservative point of view. >> yeah, i mean, it's notable even that that the top policy advisor over at meta is this republican official, you know, before it was nick clegg, a prominent liberal uk politician. and nick clegg took a lot of you know, he criticized elon musk, for instance, for some of the misinformation on that platform. and then earlier, you know, a few in the past few weeks, zuckerberg pushed basically nick clegg out and appointed joel kaplan, who's this republican official, to lead policy. now they're doing hits on fox news. they're going on joe rogan. so

this is again, part of this concerted effort. but i do think what you're getting at, you do see that tension. there is this tension between free speech. i think everyone wants free speech, but also the ramifications that come with free speech. and if you're spreading misinformation, particularly during the pandemic, about life saving vaccines, you know, how do you if you're mark zuckerberg, how do you manage that? do you let your algorithms amplify that speech? do you let it run rampant when it has real world consequences? meta. in the past, you know, maybe 6 or 7 years, eight years, they have decided that that's dangerous. and they had ad systems in place to limit misinformation, to fact check important things. and now you're seeing with donald trump coming in office, that they're really throwing away a lot of the work they had done in this area. and it's obviously impossible to ignore the fact that donald trump hates fact checking. he wants to have these platforms allow him to get his lies across to millions of people without

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joining me now is congressman suhas subramanyam of virginia. congressman, welcome to the saturday show. >> thank you for having me. >> all right. so, as you know, we don't have a whole lot of time because we went long on some areas. but one thing i noticed, i couldn't find your committee assignments. what? do you know what your committee assignments are yet? >> you know, i couldn't find them either. actually, i asked for appropriations, which is a committee, because it's what i wanted. but you miss all the shots you don't take, right? but. right. i think we'll get them by the end of the week, is what i heard. >> all right, so you're going to keep me posted on that next. quick question. are you going to go to the inauguration? >> you know, it's i'm someone who believes in the peaceful transfer of power. and i believe in respecting election results. that didn't happen four years ago. but i want to respect what happened. and so that's why i plan to go. it's also a short commute for me because i'm in northern virginia. it's a 30 minute drive. but i do plan to go because i respect our democracy. >> right? that's right. you are in northern virginia. you are.

you're just across the river. your district is also home to many federal employees. now that you are a member of congress, how concerned are you that come march, your constituents might be out of there, might be shut out of their jobs because of a government shutdown? >> yeah, these are my constituents, my friends, my neighbors. our federal workforce is so important to running our government. and, you know, the doge project is about firing them to install trump people or moving federal agencies to red states to give them whatever. you know, i'm all for that fight. i'm going to make sure that that doesn't happen. it's about making government better and more efficient. that's something that i can be on board with. that's bipartisan stuff that i've worked on before. but, you know, there's going to be a brain drain in the federal government if we have wholesale firing of the federal workforce. >> you know, your your first vote in congress was for the lincoln riley act, which aims to crack down on illegal immigrants and detain migrants who are accused of theft related crimes,

including shoplifting. why did you vote for this bill? >> yeah. you know, we can be the party of both supporting undocumented immigrants, wanting them to have a path to citizenship, but also a party that respects law and order and wants to make sure that, you know, if we do give undocumented immigrants a path to citizenship, which is what i'd like to do, that there's also a vetting process for that and certainly committing a crime as part of that process. but, you know, we you know, it's a balance, right? and one of the things that frustrated me about that bill was that republicans didn't really do much of a process behind it, you know, and they haven't really been collaborative thus far. and so if they want to be better than the last congress, which was historically unproductive, they're going to have to work with us more. >> and one more question. real quickly, trump has said that he wants to eliminate birthright citizenship. you are the son of immigrants. how do you feel about that? what are your thoughts on that? real fast. >> you know, it's personal to me. obviously, my mother came

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