spoke up. marcus singleton: i try to live my life to make her proud of me. i'm never gonna give up, never gonna give up on anything that i feel is important. and-- josh mankiewicz: and that's her? marcus singleton: and that's her, you know, that's living for her. that's honoring her and honoring her name. craig melvin: that's all for this edition of dateline. i'm craig melvin. thank you for watching. >> good morning, and welcome to this sunday edition of morning joe weekend. here are some of the conversations you might have missed from this past week. >> let me ask you the question that a lot of people would ask, and people ask me. after i

talked to him earlier last year, how was he? how was he physically? how was he mentally? how how how was he as far as his attitude goes? >> so a 55 minute interview that's pretty long for a presidential interview. he was engaged and lively. he was loquacious. he answered every question i posed, some of them with reflection, some of them with some defensiveness. he, you know, he looks older than he did the last time i interviewed him. >> and when's the last time you interviewed him? >> the last time i interviewed him was before the 2020 election. okay. and so he's older now. his his voice sometimes dips. so it's very soft. and you have to really strain to, to hear him. but but he seemed mentally sharp. and we had a really far ranging conversation. >> so what what we heard gabe gutierrez talk about, he wasn't sure where he would be at 86 and

how he'd be. but what was the headline for you coming, coming out of this one hour conversation? >> well, i think that was the newsiest thing he said, because he had never before, to my knowledge, ever acknowledged that he there was a possibility he wouldn't be able to fulfill a four year term. also, his statement that he believes he would have won if he had stayed on the ticket. that's not the conventional wisdom about what would have happened if he stayed on the ticket. but and we've had source reports that that's how he felt. but i think this is the first time he ever said that out loud. >> so. what about regrets? because he he finds himself in an interesting position. we've been talking today and been talking this week about economic numbers and loose from the financial times and others, basically saying right now, economically, america is a colossus. comparatively, china is in retreat. the eu is

stagnant. britain is stagnant. but the united states just keeps growing. so here you have on one hand the data very strong. and history will probably judge him very well on that. and yet there's such a sour mood, not only in america but among democrats and not the exit that joe biden would have wanted. what regrets? did he have any regrets? >> well, i think his number one regret is that he's not going to be there for four more years. because i think he was not. i had the last print interview with george w bush. he was ready to get out of the oval office, not so much joe biden. he wishes he could stay there, but he named two things about this biggest disappointments ones. one was the difficulty in combating misinformation, including from donald trump. and the second thing he mentioned was their failure to act more quickly to get shovels in the ground from that huge infrastructure bill, because, he says, that would have demonstrated to americans the

value of that spending. >> so, so talk about his meeting with donald trump. obviously, these two attacked each other throughout the campaign in the harshest of terms. he even said that that donald trump was bad for democracy or a danger to democracy. something along those lines. but you say, actually, he said a few complimentary things about donald trump. >> joe biden told me that donald trump praised his economic record, said he was leaving a good record. now, that's quite at odds with what donald trump has been saying out loud through the campaign and since then. and the other thing he said, he said he urged trump to reconsider his determination to seek retribution against people like tony fauci and liz cheney, that that would be counterproductive for his own interests. >> and what was what was the reaction? >> he said that trump didn't say he would take his advice, but he didn't say he wouldn't. he said he mostly listened. mostly. >> mostly listened. and his

attitude as he leaves the office. is he embittered? is he? is he relieved? what's his mental state? >> you know, he was the most animated with two things. one, when he talked about his son hunter's battle against addiction and the success he's had for several years in staying sober. and the second thing was when he revealed that his first great grandchild is supposed to be born today by c-section, his granddaughter, naomi. i'm not sure. naomi is delighted that her grandfather released that news. >> let's talk about hunter biden. obviously, he's facing criticism not only from republicans and conservatives, but a lot of democrats have gotten out and criticized president biden for pardoning his son. did he have any reaction to that? >> he he was, i think, defensive about the pardon. i think he made a i asked him if he worried he was setting a precedent that a future president could abuse. he said, i hope not. but then he launched into a defense of why he decided to go back on the

promises made for four years not to pardon his son. he said he determined that it was a miscarriage of justice, not justice, that he was being unfairly targeted for political reasons and that that's why he, at the end of the day, decided to pardon him. >> i want to i want to dig a little deeper on on your hour with with joe biden. and i want to dig deeper because it it remains one of the just questions hanging over 2024, hanging over the biden candidacy, hanging over so much. i've said on the show several times that i went in and talked to talked to joe biden at length, basically went around the world. he talked at length in depth about china, about russia, about the middle east, about the west bank, about the settlements, about you name it. he took you around the world in a way that was very obvious over a long period of time. this is a

guy who'd been doing this for 40 years, and there aren't many people in washington that that understood the angles and the twists and turns with with joe biden. and afterwards i, i said that and i said it on the show and in real time. he was slower. and sometimes he'd forget a name. and then, you know, maybe macron was mitt or on and then he would correct himself. which, by the way, i think i've done this on the show. but there remains this this mystery. and i, i'm kind of dragging this out because if you go and you talk to people inside the biden white house. and i'll just say, you talked to jeff science. if you talk to people who have worked with joe biden, and i'll just say, john meacham, if you talk to people that have been with him for long periods of time,

they will still tell you to this day, despite what all the noise out there, they will still tell you. they don't know what happened in that june debate. they are still, you know, they're still frustrated by it and they're all accused of like some grand cover up when actually behind closed doors, they're still asking what the hell happened. so you were there for an hour. provide. there have been many journalists that have been with him for as long as you have. i don't know anybody that has on the record in a very long time. help us with this mystery. any insights? >> you know, the this is the seventh administration i've covered. it's the seventh president, sitting president. i've interviewed. and i've always thought presidents are well-served by taking the risks involved in doing interviews and news conferences, and they don't always go the way they want. and you take some flack. and reporters can be, as you know, pretty annoying. but number one, i think is part of your

responsibility as being president. and number two, it keeps you in touch with voters. and number three, it keeps your skills sharp, right? about about dealing with questions. and by explaining to americans why you're doing the things you're doing, projecting leadership. so i, i was i thought that joe biden, like previous presidents, would be well served by more contact with the press, not less, despite the risks that are involved with doing that. >> we'll have much more of morning joe weekend after the break. >> thank you. know. >> no, no, that is against the hoa bylaws. >> bylaws, bylaws. >> we're showing we're consumer cellular gets great coverage. >> you're making everything orange. >> i know right. >> we use the same towers as big wireless. >> so you get the same coverage. >> difference is our plan starts at just $20. >> no, that can't be true. >> but it is. >> well, i hope you're using primer. >> do we use a primer for >> do we use a primer for unlimited talk and

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much, that, you know, advisers were trying to keep keep him away from the press because he may say he may say mitron instead of macron. he may make a mistake here or there. he may have done what ronald reagan did in 85, 86, 87 and 88 and. but, susan, i think susan's exactly right. i think i think joe biden was ill served by being cloistered off because he may he may have said something that wasn't quite right, which, by the way, he has been doing since 1974. so i'm curious. i'm curious your your your theory of the case here. >> well, i think the question is, why did he why was he protected during the super bowl when he was given a wide open opportunity to speak to the entire world? right. a bigger audience than the debate when he could have talked to a softer interview, he could have handled a tough question or two, because most of it would be a roundup of

good news for him. why? and what did he say to his advisers when he said, you can't do the super bowl interview, which everybody does? they must have said something to him. oh, you can't risk it. as you said, you might say the wrong name. you might say mitron instead of macron. but, you know, it wouldn't be like jerry ford saying eastern europe is free of the soviet union. >> poland? yeah. >> poland is not like that. >> you know, the thing is, though, chris, by the time we got to the super bowl interview, which again, was my biggest argument, when people look back saying, oh, well, god, joe biden could have run and he could have won. i'm speaking now specifically of my wife. i said, they didn't even let him do the super bowl interview. that tells you where they thought he was. but that was at the end of three years of him being cloistered off. i just i want to i want to dig in a little deeper with what susan is saying here, because we've seen it time and time again when politicians are safe, right? when they want to have a primary with no opponents, and the other side has ten people scratching and scratching and clawing, it's always the person

that's in the battle in the arena, fighting all along that is sharpest. and i just think, again, i just wonder what you think is a guy who, like was i can look it up. >> for a number of years i've been a journalist and i was a politician working for politicians before. why didn't he ever do an interview with the new york times? ever. the entire time. >> why why why why why why why do you think that is? >> because of the intricate quality of their interview. they would question him. they'd be probably tougher on him than any journalist, i don't know, but they are still angry about it. that's the publisher of the new york times, is still angry about it. you you do interviews with the new york. it is the paper of record. and he didn't do it right. why not? right. why didn't he get prepped for it? he gets prepped for. and why no press conferences or candidate meetings? since the fall of last year? 23. what was that about? why no meetings? why no press conferences? there's a lot of patterns here that are not consistent with the performance

he had with susan. i mean, he had he's had a good day with you. he must have had a lot of bad days. and why was anita hill and the other people around him? why were they protecting him and they were protecting him and why? and he has to answer that question. they're going to answer the question because that question is not going to. >> so, so, so let me ask you this. you're obviously you live in washington. you've heard these conversations you all the time around dinner tables, you've heard concerns. you've got susan and myself, two people that have talked to him at length. and he was he was slower, but he certainly was sharp and he knew the policy issues. what are you hearing? were there i think were there good days? were there bad days? were there good times? were there bad times? and again i want to go go to the debate the night of the debate. anybody that says to you they saw that coming is lying. >> okay, here's what i saw coming. here's what i saw

coming. >> i don't see that coming in the 20 debate. >> elizabeth warren and bernie sanders were waving their hands constantly, waving their hands to the camera. let me talk, let me interview. let me do this. and all the time biden was sat there like like a like a cigar store indian or something. why was he standing there doing nothing? he never participated in those debates. maybe there's something about him and doesn't want to debate. i don't know what it is, but he didn't want to engage, ever. right. and everybody said, wait, aren't you? aren't you the one that jim clyburn is going to throw it to in south carolina? aren't you going to win this thing? >> what's your theory on that? >> i don't know, he doesn't want to engage. >> do you think he's incapable of engaging? i mean, that's 2020. he won. >> bernie thought he could do it. and bernie has had to jump to the. he's always quick, quick, quick with the tactics. and elizabeth certainly loves to debate why didn't he want a debate. and this is well before the debate of the disaster of this june. >> yeah, i can't answer. >> i think his own staff, people say, well, you didn't want to debate back then when you had a

couple people on the left you could have knocked off. why didn't you do it? why didn't you challenge them from the middle? why didn't you do it? you're going to be the nominee. and i think it's a great question. and i don't know if we, even the three of us, can figure this out about joe biden and his decision about not wanting to debate, but he didn't debate in june. >> well, this is this is a question for historians. and i would love to, you know, everybody thinks there's this grand conspiracy. was this grand conspiracy to hide him. you know, i did not see that there was a clearance process for talking to the press. right? >> there was a clearance process. it went through anita dunn. it's not nothing wrong with it, but everybody had to be cleared. you never heard from the cabinet during this administration? you never heard from people like that? i knew the kennedy cabinet better than this cabinet. they hid these people because they wanted to have him out there with the aviator glasses being the superstar. and they were. everybody else had to be quiet. the staff people in the white house never talked. this is interesting. the whole pattern of it was protect him. and i

understand there's a reason for that. and it's smart people that know better than we do about his ability to communicate. they know every day how good he is every day, not just when he's ready for an interview with you or susan, but every single day when they get on the phone and tony, tony blinken calls from moscow or somewhere and says, here's the latest on this, blah, blah, blah. well, maybe he was really good at that, at knowing putin and what putin is up to and figuring out, oh, i know what he's up to. and he has a smart, canny way of looking at that. but is he this, this good, that good on television. no, no, not that good on television. >> you said the smartest people knew better than everybody else. >> do the guys on the inside always know better. >> mike barnicle would would say that they were too smart for their own good and would. >> i'm not saying no, because barnicle gets on the phone with him and he talks to him. he has a cat because he trusts him and he has a casual conversation. he speaks well and you say, oh god, he's okay. why can't why don't they let him out? let him out,

right? because they know more. >> okay, i will tell mike that the next time i see him. this is this. we need to. historians are going to be, i think, going to be i think meacham's going to look at this again too, and see it from a wider angle. >> i mean, it's there's more there than meets the eye. >> i will tell you this. i, i again, i talked to john right before the debate as we're just putting this out and never saw it coming. i mean, he had talked to biden before the debate and five minutes into the debate, it's like what's going on? >> katzenberg didn't say it either. one of the big guys, katzenberg, those guys were pushing him. >> he didn't. with mika, we will continue this historic look back at 2024, i promise. like maybe a year from now, i think mika has had enough of this conversation. she still thinks he could have run and won, right? >> so i'm just going to wait.

for a conversation. >> so thank you, susan, for that. you give your you give your theory that you think he could have won. >> look, everyone knows how i feel. i made it very clear after the debate that i thought he should continue, but that was not what most people wanted. so. but joe biden is the kind of person who pulls himself up from rock bottom, and i think he could have stumbled into it, i really do. people responded very badly when he beat trump during that campaign to trump bullying him or going after his remaining son. people stood up for joe biden because they knew who he was. they know who he is. and i think an aging joe biden is very self-aware about that, and so is his team around him. and he's still ten times more qualified than what we've got. and he's qualified to manage the world stage. i think after that disastrous debate, he did a news

conference. remind me lamiere was at the nato summit a couple of weeks later. nato, nato summit was at eight at night. and yep, he got names wrong. yep. he had to correct himself a few times. but his knowledge of world affairs was in and clear and generated exactly what was the reality that this guy could manage the many different hotspots around the world, and people chose to, you know, filters instead of reality, which was his good president, who has historic presidency, who was able to beat donald trump. end of story. >> and we'll be right back with more morning joe weekend. >> live work, play, blink. >> relief work play. blink

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co-host of the raging moderates podcast. scott, so glad you're here to walk us through this this morning. remember, it was just four years ago, about right now that mark zuckerberg and facebook meta pulled donald trump's accounts down after the attack on the capitol on january 6th. now, you fast forward four years. donald trump threatening mark zuckerberg during the campaign. and it does look just in the last few days, last couple of weeks, like full capitulation, giving donald trump exactly what he wants. what do you see in this move? first off, good to be with you, willie. i see that all ceos in tech should stop using the term stakeholders and just go back to really the truth here and talk about shareholders. four years ago, the term was called moderation. now it's being called censorship. and with this decision, the ceo of meta, mark zuckerberg, it's kind of a twofer. he gets to placate, at least temporarily, the president who threatened to put him in jail for the rest of his life,

and he gets to save maybe upwards of $5 billion, which is how much they spend on their safety and security department, and in a price earnings ratio of 30. that's potentially $150 billion increase in market capitalization. mark zuckerberg owns 15% of the company. so you have what is effectively a get out of jail card, potentially from someone who appears to be an oligarch, threatening to put people in jail and add 15 to $20 billion to his net worth. the greatest trade of 2024. it wasn't bitcoin, it wasn't nvidia. it was elon musk investing a quarter of $1 billion directly into trump campaign. and then when trump won since the election, elon musk's worth has gone up $140 billion. so that's effectively, i believe, about a 56,000% return on investment. so we've gone full kleptocracy. we can never, in my opinion, wave our

finger at russia again when the president, the elected president, is taking public trust and public authority and weaponizing governments and doling out capital and market share and contracts, and threatening to use regulatory action against the competitors who don't give money to his inaugural committee or don't kind of bend the knee. we are effectively in a in a kleptocracy. i just, you know, this is russia is the role model. we are becoming more like russia every day. that's where we are. >> hey, scott, it's sam stein here. >> i looked at all these adjustments that zuckerberg was announcing. >> some of them i think were significant. some i think were a bit overblown. for instance, they already have offices in texas, but he made a big stink about moving the content moderation office to texas. and then i saws an ftc suit that is going to be considered in the next couple months that looks at

whether facebook, sorry, meta, is a monopoly on the social media network. and she said this is plainly mark zuckerberg trying to get a sweetheart deal from the ftc. do you see it that way? >> i think that's part of it. also, the move to texas not only pleases the conservative side of the aisle, which he's trying to do, and has made several actions to try and come across as more conservative. it's the ultimate quiet firing, because if you tell rather than a series of bad press releases or uncomfortable all hands meetings, if you just decide you're moving your safety and security team from california to texas, you're naturally going to lose probably 30 to 50% of the employees. so i you know, this is this is, again, nothing about placating the republican party and saving money and adding shareholder value. and what is so shocking, i mean, just from a personal standpoint, what's the point of having all this money if you aren't at some point going to show some fidelity as a 40 or a

50 something year old man that has the wealth of the gdp of a latin american nation to actually standing up and showing some fidelity to american values. bezos has got the yacht. tim cook, jensen huang at nvidia is worth more than intel or boeing. at what point when do the men show up here? when do the americans show up here? so this is not only incredibly shocking, but not disappointing from trump. but but but where's the leadership? where are the men that have have have such blessings and such prosperity from the rule of law and capitalism and competition. and we don't need we don't need more mergers and acquisitions. we need more breakups. one company owns two thirds of all social media globally. meta. one company has 93% of all share of all search google. and if you don't think every day we don't

pay higher prices. one company has 50% of all e-commerce amazon. the percentage, the percentage of revenues that have gone to amazon from third party retailers has gone up from 24 to 50%. look at the rents that parents are paying on facebook. when 24% of teen girls are now addicted to facebook, 6% of our teenagers are clinically addicted to drugs and alcohol, 24% are addicted to instagram and the number of teen girls self-harming has doubled. so if you want higher rents as a consumer, as a retailer and as a parent, that's where we're headed. >> you know, scott, there's so much, so much to discuss here. you and you. you've talked though for some time about how this this entire system is rigged and it is rigged against working americans and, and

rigged for billionaires. and you said also people like yourself who who made a lot of money in the markets, been very successful. but the tax system is and again, this was you know, you've been saying this for years now talk about how this is accelerating. you talked about the elon musk example. talk about how this is accelerating and how this and i say this as a small government conservative, this this is a threat to american capitalism. this is you know, we can look at a lot of different threats facing this country, but but moving towards this sort of oligarchy with all of these monopolies. and i've always told this story before, you know, during covid, somebody called me up and said, hey, you need to invest in the stock market. i go, yeah, i don't really do that. i don't i don't trust the stock market. i don't want he goes, just invest in the

monopolies. i go the monopolies. he goes, yeah. meta. you know, invest in meta in amazon and microsoft and he named 5 or 6 and they are they're like you just said they're monopolies. lina khan tried to break it up. and you you seriously would have thought that karl marx was was marching down, you know, wall street. and you combined that combination that you're talking about with the fact that billionaires are getting richer and richer by the second, while screaming socialism. and what what does that what does that say about where american capitalism is going over the next five, ten years? >> i think it comes down to a basic question what is america? and i would my kind of economic role model is peter drucker. i think an economy in america exists to create a robust middle class. >> coming up here, donald trump says he will be inheriting a bad

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disappointed to see the biden administration's attempt to block the reforms of the american people, and that they voted for president elect donald trump yesterday, continuing to suggest he's inheriting a poor economy when he takes office in two weeks. >> steve rattner has been looking into this. he says nothing could be further from the truth. and he joins us with charts. so, steve, let's break it down. we'll start with job growth. how is it? >> yeah. mika, the economy is incredibly strong, as you guys talked about a little bit yesterday. and in fact, trump is inheriting the opposite of what he says is inheriting jobs is a great place to start. you can see that we've been creating jobs consistently across both the prior trump administration as well as obama, of course, with the exception of covid. >> but if you exclude covid from the calculations under biden, we've been creating jobs at a rate of about 241,000 jobs per month. >> under trump, it was 180,000.

so not only are we creating a lot of jobs, we're creating at a faster rate than trump 1.0 did manufacturing. we all know manufacturing has been a tough spot for the united states. we had been losing manufacturing jobs for many, many years. it was exacerbated by the financial crisis. but under trump and but also under biden, we have created a lot of manufacturing jobs, 693,000 under biden, 425,000 under trump. and so manufacturing jobs are actually back to the highest level they've been at since the financial crisis. it's a tough job, but he's but biden has gotten a lot done on the manufacturing side and left trump with a pretty decent tailwind there. >> so, steve, as we move to your second chart, we heard president elect trump mention inflation. their goods are still too expensive for many americans, for most americans. but it is important to look at that number in relationship to how wages have risen as well lately. what does that look like? >> yeah, two points on that,

willie. first of all, he said inflation was raging. we have to recognize that inflation did rage. we had a really tough spot on inflation during covid for a whole series of reasons. but what maybe americans don't fully appreciate is how far down it's come. it's come all the way back down to between two and a half and 3%, depending upon what measure you you use. just above the federal reserve's target of 2%. not that far, actually, from where inflation was under trump, and food prices, grocery prices, which are obviously one of the most important items to everyday americans, which again, did soar in fairness, are now running at about a 1.6%, 1.7% inflation rate. so very, very low inflation in food. so inflation is not raging. so as inflation has come down, that's obviously been good for workers because their pay has been going up. but inflation had been taking a lot of that away from them. it's now the opposite in fact. so real wages, wages adjusted for inflation since covid ended under biden have been growing

1.5% a year. that's again a pretty good tailwind. it's an even better tailwind than trump created, where he had 1.3% annual growth in wages. so right now, the american worker is seeing their after inflation paychecks going up by a reasonably significant number. >> so inflation may have been decisive in the election. immigration also is very important. as you move to your third chart, steve, what is the border look like today? obviously it was a problem. there was a crisis at the border during the biden administration. but that has changed here in recent months. >> yeah. again, trump talks about the border being out of control. and in fairness, again, like inflation, we had a tough run at the border. but again, what i think most americans probably don't appreciate, and certainly trump does not seem to appreciate, is how far down they've come. this blue area are people who cross between ports of entry, between recognized entry points, the films you see of people going across the rio

grande river and things of that sort. the green are the people who present themselves at the ports of entry, and you can see again how far it's dropped. and in fact, the blue is all the way down here at about 47,000 a month. and that is a lower number of crossings than we had when trump left office, when it was running at about 70,000 per month. so the border is actually quite secure at the moment. and contrary to what trump says, it has come. it has come all the way. it has come all the way down. and then there's energy. another subject that he keeps saying, we've got to, you know, drill, baby, drill, and we've got to create more energy. i'm not sure he's aware that we're actually already doing this. and so you can see here, in fact, that our energy production has been hitting records. we brought down our use of coal. so that's a really good thing for the environment. we have at least temporarily replaced it with natural gas and crude oil record levels of production in our history. and then we have some nuclear and we have grown renewables and what also is

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>> i had been practicing a therapy for about ten years called internal family systems therapy, and it radically changed my life. and so i went on to get trained in the model. and then i knew that i had to do what i do best, which is demystify and translate. so i needed to take this and make it self-help. so with the blessing of the founder, doctor richard schwartz, i turned the model into a self-help book. and it is a four step practice that allows us to really witness the core beliefs that we've carried for our lifetime, the core beliefs that block us from everything that we desire, the stories that we have on loop. i'm not good enough. who am i to do this? we have to stop looping. >> make that a resolution. stop looping right now. >> but the way to stop looping is in these four steps. >> okay, gabby, i want to ask you because people look at you, you look like you have the perfect life. >> you figured it all out. >> you have ten successful books, but your own journey two decades ago, you had your own struggles, your own traumas that you had to deal with.

>> can you share how your journey shaped your outlook that your readers can learn from? >> yeah, well, you mentioned i wrote ten books. so along the way i've been writing these books for myself. i've had many moments of crisis along the way, as we all do. but from 25 i recovered from drug addiction and then carried on with all kinds of trauma, memories and things that we all experienced postpartum. now, perimenopause, the life experiences that we women have the joy of experiencing. but the beauty of all those moments along the way is that it's allowed me to speak with authentic truth about what it means to genuinely heal. and i have been my first student, and i have been my greatest teacher. so here we are. and then, you know, this is how i heal myself through these books. >> as you talk about healing, we talk about new year's. i know you've said in the past you don't really believe in new year's resolutions. what should we be doing instead? >> i think we have to ditch our resolutions, because a resolution really implies that

we have something to fix, or that there's something wrong with us. whereas a beautiful moment in this time right now where we have the willingness, it's a time to set an intention because an intention is empowering, it's exciting, it's creative. it's very different than being in a resolution like stop looping, i stop looping. i love how you say that we are our own inner healer. so what advice do you give to people who are trying to make a big change in their life? >> what's the first thing they should do? >> well, the first thing is to recognize the story that you have on the loop, and instead of checking out from that story, we hear that story inside, and then we want to go pick up a drink, or we want to go eat the food, or we want to go binge on youtube instead of or in my case, i want to listen to mika, i do, i do want to avoid we yes, we want to. we want to do something over the feeling. yeah. instead of overeating or checking out. my guidance is to check in. and so that first step is to focus your attention inward and then be curious about those feelings and beliefs. this is the second step of this book.

be curious about those feelings and beliefs. what do i know about it? where do i feel it in my body? how long has it been around? and then compassionately connect and ask the part of yourself, what do you need? when was the last time you asked yourself, what do i need? >> i well, you got me there. that is a question. yeah. >> now, another topic that you tackle in the book is self-forgiveness, which i think is a concept that a lot of women really struggle with. so can you talk about how you grappled with this concept and what you've most learned about how to forgive yourself? >> well, this may this might rock you guys right now, but here we go. so those beliefs that you have on repeat the loop, what if you considered those belief systems protection mechanisms? what if you saw all of the perfectionism or the i'm not good enough, or i have to get it done, or if i'm not going to happen, those are actually forms of protection. because when we were young, we had these extreme moments that we've been protecting ourselves ever since. and so these behaviors and

patterns that we judge ourselves for, that we often want to forgive ourselves for the moment that you see them as a protection mechanism, instead of seeing them as a fault. that opens your heart to compassion and self-forgiveness. so give yourself a chance to say, okay, all these patterns and behaviors are actually just these little parts of me that are trying to protect me. >> well, and how can you be compassionate to others if you can't be to yourself? exactly. i will say i struggled with a lot of guilt for many years, and it was an arianna huffington. thank you arianna, i love her instagram post that just said don't trip over what's behind you. and i was like, oh, i needed to do was that. but it's really important. you kind of can't move forward. you know, if you're sitting there, you know, coming down hard on yourself about things that have happened when you were doing your best at all times, you really are. you have to believe that in yourself. but for some reason, i think women and this is why this is a perfect know your value

conversation. i think we're harder on ourselves and we don't get past things that have happened in our life that we have done, choices that we have made in our lives as easily as men do. do you agree with that? >> we are our biggest critics. we are our biggest. >> it's painful. >> it's really painful. and i think that some of that's conditioning, some of that's societal. it's but it's i think it's global conditioning. but i think that coming together in conversations like this is actually part of our collective commitment to caring for ourselves more. and i think there's a huge i mean, we saw demi talking about it in her little speech. that speech so beautiful. what did she say? put down the put down the measuring stick. yeah, put down that measuring stick. >> all right. the new book is entitled self-help. this is your chance to change your life. it's out now. gabrielle bernstein, thank you so much. welcome to the know your value community and this team. huma abedin, megan mcgrath, thank you both as well. it's always great to hang out with the team.

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implemented a safety protocol intended to prevent its equipment from igniting blazes. this is according to the wall street journal. the los angeles department of water and power has not developed a plan to proactively shut off parts of its system during windstorms to reduce the risk of sparks from its power lines, regulatory filings show. this. other california utilities do so periodically when fire risk is high. the journal continues, as dangerous winds threaten to buffet los angeles, the los angeles department of water and power system remained energized until the windstorm caused significant damage and knocked out power for tens of thousands of customers. the paper notes that the causes of the wildfires remain under investigation, including whether power lines played any role. a spokesman for the department told the journal it has other safety measures in place. power lines in california have ignited some of the nation's most deadly and

destructive fires. then there's water. meanwhile, the water systems the firefighters rely upon are antiquated and unreliable. the new york times reporting this morning that officials say storage tanks that hold water for high elevation areas, and the pumping systems that feed them cannot keep pace with the demand. that was in part because those who designed the system did not account for the stunning speeds at which multiple fires would race through the los angeles area. this week we are looking at a situation that is just completely not part of any domestic water system design, said marty adams, a former general manager and chief engineer at the los angeles department of water and power, which is responsible for delivering water to nearly 4 million residents of los angeles. if this is going to be a norm, there's going to have to be some new thinking about how systems are designed, he said. los angeles city council member tracy park tells the times there

are environmental catastrophes waiting to happen everywhere with our water mains, she said, adding that some were a century old. >> and again, i mean, frank, people are saying, well, climate change is causing catastrophes the likes of which we've never seen. okay. yes. yeah. part of that is true. the other part of it is that 50 years ago, let's just take the state of florida. a lot of people were not building in the flood zones that they're building right now. they weren't building homes on top of the gulf of america or the what do we call the atlantic ocean now, the, you know, trump time, whatever it's called. but people weren't building where they're in flood zones and they are now. and here's a great quote from the times from this greg pierce talking about it, saying the

same thing. these water systems weren't designed for urban fires are were designed for urban fires, not fast moving fires. he goes on to say, a more fundamental question is whether it's a good idea to rebuild neighborhoods adjacent to wild lands, an issue that has been broadly debated across the west is climate change increases the frequency and intensity of fires on what is known as the wildland urban interface. again, the same debate we had after katrina about ward nine. yeah. why are you why are you building. yeah. in in an area that is under sea level. and the same question we're having in florida where insurance companies are going, no, we're out of here. right? we're not going to insure your homes anymore. we've gone straight to the what the economists call the moral hazard problem. and, well, that's what i was trying to do. i noticed that it was a movie. >> i saw it building in your

head when you walked on the set this morning. i said, joe, was it a moral hazard move? yes. yeah, but really, you have you have a city like boy, that takes me back to 2008. >> okay, you you have it. >> you have a city like los angeles that is fundamentally unaffordable to a large part of its population. it has a housing crisis. that's why it also has part of the reason why it has the prevalence of so many homeless there. right. and so you have it just expands outward. it's always expanded outward. that's kind of the nature of a place like los angeles and, and, and wild lands into wild lands. and when people buy property there, they're not thinking, i'm about to get incinerated. they're thinking, i've found a place where i can actually have a backyard, and i can actually afford to live there based on. and so i think just as we think about this more globally, like as you're going with it, it's, you know, we've invested so much in climate prevention, climate, the prevention of climate change. but we've arrived at a place where we're in a new chapter in

the history of this problem, which is that we also need to invest significantly in mitigation. and it can't just be on local and state governments to deal with this, because when the crises smack these places, they're of such a scale that, you know, it taxes their ability to think it taxes their ability to spend sufficiently. it taxes clearly the actual manpower and resources that they have on hand. >> the immediate problem. >> yeah, yeah. and, you know, it's very interesting, jackie, that a lot of people are saying, well, republicans, donald trump, they've always trashed california. they're not going to step in. now, not to not to be crass and talk about politics, but since that's going to determine how much support california gets, we need to talk about politics. and the fact is, changes in in california's voting patterns over the last 2 to 4 years are in large part why

republicans control the house of representatives. so i'm not so sure they can have a hands off approach to california. you look at the gains republicans have made in california and new york. that changes the outlook. it's not ford to new york city drop dead. i suspect you're going to have republicans saying we need to go in and help. >> i think that you're absolutely right. and, you know, right now it's not just the elon musks and donald trumps of the world that are criticizing the emergency preparedness or lack thereof in the city, and especially the palisades is sort of ripe for this, this kind of conversation, because the former mayoral candidate who lost to karen bass, is one of the most prominent property developers in the area. caruso ville has basically been torched to the ground. rick caruso's luxury development in palisades village, in an area that really is so densely populated, it's unfathomable that the damage

that that's happened right now. >> but you're seeing, you know, hollywood stars, activists, pod save america, host the likes asking california and los angeles and specifically one of the most progressive cities in the country to really rethink a lot of the policies that they've implemented and a lot of the dysfunction that that people have been criticizing with regards to homelessness and other less urgent situations. >> and to try to course correct. but i do think at the end of the day, this is a real lesson in overdevelopment in places that that should not be overturned. >> and then the question is what to do about that morning joe to do about that morning joe weekend watch your step!k. that's why visionworks makes it simple to schedule an eye exam that works for you. even if you have a big trip to plan around. thanks! i mean, i can see you right now if that's...convenient.

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hope? ego or generosity? >> now let's bring in msnbc political analyst alan dardis. he's also the publisher of the newsletter the ink, available on substack. here is, of course, the front of the washington post talking about a farewell to the 39th president. you see the presidents and first lady saying farewell there. and it's very interesting. and you, you, you have all these interpretations of what was going on in the first couple of rows, and most people focusing on the bush chest thump as he walked past, but also barack obama and donald trump talking for some time. the question, though, is as we move past the trying to guess what people were saying or thinking

is the funeral and the legacy of this 100 year old man who had one person after another come up and talk about the greatness of the man. and as mika said, and i think it's so important sometimes you may go to funerals or services where people say something. yeah, well, maybe they may think they're good, but we don't. we don't have to oversell it. there was no overselling yesterday. and in fact, i said earlier, one of my favorite parts was when andrew young talked about, actually jimmy carter, the complicated politician early on who had to figure out a way to be friends, to not only civil rights leaders but segregationists as he was moving forward trying to create a new south. >> yeah. you know, i was i was born in the year that he stepped down from office. so hearing all those testimonies yesterday was hearing about a time i didn't live through or experience

firsthand. and it felt like a biopsy of another america. >> by the way, you're way too young to be on this show or to have this gray hair. i just i had just gotten my aarp card the year he stepped down. but go ahead, adam. >> it's okay. my hair. >> my hair is 85 years old. i'm. >> but your hair is perfect. as warren zevon would say. >> i average out to about 63 between me and my hair. so, you know, it felt like just a biopsy of another america. that's not. that's not contemporary. you know, the stories of gerald ford and carter and the friendship that developed after political competition again, didn't feel like a ginned up story. it felt like a real story of a kind of real relationship that across political difference that feels impossible. now, just the notion even of how the carters lived after the presidency, you know,

it is now normal that all of our presidents sort of become multi gazillionaires doing, you know, deals around the world and, you know, they have the right to do that. but this was a very different kind of life, a kind of life. we don't really see people living anymore. we all see these videos of president carter going down the aisle of airplanes back to his seat in 39 e of a of an airplane and shaking everybody's hand. it just was this. it was watching this kind of washington power establishment in the room. and this person who is completely different from that power establishment, who in many ways lived a life on on very different values. and, and i will say also just the theater of, of the former presidents with president trump. i mean, as always, comedy gets at something very true. there was something strange. i'm with mika. i think civility is important. kindness is important. and there was something strange about seeing

multiple leaders who have warned that this guy is dictatorship on the horizon. this guy is fascism on the horizon. this guy is the end of the american experiment. and now, just because of the rituals of a funeral, it's normalized by default. we're just sitting there and, well, i guess we're just, you know, i guess we're just sitting and making small talk with the guy who we have said is going to end everything. it's very strange. i'm not sure what the alternative is, but it was a surreal moment for that and other reasons. >> well, and it by the way, you're not just sitting talking to the guy that said all of those things during the campaign. you're sitting there talking to a guy who 77, 78 million americans said they wanted to be their next president. he is the representative of the american people that voted for him. so that's that's who you're sitting next to. and when barack obama

was talking to donald trump and being civil and they were going back and forth, you know, that's again, andrew young's story sort of cuts to that. you don't just talk to people with whom you agree, and you don't just talk to people with whom you find morally aligned with you, you, you, you, you talk to people who you have gotten into terrible political fights with. and that's what ford and carter was about. yes, i know it's not the same thing, blah blah blah, but that is the message that that that i think barack obama was sending yesterday, i think. >> i said something just a table of barack obama because i worked for him for ten years. >> this is the thing. >> i think watching that, which i think was uncomfortable for some people to watch, understandably, because it's complicated to know about him. he has been very quiet since the election, purposefully. i don't

expect him to say much in this moment, but i do think that if there is a moment where he thinks it warrants him speaking out, he will do it. and i know this because we talked about this a lot when i was working for him as communications director before trump was elected the first time. >> and this is a struggle every president has. >> right? >> a strange struggle. >> do i inject? >> do i remove myself from public life or do i wait for the moment? and it really has not been until trump where that has been questioned, or an issue where presidents need to. former presidents need to think about that. now. george w bush didn't endorse during the presidential campaign. >> he set it out. >> he made clear what his views were in the in the funeral yesterday when he walked by trump. i'm not sure to bannon's point what the right approach is, but i would just say yes, it was strange. but also, i think trump isn't president yet. i think in some ways, behaving like that at a funeral for a former president is the right thing. let's not make it about them. but it doesn't mean that obama and others aren't going to speak out.

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in 2008. i didn't understand them. and i said, well, there must be people smarter than me. i don't ended up there weren't on on that issue that it wrecked the economy, destroyed the world economy for a while. i keep obsessing over three bubbles that we may have won the stock market bubble. yep. two the crypto bubble where fart coin is worth 800 million just because. come on. i mean, think of think of industries. >> no, it's real, i can't that's what it's called. >> i can't take it. but but but but that's i wish that were the only example right of this tulip craze that, that, that we're dealing with here. but the third and the one that's concerned me the most is the fiscal bubble. we got a $36 trillion debt. our our economy has been fueled by

debt from the federal government since 2007. it just has. you can look at the numbers and our gdp per ratio to national debt for worse than europe, great britain, any other country. and now we hear about this massive bill that mike johnson is talking about doing in in april, may or june where they're going to add $10 trillion to the national debt. then when these bubbles explode, andrew, there is going to be no safe refuge, right? oh, there's no question. i mean, look, i remember being on this broadcast with you in 2008 and we talked about too big to fail. and that was a phrase that we used in the context of banks. that's your book. and now we're talking about municipalities and cities and states and countries like our own. >> and there will be a time where you think that you would have to pay the piper. >> and the question is, just

when this bill that you're referring to, maybe it should be called the maga bill, which will be everything all in. this was what was reported in axios just yesterday, which is rather than go piecemeal rather than do immigration, do taxes, do this, do that, do it all at once. >> although showing donald trump's lack of commitment to any of this, he literally just gave a radio interview with hugh hewitt saying he's fine with doing it in stages as well. so i think trump there's just now. yeah, just just now he has said that he might prefer one option, but moments later said it doesn't really matter to me how we do it. i just want to get it all done. so okay, but that's going to be hard to wrangle those on the hill to do this. if there's no firm leadership from the president. i would also say, by the way, going back, joe, to the washington post piece, you were referring to this idea that there were advisers talking about, could you just carve out tariffs on, you know, items that are dedicated to national security or other things, even though the president or president elect, i should say, is taking to truth social saying that it's not true, that he's thinking about across the board tariffs. >> to the extent you believe

that this is a negotiating ploy which everybody has always believed you, you have to you have to start there. you have to start and say, i'm doing everything right, and then you have to go down to something else you can't start at. i'm just doing national security things because then you can't get what you want from these other countries if in fact, that's what he's trying to do. yeah. i mean, andrea, everything, everything. andrew is a negotiating ploy. we're with him. so he starts he takes a hard line on tariffs. he takes a hard line on immigration. he takes a hard line. and i say hard line on immigration because they know it is impossible for them to do what was promised in the campaign. so, you know, people close to him say that they're going to try to roll it back to violent, violent offenders and focusing there. but, but, but i want to go back to this. bill. and jonathan just brought up him talking about two different ways we already saw, you know, they're they're going to be so many different polls here. the senate was already pushing back against mike

johnson's plan to do it all in one piece. so the senate had already said, sorry, we're not going along with that. so now we have a pullback. so you've got illegal you've got illegal immigration and the border security part of it, which i think would probably pass pretty comfortably standalone. but again i want to go back over to the part of the bill that is going to cost $10 trillion more, add $10 trillion to our national debt and go back to that house vote on the continuing resolution where elon musk was saying he was going to destroy any member of congress. basically that voted for it. 38 republicans said, go ahead, make my day. i didn't come here to add to the debt. i mean, there are a lot of there's going to be so much push and pull, and not just from conservative fiscal hawks, but but also wall street,

right? i mean, they've got to be concerned about, i think, $10 trillion. we've talked about it a lot. >> i actually think that wall street could be, in a way, a decider at the table, because if in fact, a bill like that were to move ahead $10 trillion, i actually think that that it's very possible that the bond market would say, enough, we can't do this. >> we can't. we're not going to be buying u.s. bonds at these prices. it's going to cost more, which would therefore mean inflation for everybody. and the question is, does that change the dynamic? i mean, there's the freedom caucus, there's wall street, right? i don't know. there's going to be democrats in the mix of all this, a lot of moving parts. >> cnbc's andrew ross sorkin, always good to see you when morning joe weekend returns. >> the head of the mta joins us with an update on the rollout of new york city's controversial new congestion pricing plan. new congestion pricing plan. stay with us for that. here's to getting better with age. here's to beating these two every thursday.

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how did it go the first day? first of all, there are those who are complaining about this very concerned about this, calling it a scam. we'll get to that. you're not the guy to blame, per se, but you're here to talk. let's blame him, all right? let's blame him. john, you to the rescue. this was a collective decision. yeah. having said that, how did the first day go? did it? did you see a difference? >> listen, it's too early to draw any, you know, long term conclusions. >> but yesterday was a light day. everybody was noticing that traffic was light. but it was also the day after the holiday season and there was snow forecast. so we're not drawing any premature conclusions. but the bigger the bigger picture is, you know, new york has a problem. it's called congestion. it's you know, it's killing our economy. the business community is hugely in support of this because, you know, spending so much time in traffic for trucks and plumbers and, and service professionals is literally killing our economy billions a year. and, you know, ambulances

can't get to hospitals. and, you know, as a as a society, we decided to do something about it. that's what congestion pricing is meant to do. >> so how do you explain this to someone? i agree with you. having lived in new york for 20 years, car is the last resort. it's the worst way to get around new york city. get on the subway walk if you can. but there are people who don't always have that luxury. if you're commuting in from new jersey for work or something like that, they say, i'm already paying, what, 16 bucks at the tunnel or the bridge right now. you're going to hit me with this again. what do you say to those commuters? >> listen, i say, what i, what i say to them is your time is worth a lot. if we can make traffic better, that you spend less time wasting traffic, that's better for you. that has real value. and we're seeing it again and again with in the coverage just yesterday, people coming off the bridges and tunnels saying, hey, if traffic's always this good, this is worth it. we'll have to see whether we're as successful as we want to be. but the other thing i would say is this is historic. we're the first city in the country to deal with

this. i'm getting calls from people all over the country. there's gridlock in all kinds of american cities. we have the great mass transit system that 90% of our commuters take. so we have an option. and using the, the proceeds from this to invest in even better mass transit makes perfect sense. that's why we're doing it. >> so to that point that you just raised, what do you say to people who who you've indicated a lot of this money, $9 a whack, whatever it is, back and forth, all the money that you raise from this, you claim that it's going to go to improve the transportation system, basically the subway system in new york city, all of its boroughs. >> and people say, what improvements, when are they going to occur? what are these improvements cost now? >> yeah. listen, there's we have a system. remember we have 75,000 employees. we carry between 6 and 7 million people a day. you know, we have on the subways alone, 4.5 million

people a day, more than the population of the city of los angeles. yet it costs a lot to run it. but the investments that are being made in new train cars, in electric busses. so we have cleaner air these and making all of the whole old subway system truly ada accessible. so parents with strollers can use it. so people with disabilities, or just older people who have difficulty getting up and down stairs can use it. those are investments that are underway, and we're able to accelerate them even more with congestion pricing proceeds. >> so republican congressman mike lawler of new york had some pretty harsh words for the congestion pricing and especially your leadership on it. he was on morning joe yesterday, so we want to play a little bit of what he had to say. >> oh goody. >> yeah. so you can respond. here it is. >> well, first new york got $100 billion from the bipartisan infrastructure bill. >> and the state, frankly, has done a horrible job of releasing

those funds for infrastructure improvements, not just in new york city, but across the state. >> secondarily, the mta, which is the worst run authority in america. >> and as i fundamentally believe, needs an enema. the fact is, the mta loses $700 million a year from people who refuse to pay to ride the subway. >> they jumped the turnstile. they refused to pay. >> there's a lot that new york can do in a $239 billion budget, up 61 billion over four years. >> to actually prioritize the mta. >> in addition, the mta needs a full audit, and the mta needs to have a complete overhaul, starting with removal of all of its management. >> jon lieber janno lieber needs to go. >> the fact that this guy was celebrating the start of congestion pricing on top of a cherry picker the other day, as

if, you know, for some bizarre reason, he thought as an unelected bureaucrat, that he should be celebrating fleecing hardworking new yorkers of their money. >> it's bizarre. >> all right, a lot there. your response? he also called the congestion pricing a scam on on new yorkers. >> listen, you know, this is this is grievance politics, not substance politics. i would say, you know, 80% of lawler's constituents actually ride mass transit to get 1% of his constituents actually commute to the central business district and pay the toll. this is a great grievance politics issue. and but if he were interested in substance, i went to that guy and i said, can you help us? you're in the majority, sir. can you help us get more money out of congress? all his words about it new york gets is 45% of the mass transit riders in the

united states. we get 17% of the federal money. i said, congressman, you're in the majority. can you help us? never heard from him again. historically, this, i mean, and this table reflects it. historically, centrists in new york went to work in washington, democrat or republican, and fought for mass transit to get to improve that payback for that new york gets shorted on. al d'amato was the head of the committee that oversaw senate, the senate committee that oversaw money for mass transit. and he fought for the mta. the guys who went to washington in the majority the last time around actually have done nothing. >> up next, a conversation about the long history of the 20th century and how authoritarian powers are challenging the post-world war ii order. morning joe weekend. we'll be right back with that. >> safelite repair. >> perfecting your swing is hard. >> nice shot. dad. oh, say,

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>> to peace. understood. >> traditionally, that is to say, to the avoidance of what transpired in the course of the 20th century, and eurasia is also absolutely essential as a point of departure if there is going to be effective global cooperation for some accommodation, some degree of balance on the eurasian continent is essential. >> that's my dad, former national security advisor for president jimmy carter, zbigniew brzezinski. more than 12 years ago, talking about the importance of eurasia to the modern international order. the landmass of continental europe and asia, and its place in recent history is the subject of the new book entitled the eurasian century hot wars, cold wars and the making of the modern world, and its author, hal brands, joins us now. he is the henry kissinger distinguished professor at the

johns hopkins university school of advanced international studies, and a columnist for bloomberg opinion. and, hal, it's great to have you back on the show. i think we dive right into the premise of your book. if you could tell us what defined the eurasian century. >> well, doctor brzezinski had it just right in the sense that eurasia has really been the strategic center of the world. >> and so if you have peace and stability in eurasia, you'll have a pretty good international environment. >> and if you have instability and violence in eurasia, you're going to have a lot of trouble. >> and the last 120 years or so have really been defined by these big epic clashes over eurasia and the waters around it. and so during world war one, world war two and the cold war, you had autocratic powers or autocratic alliances that tried to dominate eurasia or big parts of it, and they were pushed back against by coalitions led by britain and then the united states. and unfortunately, we're getting another version of that

today, where you have an autocratic entente of russia, china and north korea and iran that are disrupting stability all around eurasia at the same time. >> and you talked about we were discussing last hour, basically the rise of america and sort of the american colossus, whether you're talking about at the turn of the 19th into the 20th century or whether you're talking about where it is right now, you actually say the chaos, the unmitigated suffering, the wars across eurasia in the 20th century is what ultimately led to america's rise. >> that's right. >> crises can be opportunities for creation. and what we learned during the 20th century was that only the united states had the power to bring some degree of stability and order to the eurasian landmass. and that's exactly what the united states tried to do after world war two, by creating alliances, by creating the open international economy that it has led for the past 80 years,

and otherwise, trying to impose a degree of order on international affairs right. >> and. >> so, i mean, the alliance of the aggrieved or the axis of upheaval, whatever you will you call it, is a new and rapidly sort of developing de facto alliance against, against the west. you also have a new administration, trump, coming in where it's de facto co-president, elon musk is actively trying to undermine or even overthrow allied governments in europe, germany. he's supporting the far right alliance for deutschland in britain. he wants keir starmer, he wants new elections. america's power, as you say in your book, i know lays out, is based on alliances. how is this going to work out? >> i think there's a real double edged nature to the sort of policy and the sort of nationalism that donald trump and some of the people around him espouse. on the one hand, it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world for the us to be a little bit more sharp elbowed right now, just just given the

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now or visit send info kit. >> com physicians mutual. >> physicians mutual. what, are you going to settle down? well, you have somebody for me? >> yes. jesus. at least he was a single man. >> do you want to come to the flat on sunday? the girls would like to see you. >> you know, i've got health issues. i might spend the day lying in bed. >> she makes everything about her. she's rude man. i've been harassed by people all day. >> i'm sick to death of it. >> i just want it to all stop. >> that was a look at the new movie titled hard truths, written and directed by academy award nominated filmmaker mike leigh. the film follows pansy, a brutally honest and deeply

complicated mother, wife and sister who must confront her own struggles to find happiness and connect with her loved ones. joining us now, the star of hard truths, who plays pansy, academy award winning academy award and golden globe nominated actress marianne jean-baptiste. the new york times has put her on its oscar nominee short list this year in the category of best actress. marianne, thank you so much for being here this morning. your performance is getting a lot of acclaim and attention. let's start with tell us a little bit more about the film and what drew you to it. >> well, basically what drew me to the film was working again with mike leigh. he works in a really unique way. there is no script. you don't know what you're going to be doing with him, but you know that you're going to be on a journey of creativity, collaboration, and there's going to be something very interesting along the way. and so the film follows pansy deacon, who is a woman that's in

a lot of pain and struggling to sort of live in the world. she's got a lot of fear and anxiety. >> so talk to us about a little more about your character and those connections that she clearly struggles to make with, with with her family. is that something that you've seen, whether it's your own life or loved ones or friends that you brought to your performance? >> well, i think there are pansies everywhere. you know, everybody has to deal with a difficult relative. and i think it's just highlighting that we yearn. all of us yearn for connection. all of us yearn to sort of belong in a in a meaningful and deep way. and this is a woman who needs those things but just doesn't know how to go about getting them. >> so there's an authenticity here, in part, you and you and the director improvised a lot of the dialog. is that right? talk to us about that process. >> oh yeah. >> all of the dialog is

improvised. but by the time we come to shooting it, it's all scripted. we know exactly what we're going to say. yet the yet the actors never, ever see a script. but yes. >> so is that how does that play out? is that particularly rewarding or challenging or all of the above? >> it's all of the above. it's really rewarding because you've built this character and you kind of know, i mean, i know pansy as well as i know myself, you know, because you do it in so much detail. so by the time it comes to us improvising, you know exactly what she would say in any given situation. >> so let's take a look at a clip from the film. one of those situations where pansy has a tense dinner with her husband and son. >> don't go in or out of a supermarket without being harassed by those grinning, cheerful charity workers begging you for money for their stupid causes. why they got to skin their teeth like that cheerful, grinning people can't stand them

loitering out there demanding your hard earned cash. it's a scam. they're scamming people. can't trust them. they want your phone number, your email. i asked one of them. i said, why do you want my postcode? i might as well just give you my front door key so you can break into my house for my things and kill my only child. >> tell us more about that scene. the movie we should note is set in contemporary in london. tell us more about that scene and the relationships you established with the rest of the cast. who of course, your family here. >> yeah. i mean, this scene is a typical sort of dinner for the deacon family, with pansy coming home and ranting about her day, be it going to the dry cleaners or the dentist or doctor or the supermarket. and her husband and

son have become accustomed to just letting her rant, sitting there quietly, quietly, with the clink of the silverware as they as they eat. >> well, it's an extraordinary performance in the new movie. hard truths will be in theaters nationwide starting this friday. academy award and golden globe nominated actress marianne jean-baptiste. marianne, congratulations on this and thank you so much for joining us. thank you and best of luck in the next few months. and thanks for being with us this weekend. we're back tomorrow morning at 6 a.m. eastern for a brand new week of morning joe. until then, enjoy your sunday. >> good morning. >> it is sunday, january 12th. i'm alicia menendez with symone sanders townsend and michael steele. >> breaking overnight. firefighters are beginning to make real progress with the fires around los angeles, but weather conditions are threatening major