just letting her rant, sitting there quietly, quietly, with the clink of the silverware as they as they eat. >> well, it's an extraordinary performance in the new movie. hard truths will be in theaters nationwide starting this friday. academy award and golden globe nominated actress marianne jean-baptiste. marianne, congratulations on this and thank you so much for joining us. thank you and best of luck in the next few months. and thanks for being with us this weekend. we're back tomorrow morning at 6 a.m. eastern for a brand new week of morning joe. until then, enjoy your sunday. >> good morning. >> it is sunday, january 12th. i'm alicia menendez with symone sanders townsend and michael steele. >> breaking overnight. firefighters are beginning to make real progress with the fires around los angeles, but weather conditions are threatening major setbacks. also

ahead, donald trump's controversial cabinet picks are set to go before the u.s. senate. the questions we want answered from the likes of pete hegseth and tulsi gabbard, and marianne williamson, joins the table to discuss her bid for dnc chair. so grab your coffee, settle in, and welcome to the weekend. >> we begin today with that breaking news overnight. >> officials confirmed the death toll from the fires burning near los angeles has risen to at least 16. firefighters are working to contain five wildfires near the city. >> the largest wildfire, the palisades fire, is now spreading east into the brentwood and encino neighborhoods. >> to make matters worse, the santa ana winds are expected to strengthen in the coming days. as for the destruction, a couple who escaped the palisades fire returned home yesterday to find it reduced to rubble. it was

like our dream come true that we worked so hard to get here. and now to see it this way. >> i never thought i would live through something like this. >> they are not alone. la officials say the wildfires have destroyed more than 12,000 homes, schools, churches and other buildings. joining us now live from the pacific palisades is nbc news correspondent dana griffin. >> dana, what's the latest? >> good morning to you. >> yeah. what's the latest? no major flare ups over. >> oh, sorry, guys. >> we had a little issue with the with the audio, so luckily no major flare ups overnight. >> but the area is really smoky. there's actually a public health emergency issued. that's why they're asking people to wear either n95 or these p100

respirators like we are. you can see the national guard behind us guarding the fire zone, keeping people out. the atf is now issuing an investigation into the cause of the palisades fire that destroyed, as you mentioned, thousands, tens of thousands of homes, or at least 10,000 homes and displaced hundreds of thousands of people. now, one issue that kind of happened yesterday when you saw us, when we were out reporting that orange glow behind us. that's because the fire shifted east. there was at least one home that was burned in the mandeville canyon area. and another issue is drones. officials say the drone incidents have reached into the double digits. and that's really concerning because it stops firefighters from being able to drop water. you can be fined $75,000 and also serve prison time for up to 12 months now. there's also been an update with the rumors swirling about the infighting with the mayor and the fire chief over those budget cuts that the fire chief says did impact their response to this fire to a certain factor. mayor bass, addressing that

yesterday, saying that any disagreements that they have will be dealt with in private. so governor gavin newsom calling for an investigation into those water pressure issues. now, firefighters, they are weary but resilient. and they will once again have to battle those flames under red flag warnings because wind gusts this week are expected to reach up to 60mph. guys. >> dana griffin, thank you very much. you stay safe out there, please. let's bring in president of the california professional firefighters, brian rice. he's also the chair of the california fire foundation. welcome, brian. >> good morning, and thank you for having me. >> thank you for being here. >> i we know this is a trying time for you all. alicia, i think alicia has the question for you. >> yeah. okay. >> just help us understand the intensity of these fires. what's driving the intensity of these fires? >> how you track fires like this, and the extent to which firefighters find themselves at the mercy of the wind. >> so we'll talk about what

drives these fires. >> and, alicia, you mentioned it. >> it is the wind. and imagine trying to fight a fire in hurricane force winds without the rain. and they drive the fire. >> not only do they drive it in speed, but that inflow of oxygen, it helps the fire create its own weather at the site and then out ahead of it. >> and it intensifies the heat and it spreads the radiant heat. and when you get winds that are predicted for today, you know, we're talking they're talking about 35 to 40 mile an hour sustained and up to 80 mile an hour on the ridge tops. if those winds hit like that, the game changes and firefighting is going to it'll stay it'll be intense. but it will also be getting people out of harm's way. >> the resiliency of the firefighters. >> here's what we know. >> there's nobody else coming. it's us. and i mean the people the line. we're getting help

from out of state. we're getting help from the national guard, the governor, state cal oes has intensified the response. there's probably 14,000 firefighters on the ground today. >> over 1700 fire engines, water tenders, 80 aircraft. >> so the men and women on the line know that that those resources are coming in behind them. it bolsters their morale, it bolsters their resiliency. but the biggest thing is you guys showed at the top of the hour that young family that lost their home. we see that every day in person and that that just it firefighters don't lose. >> and when we see families like that, no matter how tired we are, if we're on our 80 or 90, it just re-energizes us to double down on our effort. >> brian, i am struck by the fact that the firefighters who are fighting these fires in california, they're also protecting their own

neighborhoods and own homes. many of the, the, the men and women who have put their who have put themselves on the front lines, some of them have lost their homes. >> can you talk to us a little bit about how you all are providing resources not just to communities, but to the firefighters who are fighting these fires themselves? >> and people are wondering, i mean, even the president elect, he he tweeted, he he posted on his social media site a version of why can't they just put out the fires? it is. this is not like a fire breaking out on your stove in the kitchen. can you just explain even further about how this is not this is not just something someone can run up and put out, and you all are literally battling against mother nature. >> simone. >> that's exactly right. >> this it is a firefight. it is a fight against nature. >> and until somebody can have control over the wind, we're at the mercy of the weather right now. >> i try to really stay away from the social media tweets. it

does get very frustrating. >> i didn't follow the tweet on x, but it followed a newspaper article from a print media and they were quoting a congressman from ohio who probably has little to no experience with a wildfire, and certainly not a california wildfire, but opining that the federal government should stop aid until we control the fire problem, people need to understand fire has been a part of the nature of california in this country since since the beginning of time, when you add people, there's 40 million people in california, changes the fuel load. >> you can't manage every acre of forest land. and this is not a forest fire. this is a brush fire that transitions at the higher levels to more forested areas at the lower level, to urban areas and urban conflagration areas. when the wind is blowing and the fire

gets ahead of steam, you are not going to stop it. california firefighters are the best in the world at fighting this type of a fire. >> and right now, you mentioned it. the mayor of l.a. and the fire chief, everything is settled down. >> this tensions are high everywhere, and it's really easy to let that get in front of things locally. >> that's that's ramped down. everybody is focused on on really two things that are, number one, the most important, getting our community out of harm's way and taking care of and putting this damn fire out. >> and until the weather changes for us, people can stay and talk and do all they want. but we're at the mercy of the weather right now. >> you talked about the efforts. yes, i'm the president of the california fire foundation. i was on the ground at the fire yesterday at the evacuation

center in pasadena, passing out what we call our safe cards. and it's a prepaid mastercard. it's very small, $250. but i interacted with hundreds of residents of the altadena area that lost their home. and when you see the grace and the determination and having people ask me, how are you? how are the firefighters and you're dealing with somebody who's lost everything, that's who. that's who. we need to take our inspiration from and double down because that's who we're here for. as far as the foundation goes, we're we're expending the resources we have. we're getting resources in. we're going to be there. if people are looking for a donation, i'm not necessarily wanting to do a pitch, but the california fire foundation.org, those donations, we go right directly into the community as, as as as low down as we can get

to have the most effect on the citizens. it we're just in one of those spots in our, our nation, you know, with social media and, and instant instant news and everything. you just don't know who is talking or, or if they know what they're talking about. and i would caution people don't buy into stuff, really stick to trusted sources. and, you know, we're we're trying to just stay out of that fray and focus on the. job thing. the leadership in this area, it's tense. we got through that. our focus has not shifted. it's doubled down. get the fire out, save the community, start the rebuild. >> all right brian rice, thank you very much. really appreciate you. stay safe. and all the best to the firefighters out there. next hour we'll talk. next hour we'll talk to santa monica mayor lana negrete about the situation in her city. and for more information on how you can contribute to the relief efforts

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back in the white house with republicans in control of both chambers of congress this weekend, house republicans are huddling with trump at mar-a-lago, trying to figure out just how they're going to govern

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right now. >> yeah. >> i mean, we technically are one week away from unified power, but they are getting their plan prepared. >> and trump, who has learned from past experiences of dealing with this congress, i mean, even just last month over the debt ceiling, knows that he needs to corral all of these different factions in order to get this one big, beautiful bill that he's endorsed over the finish line, which they are far away from at this point. >> but right now there is some consensus around doing his his corralling all of his priorities into one bill rather than two. the thinking being, and this was communicated to him during meetings over the holiday break, we've been told by speaker mike johnson and now the majority leader, john thune, that it's going to be really challenging to get two bills done, two separate bills that split up his immigration priorities and his tax and econ priorities because of the lack of support and the very slim majority and these these just political realities

in the house of representatives. but what that actually looks like is something that they were talking about in these closed door meetings. so there were, you know, lawmakers from the salt caucus who met with the president elect. there was the house freedom caucus members who have more fiscally minded and deficit focused priorities. and so right now, they're just in, in, you know, this process of trying to get this all down on paper. but when it actually comes to making that that menu, putting together the buffet of options and how they're going to all offset and complement each other, they're still pretty far from that. >> so that is the legislative piece of things. >> meanwhile, jackie, you have the senate gop eyeing day one cabinet confirmations. you have senator thune. when asked by politico about efforts to check with senate democrats on confirmations that could happen on january. january 20th, he said that process is beginning and added, as you might expect, the nominees for the national security space are awfully important. what do they think is

actually possible to get done on that timeline? >> that's a really good question. and it's also something that there's not that much clarity on right now. i mean, there are still senators on both sides of the aisle who are waiting for fbi background checks. that's why we haven't seen a number of these confirmations scheduled yet. but there is some movement ahead with some of the more clear cut nominees and candidates. people like elise stefanik, marco rubio, pam bondi who have some less baggage and controversy hanging over their heads as as compared to people like tulsi gabbard, pete hegseth. but trump has also indicated that he wants senators to move full steam ahead on even the more controversial nominees. pete hegseth has been continuing to hold meeting after meeting after meeting to assuage and win over senators. and trump has been rallying allies, people like elon musk with big social media presences, to start getting ready to apply pressure on anyone who doesn't line up behind him. but again, we were told throughout the course of

our reporting last week that there are republican senators who have privately indicated some concern, specifically in a meeting with donald trump on on the capitol this week about having more time, ample time to check out these background checks once they are delivered to lawmakers on the hill. >> well, that's interesting because i thought john thune, in reporting last week said told donald trump, hey, hegseth is done. we it's done. so i you know, again, this kind of goes to something chuck todd said this past wednesday. i just want to play that real quick because i think it it cuts into your reporting. you know, he says it looks like as it looks as if the current gop is divided between the idea of a strong government that gets itself involved in everything the country's culture is, as well as the economy. think library books or access to junk food or vices like pornography, as well as tariffs versus the more libertarian version of conservatism that dominated since the reagan era,

which holds that government needs to contract and to contract and be less involved in the day to day lives of the american people. which version of this do you see on the hill? >> well, it's really it's such an interesting point because actually, what we're seeing the most concerns about crop up from conservative senators is actually access management of concerned veterans of america and some of the financial mismanagement that has come out of some of the reporting that various outlets have done about his tenure leading the organization there and sending them into problematic financial status. and the you know, the pentagon is one of the biggest entities in the country. he's managing millions of people and an enormous budget. and there are there are senators, republican senators, who are less concerned about the allegations of sexual misconduct. they feel like they want whoever is making these allegations to come on the record and have sort of

lambasted a lot of the criticisms and reporting that's been out there as anonymous. and they're more concerned with seeing the financials from his past stints leading various organizations because of the way that that translates to his potential ability to manage a huge institution like the pentagon. yeah. >> well, why we can't have it all. >> i, i see problems, but that's just me. jackie alemany, thank you so much for being with us. as we just mentioned, confirmation will begin shortly. those hearings will begin for some of trump's cabinet picks, including pete hegseth, gretchen carlson and julie roginsky are here to discuss next and later. you won't want to miss our discussion with marianne williamson as she runs for chair of the democratic national committee. oh, it's just a juicy morning and i haven't gotten to a half a cup of coffee yet. a half a cup of coffee yet. you're watching the weekend.

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♪♪ cabinet picks will begin this coming tuesday. one of the first hearings will be for pete hegseth, trump's choice for secretary of defense, according to nbc news. leading members of the senate armed services committee only just received hegseth fbi background check late friday. democrats have publicly expressed concern over that delay, and fear that report might not be thorough enough, particularly for a cabinet pick who has faced allegations of sexual assault and accusations of excessive drinking. journalist gretchen carlson and democratic strategist julie roginsky join us now. they are both co-founders of lift our voices, a nonprofit focused on combating sexual misconduct in the workplace. >> good. good morning to you both. julie, i guess the question is, is not just the sexual allegations and the

drinking. it's the financial mismanagement as we were just speaking with jackie alemany about and some other things that may be in these reports. what what do you want to hear from this hearing? should it get under way with these questions and these background reports just kind of hanging in the air? >> well that's right. good to good to see you all. thank you so much for having us this morning. i think the larger problem here is that senators don't have access to this fbi file, that it was given to the ranking member and the chair, but not necessarily disseminated to people on the committee who will be asking those questions. and so when you don't know which questions to ask, because you don't know what's necessarily in the background check, you don't know what to probe for and you don't know what the details might be. >> and so this is this seems to me kind of a rush job where they're trying to shove pete hegseth through without vetting him properly. >> and as somebody who worked with pete back at fox and somebody who knew him back in the day, i can tell you that

there are questions that need to be answered on behalf of the american people, not just about his behavior with women, not just about how he ran the organizations that he ran that have financial impropriety, but also his behavior since then. all of those questions deserve to have a fair hearing, because he is up for a very important job that literally has life and death consequences for all of us. >> yeah, i mean, that is the point here. very important job. frankly, i have said for a while that pete hegseth, we appreciate his service. but having served in the united states military is actually not the not the only qualification needed to be the secretary of the department of defense. like, there, there's more there, but those those are the bulk of his qualifications. i wall street journal is noting that there are many senators that have questions. joni ernst specifically has some questions for pete hegseth. this is an article that came out today. ernst is a former army national guard commander and endured a torrent of criticism from

prominent trump supporters late last year after publicly raising specific issues. she wanted to address the role of women in the military, sexual assault prevention and auditing the pentagon for waste and abuse. her questions and eventual votes could be key to her future, as well as her own. gretchen, i think joni ernst is an important figure here. what do you think? here? >> oh, yeah. i mean, she's the linchpin to this, but what's really troubling to me, and i think should be troubling to all women and men, quite honestly, is that this shouldn't just hang on the shoulders of female senators to be the ones that are actually going to ask the tough questions or actually raise the issues of sexual misconduct. we as a country should all be concerned about this. >> and i think what was disheartening to julie and myself and many other people who work in this advocacy space was that before the end of the year, the question seemed to be centering on the mismanagement, allegedly, of these nonprofits that he ran and the potential allegations about drinking and the sexual misconduct allegations were sort of shoved

to the side as if, oh, well, those are lower tier concerns. >> so look, joni ernst is trying to thread the needle here. >> she put out statements towards the end of the year that, you know, said she had had good meetings with him, but she was still taking it under consideration because she had the maga people coming after her in force. >> you also have some interesting people, though, that i think we should be paying close attention to, and that would be senators lisa murkowski and susan collins. also, kevin cramer of north dakota, and somebody that nobody else is really talking about is a new senator elect, senator from utah, john curtis, who was a democrat but is now a republican and has been on the record as saying that he does not believe that nominations coming from trump nominees should automatically just be forced through. just because the president elect said that they should be. so i would be paying very close attention to how he feels about this as well. >> julie, my friend, you come from the political world. you understand the complexity of the equation that republican

senators are trying to work out for themselves. gretchen just laid a lot of it out with that understanding, with the understanding they don't have the full information. you're calling it a rush job, which i agree. what questions do you think republican senators can ask with the information they have that illustrates to the general committee and to the general public the limitations of this nomination? >> well, i think the first thing you need to do is they need to sit with the woman who allegedly was raped by pete hegseth. we don't know what happened, but she does, and they should not force her to come forward. we all know what happens to women when they come forward in these kinds of situations. you only need to look at christine blasey ford to see the death threats and the doxxing and the basically the ruination of career and life that happens when you speak truth to power. but there are senators who can have a private conversation with her if they're truly interested in getting to the bottom of what happened, and they don't need to parade her out in front of the cameras. but if they're truly interested in what happened, and

i also will say that, you know, pete hegseth signed her to an nda. >> every single one of these senators, every single one supported the legislation that gretchen and i put forward, called the speak out act, which eradicates pre-dispute ndas for sexual misconduct. >> like this. and every single one of them gave wonderful statements and speeches about how this is a forward for sexual assault survivors, and how this is a new day for the metoo movement. well, if they truly believe what they voted for and they truly believe what they said, they should give the survivor the benefit of the doubt and have her come speak to them privately and just share her information with them. and armed with that information, they can then make a determination as to which kind of questions to ask. pete hegseth, at the hearing, gretchen, i want to pick up on a point that julie was just making about, you know, what happens to women in this situation when they do want to speak that truth to power?

>> what what is it about the fact that even today, in the face of everything that we've seen, everything that we've learned, everything we've come to know from anita hill forward, but we can even go back further than that, i'm sure. why is it that you still have men in power in the us senate, representing half the half the country, women in those seats, still looking at women as if they're lying when they bring? i mean, because what's the upside to a woman just randomly say, oh, yeah, pete, pete hegseth or any other man raped me. and i think that there's going to be an investigation or inquiry about that. why would anyone do that in such a high profile situation? and why do we as a country still look at them like you lying? >> yeah. well, we've come a long way when you do the work that we do on a daily basis. my case at fox news was already eight and a half years ago. but we've come

tremendous. we've made tremendous strides since that time. women are actually being believed. there are severe consequences for predators in our society. but julie and i often say that even though we passed two bipartisan bills into law in 2022 and the most hyper political time of our generation to eliminate silencing mechanisms that keep these women at bay with their stories never to be heard. even though we accomplished that changing culture, we often say, is more difficult than even that. passing laws is the first way to try to, for lack of a better term, force companies and other individuals into treating these courageous people who come forward in a better manner. but it takes time then, for culture to catch up, because it's so ingrained in us for some reason, that when people have the courage to come forward, we look at them as pariahs and we don't believe them, and we have to push them to the side. so, so

much of this is resting on these senators and how they approach this, and the message that they're sending to the rest of americans, and especially to our young people for whom we have hope that as they rise into the workplace in the new generation, that they will stop treating courageous people who come forward in the same manner that others have been treated in the past. >> hear, hear. gretchen carlson, julie roginsky, thank you both very, very much. coming up, former cia director john brennan will weigh in on the confirmation process for donald trump's picks for key intelligence positions. and we continue to monitor the breaking news in california overnight. officials confirmed that the death toll has climbed to at least 16. at the top of the hour, we will speak to the mayor of santa monica about how her community has responded to the (vo) comsail through the heart ofhe dishistoric citieswatching the and unforgettable scenery with viking.

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movement, then i don't know what to tell you. well, marianne williamson joins us now. she's also a new york times bestselling author. some of her books include age of miracles embracing the new midlife, everyday grace, having hope, finding forgiveness and making miracles, and a woman's worth. >> marianne, good morning to you. thank you for being at the table. i have heard you talk about a listening tour hearing from democratic voters, voters in general, what it is that they want, where the disconnect is. how does that listening then coincide with the fundraising and strategic elements that are the primary focus and work of the dnc chair? >> i think the primary work of the dnc chair needs to be all of those above. >> i think that we need an integrative approach. >> the strategic elements of activism on the ground, which includes, by the way, a real reorganization of the dnc itself, the state party leaders, the actual members of the dnc, the 448 members, many feel very

disempowered. >> there's not a lot of decision making sharing. there's not the money that should be given to the states. all of that organizational issue, as well as what goes on with strategy in these states, is extremely important. >> but those other two elements matter as well. >> people just aren't feeling it with the democratic party. >> and we have to change the brand and how it is perceived among the people of the united states. >> remember, everything that i just said to you is washington, d.c. centric, but americans are out there in the field in all 50 states and all seven territories. as far as donations are concerned. i think that donors are not very impressed with the low return on investment that's happened over this last over cycle. and somebody who comes in and says we're going to be doing things really differently is the best thing that could happen, both with your low donors as well as your high donors. >> so all three are important. >> and i would be in charge of all three being in charge of all

three. >> what is that? what what does it look like in terms of the sort of the practical elements of running a national party without a president sitting down? 1600 you then become a key leader, along with chuck schumer and hakeem jeffries working in tandem. so you've got you've got these layers. so you're right in one sense, it's not washington. it's not this building behind us. it is out on the streets. so how do you, as national chair, bring those pieces together to get the leadership in washington to understand what you've just said? because i guarantee you they won't and they don't. and to bring the party faithful along under your leadership to take the risk of your leadership. in other words, what you may be leveling up is something that's outside of what they're used to hearing or thinking. how do you see that as

part of the job? >> okay, well, first of all, i'm not running for a policymaking position, right? hakeem jeffries is the policy maker. senator schumer is the policy maker. i'm running for megaphone, you know, because we won't have the presidency. that's the biggest megaphone in the world. we don't have the speaker of the house huge megaphone. we don't have the head of the senate. so the dnc has to become a megaphone. and the way that we don't in every session. so my creating a communications machine that will actually help get their messages out to the people, that's where i see myself. that's number one. number two, the dnc now runs in a very 20th century way. you would be one of the first people i would ask for advice. by the way, you've done this. the 20th century model is this group of people sitting on the top sort of dictating what's happening. we need a 21st century model. 21st century leadership is holding the space for the brilliance of others, and that begins with the organization itself. more and more people within the organization, members feeling empowered. as i said, sharing resources, sharing members and so forth. now, when

you say the different stakeholders getting the buy in from democrats, we need to remember because the republicans remember, buy in from democrats is not just me in washington buying from democrats that we need to be worrying about right now are the voters who aren't feeling it, who aren't feeling it well. >> no. >> that well. >> so i'm a and i'm a former dnc member and i have i was a member when we had a chair who was when we were out of power. so the president of the united states was not a democrat at the time, and he had to run a very robust primary process. two things i want to ask you about that. you've mentioned a couple of times. first, what do you mean about the organization within? because i think in this 21st century model, a lot of people want this groupthink at the top, but someone has to make the decision. so what specifically would you change within the dnc structure? because there are meetings that happen. the party chairs weigh in in different ways. so what specifically are you talking about changing in terms of the structure of the democratic national committee?

>> well, it's interesting that you just said the party chairs weigh in, because i've talked to a lot of party chairs over the last couple of weeks. they don't get to feel that they they're not telling me they get to weigh in. what are they saying? they are saying that there is a rather opaque process, even the budget, the executive committee knows it. but there are others who don't really know where all of that money is going. >> so how would you change it? >> well, we have a consultancy class for companies. i'm sure you know who they are. i could name them and they're making decisions. i hear from party chairs all over the place. some state man in kansas says, how the hell do they know how i'm supposed to talk to people on a tractor in kansas? you know, there there are people in washington making decisions about how to message in areas where those messages land really flat because it's washington think washington think and america think are two different things. >> i guess i just want to yeah. >> what is how would you change that? what are you what do you bring to. >> what do you bring to that going to do even on the

consultancy except for the data. what what these people are telling me in the various states, the data that comes from these consultants, these classes, that's good. everything else, they get a failing grade, failing grade, failing grade. first of all, if you're going to hire a consultant to help you with your messaging, let's go into those areas. let's feed the economies in those local communities. let kansas let a kansas consultancy firm or a texas consultancy firm or a south carolina consultancy firm. it doesn't all have to be the rnc. >> you got it. you got to break that piece down doing the messaging. >> i mean, yesterday in the virtual forum, you were you were all asked what the dnc got wrong in 2024 and you answered suppressing the primary. so if you are elected dnc chair, you and this group of people, these consultants across the country, are y'all going to get ready for 2028? what what are you going to do differently? and i just i do think that there is a lack of specifics on what you're talking about in terms of the structure, but you've been a chairman. maybe i'm wrong. >> no, i could hear a little bit more specifics. well, i mean,

well, but he's not running for dnc chair, so. >> no, i'm not ready. >> yeah, well, i've told you a lot. >> i mean, how do you how do you return that? how do you give that power to that chairman who's who's talking to the farmer on his tractor? what does that look like in terms of the current? the way the dnc is currently structured, if chairman are telling you that they're, you know, we're out of the out of the game here, we're not in the game. what are you doing specifically to get them in the game? >> there is so much talent, so much intelligence, so much experience, years of experience in the dnc membership. i can't tell you how many of these dnc members said to me, you know how many times they've called me. you know how many times anybody in leadership has called me? and i got used to the question enough that i knew the answer was zero. nobody's even asking them how to do it. nobody's even trying. nobody's even asking their opinion. a lot of this. that's why this listening has to begin with, listening of the membership, unleashing the extraordinary, actually wisdom and knowledge that's in the

membership. and believe me, people are very, very frustrated. i've been on the phone for two weeks, so okay, i guess i guess for me, you, the next chair is at a very important transitional point for the democratic party. >> yes, your brand sucks. voters don't like you. that was clear because they the majority of the vote went to donald trump for the first time since bush, the vice president did get 75 million votes, but she got but the he got more but she got 75. let's just do i got that. but again, this is a system in which the majority wins. so it doesn't really matter what the what the loser got. it's what the majority got. and so that's what you have to deal with right? a majority of the country did not support you. right. how do you now bring that branding into a better focus for the american people? it's not going to be enough to say donald trump is bad. donald trump's a fascist.

whatever. what what what kind of creative thought are you giving to that space? well, because it wasn't for me. i couldn't get out there and say, oh, barack obama is an evil person because a it was incredible. given how the country felt about barack obama versus how they felt about obamacare. >> for example, i was on shows such as yours throughout the campaign saying to kamala harris, stop talking about donald trump. you know, if you look at these at these local elections, look at these state elections, the democratic party has not done badly at all. when people actually see democratic policies in their communities. we did kind of well, it's on the national. it's the national face of the party, the elitism, the idea at least that comes across. and i don't think that it's necessarily true of the individuals comes across like we know, and it even comes across to other candidates such as myself. like, we got this, we got this, we got this. we're the adults in the room. you don't got this. you just lost michigan. you lost pennsylvania,

you lost wisconsin, you lost ohio, you lost the house and you lost the senate. how about some other ideas coming in here and to build the communications machinery has to do with storytelling. you know, technicians are important and political car mechanics are important. but it's also important. somebody who knows, maybe we should be on a different road. one of the first things i would do is i'd call lin-manuel miranda. i'd call tom hanks, i call steven spielberg and say, can we please have a meeting with the greatest directors and artists in this country who who've made clear that they're democrats because we're not telling our story? well, i will just help me with this. >> it sounds as though that i think the communications piece is a really big piece for the party. i do think that the chair does more than the communications. may i say, i know we have to go, but we have great talent. >> we have great talent. kim martin's great. for instance, there are a lot of people who are running who who they know what they're doing. and these technicians are important and they would be fully empowered by me. we don't lack the political car mechanics. somebody needs to

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