last year, but some of it's been very personal. >> like, i now get to start my show. coming off of your energy every weekend, which i love, and i just wanted to remind our viewers of a little bit of the fun we've had in the last year. >> take a look. >> oh, that does it for our very first edition of the weekend. velshi starts right now. hi, ali. >> i slept well last night. i got up ready to watch the show this morning. thought i'd give it a little bit of a club vibe today. >> as you can see, i was at a rave all night. can you see my vest? oh, yeah. >> you see the vest? ali? i'm glad we're discussing it. >> it's giving papa smurf and ia2 hour show just like yours. >> so now i just got to. i got to face off with michael. i feel like i've done many times, but i. there you go. you're looking good, my friend. you're looking good. >> you know. it's 420. ali happy 420. >> to all that celebrate. totally. is that changes the whole game. very interesting. there's perogi. hey, pierogi.

who is pierogi? pierogi is kyle's dog. kyle's dog. he came in to visit. >> he was in the control room. >> i just wanted to reinforce. i like puppies, too. >> that show was brat. wait. he said that show was black? no, he said brat. oh, brat. >> well, it was brat and black. good morning. ali. >> wait, i didn't. that was too fast. i wasn't in frame yet, am i? yeah, this is good watching. >> i want to see him saunter into frame. >> ali, we don't have any champs for you. oh. >> byob. this is a much larger bottle than the one you had, so let's just see himself on national television. >> oh. >> some boss is about to text me. let me tell you. hey, guys. hey! >> oh, god. what is happening? >> look at. they've changed. they have me sitting today. >> i'm going to tell you, my friend. there you go. see? there you go. all right, so this is where we are. >> we're all done. you see, everybody's losing their job today. guys keep upping the ante on me. so i got these to the

ears. >> i'm dying. >> i'm dying for the ears. >> i felt so blessed. >> no, don't don't don't let me outdo velshi. i wanted this to be about his fire. >> and that is just a taste of the remarkable fun and the chemistry and how much to let me know when you're doing this. >> i had an outfit repeat in there. okay? i'm like, dang. >> well, we'll we'll take that up for your second birthday. you guys celebrate. well, rest well. thank you all for what you do. thanks for all your friendship. and by the way, that's not counting all the times that i've had you stuck. stick around and come on to my show to help me continue to cover things. so thanks. congratulations and have yourself an amazing rest of your day. and velshi starts now. and good morning. it is sunday, january the 12th. we begin this morning in southern california again, where firefighters gained crucial ground against the deadly wildfires overnight. but

more wind is coming and the fires continue to blaze through densely populated urban areas in and around los angeles at this hour. here's where things stand right now. officials say more than 12,000 structures have been destroyed or damaged since the fire began on tuesday. thousands more remain under threat. 16 people are believed to have died due to fire related causes. these are already on track to become one of the costliest natural disasters in u.s. history. i say these because there are multiple fires in the same area. you can see those areas the basically the part in the middle toward the bottom of your screen. that's the main part of los angeles. these fires are burning all around it. the two largest ones are the palisades fire that's at the bottom of your screen, the eaton fire at the top right of your screen. they've consumed, consumed nearly 38,000 acres of land. that's about 59mi!s. firefighters have made progress against these fires overnight, but the palisades fire still

grew by 1000 acres, and strong winds are expected to pick up again overnight tonight. meanwhile, the hurst fire in the san fernando valley that's the top left of your screen, that's north of la is 76% contained. that's under enough control that officials have lifted the last evacuation orders for that area. crucially, the winds calmed down enough in the afternoon yesterday for this to happen. take a look at this to allow rescue workers to safely fly aircraft that could drop water to extinguish the flames in some places. and you're looking at new footage that's shared with us this morning by cal fire of that effort underway. planes were also deployed to disperse fire retardant. and you can see these are different kinds of planes. these are fixed wing aircraft. you can see that red fire retardant coming out of it. what that does is it establishes defensive barriers to prevent the fires from expanding significantly in this particular

case into the brentwood and encino neighborhoods of la, at least for now. governor newsom, governor gavin newsom of california activated more national guard members yesterday as well, bringing the total number of national guard personnel deployed to help the emergency to 1680. let's get right to nbc news correspondent ellison barber, who's in the brentwood area of los angeles. ellison this is an area that was coming under evacuation order. that was people were very fearful that the fire was going to spread into. what's the situation now, do you think? >> yeah. >> i mean, look, let me just start with where we are right here because you have a lot of residents that have gathered here this morning trying some walking by, frustrated now trying to get back into their homes. >> remember, there's a curfew in the evacuated areas that lifted this morning at 6 a.m, but you see this long line of cars. ali it was like this yesterday as well. >> these are people who live in this section of where the palisades fire hit, who have been trying to get back home, a

lot of them trying to just go pick up some basic necessities because they left thinking they would be gone, maybe a night, maybe two. >> and it's turned out to be much longer. others trying to get home just to assess some of the damage. we were talking to one man who's kind of standing there around the corner this morning, and he said he was here yesterday. he waited over three hours trying to get home to get some supplies, and then the curfew hit and he was told he couldn't go. he came back this morning. has been here since 5 a.m, waiting, desperately trying to get home just to get some basic necessities. he believes his home is still standing, but for so many others, that's not the case and they're just trying to get back in at times to just see what is left of their house. there's also has been that fear, particularly in this pocket over near mandeville canyon where people were worried about are their homes now next in the line? do they need to try to get to their homes to see if they themselves can douse them with water to try and save them? but firefighters, they have been working, trying to deal with any expansion. but first, let me let you hear some of the frustrations that we have been hearing from people who live in this community, frustrated that

this fire is still raging as it is right now, frustrated that it was able to get so big in the first place. >> listen, it's pretty traumatic. pretty unfortunate that we have leaders like we have that can let us down like this, that we have to be in this position that we're in. >> that's what i call unfortunate. >> not that it's tragic. these people should be locked up. >> who do you think is responsible for the failures here? >> you know, i don't think i don't know because they tell so many lies. i don't know who to believe, who not to believe. >> but obviously, you know, the buck stops with him. you know, the mayor and the governor. i don't know what he's doing. >> there is so much frustration. people say, as the death toll rises over 9000 plus structures destroyed, the eaton fire and the palisades fire just still truly raging, that they feel like they don't have enough answers on how this was able to get so bad in the first place. but you mentioned something at the top, ali, that aerial assault that took place

yesterday. we were with cal fire. it was extraordinary to see the way that they were able to push some of those fire lines back. ali. >> alison, thanks for your great reporting. stay safe. nbc's ellison barber in the brentwood area of los angeles. we're going to check back in with her at the top of the next hour. joining us now is brian fantasy, the fire chief of the orange county, california fire authority. he's a collaborator with x prize wildfire, which is a competition that incentivizes the innovation of firefighting technologies. good to see you again. thank you for being with us. we were talking to you yesterday. i want to ask you we were showing the video yesterday when you and i were on together. we saw some aircraft able to fly because when the winds come down that that's very, very helpful. we saw a helicopter putting water down and we saw a fixed wing aircraft putting fire retardant down. what are the differences between the two and what do they achieve and how are they helping in contain these fires. >> well thanks ali. you know, generally if you want in general terms, you know, we're applying water, you know, from

helicopters directly on the fire's edge. so we call that a direct attack with the aircraft, the fixed wing aircraft that are dropping the phos-chek, the pink retardant does just that. it retards. generally speaking, we will use retardant to provide a line off the fire's edge, what we would call an indirect attack. and so that when the fire burns towards the retardant, it goes to that it retards it. it slows the spread that phos-chek coats the leaves, it gets down to the forest floor, and the idea is to slow it down so we can get our firefighters on the ground into those areas, because you still have to put firefighters around this fire. it just allows us to get the firefighters in closer. so basically an indirect versus direct attack. >> one of the reasons you and i are in contact, brian, is because i also have involvement with the x prize, and you're involved in a movement to try

and figure out new innovations in terms of both detecting and fighting fires. is there anything you've been thinking about or studying in the last couple of years that has a direct impact on what we're seeing today? in other words, is there a future in which we are either going to be able to detect, prevent, or fight these more effectively than we're able to do today? >> we'd sure like to think so. and thanks for bringing that up. and as you know, you know, x prize launched in 2023. it's an 11,000,004 year competition aimed at developing firefighter technologies that can end destructive wildfire. you know, the competition is focusing on creating autonomous space based solutions to detect and assess high risk fires within ten minutes, which is significantly faster than we're able to do now. you know, it's an initiative that's been addressing the increasing frequency and severity of these wildfires caused by human activities. so in in some of the well, i can't really divulge,

you know, some of the projects right now we talk about safe space space based some of this is low orbit perhaps satellite detection. you know, we' reaching out and asking, you know, the private sector to provide us tools. you know, that perhaps governments not in a good position to do so. yeah. we're looking forward to seeing what innovation and what technology is going to bring us in the future, because clearly it has to be beyond what the government is taking is doing. >> what are the what are the less technical things that are being done right now and can be done right now? if you're in california and you know, these things are, are, are spreading. we have seen some structures, for instance, that were saved by virtue of some mitigation technologies, basic stuff that they underwent beforehand, separating the brush from the buildings and things like that. what's the kind of thing that

works in a place like southern california, where you've got urban areas mixed in with wooded areas mixed in with hills and valleys, and all the recipes for wildfires spreading and causing the kind of damage they do. because we're in urban areas. i mean, there's a difference between a lot of woodland burning and areas around residential areas burning. do you feel that there are things we should be thinking about right now to say, how do we mitigate this? >> yeah. >> you know, it's clearly we need to we need to be putting more fire on the landscape. you know, we've done such a good job. when i say we the fire service over decades at suppressing these fires that, you know, we've really created an unhealthy, you know, forest or landscape. and it's a challenge because, you know, people are pretty in the west, are pretty tired of these fires, and they're tired of being in smoke. but at the same time, we need to treat the landscape with fire. and, you know, there is beneficial fire. and if we're

going to create a healthier environment out there for both the public and certainly, you know, the firefighting community, we have to be more aggressive at, at at creating these healthier landscapes. we're seeing technology bring various tools to the to the effort. but there are also challenges. you know, if you look at the us forest service, you know, i think i think somewhere around 60% of their fire stations were staffed this year in california. they have an attrition rate due to pay and benefits that are crippling that organization's ability not only to fight fire, but to put healthy fire, beneficial fire on the landscape throughout our national forest. so there's some structural things within, certainly that organization that need to be addressed and addressed quickly. >> chief, good to see you. thanks for joining us again this morning. chief brian fennessy is the chief of orange county, california fire authority. we're going to continue to monitor the

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confirmed. but that wasn't always the case. so let me reintroduce you to john ratcliffe. ratcliffe, a former congressman from texas, served as trump's director of national intelligence for about six months back in 2020. and i'm going to get back to that in just a moment. ratcliffe served in the house from 2015 to 2020, and during that time he built his reputation as a fierce donald trump loyalist. in 2019, trump named ratcliffe as one of several house republicans to serve on his impeachment advisory team. ratcliffe ardently defended donald trump during those first impeachment proceedings, which involved a phone call between trump and the ukrainian president, volodymyr zelensky. that same year, ratcliffe was critical of the investigation into russian interference in the 2016 presidential election, suggesting that fbi and intelligence officials had shown political bias and possibly committed crimes. now, this must have gotten the attention of the

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and in person. john ratcliffe, on the spectrum of donald trump appointees to important positions. when i say important, i mean about national security, law enforcement, things like that. he's not at the extreme end. he's not likely in major danger of not getting confirmed. >> yeah, i think that's accurate. i would say pete hegseth, the nominee for the defense department secretary, and tulsi gabbard, the director of national intelligence, are more of a concern. and then as well, kash patel, the fbi one of the reasons ratcliffe is we've had a couple of chances to sort of see him in action. >> he has been in congress. he has had vetting. they don't seem to be a lot of sort of personal issues that have come up. his main issue that democrats will criticize is a his his fealty and loyalty to trump, and how that will affect the way he runs the cia. talk to me about what we know about him so far, given that we've seen him in similar positions in the past. >> and so the fear here, and i'm sorry to nerd out with you is that, you know, in the mid 70s, there was all this evidence on

earth of the cia putting forward facts and claims and narratives that violated americans rights, but also played helped presidents politically. and there really was a sort of stop to that. not perfectly look at the iraq war, but for decades. and so the problems with ratcliffe is that he released certain intelligence just before the 2020 election, information that, you know, hillary clinton was somehow responsible for the dossier that led to trump and being investigated in terms of his cooperation with russia. and the question is, will he do that again? will he say the united states should, you know, seize the panama canal based on his intelligence findings? should it somehow force denmark to give up greenland and sort of twist the facts? it's very important to have an apolitical intelligence community and a cia director who will say things like, don't invade iraq. so that's the key here is when will he bend and when will he stand up? >> so this is a very important note. it's loyalty to presidents is fine. every president in the world wants people who are loyal

to them. donald trump sort of takes that to an extreme. but the bottom line is that's not the question. the question is, can he endanger america by fudging the facts or not putting the facts out there? do you think that will come up from the republicans who are ultimately going to make the decision whether or not to, to approve him in the senate? will they push that point? >> i we haven't heard that from republicans on the hill. they've raised major concerns about pete hegseth, the defense secretary. there's concerns some there's less concerns about kash patel and tulsi gabbard. but that's the issue. that's how the political climate has changed. democrats will definitely raise this. and to be fair to ratcliffe, we were talking about it earlier. cassidy hutchinson, the former aide in the white house who testified about the january 6th events, said that in private, ratcliffe said trump should not challenge the results of the 2020 election. so he was right there, but it was only in private where he said, this is bad for our democracy, this is bad for trump's legacy. >> we're going to go through all of the nominees. you'll be back in the next hour to talk about pete hegseth. how much of this

idea that if the if republicans in the senate would like to take their responsibility, their constitutionally mandated responsibility to advise and consent on these nominations, they they may hold their fire because they can't do it for too many. and that ratcliffe is not where they're going to spend their their energy in opposing whom a person who might not be a perfect nominee. >> their political fear is that if they oppose too many trump nominees, they'll be primaried by a more pro-trump person and lose their seat in the senate. and again, you know, it's american lives potentially at stake. intelligence assessments can lead the u.s. to challenge china. china is going to be a big focus in the second term and possibly get the us into war. so it's a really important position, cia director and, you know, that's the question is how hard will republicans push ratcliffe in terms of his own independence? >> how much? obviously, with hegseth, which we'll talk about in an hour. the, the military is a very big organization, hard to actually turn on a dime. it's a it's a battleship, if you will. how about the cia can can somebody kind of undo it in the

course of one term, or is the infrastructure there strong enough to withhold somebody who tries to politicize it? >> the information it looks like. and this is what we'll be watching. you talked about ken dilanian, dan deluce, our colleagues, they are going to be seeing if there are mass resignations, if people are standing up and saying, no, this is not the finding of our cia people around the world in terms of the information being presented to trump from the cia. >> all right. we'll have to see how that unfolds. i'll see you in an hour. david rohde is the nbc news senior executive editor for national security. he'll be joining us again in the next hour as we take a closer look at donald trump picked to be the defense secretary. pete hegseth, whose senate confirmation process is set to begin on tuesday also. we're continuing to monitor the wildfires out west, where the new evacuation orders for several communities are continuing. you're watching velshi on msnbc. what is cirkul? cirkul is the fuel you need to take flight. cirkul is the energy that gets you to the next level. cirkul is what you hope for when

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>> president donald trump has pledged to pursue the largest deportation effort in american history. those are his words. he spent months preparing his base for what is essentially a mass displacement of human beings by flooding the discourse with disinformation and conspiracy theories about migrants. now, immigrants and advocacy groups are bracing for families to be torn apart under a second trump term. up to 4 million mixed status families where some members are undocumented, while others either are u.s. citizens or have some sort of legal status in the united states, are at risk of being separated. according to estimates from the american immigration council. if you recall, trump's family separation policy at the southern border under his first term led to one of the cruelest and most shameful chapters in recent american history. more than 3000 children were forcibly taken from their parents at the border and transferred to more than 100 shelters nationwide,

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words. quote. she asked me to leave. i didn't want to. so she turned to my father and asked him to tell me to leave. as i waited, three immigration and customs enforcement agents came in and took custody of my dad. when our lawyer reappeared, the look on his face told me everything i needed to know. the world felt ripped from under my feet. end quote. viviana went on to launch a multinational campaign calling for her father's release and demanding protections for mixed status families. now, during this difficult period, there was one silver lining viviana graduated from yale with honors, though without her father by her side. melecio was ultimately deported, forcing nearly her entire family except for viviana, to leave the only life they had ever known. she wrote at the time, quote, what happened to him is not an appropriate application of the law. it is cruelty. it's not just my dad's story. under president trump, every undocumented person living in the united states is a target. undocumented people want to cooperate with the law, but

there's no path for them to do so without jeopardy of detainment or removal. so many families like mine, are threatened by a deeply flawed immigration system in the united states, which is basically enforced in an ad hoc manner. if upholding the law is important, pulling a families apart is no way to do it. end quote erika andiola was just 11 years old when she entered the united states in 1998 with her two siblings and her mother, who was fleeing domestic violence in mexico. they settled in arizona, a state notorious for its harsh anti-immigration laws, where erika says she struggled to fit in without a support system. classes were taught exclusively in english, and undocumented students were forced to pay out of state college tuition costs to attend state schools. speaking to a local paper, she said, quote, i knew i was a smart young woman. i knew i was a young woman who was capable of a lot, but oftentimes i didn't have the support i needed when i first arrived to achieve my goals. end quote. but erika would soon find her voice in the

dreamer movement becoming one of its prominent and widely respected leaders. for erika, activism became a lifeline, and she would soon help launch one of the most significant and historic movements in the u.s. on behalf of undocumented youth. the dreamers are undocumented immigrants who came to america as young children growing up with america as their home, but without legal status as one prominent activist, erika organized civil disobedience campaigns at the us capitol. she participated in hunger strikes, and she attended meetings at the white house. her efforts would pay off, and in 2012, the obama administration approved the deferred action for childhood arrivals program. you'll know that as daca, granting erika and millions of other young people work permits, temporary protection from deportation, access to health care and educational scholarships, daca would transform the lives of millions of undocumented youth across the country. in 2013, erika quit her job as a congressional staffer on capitol

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two remarkable women who've been caught in the crosshairs of this country's broken immigration policies. joining me now. erika andiola, the director of communications for the young center for immigrant children's rights. she's also the former president and co-founder of the arizona dream coalition, previously served as press secretary for latino outreach for bernie sanders 2016 presidential campaign. viviana andazola marquez is a trial lawyer at waymaker, where she represents clients across business sectors in civil, regulatory and criminal matters. in 2014, the new york times published her personal statement about growing up homeless. she went on to graduate from yale university with honors, and later earned a degree from stanford law school. welcome to both of you. great to see you, viviana. it's been some years since you and i first spoke. and i mean, it's such remarkable joy to see the success that both of you have achieved despite the adversity that you faced. i just want to underscore, though, for americans who look at you, who see you as a lawyer and a remarkable success, your family

was ripped apart as you were growing up. you, in spite of that, have achieved the success that you've achieved, maybe even because of it. but i want to go back to those days when you and i first met and we first talked and you were you were graduating from your undergraduate and your father was taken from you. tell me how that was. >> sure. >> well, first of all, thank you so much for having me again. it has been some time. >> at that time it was really intense and my family continues to feel the ramifications to today. >> i think i was very concerned about my youngest siblings, who at the time were around two and seven, being effectively de facto deported with my dad. ever since then, they've been living in mexico. and just this last year, i tried to bring the oldest of the two back to the u.s. so she could do high school, but it proved to be too difficult for her. >> and i am concerned about their future. they are not going to have the same opportunity as me to go to college and have a

successful career, so that has been very difficult, and i know that a lot of other children around the u.s. who have unauthorized parents might face the same fate as my younger siblings. >> erika, congratulations, first of all, on obtaining your grandma, your green card. you know, both of you are so accomplished and have done so much and are really emblematic of exactly people like you, right? you're not. you're not two standouts. you are a standout as you are. you are what young immigrants who come to this country do. and part of this conversation is to underscore for people, it is families like yours that are being ripped apart or have been ripped apart. you've had a little bit more success in trying to keep a couple of members of your immediate family in the united states. >> that's right. but i'm still fighting to keep my mom here. my thankfully, my brother was able to get his citizenship, his residency. >> he's applying for citizenship because he was married to a u.s. citizen. but my mom is still in

deportation proceedings. >> i have been begging the biden administration to do something to stop her deportation before they leave office, but they have not listened to me. so she's going to be battling her deportation under trump. and as you can hear my voice, i'm definitely scared. my mother my mother is 65, 66 years old now. she is a great grandmother now. she has a three year old great great granddaughter. her name is sophie and she loves her so much and she is actually now third generation in this country. her her mom was born here and her grandmother happens to be undocumented. so, you know, this is something that families across the u.s. are really scared of. and it's unfortunate because what we hear in the media and a lot of a lot of media is that they're doing this for security purposes to feel safer. right. and what comes to

my mind is how is deporting a 66 year old great grandmother who has done nothing wrong but to leave mexico because of domestic violence? how is that going to make anybody safer in this country? i just don't understand, viviana. >> this is exactly a conversation you had, you and i had all these years ago. and this is why i think it's important to describe your father. this is this is not a guy who was a threat to anybody under any circumstances. he was a steady worker. he was employed. he was actually following the rules. you were going to an immigration appointment in which you thought he would get status. he he paid his taxes. he he did all the things that are model behaviors. and by the way, as dreamers, it's the same idea. but there's overwhelming support for dreamers to stay in this country and have legal status. so tell me, let's answer that same question. viviana, your father was no threat to anyone. he was a net contributor to american society and our economy.

>> yeah, definitely. i mean, it's unfortunate that the trump administration wants to pursue immigration policy by fear. i think that in practice, the only thing he does is terrorize a lot of hard working families like mine and doesn't actually carry out the enforcement enforcement priorities that he claims to want to pursue. the places that he's going to raid don't have the people that he claims to be targeting, so he wants to rule by fear. and i just think we're going to have the same results and a bunch of more families traumatized in the process. it's unnecessary waste of resources. and yeah, i mean, i don't really have much more to say than that. >> viviana, one of the things i'm sorry, erika, one of the things that's important to keep in mind is when you're in a mixed status family. and frankly, this could apply to a whole lot of unauthorized immigrants. the disincentive to commit crimes is huge, right? i mean, it's far greater than if deportation is not on the menu. you people don't commit crimes.

we can find any statistic anywhere in the country that proves that there's somebody in some particular group that committed a crime, sometimes a heinous crime. but generally speaking, people who have mixed status families understand that the penalty for committing even small crimes could be deportation, and nobody wants to be separated from their families. >> absolutely. i mean, i can tell you, look, i grew up mostly in arizona, and arizona has been known for trying to pass a law back in 2010 called sb 1070, which was the show me your papers law. that's how it used to be called. and so i grew up really looking, you know, looking behind every time i was in the streets trying to figure out, is there a cop back there? right. we are afraid a lot of times when i was undocumented, i was afraid of being in contact with the police in any way. and i know a lot of people in our community don't commit crimes. they try to stay away from anything that will draw attention to them because of their status. and that has shown, i mean, as you mentioned, statistic or statistics says

that people who are undocumented are way less likely to commit crimes. and i understand why it's really scary to be around the police. it's really scary to know that you might be separated from your family in the blink of an of an eye, right? and so i just the statistics are there. unfortunately, we have a, a marketing machine that was activated during the last elections that has told the american people that that's not the case, that the opposite is the case. and so that's why, you know, people like viviana and i are here to tell our stories. and it's also scary for us. right. and i'm speaking also for myself. it's scary, but we're doing it because we want people to know and to see the human faces of what the cost of what trump is promising to do will be right. >> and we have to see them as individuals as opposed to the statistics are there. but we have to actually, you know, viviana, you wrote in your piece something that that erika just said, families are often forced

to choose between cooperation with the law and then risking, like your father did, detainment and deportation or trying to avoid the law entirely because you're constantly scared that something that will happen will get you into an interaction with the police that will get you deported. this is not the way you so good and healthy relations among citizens. >> totally. and i think that like in the last several years, we've seen the effects of the creating distrust between community members and law enforcement. there is no incentive to cooperate if the enforcement is going to be harsh. there's it's very black and white. there has to be room to pursue things humanely and tailored to people's circumstances, and were sold to story that this is the only way to do it. but if more people, you know advocated for different outcomes, then perhaps those relations could improve. >> thank you to both of you.

thanks for your bravery. and viviana, good to see you back again. erica. this will be like my relationship with viviana will be a conversation we will continue to have, because it's going to be an important one. we're going to change everybody's narrative, 1 or 2 people at a time, if that's what we have to do to tell the real stories, which you've both done. thank you for being here. erika andiola is the director of communications at young center for immigrant children's rights. viviana andazola marquez is a trial lawyer at waymaker. all right. straight ahead. strong winds continue to complicate efforts to battle the wildfires in los angeles. the biggest fire is still expanding its path of destruction. we're going to bring you the very latest, including a report on the ground on another hour of velshi, which begins right now. hey. good morning. sunday, january the 12th. we begin this morning in southern california, where firefighters gained crucial ground against deadly wildfires overnight. but more wind is coming and the fires continue to blaze through densely p