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and for those who have lost everything, what comes next? it appears a brewing battle between california homeowners and insurance companies. >> plus, where is doctor abu safiyya? >> the viral image of a hospital chief in gaza walking alone towards an unknown fate. i'm ayman mohyeldin. let's do it. we begin this hour with the devastating wildfires in california. officials now say the death toll is at least 16 people. a whopping 40,000 acres are now charred across los angeles, some 12,000 structures reduced to rubble. sadly, the fire still raging santa ana winds are expected to fuel them further when those winds strengthen in the coming hours and days, with gusts of 30 to 50 mile per hour winds expected in coastal areas and up to 70mph winds in the mountains of los angeles and ventura counties. the fire warning is in effect until wednesday, and evacuation orders are in effect for 105,000

los angeles residents and 87,000 are in evacuation warning zones, which means that they should expect to leave their homes at a moment's notice. 68,000 people in los angeles remain without power. at the height of this, there were five active fires across los angeles. thankfully, there are now only three. the palisades fire, the largest, is only 11% contained. the eaton fire is 27% contained, and the hurst fire is 89% contained. one thing officials cannot control, of course, is the air quality, which is now triggered a public health emergency being declared across l.a. county. public health officials are warning residents that smoke and other matter could pose immediate, short and long term threats. we have also learned that california governor gavin newsom is deploying an additional 1000 national guard troops to join the fire fight in la. the governor has also issued an executive order in the past hour to direct fast action on debris

removal and mitigate the potential for mudslides and flooding in areas burned. nbc news correspondent allison barber is live in brentwood for us. allison, we spoke 24 hours ago. give us an update on what has happened over those 24 hours and in what direction this fight is, is going. >> yeah. i mean, you touched on it off the top, over 12,000 structures destroyed largely by the eaton and palisades fire. the impact is hard to put into words. we've shown so many images of it, but seeing it on the ground every day, it surprises me by just how vast the damage and the scale of the destruction is here. but we have seen throughout the weekend firefighters having a massive push on the ground and in the air trying to get these fires under control. and when we were up in the palisades in the last few hours, throughout today, it looks like they have made some significant progress. it was hugely important that they did that, particularly in terms of fighting this fire from the air,

because those santa ana winds are expected to pick back up with a high risk all the way through wednesday. what that means is that it's going to be very hard for air support, for the firefighters to maneuver and to operate if those winds are back up and at those high levels, because ultimately it can be unsafe for those pilots to fly. also, it's really hard to drop water or flame retardant from the sky when there are winds because it will miss the target. so what we saw this weekend was just a massive aerial assault. we saw it yesterday. we know about it again and saw it again today to try and get flame retardant around the perimeter, in particular of the fire, and to hopefully control it so that when those winds pick back up, it won't spread even further. i have to say, being up in pockets of the palisades where previously you would see hotspots, things smoldering, we didn't see that in the section that we were in today because firefighters seem to have made some really good progress. the containment numbers at the palisades fire not up quite as high as the eaton fire just yet, but this massive ground and air

effort throughout the weekend seems to be helping. now, that being said, we're in this area because this is where residents have been coming, trying to get access to their homes to get basic necessities out of their homes because they know they won't be able to go home for quite a long time, get medicine, things like that, and also just see how their homes are doing. you notice it's pretty empty here right now. that is because today, after a line of cars had arrived, a police car drove by on loudspeaker telling them there would be no police escorts back into the mandatory evacuation areas today. residents have been very frustrated by that. but fire officials say it is about safety. they say that they cannot ensure the safety of residents, and because of that, they can't let people go back to their homes right now. and with the winds expected to be picking up throughout the beginning of this week, it's unlikely they'll be able to return home, at least in the coming days. they are still, though, firefighters, teams just on the ground, constantly working, trying to push these fires back, get things under control so maybe people can start to see their

homes and process what has happened and hopefully get on the road to rebuilding. but it's such, such a long road ahead. eamon. >> yeah. >> alison, let me ask you if i can about the housing situation right now with those that have been evacuated. are we seeing an influx like what we see sometimes in the immediate aftermath of hurricanes, any kind of federal response to allow for makeshift homes? or are people pretty much right now out on their own, either with relatives, friends, other community members, or having to leave the city to hotels where they can? >> so anecdotally, most people we have spoken to have either gone to hotels on their own, they are staying with friends or other family members finding accommodations on their own. we know airbnb has offered to help people, and a lot of people have been reaching out, getting resources that way. fema, of course, on the ground, providing resources through fema.gov. i believe it's backslash individual backslash assistance, but it's on those websites there. most people we've spoken to, though, they're relying on each other. and that's one thing

people keep talking about, is how this community is really surrounding people who have been impacted by this opening their doors, taking them in. but a lot of people, they are going sort of day by day. we met one woman today. she and her fiance live in the pacific palisades. they moved in a while ago with their 81 year old, one of the women's 81 year old mother, to care for her as she was aging. but they were talking to us. they said, you know, there's this narrative about the pacific palisades that it's a lot of celebrities and rich people. and they said, but there are also a lot of us who have been here for decades. that 81 year old, her name is judy. she bought that house 42 years ago. they said paying for it even now, it's difficult. the one woman, she works at a nonprofit, the other she works at a at a storage unit facility. and they told me really? point blank, they said, we can't afford to really go anywhere else. they got word that a friend had a place that was empty and that they would let them stay through july, and she said it was just a godsend because they were staying in a hotel trying to figure out where they go from here, because they

didn't feel like they had a whole lot of options. and everybody, so many people are looking for help right now. eamon. yeah, indeed. >> it is going to be a long road ahead. allison barber starting us off this hour. allison thank you. as always. stay safe. it is worth reminding ourselves that we have yet to see the full scope of the devastation across la. this is already one of the worst natural disasters in u.s. history, and we have no idea what is coming this week with heavy winds in the forecast. latest figures from california show more than 12,300 structures. as we just mentioned earlier, now totally destroyed. that's everything. that's homes, businesses, schools, places of worship, all of it destroyed. all of it at some point must be rebuilt to bring people back. the question, of course, how one la public public adjusting firm examined other states that have battled fire events and estimates it could take years for victims in la to simply resolve their claims, assuming they had insurance in the first place. as victims head into this fight, insurance industry experts are urging them to stand

their ground. as my next guest writes, think of it like a business transaction. give your insurance company the chance to do the right thing, but don't be a pushover and have your eyes open. no one is going to come in with a magic wand. with me now is amy bach, executive director of the united policyholders group, which advocates on behalf of consumers. amy, it's great to have you on the show. let's start with the situation that we're seeing that victims might be facing here. what are the biggest red flags that you are seeing so far when it comes to insurance claims? the insurance companies in a situation like this, have you ever seen anything this drastic? >> so i mean, we are my organization has been bringing our roadmap to recovery program to wildfire impacted communities since 1991. so we've seen some big ones. this is obviously the record breaker. and it's just it's just sort of hard to get your mind around the level of destruction for most of the people impacted. hopefully will

be insured and for them, you know, we hope it won't be a fight. we have lots of resources. there's lots of resources out there to help people, you know, get what they're entitled to get what they paid for. we do know, though, that because the state has been in the grip of a home insurance affordability and availability crisis, there's going to be more people that are uninsured here that fell through the cracks. there's going to be more people who are underinsured than we normally see. so we all have a lot of work to do to support this community. >> governor newsom, amy has signed an executive order that suspends permitting and review requirements as mandated under california law. how does that help victims, if at all, and communities begin the process of rebuilding? i mean, is it too soon to even be talking about rebuilding when we're still very much in the process of fighting this blaze? >> well, we know from history that people are going to want to rebuild. most people are going to want to come back. that is

the human, you know, human nature. and so there's going to be a lot of innovation brought to this. you know, for the people who are underinsured, there may be some group rebuilding that goes on. we did a lot of that in san diego after the big wildfires there, where people buy materials in bulk to try to save money. and they have, you know, cookie cutter plans and all that. you know, i don't want to sugarcoat this. this is a horrible situation. on the other hand, the insurance companies that are on the hook here, they've got the financial resources to do this. and there are some very important laws that california put into place to get those insurance dollars to the victims quickly so that they can start to make good decisions and feel, you know, get a little bit secure. i mean, right now everyone's just in the devastation, overwhelmed, disoriented phase. so it is a little early to be, you know, making predictions. but but one thing i know is that the human spirit is tenacious and people will be battling to come back to their communities and rebuild. and it's amazing to see the kind

of progress people can make. but it is not going to be within months or years. it's going to be, you know, probably at least five years before you start to see, you know, the green come back. >> let me ask you, broadly speaking, for our viewers who may not be familiar with california's insurance market, broadly speaking, i mean, companies were denying coverage to homes over the past several months as the drought was intensifying in some of these areas. just to explain how and why that is allowed to happen. i mean, you know, can we expect the situation to get worse in the years ahead? could they be looking at this and after experiencing something like this, say, hey, this is just not something we're prepared to do given the scale and the nature of the destruction. >> well, you know, i've been in insurance consumer advocate now for four decades, and we have never seen market conditions like what we're what we've been seeing across the united states and in california. so we've been struggling to find a balance. you know, i think we rely heavily on a for profit

industry. many of these companies are publicly traded. they have shareholders, and they have been reacting hard to the specter of climate change, the specter of this type of an event happening. and they have been pulling back. and so, you know, we're going to this this disaster is probably going to be a game changer. it's not just going to be a game changer for the people who and the communities that are being impacted. but it it's likely to bring some long term shifts because we already had a situation where insurers had already said, you know, we don't like this picture. we don't like wildfire risk. you know, we've heard them say that about a lot of other risks they got out of, you know, the requirement to sell earthquake. they got out of the requirement to sell flood at some point. you know, it may we may be in a situation where the private sector is not going to be continuing to provide this layer of financial security, and we're going to have some sort of hybrid public, private, you know, insurance system. we're not there yet, but this situation may kick us into that. >> and let me ask you, finally,

i mean, we heard your advice at the top there to stand firm, but what else would you say to fire victims who are about to call their insurance companies? and more importantly, is there a disparity along socioeconomic and racial lines in the way these fires affect those that are insured or don't have insurance or are underinsured? >> well, of course, you know, people who have, you know, have financial means in addition to their insurance are in a better position because if their insurer is stringing them along and delaying, you know, they can survive. you know, for the people who are wholly reliant on insurance funds to pay for their temporary housing, you know, a lot of them are going to have to be either, you know, pushing hard. and, you know, we my organization has a lot of free resources on our website. up help. org i encourage people to go. we have a special library for this wildfire with all kinds of tools, resources, leads, etc. so i mean, our advice to people is get informed, understand that you're dealing with a for profit

company and you're the one who has the biggest interest in making sure that your assets get replaced and that you get the full value of the financial protection that you bought when you when you paid for that insurance. that said, we will be putting as much pressure as we can on insurance companies and as will the insurance commissioner and elected officials and the governor to say, hey, let's get creative here. if you can get those dollars to people faster without a whole lot of paperwork, let's do it. >> all right, amy bach, thank you so much. this is a story that we're going to keep our eyes on, because i'm sure it's going to be a story that stays with us for the next several months and years as this situation unfolds. thank you so much for your time and your insights. >> thank you amy. >> next up on the political side, the trump confirmation side, the trump confirmation fights (♪♪) hi neighbor! you switched to t-mobile home internet yet? trim your hedge. it's $35 bucks a month with no price hikes! bam! it runs on t-mobile's wireless 5g network,

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that job, and he just does not seem to have the qualifications. >> i think it's in the nominee. mr. s best interests, if he wants to be confirmed for this job, for us to have all the information, you know, the information from these organizations, but also the fbi background check, a busy week ahead in the senate confirmation hearings officially kick off tuesday for a number of donald trump's cabinet picks. >> but as you just heard, senate democrats have lingering questions about the president's elect's most controversial nominees. and there are a few of them. the fbi recently briefed the top members of the senate armed services committee on pete hegseth. background check his confirmation hearing to run the department of defense is tuesday. as we just heard from senator kelly, the results of the fbi's probe have not been shown to other members of the committee. and the new york times reports that some democrats are concerned they will not see the findings before the hearing. that faces allegations of sexual assault

and financial misconduct. he, of course, has denied both. with me now is msnbc justice and legal affairs analyst anthony coley and msnbc contributor susanne craig, investigative reporter as well at the new york times. it's great to have both of you with us. anthony, i'll start with you. this 25 member committee. yeah. it doesn't have to review its background check in order for him, you know, to get the process going, if you will, to proceed with the nomination, should they be able to? should the senator should the public be able to review all of the information that is available on this guy? without a doubt. >> and let me just start by saying i worked for three us senators. i mean, the posture for most us senators is to let an incoming president just make it make out their own batting order. >> right. but that presumes that the nominee is qualified. >> this guy is laughably unqualified. and so the challenge here for democrats is and we were talking about this a little bit before the break. >> the challenge here is how do you what do you do when you don't have the votes to stop it?

>> right. >> and so i think what we're seeing going into this hearing, we see democrats framing the debate. and then they're going to be making making republicans own it when it doesn't come through, when it when they can't stop it. and so yeah, i think that's where we are. and i think we're going to be expecting some fireworks come wednesday. >> senator elizabeth warren suzanne has called pete hegseth unfit to run the d.o.d, as we just also heard there from senator kelly. in a letter to the nominee, she outlined ten areas of concern more than 70 questions. she told hegseth, quote, your confirmation as secretary of defense would be detrimental to our national security and disrespect a diverse array of service members who are willing to sacrifice for our country. what's the picture you think we'll see painted this week on capitol hill? these confirmation hearings for people who were all nominated by a convicted felon. but what's the what's the picture you think that democrats are trying to paint with some of these folks, right? >> i mean, we've got 12 coming

up just this week, and there's going to be more than 50 total. >> it's going to be a week. >> but i think spotlight this week is definitely going to be on pete hegseth. >> and i think elizabeth warren's letter to me really does set the tone just for the battle that's coming. >> it it hits on all of the issues that we've now read about about him, whether it be, you know, the heavy drinking, the allegations of fraud at his charity. there's a number of things that he is going to be questioned on, including, you know, he has said that women shouldn't be in combat. so and i think, you know, she said in her letter, i'm deeply concerned by the many ways in which your behavior and rhetoric indicates that you are unfit to lead the department of defense. >> i think people have to kind of pick their spot, and i think the dems in particular are really going to take a swipe at him this week. >> and i think you're looking at a couple of senators, too. we don't know necessarily where it's going to go. i think he's got a tricky road to get ahead. you've got joni ernst, you know,

she's a former army national commander. >> a lot of people look to her. >> they respect her. we don't know where she's going to go. >> she hasn't come out publicly. susan collins also has not come out publicly and said how she's going to vote. so i think that's sort of immediately where all the attention is going to be. it's going to be on that hearing starting tuesday morning. >> yeah. and i'm going to get your thoughts, both of you, on on how the democrats kind of choose and pick which ones they really kind of lean into here. but let me ask you about pam bondi. you and i were talking about this a little bit during the commercial break. this is somebody who, you know, believed in the big lie. she advocated for it. she's definitely not somebody who felt the elections were free and fair in 2020. but let me play for you what senator katie britt had to say about her nomination. i'll get your thoughts to it. take a listen. >> when i talked with pam bondi, she committed to me to getting back to doing the job of the people, to getting back to doing what the department was, was created to do. so whether we're talking about the ag, whether we're talking about the fbi, whether they're talking about the department of defense,

people want these these agencies, these departments to actually work for the american people. >> so you've got this like buckets, if you will. on one hand, you got the pete hegseth, kash patel, who you worry about from their backgrounds, their behavior, their views, their worldviews. and then you have somebody like pam bondi who may not be you may not have any skeletons in her closet, but promoted and amplified the big lie, which fundamentally seems undemocratic and undermines our democracy. >> that's true. >> but there is a common denominator here to the common denominator here is loyalty to donald trump. and i'm not talking about loyalty in the traditional sense of the word. amen. i'm talking about loyalty in terms of blind obedience. donald trump wants somebody as attorney general, as defense secretary throughout his cabinet, who will do exactly what he wants, despite what the courts say, despite what the law says. and so, as for pam bondi, on paper, yeah, she seems qualified. she's a two time elected attorney general in the state of florida. she's been 18

years as a state prosecutor. like she looks the part. but to your point, she didn't just embrace the big lie, she promoted the big lie. she was on the ground in pennsylvania talking about fake ballots that didn't exist. and so for me, that is the bright red line. and people are not paying attention to pam bondi. but we are on the cusp of putting in place an election denier, someone as the as the nation's chief law enforcement officer, as the nation's top lawyer. and so like we were the other thing we were talking about before the break, you know, i worked on the gore campaign 24, 25 years ago, 24 years ago. and when the supreme court decided that al gore, when they ruled against him, that was the end of it, right? he didn't burn it down like donald trump and his, his, his, his acolytes wanted to do. pam bondi was on the ground in pennsylvania

embracing the big lie. and so she is she she is she too is unqualified for this role. >> let me get your thoughts on kash patel, suzanne, because many officials have opposed his nomination, saying that he would weaponize the department for trump's retribution tour. we just heard the combination. if you take pam bondi, what anthony was just saying, you marry that with somebody like kash patel running our law enforcement agencies. you i mean, it's dangerous no matter how you look at it. these people should not be anywhere near law enforcement. but here we are. and you quite literally wrote the book on how donald trump loves to pass the buck. what plays out when one of these horribly underqualified cabinet picks turns out to be, in fact, horrible and at the same time obediently loyal to donald trump? >> well, i think you're going to have a situation where you know these people to a number, to a percentage of the population, are are just distasteful. >> so i think you have to say, though, donald trump is coming in as president and these are his picks. and so you're going

to have to when you're looking at it from the senate's point of view, they're going to have to decide and they're going to have to pick their spots. >> and i think we're going to see pete hegseth, potentially. >> i think kash patel, there's been a lot of talk about him and his enemies list and the retribution issue. and then i think the other one i really have my eye on is robert f kennedy jr. >> he he is going to be facing, i think, real headwinds on issue on the vaccine. i think there's other issues around him. but i think when it comes down to it, it's going to be both. >> what is he said on vaccines, what is he plan to do? and i think the work, you know, my, my colleagues at the new york times broke that story about one of his lawyers, aaron siri, who's been advising him and has been a counsel to him for some time, who actually has tried to have the vaccine for the polio, the polio vaccine revoked. and i think that that really has set off a number of people, you know, robert f kennedy jr has views on vaccines. and then the polio vaccine, i think was just

even next level. and he's going to get a lot of questions on his views. he's now saying he would not want to take the polio vaccine from people, but he has said other things in the past that would suggest that he has deep concerns, not just about all vaccines, but about the polio vaccine. and i think he's going to have trouble. i think on the one hand, i think you can there's some democrats who maybe seem open to him. some of his ideas do seem palatable. you know, he talks about fitness and health and talks a lot about questions, i think rightly ultra processed foods. but i think for him, it's just going to come down to this issue of vaccinations. >> suzanne. craig, anthony, you're going to have two busy weeks ahead of you as these hearings get underway. get some rest. it's going to be the days are going to be long. i have a feeling that we're going to be seeing a lot of memes and viral moments from these hearings, a lot of soundbites that are just going to just go viral for a variety of reasons. so thank you very much. greatly appreciate all of your insights on this important subject coming up.

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helicopters, bulldozers, water tenders across all of southern california. in los angeles, orange county, ventura county, riverside county, san bernardino county, and san diego county all poised to assist and support the additional fire threat. >> with that, let's get a quick update from nbc meteorologist denise isaac. denise. so obviously, we're looking into the week ahead, all concerns about these winds that are coming in and how that might complicate these efforts to contain the fires. >> yes. >> and we are talking about the winds picking up as soon as tonight. so currently our winds aren't as bad. it is breezy out there, especially near the palisades fire and the eaton fire. but it's mainly, let's say, lighter winds because we're tracking anywhere between 3 to 10mph. but as i put my graphic in motion here, you can see that overnight they ramp up once again. you see that purple

coloring. those are 40 mile per hour winds. and that's ahead of another area of low pressure that will come in and intensify our winds. so we do have red flag warnings in place all the way. now expanded north of oxnard down towards el cajon, escondido. so that's near baja california. red flag warning just means that the vegetation is extremely dry. humidity levels are anywhere between 5 to 15%. and with these strong winds, if we do see some flare ups, they will spread rapidly. so tomorrow's risk expands from oxnard down to riverside, temecula as well, and escondido, where we do have that critical risk even along the ocean side carlsbad, san diego, chula vista, that's really near the ocean. the humidity levels there are expected to drop to about 15% over the next three days. so this area of high pressure will come in tomorrow night into tuesday. it will develop into

the great basin, and then we'll have these northeasterly winds, downsloping winds that will intensify and bring in some warmer air from the mountains because it will really compress. and we'll talk about 40 to 70 mile per hour winds monday night into tuesday and even wednesday. this is usually the rainy season in california, believe it or not. but what's happening is that we have a ridge over the west allowing all storm system to pretty much move towards canada and the pacific northwest. we're not seeing the moisture that we usually tend to see towards northern or southern california, so this just means that it will stay bone dry pretty much this week and even into next weekend. ian, back to you. >> a very dangerous combination. nbc's denise isaac with that update. thank you so much, denise. up next, overseas, what happened to a hospital director in gaza last seen walking alone towards an israeli tank. and next hour, elie mystal on what to make of the supreme court

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>> the boy on the bed dies. >> the israeli military claimed it attacked the hospital because it was a terrorist hub, and shared photos of what they claim are guns they found in the hospital. but the raid on the hospital and the detention of doctor abu safiya was strongly condemned by the world health organization and other members of the international medical community. it has now been more than two weeks since the doctor was detained, and members of the medical community around the world are protesting, calling for his immediate release. israel claims they are investigating him for links to terrorism, but his crime appears to be his defiance. in fact, his refusal to abandon his patients and abandon gaza. keep in mind, in all of the war crime charges against israel, many claims are that there are systemic attacks against gaza's medical system and specifically medical workers. while israel has vehemently denied all of these charges and claims it is only targeting hamas, there's

overwhelming evidence to the contrary. so that's why doctor abu safiya and his courage and his defiance are seen as threats. if israel's goal is to make it impossible for palestinians to live in gaza, as some have alleged, as both doctors without borders and amnesty international and human rights watch have documented, then yes, someone who saves lives for a living is a threat. and what makes doctor abu safiya's courage even more noteworthy is that during an israeli raid of his hospital back in october, his son was among those killed by israel. here he is praying over him during a service a month later. doctor abu safiya was himself injured in an israeli drone strike. it is hard to imagine anyone being more dedicated to their profession than a doctor staying in gaza to serve their patients, which makes it all the more enraging that doctor hussam abu safiya was kidnaped and is now being detained by israel. and late this week, lawyers advocating on the doctor's

behalf announced that his detention by israel is now extended until february 13th and that he is barred from meeting his lawyer until january 22nd. and, alarmingly, his whereabouts remain unknown. at first, there were reports that he was being held at the infamous tzalmon prison, which has been documented by human rights groups and media organizations for regular use of torture on palestinian detainees. and now lawyers representing him believe he is in ofer prison, which has also been documented for cases of torture and humiliation of palestinian detainees. and the story of doctor abu safiya got much more tragic this week. his mother died of a heart attack. the news was shared by his family on doctor safiya's personal instagram account. and if you're wondering how this could be allowed to happen, not just because of the civilian casualties, but the attacks on doctors, i want to show you a headline this week from the new york times. whenever israel attacks a school or a hospital, the idf claims, often without evidence, that it is a hamas stronghold. well, because doctor

safiya is a well-known and respected doctor, they've been forced to provide some evidence. so they've now released a video of what they claim was an interrogation of a hamas militant, admitting that they were operating out of the hospital. keep in mind, there's no proof of this. and this video is unverified. and yet, this is how the new york times framed this story. an israeli video detainee says hamas operates out of gaza hospital and the subheadline reads facing international condemnation and pressure to free the chief of kamal adwan hospital, israel released a brief interrogation video backing up its claim that militants used the hospital as a base. but it's not until the third paragraph that you actually read this. the new york times was not able to independently verify the claims made in the video, or to determine the circumstances under which the detainee made the admission. there are many reasons why israel gets away with attacks on civilians and on doctors, and headlines like

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amnesty international calls doctor abu safiya the voice of gaza's decimated health sector. medical professionals around the world are protesting and calling for his immediate release. i'm joined now by another doctor who has served in gaza. doctor ahmed. he is an emergency medicine physician and gaza emergency response volunteer. he has traveled to gaza on several medical missions and recently spent three weeks volunteering at nasser hospital in grand yunis. doctor ahmed, it's great to have you back on the show. i know that you knew doctor abu safiya. and you know that specific hospital, kamal adwan hospital, where he practiced. tell us a little bit about him. tell us a little bit about that hospital. based on what you saw and what you personally know. >> well, you know, doctor hussam was one of those guys who refused to leave as the israeli military was decimating the north. kamal adwan hospital is right next to jabalia refugee camp, where you see that there is a lot of military activity out there. >> and if you actually look back at doctor hassan's media statements, he's written two op

eds in the new york times, october 2023, and then most recently in december, because he was very concerned about this hospital being shut down. it's a pediatric hospital in the north that he personally helped build up. and you mentioned all of the sacrifices that he's had to make. in october, when ibrahim, his oldest son, was killed, i messaged him and i was offering him condolences because i saw how much he was struggling with it, and he responded with videos of where that strike happened on the hospital compound, and then videos of kids recovering in the icu up there asking me and asking everybody else to share it with the entire world what was going down. keep in mind, doctor hassan is a dual citizen. he's had multiple opportunities to flee to safety, to take himself and his family to safety, and he's lost his son in the process. and you mentioned him getting injured. and the entire time he's only been advocating for his patients. and what really troubles me is this normalization of attacking health care workers, of destroying hospitals. there's more than a thousand health care

workers that have been killed in these last 16 months, and the entire health care system has been decimated. and so kamal adwan itself, that pediatric hospital has been raided by the israeli military three separate times in the last 16 months. doctor hussam had been held and questioned before and released. what does that say about what the israeli military is doing? i mean, is kamal adwan really some sort of militant stronghold, or are they just trying to clear the area and get the people who are living in the north, away from where they are living and heading towards the south? i mean, it's really tragic situation when you lose a pediatric hospital, when you lose a hospital that can take care of all of these kids that are being injured and losing their limbs and losing their lives as a result of what's happening here. i mean, you're just essentially guaranteeing that the death toll is going to skyrocket. and that's, you know, what doctor hassan was trying to communicate to the world. and he's a hero in every sense of the word. absolutely. but what i'm worried about is that there's not going to be a happy ending here. >> you talked about the normalization of violence

against medical workers when you volunteered in gaza. did you ever feel, you know, as a doctor that you may be targeted by the israeli military, that your life was in imminent danger? >> ayman i was at nasser hospital in january when the israeli military falsely claimed through a tweet that a rocket had been fired from the compound. you know, we can't move around when we go volunteer in gaza. we have to stay in the hospital. we're there 24 over seven. there was no rocket that was fired. but sure enough, just like what happened to shifa, just like what happened to al ahli hospital. just like what's happening to kamal al-din? the israeli military showed up to that hospital and we had to evacuate from it. and we watched as that hospital became decimated. nasser is the second largest hospital in gaza, and at the time when i was there, it was the largest remaining hospital because shifa had already been raided and destroyed. and i had to watch my colleagues that i worked with get detained, get abducted, and some of whom were killed and lost their lives and had to be buried in the compound. so there is every single person that goes to gaza, all of the volunteers,

all of the local palestinian health care workers who are showing up every single day. there is absolutely this sense of fear knowing that there is no red line when it comes to doctors and hospitals. in fact, just last week there is a young doctor, a young woman. her name is thabet salim. she was working in the newborn nursery and she went home after her shift to nusseirat refugee camp and was killed in a missile strike. i mean, she had dreams of becoming a neonatologist, of specializing in serving her people, and she's one of several who've been killed. and if you don't get killed, if you're lucky enough to survive, there's a good chance that you can be abducted. just like doctor hassan, more than 250 doctors are in israeli dungeons. and, you know, everyone knows the story of doctor adnan birx, famous orthopedic surgeon from shifa hospital, was found dead in the courtyard of ofer prison, where they think doctor hassan is now naked. you know, this is this is the reality. >> let me ask you about this new study that was published in the lancet medical journal this week, estimating that the death toll in gaza during the first

nine months of the war was about 40% higher than the numbers recorded by the palestinian territories health ministry in gaza, estimating 64,260 deaths due to traumatic injury during this period. the study said 59.1% were women and children, and people over the age of 65. from your medical expertise, how do you assess these attempts to quantify the loss of life in gaza? >> well, i think it underscores a major point here. it's that the death toll that we're hearing from the ministry of health in gaza is not accurate, and it's an undercount. and we're trying to use all of the information that we can satellite imagery. we're trying to estimate based on the conditions on the ground, the bombing that's taking place, the famine that's broken out. we're trying to figure out what that number looks like, but we know that it's astronomically higher. and so this is the this is the point of us trying to communicate to the world, hey, what you're hearing, it's actually much, much worse. and one thing i point out as well is the famine early warning system has suggested this is a usaid

organization that's funded. it's suggesting that famine is hitting very hard in the north right now as well. so those numbers that you saw in the lancet, in terms of 69,000, if there's not food that enters in and there's not this ceasefire that takes place, those numbers are going to continue to rise, and we're going to be left with an apocalyptic scene in gaza. >> all right. doctor ahmed, doctor ahmed, thank you so much for joining us. and again, i greatly appreciate your insights as always. >> thank you, amy. appreciate it. >> and one quick programing note tomorrow, andrea mitchell, my colleague sits down with secretary of state antony blinken. with just days left for the blinken and biden administration. you can catch that conversation on andrea mitchell reports starting at noon eastern only on msnbc, a noon easubject 1: who'snbc, a new coming in the driveway?ter a subject 2: dad! dad! dad, we missed you! daddy, hi! subject 3: goodness! my daughter is being treated for leukemia.

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