and start controlling your body odor better everywhere. >> that'll do it for me. thanks for watching and thanks for watching all year as we mark our first anniversary in this time slot. time flies. i even forgot i'll be back next saturday and sunday at 6 p.m. eastern. follow us on instagram, tiktok and threads using the handle at weekend capehart and blue sky weekend capehart and blue sky using at capehart, jaclyn reagan: i couldn't believe it. the first thing out of my mouth was there's no way he did this. there's no way. they have the wrong guy. craig melvin (voiceover): her mother was nearly killed by a bomb. connie hoagland: i remember coming out to the truck, put in the key and then kaboom.

and the police told me this bomb was meant for you. josh mankiewicz: and they say to you who does not like you enough to try to kill you? connie hoagland: i could think of no one. craig melvin (voiceover): but police could. and if the target was a surprise, so was the suspect. connie hoagland: it's like, whoa, it's you. craig melvin (voiceover): but he claimed he was framed and a man named indian joe could prove it. even he admitted his story sounded crazy. larry hoagland: if i were the guy out there watching dateline,i wouldn't believe this. it's like watching a tv show. josh mankiewicz: and you're telling us to go search for the one-armed man? larry hoagland: yes. craig melvin (voiceover): well we found indian joe. josh mankiewicz: that's all true? indian joe: oh, yeah, that's all true. craig melvin (voiceover): what else would we find? larry hoagland: there's a maniac out there. craig melvin (on cam): hello and welcome to dateline. family and faith were everything to connie hoagland,

a devoted mother of three and wife of a church leader. so when a car bomb shattered life as she knew it, investigators were baffled. the motive remained a mystery until a stunning twist led detectives in a direction that was hard to believe even for connie herself. here's josh mankiewicz with deadly intent. josh mankiewicz: you're looking at the life of the hoagland family of san diego played out in brief... moments stretching across the years, from the prosaic to the profound... that's the mom, connie just after she gave birth to son jonathan... larry hoagland: okay look over here guys, one, two three. good one. josh mankiewicz: here he is six years later after losing a tooth. larry hoagland: hey jonathan that's a great smile you have there. josh mankiewicz: this is oldest daughter

jill, learning to play golf. larry hoagland: that's a nice one jill. josh mankiewicz: and this is her little sister jaclyn. today, the kids are grown. when we met them, jill had a child of her own, jaclyn had gotten married and jonathan graduated from high school. looking back, the childhood they described was one of stability and routine. jonathan hoagland: just normal, happy family i would say-- jaclyn reagan: uh-huh -- jonathan hoagland: it would be, i guess-- jaclyn reagan: we'd go to church on sundays. we would have movie nights, family vacation that we would take. and it was usually disneyland, which is our favorite. everything was just as a family. everything was perfect. josh mankiewicz: they loved each other and they had-- jaclyn reagan: uh-huh -- josh mankiewicz: --a great marriage? jaclyn reagan: uh-huh -- jonathan hoagland: oh yeah. jaclyn reagan: exactly. josh mankiewicz: the patriarch of the hoagland family, larry, was a leader in their church and a professional photographer who can be heard off-camera, gently directing his children through these precious kodak moments. young girl: dad jonathan: that was good.

keep goin.. jaclyn reagan: i always remember gettin' sick of it. 'cause i just wanted to have fun. and we had to always pause and take a picture, which kinda got annoying after a while. but-- looking back, it's nice to see the pictures, i guess. josh mankiewicz: the mom, connie, loved being with her kids so much so that as grew older, she found a job taking care of toddlers at this day care home. but on september the 23rd, 2010--as connie was leaving her job for the day... her life and family were quite literally blown apart. news report: a thunderous explosion rocks an east county neighborhood. teddy williams: the first thing i said to myself when i heard the explosion was oh my goodness what was that? josh mankiewicz: teddy williams is the owner of the day care home. teddy williams: so i ran out the gate... i come to this point and i stopped because connie's car is rolling at full speed and smacks into my van.

i ran around her truck and this is where i found connie. right here on her side in the street. josh mankiewicz: connie hoagland was her best friend. teddy williams: connie was laying on her side, curled up in a ball i rolled her over there was glass. there was shrapnel. there was shards of metal everywhere. everywhere josh mankiewicz: teddy knew all the hoagland family's cell phone numbers and she was the one who broke the news. jaclyn reagan: i was driving and -- and she said that there was an explosion, and my mom's truck blew up. and so i immediately pulled over, stopped, and-- called my dad to ask him, what's goin' on? what-- w-- what do we do? josh mankiewicz: what did he say? jaclyn reagan: he said, i just heard, too. i don't really know all the details. josh mankiewicz: the hoagland family gathered at u.c. san diego medical center where connie had been taken for emergency surgery. jaclyn reagan: we got to quickly see her-- rush from the hallway

into surgery. it was probably ten seconds. and i just remember tellin' her,i love you,and her, k-- you know, being awake but kinda being out of it. and then that was it. jonathan hoagland: seeing her like that, and all the wires coming out of her, and the bags hanging, and the blood, and all that, it was very, very shocking. taken back. i almost felt sick. josh mankiewicz: what did you think had happened? jaclyn reagan: i thought her truck malfunctioned. we didn't know-- was it-- was it an accident? and was it the gas tank? what's goin' on? i didn't know-- what exactly had happened. josh mankiewicz: by now, though, investigators knew this explosion was no accident... because they found bomb fragments embedded inside connie's truck. making it clear this was an intentional act--a car bomb--which got investigators wondering if it was the work of terrorists. robert luke: almost immediately, when we came on scene, we made a plan of how we wanted to-- sweep the area.

and what we were doing was looking for secondary devices, so we didn't walk into an area and actually get hit by another device of some sort. josh mankiewicz: robert luke of the san diego county sheriff's bomb squad and atf agent matt beals were the lead investigators. they quickly learned that something about the day care may have made it a target. matt beals: well, in that particular daycare center, we were aware that there were other law enforcement officials who had their children-- in that particular home during the day. josh mankiewicz: was it possible someone was out to kill cops and their kids? if so, connie--who always parked in front of the day care home-- could have been the perfect, yet unwitting, delvery system for the bomb. robert luke: they were lookin' for any known or-- or suspected domestic terrorists or possible watch list-type people that may be in the area. josh mankiewicz: no question that this was an ied, an improvised explosive device?

matt beals: no. josh mankiewicz: and suddenly they had more questions after they ran connie's address... and discovered that in her neighborhood--two weeks earlier--police had found another bomb... craig melvin: two bombs with one explosive connection. investigators discover this attack was personal. craig melvin (voiceover): coming up had connie or her family been targeted before? john wood: we're like, wow, this is for real. craig melvin (voiceover): when dateline continues. josh mankiewicz: when connie hoagland's truck ok, noah's going to make a fire. our job is to let him do it...by himself. what kind of wood you got there? gregggg! it is important to challenge young homeowners turning into their parents. -mm... -oh! -not a great start. -you got to turn it. you got to turn it. doesn't look structurally sound here. tom! they can't help themselves. -a fire starter?! -you know cavemen, they built fires with nothing

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was hidden in a fedex envelope. but what really got everyone's attention was the detonator... linked to a cell phone. josh mankiewicz: and that, to you, says what? captain john wood: this is somebody that can build the bomb and can sit there from anywhere in the world and set it off. anchor: we have breaking news. a bomb squad investigates a suspicious object in rolando. josh mankiewicz: taking no chances, they sent in a robot... to disarm the bomb. squad member: fire in the hole josh mankiewicz: a firefighter was then put in one of those famous suits to make a final safety check ... and found the cell-phone detonator had 18 missed calls. only a broken wire had prevented the bomb from going off. captain john wood: and we were, like, wow. this is for real. josh mankiewicz: police ran the phone numbers, of course... but they belonged to untraceable throw-away phones available almost anywhere. the bomber or bombers had left no trace of themselves.

detective chris everett: no fingerprints. no dna. josh mankiewicz: the only real clues were found on the fedex envelope--duct tape and soot-- suggesting the bomb might have fallen off the underside of a car... and so... two weeks later... when connie's truck blew up at the daycare home... investigators immediately wondered... were these two sophisticated bombs really the work of terrorists... or was all this personal? robert luke: we went through all those gamuts and we had a lot of people just going out and chasing every lead there was to try to get this stuff done. josh mankiewicz: and ... while he was still at the crime scene... detective luke had what seemed to be an odd visit... from an old colleague, eric stalnaker. the former commander of the san diego fire department bomb squad, ...that's luke to the left of your screen and stalnaker to the far right. robert luke: he was the first one to contact me

as soon as i got on the scene, and i says, what are you doin' here? he tells me he had retired to colorado. came back to visit some friends here in town and he heard about the bomb and he came over to try to assist us-- tell us. josh mankiewicz: and there was one more thing... robert luke: he turns out to be an acquaintance of the hoagland family, so he knew the victim and the husband. first thing that popped into my mind is we have a bombing here, we have a bomb guy on-scene that's retired and now he's also-- has some nexus to do with the family. matt beals: that was definitely a curve ball. josh mankiewicz: john wood was bomb squad commander then and had the same unsettling concerns. capt john wood: he's one of our own sittin' there and we're goin', wow. why did he show up? now he just became a suspect. josh mankiewicz: this is-- this guy used to have your job? captain john wood: exactly. josh mankiewicz: before you? captain john wood: he was the one who appointed me after i left. josh mankiewicz: so, everybody here knows him? captain john wood: yup. josh mankiewicz: trusts him? likes him? captain john wood: yup. josh mankiewicz: and he's a friend of the family. and he'd know how to make that device. captain john wood: exactly. josh mankiewicz: stalnaker, though, had a tip, offering up a possible suspect---connie

hoagland's ex-son-in-law who, stalnaker claimed, may have had it in for the family. matt beals: that was absolutely a lead that we needed to go out and follow up on immediately, you josh mankiewicz: because he was the only person that anybody could think of who didn't like connie and larry? matt beals: exactly or so we were, you know, told and led to believe. josh mankiewicz: so beals hit the road... bound for vegas and a meeting with connie's son-in-law. matt beals: he didn't have a negative thing to say about connie in any way, shape or form. josh mankiewicz: just as important, the son-in-law had a solid alibi. matt beals: we corroborated his story as to where he was and he had receipts to back up that he was at a store at one time, and-- and clearly not in san diego. not in california and his alibi all checked out. josh mankiewicz: all of which put the guy who fingered him, stalnaker, under even more suspicion. meanwhile investigators put connie's truck up on a lift for a closer inspection. and in the soot dust on the floor pan they saw an outline the size of a fedex envelope...framed

in traces of duct tape-- the imprint of the earlier unexploded bomb. hardening their suspicion that whoever built the bombs was targeting connie or her family. matt beals: this appeared for all intents and purposes to be directed at one person. whoever the driver of that truck was, and in this case connie. josh mankiewicz: back at the hospital... the hoagland family--holding a vigil by connie's bedside --was unaware there was a criminal investigation underway... until luke and beals paid them a visit. jaclyn reagan: and they asked, you know, if she had any enemies, if anyone would want to hurt her, if we could think of anybody. and i couldn't think of anybody. there wasn't anybody. josh mankiewicz: i'm guessing that the only thing stranger than hearing that your mom has been the victim of an explosion is hearing that it was not an accident and that it-- jaclyn reagan: uh-huh josh mankiewicz: --was directed at her specifically. jaclyn reagan: --i said, what?

i-- i-- i couldn't-- i-- i didn't believe it. i didn't understand (noise) it. and i just-- i just started crying 'cause i didn't know who could do that, who would want to do that. josh mankiewicz: what made a strange case all the more baffling occurred four days after the bombing....when a large fedex box was delivered to this san diego area high school ... addressed to one of their students....his name... jonathan hoagland..that got san diego's bomb squads scrambling... and it got the town's attention. craig melvin (voiceover): coming up, connie hoagland, wife, mother and survivor. connie hoagland: i remember coming out to the truck, put in the key and then kaboom. connie hoagland: and the police told me, this bomb was meant for you. craig melvin (voiceover): but who was trying to kill her? when dateline continues. (♪♪) it's time to say “not so fast, chronic kidney disease.” because with a progressive disease like ckd,

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to have the hard conversations. >> morning joe weekdays 6 to 10 on msnbc. it's monday night. >> it's monday everyone. we're happy to have you here on this monday night. what would you do as dnc chair to better communicate with this generation? you feel like the u.s. government is starting to figure out how to do this. everything matters. lots to get to is every monday night like to is every monday night like this. on monday as hoagland month for san diego's busy bomb squads.this picture-perfect family suddenly seemed to be the target of a relentless campaign of terror. first there was the cell phone device, placed inside a fedex pack, found just down the street from the hoagland home. then there was the pipe bomb that detonated inside connie hoagland's pick up...and now there was a mysterious fedex

box addressed to jonathan hoagland but delivered to his high school. high school mom: i guess it had something to do with the car bomb that was- happened last week. it may be from the same person so we're not sure. robert luke: immediately, the school is shut down 'cause now we still wasn't sure who was going to be involved. josh mankiewicz: the box was removed and destroyed.... inside investigators were hoping to find some evidence that could lead them to the bomber... instead... they found....party favors that jonathan had forgotten he had ordered for a school dance. robert luke: something that he was in charge of getting, and he didn't remember it. josh mankiewicz: but it shows everybody's state of mind at the time. robert luke: it was pretty rough. school's closed down. bomb squad's coming out and everything. josh mankiewicz: while this particular event turned out to be a bust in terms of finding any workable evidence... luke and beals believed the bomber had to be somebody who knew the hoaglands.... knew where they worked, where they lived... knew their routines...and...had access to their cars..

the only problem was that connie, a devout christian, mother of three, had no known enemies. but luke and beals had one witness who might be able to shed some light on that part of their investigation... a witness they had yet to question.... connie hoagland. jaclyn reagan: always i had a sense that she was gonna live. i don't know why. but i always knew that she was gonna live. i just didn't know how. josh mankiewicz: sedated... and in icu after having gone through seven different surgeries to save her right foot and left leg. and yet... somehow... still alive. connie hoagland: i remember coming out to the truck put in the key and then kaboom, just a huge explosion. it scared me. i-- first, i thought maybe the air bag went off. josh mankiewicz: smoke, flames? connie hoagland: smoke started filling up. and i looked out the door to-- and i noticed

the truck started to move. and my feet and legs hurt really bad. i could tell, oh, that hurts.but i thought,i have to get outta the truck.so, i pushed the door open, start to get out. i did not wanna see my injuries. it felt so bad, i felt like my feet were blown off. josh mankiewicz: what'd you think had happened? connie hoagland: i don't know. i really- just layin' there i just thought it was a random act. josh mankiewicz: and so, she says she was stunned when investigators first spoke with her in the hospital... connie hoagland: and the police told me, this bomb was meant for you. and that was weird. i couldn't even digest that. like, you're kidding me. josh mankiewicz: and they say to you, who does not like you enough to try to kill you. connie hoagland: they did ask that. i-- i could think of no one. i really don't have any enemies. they said it's somebody who knows the code on your truck, it's-- somebody who knows where you work. josh mankiewicz: who knows your routine? connie hoagland: yes. but it's still nothing

josh mankiewicz: that's not too many people. connie hoagland: no, but i josh mankiewicz: i mean, that's like connie hoagland: --couldn't even think josh mankiewicz: --what, your husband, your kids, and a couple of close friends. connie hoagland: that's true. but who would do that? not them. josh mankiewicz: and standard police procedure is to say after that, so how's your marriage? how's everything in your marriage? connie hoagland: i said, everything's fine. josh mankiewicz: but in her heart she knew... that wasn't quite true. after 25 years of marriage, larry seemed to have grown tired of her. connie hoagland: the last few years weren't that good, but i thought we were still committed and-- just hangin' on to the commitment at that time. josh mankiewicz: did he act like he didn't care about you anymore? connie hoagland: yes. josh mankiewicz: that has to be heartbreaking. connie hoagland: yeah. it was. josh mankiewicz: you ever think about leaving larry? connie hoagland: it never crossed my mind. in the church divorce is really frowned upon. if you can work it out, work it out. josh mankiewicz: how was larry at the hospital? connie hoagland: pretty standoffish.

which was normal for us at that time. josh mankiewicz: the truth is there are a lot of bored husbands out there in suburbia. but few ever go on to try to assassinate their wives... and connie certainly didn't believe that was the case here. neither did detectives. josh mankiewicz: when you first meet larry, was he a suspect? robert luke: no. he was not. he was the victim's husband. we didn't really focus on larry that much. josh mankiewicz: and so ... eric stalnaker... the former bomb squad commander... remained on everyone's radar screen... he was constantly by larry's side at the hospital... and still wanting to pitch in on the investigation. stalnaker: i called some... an investigator friend of mine and said, hey, you know, can i come in and talk with you? josh mankiewicz: detectives thought the time had come to get stalnaker in for questioning. but before they could speak with him they received another phone tip one which would send this investigation in a whole new direction. craig melvin (voiceover): coming up a new direction, a new suspect and finally an arrest.

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close to the married mother of three and they even had someone in mind. but connie told them she was at a loss. now investigators were about to get a break that would turn the case and connie's world upside down. here again is josh mankiewicz with deadly intent. josh mankiewicz: detectives trying to figure out who would want to kill mild-mannered connie hoagland were hitting nothing but dead ends... until they got a call from the business partner of connie's husband, larry. matt beals: who says,hey, i found-- i found bomb-making instructional videos and-- and internet searches on our office computer. and i didn't make the searches. josh mankiewicz: it seems larry had been looking for some unusual things on the internet. robert luke: we looked at the stuff that he had looked at. and then it was like, wow, this is the exact same bomb that we found. josh mankiewicz: but they found more than just a list of incriminating websites. robert luke: during the search warrant

we find love letters between him, larry hoagland, and a woman by the name of leanne. josh mankiewicz: the highly moral, god-fearing church leader, had been cheating on his wife, with a woman who lived across the country. josh mankiewicz: --leanne, what did she tell you? robert luke: that she and larry had been in a-- a relationship for several years. josh mankiewicz: larry and lee ann, it turned out, were once high school sweethearts. in 2007, lee ann--recently divorced and living in pennsylvania- wondered if it was too late for larry and her to take another crack at love. matt beals: and she-- she was able to track him down on the internet and placed a call to him one day while he was at work at his photography shop. josh mankiewicz: and that's when this all matt beals: and from that, boom. man, it was like a spark just totally rekindled into a fire. josh mankiewicz: according to lee ann, larry told her he too was getting a divorce. and soon the two were texting like hormonal teens. josh mankiewicz: you have been my dream girl for as long as i can remember being in love.larry wrote.life

is like dry brown toast without you. lee ann was equally smitten i lost you once and do not want to lose you again.she wrote robert luke: she was preparing for him to come be her husband, and be in part of her life for the rest of her life. josh mankiewicz: while he carried on with lee ann in pennsylvania, back home in san diego, larry was growing distant from connie.... but never mentioned getting a divorce or separating. in fact, he still kept up his family routines...even going to church with them every sunday. jaclyn reagan: my dad was-- a church board member. my mom was really involved with bible studies and women's groups. it was a big part of our lives. we didn't know anything would-- was wrong. i always thought that everything was fine and great josh mankiewicz: so larry was leadin' a double life and he was lying to both the women in it? robert luke: exactly. he had two, complete, lives. and lived them as one. it was really weird. josh mankiewicz: connie remembers that time well...

but for different reasons. larry told her and the kids that he'd gotten a big photo contract in pittsburgh and for the next three years, larry split his time between california and pennsylvania. connie hoagland: he said he had a friend out in pennsylvania named bob, and he would go out there and do work for him. jaclyn regan: we had no reason not to trust him and believe him. josh mankiewicz: but here's what connie and the kids didn't know: larry was financing his secret life with extra mortgages on their san diego home... connie hoagland: i-- i thought we were doing fine. i thought it was gonna be a good time in our life. josh mankiewicz: but then suddenly there was no money. connie hoagland: yeah, suddenly it's like, what? bankruptcy? so josh mankiewicz: you had to declare bankruptcy. connie hoagland: i didn't wanna declare bankruptcy, but-- larry said, no, we need to do this. so, i just went ahead with it. josh mankiewicz: you went along. connie hoagland: yup. yeah, i trusted him. i thought he maybe knew better than i knew. josh mankiewicz: and, detectives learned, while larry was deceiving connie and

bleeding his own family dry, he was also playing lee ann ... telling her the timing wasn't right for them to get married because he couldn't afford to go though with his divorce. as proof, larry even sent lee ann this secretly recorded meeting with his lawyer. larry hoagland: spousal support at...? lawyer: nine hundred. larry hoagland: child support at...? lawyer: a thousand. josh mankiewicz: lee ann's response to this video? text after text basically telling larry to put up or shut up.i have heard it all so many times she wrote. i am tired of it all. if you love me like you say we still wouldnt be doing this.i am ready to move on. josh mankiewicz: two weeks after that text, larry was in pennsylvania trying to patch things up with lee ann when the cell phone bomb was discovered in the hoagland neighborhood. robert luke: i'm telling matt, matt, we got him with a girlfriend in pittsburgh.we've got all this stuff goin' on, 'cause

that's all what we're finding. we're finding love cards in the business. so all this is building in one day. so, you got this whole package right there. so it's all right in that nutshell. so that's what says,hook him. josh mankiewicz: larry was arrested that night. but at that point, the hoagland family had no idea he was even being investigated ... so when jaclyn got a 2:00 a.m. call from her sister jill with news about their dad... she was blindsided. jaclyn reagan: my sister said, he's-- been arrested. they-- he's in jail. i couldn't believe it. and i think the first thing out of my mouth was, there is no way he did this. there is no way. they have the wrong guy. josh mankiewicz: the evidence against larry was circumstantial... no fingerprints... no dna.... nothing to physically connect him to either bomb. josh mankiewicz: and that made investigators take another look at eric stalnaker...who was asked

to come down to his old fire station for an interview... this was not going to be a friendly chat with old work buddies. captain eric stalnaker: when they asked me if i'd be willing to take a polygraph. it's like, wait a minute? you guys know me, you know, you should know better than that. and then i realized that, you know, the best way to clear my-- make sure that i'm-- i'm clear in their eyes is to take a polygraph. right after it was finished they said, well, you passed. josh mankiewicz: stalnaker--was nothing more than the right guy in the wrong place. robert luke: everything came up clean, he was just coincidence. josh mankiewicz: luke and beals were now convinced larry was the bomber and that he was in it alone. but larry hoagland, the husband, father of three and man of god--had a ready explanation when he sat down... with me... he'd been framed. larry hoagland: i did not try to kill my wife. there is somebody out there who is responsible for this there's a maniac out there. craig melvin: larry hoagland tells his side of the story

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larry hoagland was booked into san diego county's curiously namedgeorge bailey detention facility. a different george bailey, you may recall, was jimmy stewart's character in it's a wonderful life. which actually described larry hoagland's life at one point: good friends, a loving family, the respect of his community. by the time i sat down across from larry, much of that had evaporated. he stood accused of trying to kill his wife with a pipe bomb. and his first words to me...were that police had the wrong man. larry hoagland: i did not try to kill my wife. i'm adamant about this. josh mankiewicz: the only thing larry said was true...was that he did have an affair. larry hoagland: i was cheating on my wife, i was cheating on my family. josh mankiewicz: you-- you were in love with somebody else? larry hoagland: yeah, i was. yes, i was. to be perfectly frank, yes. josh mankiewicz: and you were what, gonna ask your wife for a divorce? larry hoagland: yes. josh mankiewicz: and walk out?

larry hoagland: --that was pretty much it. yes. i let a lot of people down. i deceived a lot of people. i forsook a lot of people. i-- i did. josh mankiewicz: is that the worst sin you've committed? larry hoagland: yes. josh mankiewicz: because larry hoagland: besides adultery, yeah. josh mankiewicz: because what you're in here for larry hoagland: oh yes. josh mankiewicz: --pretty much tops all of that. larry hoagland: mr. mankiewicz, i did not try to kill my wife. i did not. i had nothing to do with what happened to connie. there is somebody out there who is responsible for the whole thing and there's a maniac out there. josh mankiewicz: the whole thing, meaning trying to kill your wife and framing you for it? larry hoagland: yes. it josh mankiewicz: larry larry hoagland: fiction is-- is josh mankiewicz: --who has motive to do that? you wanted out of your marriage. you had a girlfriend. you were planning to leave your wife and your family. and you didn't want to pay the alimony. and you tried to kill her. larry hoagland: alimony is-- is-- it was-- was nothing. you know, and i tell you all these things because it's the truth. i-- i-- i'm not gonna stand behind

and-- and start explaining details after details. i just have to tell you, it's the truth. and that's all there is to it. josh mankiewicz: briefly tell me-- and i only say briefly 'cause i don't know how much time we have. who framed you and why would they do that? josh mankiewicz: larry wasn't able to explain it briefly so i'll do it for him. his story goes like this: larry claimed there were a number of transients who parked their motor homes in the industrial park around his photo studio. and that he, larry -- living out his christian faith-- let those transients piggy-back off his wi-fi at night. and that one of those transients -- a guy named jerry -- did the bomb making internet searches... not larry. josh mankiewicz: you believe that jerry, with his wifi internet access is responsible for the computer searches that were found in the investigation? larry hoagland: i believe so. josh mankiewicz: and in truth, when cops arrested larry they

knew there was no physical proof connecting him to those internet searches. and so they continued to dig... matt beals: larry had a lotta stuff in his wallet, a lotta -- pocket trash, business cards, pieces of paper, receipts, i wouldn't have wanted to sit on his wallet, let's put it that way. josh mankiewicz: while going through that wallet beals found this phone number written on a little slip of paper. matt beals: and i said,holy cow-- this first number is the bomb phone number. i keep going through the-- the contents of the wallet. and here's the second number. josh mankiewicz: that's right- larry hoagland had in his wallet the numbers of both cellphones used as detonators on the first bomb, the one that didn't explode. josh mankiewicz: that's an unbelievable piece of luck. matt beals: i'd like to call it investigative genius, but yeah. it was fantastic. it was really good to find that. josh mankiewicz: and that ties larry to the unexploded bomb. matt beals: exactly. robert luke: it does. josh mankiewicz: if you're thinking it would be hard to explain away that evidence, then you

don't know larry hoagland.... josh mankiewicz: how did those numbers get into your wallet? larry hoagland: jerry gave them to me. that man gave them to me. that's why i say he has everything to do with this. josh mankiewicz: he gave you those phone numbers and said,this is how you reach me? larry hoagland: yes. josh mankiewicz: and then, what, gave you another one because he had a second phone? larry hoagland: yes. he said, here's my wife's phone number, and i said, well-- okay, fine. so, i grabbed a piece of paper, wrote it down. josh mankiewicz: all of it to frame you for murder. to what possible end? for what conceivable reason? how does that benefit him? larry hoagland: he-- he's-- it's obvious we've got a maniacal person on our hands here. josh mankiewicz: tell me what you know about jerry. larry hoagland: i know a very little about jerry. i know what he looks like. josh mankiewicz: what does he look like? larry hoagland: about six feet tall, dark hair, wavy hair. longer than yours but wavy like yours. no salt and pepper. i-- i would guess that he's late 20s early 30s. always needed a shave. josh mankiewicz: larry said there was one transient

who could back up his story... josh mankiewicz: and his name is? larry hoagland: that's joe, injun joe. and he hangs out there, and he's been there for quite some time. josh mankiewicz: if we find joe, he'll be able to lead us to jerry? larry hoagland: i certainly hope so because joe, to my knowledge, knows everybody in that neighborhood. josh mankiewicz: it sounded like a crazy story and larry well knew it. larry hoagland: if i were the guy out there watching dateline, i-- i wouldn't believe this. i would be the first person to say, oh, this guy is full of baloney. it's like watching a tv show. josh mankiewicz: it is like watching a tv show, and you're telling us larry hoagland: it is. josh mankiewicz: --to go search for the one-armed man. larry hoagland: yes. that's a good analogy, yes. josh mankiewicz: and so we went to try to check out larry's story. was he telling the truth this time... or was it a lie just like the ones he'd told his family? we combed an area around his old photo studio.. an industrial area near the freeway ...full

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was like you, somebody who came up, parked nearby, used the wi-fi signal. a guy who was about six feet tall-- dark hair like mine. but-- maybe darker than mine, wavy hair, slender build. ringin' a bell? indian joe: somebody fittin' that description? no. i-- i have known everybody that comes around. and there was nobody-- there was nobody fittin' that description. josh mankiewicz: do you know anybody named jerry? indian joe: no-- no. there was nobody-- there was nobody with that name-- during that time period-- that he was here. josh mankiewicz: 'cause that's fairly important to larry who's now behind bars. indian joe: i know. after i heard the situation come down, i actually asked the other people, did you get on the internet? did you look up how to build a pipe bomb? did you try any of these things? and everybody said,no. why the he-- why would i do that, you know? and-- and it was like this is just-- i'm afraid it's just fantasy. josh mankiewicz: that was not the news larry was expecting to hear...

or was it? josh mankiewicz: we found joe. larry hoagland: wonderful. josh mankiewicz: we talked to joe. larry hoagland: great. josh mankiewicz: he's never heard of jerry. larry hoagland: anybody that resembles my description of jerry, anybody at all? josh mankiewicz: so now you're not sure of the guy's name? larry hoagland: i've never been completely sure of his name. i called him jerry. anybody that resembles jerry. i wasn't positive his name was jerry. josh mankiewicz: joe says he doesn't know anyone like that, can't help us. and he wasn't unhelpful, he was actually quite willing to talk to us. he says he doesn't know anything about it. larry hoagland: that-- that's very disheartening. josh mankiewicz: is there really a jerry? larry hoagland: yes, there is. yes, there is. there's a man out there who's responsible for this. and i'm not him. josh mankiewicz: i gotta ask you, i mean, did you think about just getting divorced?

larry hoagland: yes. josh mankiewicz: i mean, if you had just gotten divorced, none of this would have happened. you wouldn't be in there, i wouldn't be here talking to you. you'd be in pennsylvania with your girlfriend, and your wife would be angry at you. larry hoagland: which-- which would not been-- been-- would not have been the right thing to do to-- to leave my family, in hindsight, yes. josh mankiewicz: but it-- but it beats murder. josh mankiewicz: our interview finally ended, and as he was being led away... larry conceded to his guard that we weren't buying his story. larry hoagland: they think i'm a lying scumbag... and i... i was. josh mankiewicz: while larry admitted to being a liar, he never admitted to the bombing attempts. and even connie, didn't believe her husband of 25 years would try to kill her. not until larry called her shortly after he was arrested -- while connie was still in the hospital. connie hoagland: he said, i want you to know that i've been having an affair, before it gets out.and then he said, and since--

since the accident i've been dedicated to you. and then he said, i didn't do it. and when he said he was dedicated to me it's like a light bulb went off. it's like, he's lying, you know. and i knew, you know what? he did it. josh mankiewicz: just from that? just from that one phrase, that he was dedicated to you? connie hoagland: right. weird. because i knew he wasn't. it's like my mind was open at that time. it's like, whoa, it's you. josh mankiewicz: nineteen months later... connie painfully pulled herself into court and testified against the man who had once promised to love, honor, and cherish her... as long as they both shall live. connie hoagland: my ears were ringing. it was so loud. josh mankiewicz: larry's defense? the same story he shared with us --he'd been framed by the mysterious jerry. judge: would you hand the verdict forms to the bailiff please? josh mankiewicz: to no one's surprise,

the jury didn't buy it. juror: we the jury, in the above entitled case, find the defendant, lawrence gerald hoagland, guilty of the crime of attempted murder... josh mankiewicz: a month later, at his sentencing, connie and the kids read victim impact statements... it was the first time any of them had spoken to their dad since his arrest. jaclyn: larry is no longer my father and i am no longer his daughter. i haven't spoken to larry in almost two years and after today i will never see or speak to him again... jonathan: larry, you disgust me. he does not deserve or have the right to refer to us as his family anymore. ... when larry dies in prison no one will shed a tear. jill: i exercise my divine right to wash my hands of you. your soul is of no concern or consequence to me.... and now you, you will live your hell.

josh mankiewicz: words that some dads might consider a punishment harsher than a life in prison. which is in fact the sentence larry received... life plus 13 years. josh mankiewicz: you guys feel like you're better off now? jaclyn regan: oh yeah jonathan hoagland: yeah. a lot better. jaclyn regan: i know it's weird to think that-- after all of this and-- but we are. (crying) we're closer. and we know each other better. and we have seen each other at our lowest. but we're closer. and we're all stronger as a family. josh mankiewicz: two-and-a-half years after the bombing, connie was up and walking unassisted.... and on this night heading to the podium to receive the citizens of courage award from the san diego county d.a.'s office josh mankiewicz: for having the guts to face her husband -- her attempted killer --in court. josh mankiewicz: when you went into court and stared him down-- what was larry thinking?

you tell me. connie hoagland: i think he just still thought that i didn't think he did it. josh mankiewicz: i -- i sort of get the feeling that maybe larry thought that you were the kind of person who wouldn't have the strength to testify again him. connie hoagland: i think you're right. i think he just didn't know me as well as he thought he did. josh mankiewicz: boy, was he wrong. connie hoagland: he was. he didn't know me at all. craig melvin: that's all for this edition of dateline. i'm craig melvin. thank you for watching. . i'm craig melvin. and i'm natalie morales. and this is "dateline." s beautiful. i thought he was the love of my life. we wanted them to find the real killer. i wanted all of this to be behind us. and go on happily ever after. craig melvin: single mom meets single dad.