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monday night like this? on monday night. >> good to be with you. i'm katie tur on friday, as los angeles continued to burn, scientists announced 2024 was the hottest year on record in recorded history. >> that new climate is what we'll discuss this hour, along with the ideas on how to build safer in face of the new reality that we are all living in. but first, here's the latest out in los angeles. officials now say 24 people are dead, more than 20 others are missing, and evacuation orders are expanding across la county, starting overnight and lasting through wednesday. renewed red flag warnings as the santa ana's kick in again and create nearly identical conditions to what l.a. experienced last week. >> wind event is upon us as we

speak, the los angeles city fire department has maximized our resource capabilities and response capabilities. we are not in the clear as of yet, and we must not let our guard down as we have right now. extreme fire behavior, and we need to make sure that the community is staying updated with the most information. updated information as well. follow all evacuation warnings and orders without delay. >> l.a. fire says they have strike teams already in place and have dropped thousands of gallons of phos-chek along the mountainside to try to keep these fires contained. it's that pink stuff you see right there. here it is also covering the homes in mandeville canyon that is the canyon between the palisades and brentwood, while la gets ready again for what could happen all over again. the effort to stabilize the city is

starting, as officials look to ensure housing displaced schoolchildren clear debris and then make way for the rebuilding, something governor governor gavin newsom promises will be done without delay. joining us now, nbc news correspondent jay gray, who is in the pacific palisades this morning for us, and nbc news correspondent ellison barber, who is in altadena. i say this morning because it is well, it is afternoon now. it's 12:02 in the palisades in los angeles. jay, what are you seeing there? have officials been able to let more residents in to try to collect whatever belongings might remain? >> yeah, unfortunately, at this point, katie, they have not. there are significant amounts of teams here working to clean up what they can to make sure that they are in position for these winds to begin to pick up. and we've been here since before midnight. i can tell you, the winds have picked up and continue to grow as we get

closer to the afternoon, and that's when we expect things to really start to whip up and ramp up a bit. one of the reasons no one's coming back in is areas like this. you can see it's devastated. you are here, you've seen it, you lived here, you know this community, but it stretches for miles. there are still gas lines that are leaking. there are still power lines that are live. and so what officials have said is we're not going to escort anyone back in, even if just for a few moments, to try and assess what's going on and, and maybe recover something from the rubble. that's that's not going to happen until at least thursday, because in the coming few days, with that wind event on the way, they expect to see gusts of 70 miles an hour or more. so that's a hurricane force wind coming back into this area. it certainly can fan the flames that are right now not controlled, but it can also spark embers and scatter those embers and create another situation like we had when all of this started. katie. so no, at this point, it's still very much locked down. there's a lot

of activity, a lot of law enforcement here, a lot of firefighters, fighters as well, just making sure that they get to hotspots and get prepared for what's on the way. >> you know, they are very concerned about looters. one of our crews witnessed cops with guns drawn outside of a house that had not burned down because they knew somebody was inside. that was not supposed to be great. jay, i want to ask you one more question. when you're talking about teams that are there, are you talking about water and power? who's there trying to get things into enough of a stable environment so that a residents can eventually get back and then be they can start the clearing of that giant mess. >> yeah. water and power for sure. we've seen them come in as first light came up right now, in fact, there goes water and power trucks right now past our situation here. and we continue to see them across the entire area. but you've also got a lot of law enforcement on the

ground. and you talked about that looting. they are constantly patrolling all of these areas. and i can tell you for some of the crews coming in, you know, when you come into a disaster zone like this and you have your media badge and you show that and you talk about why you're here and what you're here to do, that's usually enough. not the case. in fact, they're comparing those badges to a driver's license or something else to make sure that you're the person that's on that badge. so they want to make sure that the people coming in they know about know why they're here. and most of all, know that they're not going to do something that they shouldn't be. and they've been very talked about it throughout the day here today. the first press conference this morning, they said, look, we are going to prosecute to the full extent anyone who causes any harm in this situation. other than that, you've got fire teams on the ground here and they're going through and really trying to assess what they need to do to prepare for this next round of wind. and in fact, there goes another water and power truck.

so you're absolutely right. there is a lot of activity here for an area that doesn't have, for the most part, any residents or anybody who calls this area home on the ground here. >> yeah, it is really tough. ellison, you're over there in altadena again. that is the area is still bad. you were talking about a hot spot earlier today. i will say when we were there we saw a number of hotspots popping up, not just within homes but along hillsides. the ground is still so warm, so dry. these santa ana winds are so concerning. what are firefighters there telling you? >> yeah, i mean that is one of many reasons why they're saying residents cannot come back into their homes right now and into these mandatory evacuation zones because it is simply not safe, just even in the last hour, we were here with a team as they were fighting a hot spot that had popped back up in a building that had seemingly been dealt with. there was no obvious smoke coming from it, no obvious flames. but within minutes, all of a sudden there were

significant smoke coming from it. and that's in part because when these buildings collapse, they have a lot of concrete layers. some of them they collapse, they pancake on top of each other, and the heat, it gets stuck underneath that concrete or brick, and that allows embers, other things to reignite in those hotspots to pop up. look, katie, where we are right now is a search and rescue command center. this is something that is also going on. it is another reason why officials are saying people cannot come home right now. officials saying today we are literally searching for the remains of your neighbors. and that's what these teams are just doing. this group from santa fe springs, california, just got back from being out on a search and rescue mission inside this building. we're not going to show it, just out of respect for some of the work that they're doing inside there, they are actively trying to figure out where they need to go to search and possibly recover bodies. they've been coming in and out of this area with cadaver dogs as they go and carry out what has been described by officials as the grim task of searching for people who are missing. they

are on day three in altadena of doing a grid search, trying to find people who are still missing, finding and looking for people, possibly in pools, in bathtubs, places where when they weren't able to escape, they would have possibly sought shelter. when you look across the street, you're reminded of the scale and the toll of destruction here, these sorts of buildings. this is what we've seen in altadena constantly when we've been in here, these sorts of buildings, they often will look like they are no longer a immediate threat. right? no smoldering. we see here no obvious signs of smoke. but what you don't know is what lies underneath the rubble. you also don't always know what is above you in terms of downed power lines that could still be live, or even trees that have been severely burned, that could break and crack and fall on people. all of that contributing to why fire officials are saying, we know you want to come home. we understand a lot of their families have also been evacuated. but they say right now it is simply not safe. and in altadena in particular right now, it's in part because of this. they are literally

actively going out searching for the remains of people who are still missing in this community and who they believe may have died in the eaton fire. here. katie. all right. >> i mean, ellison, what you're seeing there, jay, what you're seeing in the palisades, it is so much worse out there than it is on television. and i know that people, number one, are worried. there's still, you know, 20 or so missing. they're worried about finding more bodies. that death toll is still pretty low for the devastation that we've seen. and number two, there are so many people, thousands of families that want to get back in. they want to have a chance to go through their stuff and their patience is wearing thin. so the city has also got that to contend with. jay gray, ellison barber, thank you guys very much. joining us now, nbc news meteorologist bill karins. let's talk about the forecast. >> so we have another high wind event coming. it's already arriving in the mountains. and it's important to know that this is a lot different than the one last week. the one last week was

highly unusual. we had strong north winds that were blowing right into downtown la with 80 to 100 mile per hour winds. that is almost unheard of. this is a more typical santa ana wind event, and that means it's mostly going to be up in the mountains, not down in the city itself. doesn't mean we still can't have structures that get threatened if any new fires form or the current fires we have if they spread, but it should not be in highly densely populated areas like we saw with this last event. still very serious though for any areas that will be affected. so we have this particularly dangerous situation. we've had four of them now, including this one in the last four months. all three of the previous ones have had homes and structures burned and evacuation orders, of course, the one last week and then we had two previous. so that's a bad precedent. so we know this is going to be a very dangerous situation late tonight and tomorrow if any new fires form. and we're not talking downtown la. this is the malibu area. pepperdine heading northwards up here. so the western santa monica mountains. and then from ventura through the canyons here all the way to the angeles national forest. those are the

areas of concern. so that's north and northwest of downtown la. now as far as the winds go, it's already really windy in the mountains. 5146 so we already have dangerous fire conditions, but we just don't have any new fires. i was looking at the visible satellite imagery, and there's no smoke anywhere in southern california right now. there's no active burning flames, so that's fantastic, but it doesn't mean it will continue. so by 5 a.m. tomorrow morning, look at these wind gusts, 6658. those are strong enough that the aircraft will not be able to fly. if we have new fires forming in these areas. so that's the big key hopefully. fingers crossed we don't have any fires that form in these areas. but that's why the weather service has called this a particularly dangerous situation. if it happens, if a power line falls that's still energized and starts a fire, you know, fortunately, if we get an arson fire, those are the concerns. so this is the extreme risk area today. tomorrow we're going to keep it from north of los angeles, glendora to santa clarita and also thousand oaks. so katie, this you know, it's important to note the areas that we're seeing the fires and our reporters at now, we're not expecting the extreme winds in

those areas where the palisades and eaton fire are. we're more concerned if new fires form. >> all right. bill karins, thank you very much. joining us now, cal fire public information officer colin noyce, thank you very much for joining us, sir. let me ask you, we've seen a lot of the phos-chek that's that pink stuff dropped on the mountainside, dropped in some of the canyons. explain exactly what firefighters are trying to do ahead of these potentially dangerous winds. >> yeah. >> so when it comes to the fire retardant that has been dropped on the ridges currently that is still in place and that will prevent any further spread or at least slow further spread of any fire outside of the current perimeter. >> as far as what we're doing to be prepared into the future for this, this ongoing wind event until wednesday evening, we have thousands of firefighters here

at on the palisades fire. over 5000 of them currently, and numerous fire engines, numerous air resources to not only continue the suppression of the palisades fire to our ultimate goal of 100%, but also in the case where there's new starts, we can respond out to those either from our incident command post, our staging areas, or also have engines come off of the line and respond out, whichever is closer to suppress those fires as quickly as possible. >> have the super scoopers been able to get back into the air? no one was damaged by a civilian flown drone. >> i don't have information on whether the super scooper is back in the air. we did have a drone strike on one of the canadian super scoopers. that is a very unfortunate event, and i'm sure that they're working on repairing that plane.

>> one of the areas of concern for residents, and frankly, areas of frustration is they just felt there weren't enough firefighters in place ahead of these fires. obviously, there's discussion about that. there's investigations. there's also just the sheer strength and scope of these fires and the wind conditions. what are you doing right now to ensure people who are still worried, people who might live in brentwood or encino, areas that are currently being threatened, potentially, that that you guys are doing everything you can? >> yeah, we have crews on the ground 24 hours a day, and the crews don't leave the line until the crew shows up. so there's constantly boots on the ground out there. they're mopping up any sort of potential problems in the line within 300ft or more. we've established what's called contingency lines, which are either dozer lines or lines, retardant lines around outside

of the actual fire boundary. so if there was an escape, our contingency either primary or secondary and in some cases even tertiary contingency lines are meant to stop and slow the spread outside of the current containment. >> what about the accusation? what about the accusation? this is coming from rick caruso, but also a lot of folks that there was too much brush out there and the brush needed to be cleared. and part of the reason this fire got so out of control was that there was just too much density up in the hills. is that true? >> well, it's true that there hasn't been a fire within the last 40 to 50 years out here. so you get that 40 to 50 year growth on the brush, and you do get a dead component under there. so there could be some truth to that. there is you know, these hills do grow brush very well as it is southern california. so yeah, without a frequent fire return interval,

you're going to get heavy brush in places. >> what is the difficulty in doing? what's the difficulty in doing controlled burns to prevent this sort of thing. >> controlled burns can be hard. there's definitely challenges to conducting controlled burns, especially around large populations of folks because there are smoke impacts and things like that. so yeah, there's definitely challenges associated with doing prescribed fire around urban and wildlife, wildland urban interface areas. >> colin noyes of la fire, thank you so much for joining us. i appreciate it. and thank you for cal fire. excuse me. thank you for all the work you guys and women are doing out there. it's so it's dangerous, but it's important. it's also really appreciated. >> no problem. thank you. >> and you can scan the qr code on your screen right now. for more information on how to

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requirements. i got coastal act changes that we're making. california leads the nation in environmental stewardship. i'm not going to give that up. but one thing i won't give in to is delay. delay is denial for people. life's traditions, places torn apart, torn asunder. >> you heard governor gavin newsom there talking about how he doesn't want delay, also talking about a new marshall plan for the city of los angeles. let's talk about that. joining us now, university of california, san diego, assistant professor of economics, judge judson boomhower. his research focuses on environmental economics, climate risk and adaptation, which is what we want to start with. judson marshall plan and adaptation. what should that look like? >> well, we've learned quite a lot in the last ten, 15 years about how to rebuild and rebuild homes affected by disasters in a way that's more resilient. and i think it's really important when

we're rebuilding from this disaster, this terrible disaster in la, that we put all those lessons to use and rebuild these communities in a way that they're more likely to at least have a fighting chance of having better outcomes the next time. this unfortunately, something like this happens again. >> so when you're looking at rebuilding better, more resiliently, can you build resiliently enough with wildfire threats like this, are there building methods that we can put in place to make our structures withstand this? >> well, we're never going to be able to completely eliminate the threat from wildfire, especially when you have the kind of terrible conditions that we saw in the palisades. you know, the those absolutely ripping santa ana winds and the challenging topography and vegetation, vegetation in that area. we're certainly never going to be able to take the risk of loss to zero. but we've seen, you know, in our in just looking at the

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everyone got behind it. and then finally back then, hamas was was isolated. it accepted the framework that the president put forward. ever since then, we've been working on negotiating the final details, everything that has to go into implementation. and time and again that's been delayed or derailed by some event. but now we're at a point, as i said, where we are closer than we've ever been, and we'll have to see if hamas can can finally say yes. >> joining us now, carnegie endowment for international peace, senior fellow and former arab-israeli negotiator aaron david miller. all right. we've we've had this conversation before. does this time feel different? >> katie. it does. >> i mean, the signs and the signals i think are strong. >> the palestinians are sending their experts who deal with release of palestinian prisoners to doha. the israelis are sending signals to the ministries that deal with the absorption of hostages. so it feels as if it seems as if that this is the moment for an

agreement. now what? it does not seem to me to be an agreement for is what i would call all for all. all of the remaining hostages freed according to a specific timetable in return for termination of the war and a permanent cessation of hostilities. that may be the language used in this agreement, but i think it's there's a long way to go before we see the end of the war in gaza. but for the 34 hostages, the israelis judge mostly are living in the initial humanitarian release, six week ceasefire, large numbers of palestinian prisoners, some of whom convicted of killing, charged with killing israelis and surging humanitarian assistance into gaza for those hostages, the hostage families and palestinians in gaza. this is long, long overdue. what more can we promise is uncertain at this time, but we take what we got, frankly.

>> can you help me understand the timing here? this has been an ongoing negotiation now for so long. the parameters of this deal. as secretary blinken told my colleague andrea mitchell, were laid out in may by president biden, side on by a lot of nations around the world. why would it be happening now, just a week before the next president comes into office? >> well, i think hamas is under enormous pressure. they've got nothing to show for the last 15 months other than death and destruction. and this this agreement gives them something, including large numbers of palestinian prisoners released for mr. netanyahu. i think he's he's been emboldened by israel's military victories against iran and hezbollah. i also think you cannot rule out the trump factor here. it's the biden administration officials that are doing most of the negotiating here. but there's no doubt that certainly in mr. netanyahu's calculation, he'd like to facilitate this. and there's no doubt that donald

trump is going to claim victory. he is going to claim that the reason any of this is happening is as a consequence of the sort of madman theory that all hell is going to break loose theory. i think in netanyahu's case, he does have an interest in keeping donald trump on his side on the hamas issue, a much less certain. but regardless of who's responsible, you're going to end up hopefully within the next 48 hours, see the beginnings of the return of hostages and a period of quiet, something gaza's not experienced in the last 15 months. >> we will watch and we will wait. we will also hope. aaron david miller, thank you very much. and coming up, what a new study reveals about china, tiktok and what's happening, what it's doing to americans. first, though, can pete hegseth clear his confirmation hurdles? what we're learning about the fbi background check of donald trump's controversial pentagon

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confirmation process with tulsi gabbard on the intelligence committee, on both the kash patel and pam bondi in the judiciary committee. looks like we're going to have a little bit of a train wreck next week of confirmation hearings, but i'm glad we're getting those done. >> might have meant a pile up there. the first hearing will be tomorrow. it's fox news host pete hegseth for secretary of defense. joining us now, nbc news senior capitol hill correspondent garrett hake. how does it look, garrett? >> well, katie, in conversations, both public and private republican senators. and they're really the ones to watch here on all of these nominations, have been getting more and more optimistic about pete hegseth. there have been no new skeletons that have come out of his closet in recent weeks. the fbi background check on him was delivered to the ranking member and chair of the armed services committee late last week. if there were, you know, a sort of a silver bullet in there, i think it's likely that would have come out by now. but

this hearing is going to be critical. don't take my word for it. the new whip, the person in charge of counting the votes in the senate, had this to say about hegseth over the weekend. >> senator, you are the whip. >> you count the votes. >> does pete hegseth, the pick to run the pentagon, have them? >> well, he certainly has the qualities that we need to lead the pentagon. >> he knows about a fit fighting force. >> he is very qualified. >> in my opinion. he has a record, a distinguished record of service in the military. >> every senator gets to speak for themselves, and they will do that. >> the meetings have gone very well. >> things are heading in the right direction, katie. >> our careful observers out watching will notice that nowhere in that answer did john barrasso say yes. i think this hearing is going to be the most closely watched hearing by far. there are a lot of republicans, both on the armed services committee and in the conference generally, who still have serious questions about pete hegseth background and his character and his decision

making. and this hearing, i think, will go a long way into either allaying those concerns or magnifying them on someone who donald trump very much does want to have confirmed by day one. >> it should be an interesting day tomorrow. garrett hague, thank you very much. joining us now. oh, garrett, before i go, i want to congratulate you, senior. well, he's got. garrett is going to be our new senior white house correspondent. there you are, garrett. congratulations. congratulations on the new gig. do you start monday? >> i think that's right. is there anything going on on monday? i got to read in. i'm sure it'll be fine. >> just. just a little bit of reading. garrett haake, thank you. joining us now, founder of iraq and afghanistan veterans of america and host of the independent americans podcast, paul rieckhoff, not our senior white house correspondent. paul, really good to have you. okay. pete hegseth, for a while, it looked like there was no way he would survive this process. and then things calmed down. we heard joni ernst say nicer things about him. it seemed like the road was getting smoother. but then you just heard there john barrasso, who is the whip,

not exactly say that he's got the votes. what is your prediction? >> i think trainwreck chaos. mayhem is right for what we're about to go into. vacation time is definitely over and here comes the mayhem. i think most people are keeping their powder dry. i think that's what they're doing. they're saying the things that can keep them in good graces with trump, or keeping them kind of off the radar and waiting to see what comes out, not just in the hearings, but in the next 48 hours. and what could happen after the hearings, because it doesn't look like he'll get a vote immediately after the hearings. >> so we're talking about maybe another week of breaking news of people who could come out of whistleblowers. and some talk that the fbi investigation may not be complete. >> right. >> maybe they haven't talked to some folks who do want to talk. so those folks might come forward to the committee. >> they might come forward to the press. >> so i think everybody is keeping their powder dry and waiting to see what happens. >> but expect fireworks. >> i think hegseth wants to set the tone for the trump administration, and that's why i think they also want to put him up first. he considers himself a fighter. he's a culture warrior,

in my view. he's woefully disqualified for a number of reasons, but he wants to set the tone and set the pace and put the democrats on the defense. >> how important is it to have a secretary of defense in place on day one? >> tremendously important on everything from a potential peace deal in the middle east to the wildfires in california. this is what used to be called the secretary of war. this is, in my view, the most important member of the cabinet. it should also be the least political member of the cabinet. and i think that's why hague said this, ultimately facing so much resistance, because he has been so hyper partizan. he has been extreme in his political views on women, on gays, on many other folks that are going to be adversely affected in the most diverse workforce on the planet. so 2 million people are going to be under his purview. and if he's not in place, we're going to have a gap. and that's going to be, in my view, a national security risk. >> if he gets rejected or he gets pulled, how long would it take to do the whole process over with a new nominee? >> it depends on who he picks. i mean, if he picks a retired general who could get through quickly, or someone like joni ernst, that's more moderate. i think it could go quickly. if he

picks another fox news host or someone that's outside the beltway, i think it could take longer. i think it's important to recognize none of this is normal. we're talking about whether or not he clears an fbi check. that was never an issue for lloyd austin, for bob gates, for dick cheney. and that's the primary concern we've got right now, which cuts to the core of his character, his fitness and even his stability. whether or not we can trust him not to drink while he's on the job. this is not normal by any means, and i think it's important that we recognize that going into all these nominations. >> so what happens if there is no defense secretary in place? who's in charge of the pentagon come monday? >> if there's not somebody confirmed the acting, probably. i mean, they'll have an acting secretary in place. >> could donald trump elevate an acting that that's already been senate confirmed? >> anybody would think he would have to. right. i mean, i don't know, to be honest with you technically, but i think he's not going to keep lloyd austin. maybe he would. i think that would be the sensible thing to do in terms of continuity. but he's been so hard on austin, cq, cq brown's been rumored to be gone too, i think. i think trump wants to clear them all out. i don't think he's going to waste any time, and he'll go pretty

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east. joining us now, lead intelligence analyst at the network contagion research institute and coauthor of that new study, alex goldenberg, can you explain to me, alex, why that video we showed up? top of? it just looks like a tourism video shows tiananmen, shows chairman mao, the birds, the nice music, why anybody should be skeptical of that. >> well, they should be skeptical of it. because if you are a tiktok user, let's say you're gen z and you're interested to learn what happened in 1989 and tiananmen square, and you search tiktok, it would be pretty difficult to find factual information about, you know, why there's controversy around tiananmen square. and so. so yeah, it's pretty disturbing when we search for not just tiananmen square. but if an american teenager that we emulated in our report were to search for uyghurs, for example, or xinjiang, they'd

have a very tough time coming across any informative information as it relates to a number of topics that are sensitive to the chinese communist party. >> there's been pushback to the study. tiktok says it's flawed. the past studies have been flawed. they're trying to get the supreme court to intervene, to say that that ban is in violation of the first amendment. explain to parents, to users out there who might really enjoy the entertainment that tiktok provides, why they wouldn't want it being run by the chinese government. >> well, i mean, so just to give you a broad overview of our report, we emulated the user journey of the average american, searching for topics sensitive to the chinese communist party. and it would be very difficult to find that information. and it seems like based on evidence that we found in our research, that the ccp, or rather, tiktok,

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senate by the ceo of tiktok, and it was written by the cato institute. and what was very interesting is it was the only institution to critique some of our research on tiktok. and what they failed to disclose was that their chairman at the time of writing that critique in cato institute was also is also one of the largest shareholders in bytedance, which is tiktok's parent company. >> that's interesting. thank you very much for joining us. i know it's you know, we've got a few days left. january 19th is the last day that tiktok is allowed to operate under the current control. they have to sell it by january 19th. the supreme court should rule any moment, and i will just tell our viewers quickly, the fbi director, christopher wray, said on 60 minutes this weekend that you should be really concerned about china's how deep china has gone into our infrastructure. they can get control of our of our water, our power, not to mention all of the ways that they've been able to surveil us on our

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