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our mind as we all get ready for these tariff debates. thanks for spending time with us. the reidout starts now. as far as trophies, memories, diplomas, everything else just went up in flames. >> my mom just said it to me. she's like, everything's gone. you mean the books that we have? like nothing. i'm just like, mom. it's all gone. all of it. every memory. all those things are gone. >> more families return to their fire ravaged homes to find all of their life's possessions gone. >> and tonight, firefighters are facing the possibility of new severe weather conditions on the way. also tonight, he's not qualified for the job. and former colleagues said they worried about his drinking. but tomorrow the confirmation hearing will begin for fox weekend host pete hegseth.

donald trump's pick to lead the pentagon. that's just one in a long line of confirmation hearings this week. which one republican senator called a little bit of a train wreck to make the understatement of the year so far. but we begin tonight with the fires and the lies about the fires. now, it is particularly nasty work to use a massive human tragedy to advance your own greed. but leave it to the billionaire right in america to do just that. with the multiple infernos still engulfing southern california, which have killed at least 24 people and swept through 40,000 acres in the greater los angeles area, destroying entire communities and more than 12,000 structures. the risk is far from over. santa ana winds are set to cause critical fire conditions over the next three days, as the region continues to battle

historic and deadly blazes. the suffering, the tremendous loss and fear, and the seeming inability of humans to control the infernos ravaging one of america's most iconic cities and iconic counties is the story here. but instead, the people of los angeles are fighting not just the fire, but also the lies about the fires. >> the lies spread not just by the incoming nominal president, but also by his boss, shadow president elon musk, who tried and failed over the weekend to get a fire official to backstop his lies about the lack of available water in malibu. >> along the coast, there was no shortage of water. in the palisades. >> there was a shortage of water at a certain point. or is that not accurate? >> we were just we were flowing just an amount of amount of water that the system couldn't cover. it was just because of

how much water these firefighters were utilizing. okay. all right. >> sounds good. >> all right. thanks, guys. >> california governor gavin newsom posted the weird live stream saying musk was exposed by firefighters for his own lives. the governor also accused the world's richest billionaire of encouraging looting during these wildfires, after musk said newsom has decriminalized looting in his state, which is also a lie. and speaking of billionaires who lie, you also have the real estate mogul and failed candidate for los angeles mayor richard caruso, who along with has been actor james woods, has been spreading harmful lies about los angeles mayor karen bass since the fires began. here is woods with black santa truther megyn kelly. >> here's what happened in our neighborhood. >> all the houses were on fire

on our street. >> the fire trucks got up there, but there was no water because karen bass didn't fill the reservoirs. so all the fire reservoirs were not. so the fire trucks there, they couldn't pump water. >> none of that is true. and of course, there was more from megyn kelly, who seems to be sometimes the world's angriest multi-millionaire, as well as fox, where right wing billionaire rupert murdoch's puppets, like jesse watters have blamed everything from d e i and the mayor being black and the la fire chief being a lesbian to. and i am not joking here. the indigenous for the fires. >> california can't get enough water to fight fires because of a stupid fish. >> gavin's literally tearing down western civilization for fish and indians. >> nothing against the indians. >> i love the indians. >> but really, it turns out that in recent years, la's fire chief has made not filling the fire hydrants top priority, but diversity.

>> this right here, ladies and gentlemen, this is the leadership of the la fire department. i sure hope they know what they're doing. >> oh, the arrogance of the colonizers spirit. of course, none of these people have bothered to thank our neighbors in mexico and canada for sending firefighters to face the flames and planes to brave the hurricane force. santa ana winds to drop water on the blazes. and god forbid, they acknowledge that whatever the initial cause of the fires, they were exacerbated by climate change, which has led to rising temperatures, longer fire seasons and heightened drought conditions. although, you know who does acknowledge climate change? the insurance companies that have been canceling policies in california due to the risk of climate change and the people losing the most in los angeles county, aren't the rich, faded celebrities like mr. woods, who can afford to rebuild and to move into one of their other homes while they wait? it's the middle class homeowners

in places like altadena, where an historic and stable black neighborhood has been all but wiped off the map and ignored by much of the press. while the vulture capitalists are already circling, hoping to snap up the burned up properties for pennies on the dollar so they can hedge fund them into yet another batch of billionaire owned, overpriced rentals. but the worst part, other than the fires themselves, has been the lies. though if there is one thing the billionaire right is they are consistent. they want california, america's biggest state economy. because if they can take california and retrofit it with their ugly right wing policies, the way they've ruined florida and texas and every other red state where poverty rates are high and education is warped, and nonwhite immigrants, pregnant women, victimized girls, and lgbtq folks live in fear. then. then the fight for permanent control of america is basically over. they can drill and frack california until the fires this past week pale in

comparison. they can rip out all the forests and hand over the land to developers, florida style. they can drive out the brown people and the black and asian people, or just sink them into the same apartheid they've created in texas, and they will control enough electoral votes if they control california to never have to worry about another presidential election. the billionaire right knows that they cannot take california home to hollywood, san francisco and kendrick lamar by culture. so they're looking to try to take it with lies and deceit and by fire. and joining me now is altadena resident natalie laforche. natalie laforche, thank you so much for being here. i just want to ask you about altadena, your community and how it's doing. and are the fires still burning? >> first of all, thank you for allowing me to be on here, joi. it's such a pleasure. >> i'm very grateful to share my story. >> also, we're a resilient town.

>> we're a tight knit community, multigenerational community. >> i live in the home that my parents purchased back in the early 70s. the churches, the community centers, just different organizations where they're banding together and distributing clothes, food, immediate needs, getting out information to get the people help. it's we're devastated. you know, you go through emotions, sadness, grief, trauma and anger. and at this point, you know, i feel like people are really looking up and saying, you know, we will rebuild. don't sell your land. don't let them take your land. because we want to keep that beautiful altadena. we want to keep that community.

you know, i know countless families for one minute, for a few days, i had yet to speak to a person who still had their home. and that's frightening to think of. but just imagine driving up to see those beautiful hills and mountains in altadena and only seeing flames and destruction. it's just it's living a living nightmare, for lack of better words, to see the places that you grew up, the places that you made, memories, your parents, friends, your grandparents, friends. for me, past students, when i was teaching in the school district, all gone. i mean, essentially, you know, there there are some who have been, you know, lucky enough to have a home still standing like i and my twin sister. however, we don't know when we'll be able to go back. it's toxic. it's dangerous. you

know, folks are crying, saying they want to go home, but, you know, it's is it inhabitable at this point? is it safe? you know, and the word we've gotten is it's not safe. the water is not safe. the gas company. some of you know, the last time i got to go check on my home to see if it was still standing, we looked in the backyard and there was a there was another house still burning and it, you know, and houses are still burning because the gas was still on. the power's out indefinitely. so, you know, even if we wanted to return, it's i don't know we don't know what the future holds. >> yeah. and what is what are people being told to do? i mean, these, as you said, these are generational home homeowners, but not necessarily rich homeowners. what are folks being told to do? right. and because people don't have unlimited funds, are you being told go and stay in an airbnb and it'll be

paid for by the federal government? like what kind of instruction are you getting? >> first of all, let me just say this. i'm not going to name my homeowners insurance. but when i logged on, my documents weren't able to be viewed. they said they're not they're not able to be viewed at this time. so if you didn't get to pull out your documents, if you didn't get to screenshot them through your app, then you don't really know what's being covered. so i did receive a call back after several attempts to try to get a representative on the phone, and i was told that i need to just use my money and keep my receipts and someone will reach out to me next week. so then we received emails to contact fema. we applied online, my family, my sister's family, and we got immediate denial because we said that we had homeowner's insurance. so at this point, we're we're spending our own money and trying to keep the

receipts. we did get a voucher through 211 with airbnb. but it's only for, you know, it'll last you maybe five, six days. pasadena is not really the most economical place to get an airbnb. so it'll last you a few days and then after that you're on your own. >> let me ask you this. you know, what do you make of the people who are saying that for california, for folks like yourself, homeowners to get any assistance, they want to make political demands on your governor, that they want certain changes in policy before they will help people. homeowners like you. >> i say stick to your guns. do what you believe, i say. i don't know. i mean, i haven't really when you're thinking about your immediate needs and raising your family, you don't even think about that. you know, you just

kind of, you know, you see theories and, you know, people putting the blame on newsom and bass and but, you know, we just don't know. we don't know. we don't know what to think. so we're at this point the residents are we're just trying to find a place to lay down. we're not really interested in that. and it's not really helpful for those who are in need. you know, we need love. we need prayers. we need support. instead of fighting. and that's what i see in altadena. i see nothing but support. go ahead. i'm sorry. i don't want to. >> no, no, we are we are out of time. but i just want to say that you said probably the most important thing. to the extent that people can do not listen to any vultures who are saying, sell us your home. if you know there are funds being put together, i know women with black women and other organizations are trying to help hold on to your property. i just pray that folks don't give it up to developers. go on, i'll let you have the last word. >> don't give up your home. stay in it. our families fought too

hard to be in that county. stay. do whatever you can. reach out. find your own private adjuster. and make sure they give you what your home is worth so you can rebuild. don't be afraid. amen. >> natalie, i'm lucky enough to know you. i thank you very much, good sister, for agreeing to come on and talk about something so painful. and, you know, i'm praying for you and your and your sister and your family. god bless you all and your community. altadena. god bless you all. thank you. thank you. and coming up next. cheers. and coming up next, one of trump's most controversial and unqualified cabinet picks, his defense secretary nominee pete hegseth, will face a confirmation hearing tomorrow from senate armed services committee members. we'll talk to one of those senators, war hero one of those senators, war hero tammy duckworth, ♪♪ well would you look at that? jerry, you've got to see this. i've seen it. trust me, after 15 walks, it gets a little old.

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all of which hegseth denies, and an allegation of sexual assault. in 2017, no charges were filed, and hegseth claims the incident was consensual, but he paid his accuser an undisclosed amount in 2023. he also faces questions about how his current views impact his fitness to run the pentagon, since hegseth has said he believes that women should not serve in combat, but his views on women's rights have been retrograde since his college days. apparently. reuters reports that a classmate recalled putting up posters by princeton's organization of women leaders, a feminist group known better by its acronym owl. meanwhile, hegseth and his friends from the campus's conservative paper, the princeton tory, were tearing her posters down and putting up their own, leading to a verbal altercation, adding that as publisher of the tory, hegseth ran articles called that called homosexuality abnormal and immoral, and argued that sexual intercourse with an unconscious

woman should not be a clear case of rape because there would be no duress. he wrote a piece that attacked what he saw as princeton's gratuitous glorification of diversity. i'm joined now by a member of the senate armed services committee, senator and combat veteran tammy duckworth of illinois. senator, as a combat veteran. and thank you again, as always, for your service. what concerns you the most about pete hegseth? is it his seemingly retrograde views of women or his alleged mismanagement of funds, or his alleged drinking? or all of the above? >> i mean, it's hi, joe, it's all of the above. frankly, this man is not qualified to lead the greatest military in the face of the earth. i don't know that he could plan and plan and supervise a combat mission. remember that the largest organization he ran was a 40. i mean, it was a platoon. so that's maybe 40 guys. and the dod is 3 million personnel, civilian and uniform. he's this

he's in over his head. there's no way that he's qualified to run the department of defense. >> just a little additional reporting. this is from the from the princeton reporting under hegseth. watch. the tory, his publisher, published a cover story in 2002 that put a cartoon owl in a gun sight. and then on page three, appeared to show the same owl with three bullet holes in its head, drops of blood spilling to the ground. which tory article the tory headline was killing feminism. owl sabotages the women's movement and that's organization of women leaders. we've also had gretchen carlson, who more in an up to date world, worked with pete hegseth. she's urged the armed services committee to let hegseth alleged victim provide testimony anonymously. here's the quote while mr. hegseth has allegedly released his the survivor from her nondisclosure agreement, his attorney has threatened to sue her for defamation if she were to come forw to discuss what happened to her and to her testimony were to prevent mr. hegseth

confirmation. mr. hegseth threats cast a chilling pall on women who simply want to speak out about sexual misconduct or and should be and in and of themselves disqualifying. what do you make of that? we've had something like that. we've had thousands, 28,000 service members have experienced unwanted sexual contact. in 2023, 82% of them were women, 18% of them were men, eight 8515 reports of sexual assault involving service members are still active. should this man should the should the woman who was allegedly assaulted by him be allowed to testify in your view? or should she be protected somehow and allowed to testify? >> so that's that's the problem, my understanding. so there's an fbi report that was given to the top democrat and the top republican on the committee to read, but the rest of us were not allowed access to it. and remember that that fbi report is requested by the transition team. so it's requested by the trump transition team. and they have not interviewed any of the

women with significant allegations against him. well, quite a few of the women with significant allegations against him have not been interviewed by the fbi investigators. these women don't want to come forward because they are afraid. some of them have young children and it's multiple women, and they are afraid because of the really attacks and threats to their personal safety and the safety of their children, which is why they have not been able to come forward or wanted to come forward and testify before congress. that said, my understanding is some of them would like to be contacted by the fbi investigative team with the veterans, and they have not been talked to. and so now we are faced with this incomplete report, and even as incomplete as it is, i'm not even allowed to see it. so i don't know what is in this man's background. and this is a guy that's going to lead, you know, this military, 20% of the force is women and female warriors who who meet the same standards and, and achieve

their their positions in the military and go to combat and fight alongside their buddies. and this man is going to lead them and they don't know if he's got if he's going to have their backs. >> to say nothing of it. i didn't even mention his seeming sort of non negative views toward people who are alleged to have committed war crimes. what do you think it would do to the military to have someone like this man who, you know the right loves to talk about, die and claim that anyone who is a person of color or a woman is inherently unqualified for whatever job they have. he has no qualifications for this job. there's nothing about him that makes him qualified other than trump likes him on fox and his demographics, which the president, the former the future president seems to like. what do you think it would do to our military to have someone like this come in with no apparent real fbi, thorough background check, and then be in charge of our nuclear capabilities? >> yeah, well, i think it would be bad for morale, obviously, but i think it would sow

confusion because our our leaders in the military wouldn't know what they could talk to the secretary of defense about. and by the way, for our allies, i would be reluctant to share information with the united states military, with our leadership, information that would keep us safe and keep our troops safe because they couldn't they didn't know if this man is compromised. remember that this the point of the background check, is to make sure that the person you put forward can't be compromised, can't be blackmailed, can't be bribed. these are all the types of things that that background check is supposed to be providing information to me. the senator who is going to be part of the advise and consent. so i can't even make up my mind whether or not this man personally is vulnerable to being blackmailed. what if the next woman comes forward while he's secretary of defense and say, i'm going to come forward? and i have i have the receipts on you and that sexual assault and i have tape and video, whatever that is. what if russia comes forward and says that it now, do we have a secretary of defense who can be bribed and or

who can be blackmailed by a foreign power? because if i was a foreign power, that's what you know, i would be trying to dig up that information on all of that. aside from the fact that he's not qualified to run the organization, he's never run anything bigger than a 40 man platoon. the last two organizations that he was responsible for their financial well-being. they had to bring in a forensic accountant because he mismanaged it so badly. this man is not qualified to run an applebee's, let alone the department of defense. and your local applebee's manager has managed more people and a bigger budget than he has. for crying out loud, i would. >> i would hope that the democrats, while they still have the power, would at least call chris wray to explain why there has been such a non thorough background check. but as we leave this segment, what would be the chances that your republican colleagues would care about any of that when the incoming president of the united states has some two dozen accusers that are women who claim some form of sexual abuse, which of course he denies, and who was found by a jury in new

york to have done to e jean carroll what he bragged he could do to women in the 2006 access hollywood tape. and i could go on. and who was adjudicated by a new york jury to have had sexual relations with a porn actress and then paid her off to cover it up, along with with a playboy model, which, of course, again, he denies, but did get adjudicated for it. with all of that history, why would republicans treat pete hegseth any differently, in your view, if your viewers and if the american public sees tomorrow how unqualified this man is and reaches out to those republican members and tell them that they will not accept this man being confirmed, that will pressure my colleagues to put country above maga, to put country above self, and certainly not bow down to the altar of the maga extremists, because that's where we are right now. >> i it's sad to say, but it is about convincing republican members of the senate armed services committee to put the well-being and the national security of america above maga

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prostate. >> pete hegseth won't be the only controversial cabinet pick to face the senate this week. several other potential members of the incoming trump administration are set to appear on the hill for their confirmation hearings as well, including trump's pick for secretary of state marco rubio, south dakota governor and self-confessed puppy killer kristi noem, who's trump's pick to lead the department of homeland security. russell vowed to the project. 2025 architect who's up for director of the office of management and budget and 2020 election denier pam bondi, trump's second choice for attorney general after matt gaetz flamed out. joining me now is ben rhodes, former deputy national security advisor in the obama administration and msnbc political analyst. it's good to see you, ben. it seems to me that the criteria for whether or not these people are qualified is not whether they actually have any actual experience doing

the job, it is loyalty. this is what the associated press, the trump team apparently is questioning. even civil servants who just currently work at the national security council about whether they're committed to his agenda. trump's pick for national security adviser matt walsh in recent days publicly signaled his intention to get rid of all nonpolitical appointees and career intelligence officials serving on the nsc. msnbc by inauguration day to ensure the council is staffed with those who support trump's agenda. so if that's what the civil servants are going through, why should we expect any of these people to be asked about their qualifications by republicans? >> yeah, i mean, that's right, joy. this is what they foreshadowed with project 2025. i mean, that's what this is, quite literally. so whatever trump said to distance himself from the campaign, what we're seeing now is the manifestation of an agenda in which you're taking the united states government and trying to turn it into the extension of the personal interests and political interests of donald trump. and that is unprecedented. that's not how it's normally done. i mean, people may think, you

know, the president comes in and hires a bunch of people, but the reality is the vast majority of personnel in the government, particularly in areas like law enforcement and national security, there are people with expertise in a certain region or in a certain field. what's happening now is that's being totally demolished and devalued and replaced by who is going to be the most loyal to donald trump. it's obviously a recipe for groupthink. at a minimum. it's also a recipe for acting on some relatively dangerous ideas. and it's night and day from you know, i didn't agree with jim mattis and rex tillerson, world views and a lot of things, but it is night and day from the first trump term. so this is going to be very different this time around, right? >> i mean, we've got kash patel, who at least according to reports, was messing around with declassifying documents in order to help michael flynn, who had allegedly spoken with a russian official without authorization and who is a big backer of the big lie and other things with trump. that guy is probably going to be the next fbi director. we've got even sam alito on the supreme court

calling trump to do background checks to make sure his former, you know, aide is sufficiently loyal. despite having worked for william barr. i mean, we've got tulsi gabbard, who the people most enthusiastic about her nomination to be in our national security administration is that russia loves her. the people most enthusiastic are russians. why would that be? >> well, because that her worldview has been totally aligned with kind of putin critique of nato support for putin ally and bashar al assad. i think what we have to get our minds around, particularly with hegseth and tulsi gabbard and kash patel, is that on the surface, they're not qualified for these jobs, right? and then on on top of that, they're allegations of all kinds of misconduct by them. and so in the normal kind of washington confirmation hearing game, you know, it's like, well, these people, they must not be able to get through because of it. but the point is that's why he picked them. like he picked

people for the i mean, if you think about what a government is at core, there are no functions more kind of fundamental to the monopoly on power that a government has than military force and law enforcement. and having an intelligence community that can operate in the shadows. those are the three places where he's chosen the most extreme nominees. and pete hegseth and tulsi gabbard and kash patel, that's the whole point. and so i think in addition to kind of pointing out and trying to kind of illuminate the lack of qualifications that these people have and some of the strange things that they've said and done, there really has to be an interrogation of what do these people want to do in these places? you know, what does tulsi gabbard want to do in the intelligence committee? what does pete hegseth going to do if donald trump asks him to use the united states military to quash anti-trump protest or to deport people in this country, or to go to war with greenland, for instance? you know, we have to start taking this seriously and connecting who these characters are to what agenda they're being

put in place to carry out. >> right. and especially since they're also de-professionalizing the civil service underneath them, which in the first trump term could stop some of donald trump's wilder ideas while they're getting rid of all those people and replacing them with people who are also onside and who don't have any other agenda. but whatever trump wants. so there will be nobody. there'll be nothing standing in their way. if they want to invade greenland, there'll be nobody to say no. strange world. don't go anywhere. ben rhodes is going to stick with us to talk about president biden's final foreign policy speech today, and the legacy that he is leaving. we'll be right back. >> you're seeing skechers famous glide step footwear everywhere. >> and now that famous design is available in hands free skechers slip ins. >> get the comfort and style of glide step now with the glide step now with the convenience of slip ins, with no ♪♪ whenever heartburn strikes, get fast relief with tums. it's time to love food back.

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of. >> our alliances are stronger than they've been in decades. nato is more capable than it's ever been today. ukraine is still free, independent country with the potential, the potential for a bright future. for the first president in decades who's not leading a war in afghanistan to his successor. i also worked to free as many americans as possible, being held hostage or wrongfully detained overseas. we brought home more than 75 americans by last count. >> it's comment on that because i think on nato, biden is absolutely right. ukraine. he's absolutely right. but when it comes to the middle east, you know, there's constant talk of, you know, we're on the brink of an israel-hamas deal. that was said again today in washington post that it kind of feels like infrastructure. biden's infrastructure week is the never, never, never achieved israel hamas deal. how would you

rate his foreign policy record? >> well, you know, it's incomplete in the sense that, you know, even ukraine, right? i mean, russia has had the upper hand on the front line for some time now. and so they achieved something tremendous in coming to their assistance. but that story is not over. definitely he strengthened alliances, but alliances are in service of an end. it's not an end in and of itself to have strong alliances. so there's been competent management of challenges, competent management of relationships. but, you know, joy, you point out the glaring case, the i wish that they would at least acknowledge that this is not gone the way they wanted it to in the middle east. on this kind of legacy tour, they either try to not talk about gaza, or they kind of try to act like, you know, it's where they expected it to be. no, this has been a horrific carnage in the middle east for well over a yea, at which they've had no capacity to really influence prime minister netanyahu. donald trump seems to have had more influence

on netanyahu, because he's made clear that he wants this taken care of by his inauguration. and so, look, that's not to say that they didn't do a lot of good things they did. but i there's something kind of out of touch with the degree to which they're taking victory laps on things that a war in ukraine that is still raging, even if there is a cease fire for hostage deal in gaza. that's not the end of the suffering for the people in gaza, or the end of potential conflict in the middle east. and so i think that the difficulties here, you know, donald trump's coming in the world is kind of a mess. they did some really good things. but, you know, we're all going to be here on january 21st. and those things are still going to be there. those challenges. >> let me play a little clip from from 60 minutes. this is a former diplomat talking about gaza. >> what is happening in gaza would not be able to happen without u.s. arms. that's without a doubt. >> i would show the complicity that was indisputable. >> fragments of u.s. bombs next

to massacres of mostly children. and that's the devastation. it's been overwhelmingly children. i would show images of children that were starved to death. in one incident, i was basically berated, don't put that image in there. we don't want to see it. we don't want to see that the children are starving to death. >> then, i mean, i think there's an argument to be made that the most sort of egregious error of the biden foreign policy is, is middle east in gaza and the and the weird inability to even see the suffering to acknowledge it. and one could argue it's one of the big reasons that his chosen successor, vice president kamala harris, lost people, stayed home, in part because they're angry about the carnage in gaza. and they i do not understand why he and the administration can't see it. >> yeah. i mean, you don't get to pick what happens, you know, in the world while you're president. this happened october

7th. this horrific terrorist attack happened. and everything that's happened since then, as was pointed out, every plane that drops a bomb on gaza has been provided by the united states. those 200 0 pound bombs that have been dropped on refugee camps are provided by the united states. tens of thousands of children and women have been killed in gaza, with arms provided by the united states, with no conditions. throughout the entire thing, the united states has made demands for israel to stop or to show restraint that israel ignored. that's just the reality of it. and you're right. people can disagree about the policy. it's frustrating that they don't seem to even be willing to acknowledge that the people that are upset about this have a point of view, and i wish there was some more of that in this, in this legacy tour. >> it's a bigger question for the democratic party, too, because there's a party issue on this, and i don't understand that. this is the compassionate party that cares about people. but when it comes to this issue, this this president who's a good, decent, compassionate man in every other aspect, i don't understand this blind spot, but it's there. ben rhodes, we always appreciate you. thank

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fox, jesse watters blamed indigenous people for those wildfires because they pressured governor gavin newsom to remove dams. >> he tore more dams down for than anybody in the history of this country, because the native americans told him to do it because it would save some salmon. now look at this. >> now, to be clear, the removal of dams played absolutely no role in water shortages in los angeles because it was 500 miles away. jesse doesn't blame the real cause of the devastation, which is increased droughts, unpredictable hurricane force winds, and lack of water caused by the climate crisis. nor does he blame the oil companies, who are about to get carte blanche access to federal lands, to drill and drill and drill till the earth expires. joining me now is the nation's first indigenous cabinet member, interior secretary deb haaland. i'm just going to let you respond to the people who have the nerve, the nerve to blame

the indigenous of this land, who owned this whole country before europeans came here for the wildfires in california. your response, ma'am? >> joy, thank you for having me. and you know, i expect this from climate deniers. and climate deniers are consistently trying to find excuses for why we shouldn't have to pay attention to the to this crisis that caused these wildfires in the first place. >> you know, healthy ecosystems help to protect our planet. and unfortunately, the climate crisis in the state it is now has has, you know, it causes these terrible 100 mile an hour winds. it exacerbates these fires. and it is really shameful, quite frankly, that instead of having the compassion, i mean, where is the humanity of these people? >> people lost their lives in these fires. people lost their

homes, homes. >> they raised their families in. and i think what we need to do is concentrate on thanking our firefighters, the heroes of our time, for dropping what they're doing in other states. the native american firefighters that have deployed to california to help with these fires. we need to thank them. we need to ensure that we are helping people to get through this terrible crisis. >> instead of blaming native americans, which of course, is absurd. >> native people are our first stewards of our lands and in fact, joy. if we didn't feel that native americans have something to teach us, we wouldn't have our for over 400 co stewardship agreements that we have with tribes right now that help us steward our lands. >> let me say that, you know, the colonization of this country had a lot of impacts clearly on

indigenous people who were largely wiped off the face of the earth, both by violence and by disease. but then even those who survived were subject to an attempt to colonize and erase their history. you, one of your, i think, finest achievements as secretary has been to make public the abuse of indigenous, of native children in these so-called boarding schools. can you talk a little bit about that achievement? because it is something for which i think your community is incredibly grateful. you know, thousands of students died in these so-called boarding schools. >> absolutely. joy, thank you so much for asking about that. our federal indian boarding school initiative was championed by career staff and my colleagues, appointed by president biden to really shine a light on this terrible history. children kidnaped from their families and taken sometimes thousands of

miles away, to boarding schools, where they were stripped of their complete identity and forced into military style boot camps. really, where really the focus of the schools was not academics or anything like that. it was essentially to get children off of their lands, away from their communities, so they could essentially turn them into mainstream americans. they wanted to get every single native person off of their land so that they could take their land, essentially. and that was really one of the ways they did that. >> it is a horrific history. it is a part of american history. it is not taught enough in schools, but we will not allow the people and the people who's who claim their legacy to forget it. secretary deb haaland, thank you for all that you've done for this country. and thank you for being here with us tonight. and thank you. cheers. and that is tonight's reidout hears inside

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