inheriting. >> the fallout from meta ceo mark zuckerberg's decision to end fact checking. >> what's your message to concerned voters about where the country may be headed after the biden administration leaves actually behind closed doors? >> they're still asking what the hell happened? >> that is tonight's last word. the 11th hour with stephanie ruhle starts now. >> the death toll climbs in the l.a. area. wildfires as high winds are set to cause critical fire conditions until wednesday. we've got the latest from the ground on the wildfires and california's insurance crisis. then money, power, politics, new reporting on former lobbyists scoring top, top jobs in the trump administration. plus, lawmakers are bracing for a train wreck of confirmation hearings. we're previewing the

big week on capitol hill for trump's picks like pete hegseth. as the 11th hour gets underway on this monday night. good evening once again. i'm stephanie ruhle and tomorrow morning will mark one week since the wildfires began burning in los angeles. and right now, the national weather service is sounding the alarm again about what this week might have in store for the area. the agency is warning about dry air and wind gusts up to 70mph, calling it a particularly dangerous situation for fires. right now, as we know, of 24 people are dead and at least 23 still missing. >> we know at least 12,000 buildings have been destroyed, many of them homes, and the fires combined have burned 40,000 acres. >> that is nearly three times the size of manhattan. and experts say this new information that people are very worried about. >> huge plumes of hazardous

smoke from the wildfires could pose a deadly risk, not just in los angeles, but up to hundreds of miles away, one environmental health scientist told the new york times that because of this smoke, the current death counts are likely, quote, large underestimates. >> i want to bring in nbc's diana griffin. she is live in pacific palisades, where the largest of the fires is still burning. >> diana, thank you for joining us at this late hour. >> what are you seeing tonight? >> well, stephanie, i can tell you that right now we are noticing a significant increase in the winds compared to what we saw or what we felt earlier today. >> and this is not even the window of the red flag warning. i just checked. >> gusts were about nine miles per hour. >> but when you've had a day of really calm winds or no winds at all, you definitely notice a difference and maybe you can hear a little bit of it on the mic behind us. we are outside of the neighborhood where we saw atf investigators earlier today walking through this area. we

believe this is possibly a potential origin of the fire. now, the organization has not confirmed that, but this is the first time today that we have seen or first time since this fire broke out, that we have seen some sort of active investigation just behind us. they've got tape all around to kind of keep people out of the area. earlier today, we were a little further south into the palisades area, and we were kind of following a fire crew there from el segundo to south of los angeles. and they are here just kind of monitoring homes that have already burned to the ground. but we saw them sending fire hoses and water, shooting over into these homes that have already burned down, because they say it's some of these areas are still smoldering, and we've got some wind gusts coming through here that is knocking over a bag near our crew. so again, this is what we are preparing for coming up in the next 48 hours. the wind gusts that you mentioned are going to reach 40 to 70mph, creating the

similar conditions that caused this massive fire. i was mentioning earlier that fire crew that was spraying water into homes that had already burned down. the reason they do that is because there are still some smoldering areas and you might think, well, the house is already burned. why do they need to, you know, keep putting water on it? well, it's like a campfire. it looks like it's out, but it can cause potential hazardous conditions because once those wind gusts pick up, it could blow embers to houses that have not burned down. so that is the major concern. so you've got the eaton fire, which for the most part has not gained any new acreage since last night, which is a good sign because they've gotten a good amount of containment around it. but there is still a concern that these wind gusts will not only spread the current fires, but also start new ones. there are going to be some power shutoffs just for just preemptively, just to keep power lines from potentially causing new fires. and people are reminded to be safe. today we heard from the da who talked about an arson arrest, also

looting arrests to remind people that they will not stand for anyone breaking the law. and if you want to try to take advantage of this really threatening weather, they will hold you accountable. they arrested three people who burglarized a home in the mandeville canyon area and stole some $200,000 worth of items, according to the da. and also talking about an unrelated arson arrest for a fire. not the ones that we're talking about currently, but that that could have potentially grown to something really massive. so there's a major concern. you've got firefighters that are being preemptively staged throughout the region in southern california. hopefully they can respond to whatever fires pop up. hopefully that doesn't happen, but anything could happen. >> arsonists and looters, if they thought the fires were hot, wait till they're burning in hell. >> dana, thank you so much for your reporting. we appreciate you being there. now, during an emergency like this, one word you hear a lot is resources. usually you hear it in terms of

first responders have to do to help the situation manpower, water, aircraft, things like that. but there are other key resources in this chaos that are just as important. time and attention are two of the biggest ones. and right now, leaders are being forced to waste those precious resources to deal with online misinformation and flat out rumors. the public information officer for the los angeles fire department told the wall street journal. this, quote, we're trying to battle the most devastating natural disaster in los angeles history. it takes people and time to track down or debunk social media rumors. it takes us away from doing much more important things. i want to talk about this and bring in anna merlan, senior reporter for mother jones. she covers technology, extremism and disinformation. help us understand this. why are leaders like the governor and agency heads, like the fire department, being forced to respond to, you know, tweet rumors that start by random

accounts but then pick up so much steam that you've got the governor having press conferences to address this stuff. >> well, much like the fires that we're seeing here in los angeles, we're facing a perfect storm. >> there has been a huge outgrowth in climate related misinformation. >> at the same time that social media companies have effectively elected not to police it anymore. you know, last week, meta announced that it will no longer be conducting the same level of fact checking on factual claims that it used to earlier. >> companies like twitter, now known as x, made similar choices. >> and in the absence that that vacuum creates, we have disinformation spreading, sorry to say it like wildfire, but what makes what makes wildfire? >> what makes this situation so ripe for misinformation and rumor spreading? is it that that

that people are so panicked and starved for information and so easily triggered because we're all on edge? >> yes, i can definitely speak for myself. i'm very on edge, yes. so there's a couple of things here. one is that every natural disaster, especially recently, has been subject to the same kinds of conspiracy theories and misinformation, especially when, as in the cases of these fires, the causes are not yet well understood. people are looking for someone to blame. they're confused, they're frightened, and into that gap. bad actors appear to offer explanations that they think will be good to grow their audience. frankly, in a lot of cases, you know, and also you have folks just searching on social media for news about these situations. and so these folks know that they will be able to grab some eyeballs that way. >> is that what happens when, you know, because of monetization and social media algorithms, those quote unquote

bad actors are financially motivated to rage as far and wide as they can. >> i mean, yeah, it is important to point out that x, specifically verified accounts, now are able to monetize their posts. >> so in some cases, it could be argued that people have a financial incentive to spread information that creates engagement. and in some cases that is going to be false information. information that makes people feel angry, nervous, scared, on edge and want to keep tuned in to find out what happens next. >> you wrote about how it's not just rage out there that that there are actually plenty of people i can't even believe i'm saying this. >> celebrating these fires on social media. >> what in the world is going on? >> unfortunately, one of the things that we are seeing on social media is that because los angeles is a large city, it is a very diverse city. it is also a city where there are a lot of celebrities. some folks are

saying, you know, that this is that this is poetic justice, that this is you know, i today saw an influencer saying suggesting that this was literally a punishment from god. these are these are very disturbing claims. they're very ugly. and again, i fear that we will see more of this going forward because climate disasters are going to affect all of us. and there's always going to be somebody out there to celebrate who it's happening to. >> well, we're certainly not celebrating any of it, and we're going to keep covering the truth every night. anna, thank you for your reporting and i hope you get through this week. okay. i know it is a dangerous and scary time in la. i appreciate you being here. >> thank you so much for having me. >> and speaking of online rage, right now, there is a lot of anger aimed at insurance companies in los angeles. that is because just months ago, they told many, many homeowners in the area that their home insurance policies would be dropped. so let's just talk about it. i want to bring in ben

collier, temple university associate professor of risk management and specifically insurance. this is such a complicated topic. it is easy for people to see that headline, to look at these homes burning and say, what were these insurance companies thinking? how could they cancel policies? can you just explain the rage that the insurance companies are facing? why? why did all of this happen? >> great. >> so thank you, stephanie, for having me on. and my thoughts and prayers are with the families dealing with this tragedy and seen so many difficult personal stories like you're including on your show, including challenges with insurance. >> so thank you for covering that. >> the california insurance market has was already in a tough spot before this event, just like many of us insurers have been looking out the window and seeing that wildfires are getting more frequent and more severe, and the risk has grown even compared to a decade ago. >> and so insurers bear the cost of repairing and replacing the policies their policyholders

homes. >> and so for insurers, greater risk means greater costs, which means they have to charge higher prices to stay in business. >> this is true across the board, across the us. these dynamics are certainly happening in california. they're happening in hurricane prone places like florida and louisiana, but they're also happening in the midwest and severe storm due to severe storms and flooding in vermont. >> and so one thing that's different about california is it's very tough for insurance companies to adjust the premium rates that they charge. and so the premium has gotten so bad that a number of insurers have decided to leave the state. >> but but go back. so if i'm an insurance company and it's going to cost me way, way more to offer these policies because of the risk, why not just raise people's premiums? they won't like it, but at least it will offer them actual insurance. why just drop them completely? why did that happen in california? >> it's much more difficult in california than most states because of a crisis in the 1980s

that was unrelated to homeowners insurance markets or the current challenges. today, there's a proposition that voters passed in the state of california that limited the amount that insurers could raise their rates. >> so this was not today. >> this was a different time in a different place. but the implications of it today is that insurers are limited in their ability to adjust, and many of them decide that they'd rather not participate in the market than offer the low rates, that their rates that are low relative to their costs. >> so then fewer insurers go ahead then isn't this situation going to get even worse? >> like, i get it in theory, right? even if it was in the 80s, people said insurance prices are out of control. so we're going to cap what insurance companies can charge us in terms of premiums. but the insurance companies then turn around and say, well, listen, at that price, we can't stay in business if we provide insurance, so we're going to pick up and leave, okay. if that's the situation that we're in in california and we know we're going to see more and more severe weather events, do you

foresee insurance going away completely in places like california or the midwest or down in florida? >> no, i don't think insurance is going away completely. to make homes more insurable. we do need to build differently. we need to think about where we're living. insurance is not disappearing. and i think the point is a good one, that california is different than other states. we have a lot of models. each state has its own insurance market. so we have many models where we can see other states where insurance prices have gone up, but they're available. what's happened in california is many insurers have exited. more and more people are relying on a state run insurer of last resort called the fair plan. it's grown by like nine times since 2018. it's a high risk area. it's a high risk pool. it's expensive to get coverage. the coverage is much less generous than other insurers. and that state run pool is running out of resources. its resources are going to be exhausted in this event. so i think one of the challenges of limiting the abilities of insurers to adjust their rates is that more of the

burden of recovery falls on the state. >> so what do you think's going to happen? all of these people out there who either lost their insurance completely or fear that their insurance won't cover it? will california? will the us government, either the state government or the federal government? do we know if they're going to come in and backstop this? i mean, it seems like people just, you know, it's easy to say, oh, go find shelter, go stay in a hotel. but people might have no idea what their long term plan is. i mean, go stay in a hotel somewhere. it gets really expensive very quickly. >> absolutely. so the many people whose policies were canceled ended up being moved to this fair plan. their mortgage. homeowners have to have insurance because their mortgage lender requires it. so many of them have moved to that program. the people that don't have insurance tend to be those who don't have a mortgage. so part of the question is, how do we pay for all these claims for these losses that households incurred through the fair plan, too? and those will fall largely

on it looks like, on the people of california to help pay for those claims over the next coming years. there may be federal help in that case. we don't know. we've never been in a situation where this fair plan's run out of funds for people that didn't have insurance at all. they're in a really challenging spot. there are resources that can help households like that recover their low interest loans offered by the federal government. those are not, as you know, those are challenging compared to insurance because many people already have debt. and so taking on a loan to repair your home is a challenging prospect for many people. >> and it's not just their home, right? >> you know, people keep saying, oh, you know, you didn't necessarily lose a life. you lost just your things, but your things, your home, all of its contents. that's the evidence of your life. that's that's it's a lot for people to take on. ben, thank you so much for explaining all of this. it is such a distressing, heated time. it is easy for people to be upset and trying to explain these things

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podcasts. >> you deserve leadership in washington that does not answer to the lobbyists, to the bureaucrats, or to the corrupt special interests, but answers only to you, the hard working citizens of america. >> donald trump, over and over has vowed to run corporate lobbyists out of washington, but now he is giving them big, big roles in his next administration. incoming chief of staff susan wiles. incoming attorney general pam bondi both cut their teeth at florida based lobbying firm ballard partners. according to federal lobbying disclosures, corporations have raced to sign ballard partners to represent them since trump's win. and since wiles was announced as chief of staff, they have signed 28 new clients looking to influence, you guessed it, federal policy. judd legum is the founder and author of the political newsletter popular information. he joins me now. judd, you're going to change that name to crucial. critical must read newsletter

within the next two weeks, i hope. explain this to us, because before we get into donald trump, let's be honest, washington dc is filled with people who go from working in the federal government, working in a white house to being a lobbyist, and they go back and forth and back and forth. that can be said of president biden's administration. i mean, anita dunn is one of his closest advisors, and she founded her own strategic communications firm for years and years and years. and you know what they did? lobbying, essentially. so this is not unusual. explain to us why the trump situation is different. >> well, i think you're absolutely right. you know, lobbying is endemic to washington dc. trump has a slightly different posture coming in to this new administration because when he was campaigning, he was campaigning like the clip that you showed introducing this segment, saying that we need to get rid of lobbyists, we need to get rid of their influence. he would not listen to lobbyists.

there was a very popular podcast deal where he went on and talked about how we should maybe ban all people who work in government from ever becoming lobbyists again. so he really adopted this populist mantle. but literally the first nominee announcement, the first appointment he made after winning the election in november was susan wiles, who worked for ballard partners, which is really the premier trump connected lobbying firm and then went on to appoint pam bondi. of course, he appointed he nominated matt gaetz first, but then replaced him with pam bondi, who also worked for the same firm. and you're now in a position where they're going to have major roles determining

policy that impacts directly impacts their former clients. >> this is just extraordinary when you think about trump's rhetoric and what he's actually doing. but i want to cover a new topic. you're not covering it, but the wall street journal has reporting that the trump family now wants to reclaim their d.c. hotel. if you're a member, of course you do. you reported on it. they faced all sorts of corruption, corruption allegations in his first term. right. foreign governments, different businesses, people who wanted to curry favor with the white house through events, booked room, booked entire floors. while donald trump at the time denied any of those claims. and of course, as soon as he left office, he sold the property. and since then he has shown no public interest in trying to get it back so suddenly. now there's reporting, oh, the trumps want to buy that hotel again? what can you tell us? why now? >> well, you know what you had in this first term of the trump

administration when he did own that hotel, which has subsequently been rebranded? you had major or foreign, foreign, foreign countries who would hold events year after year after year in other hotels. i know the kuwaiti government for years held their annual event at the four seasons hotel in georgetown. they all moved these events to the trump hotel. of course, at the time, it's a little bit different than now. in 2016, trump would talk about taking steps to try to take care of these issues, these conflicts of interest, and said that he would donate all of the profits that come from foreign governments who stayed at the hotel. of course, it's very difficult to calculate exactly what that is, how much money they spent, how much was profit,

and who's really keeping track of all of that money. and it appeared to be very lucrative for him. and it looks like they might be exploring opening up that avenue again. >> okay, here's what i really want to know. how are we in this position again? because during donald trump's first term, you and i both reported all the time on trump's questionable ties between his business and his government during that first administration. and when president biden was running in 2020, he said, whether it's donald trump or not, we're going to change the rules. we're going to close the loopholes. so never again in the future can there be a president that could potentially co-mingle private business and government work. it seems like none of those loopholes were closed. a why? and do you think because they weren't. trump is just going to double down on boosting his bottom line in these next four years? >> well, i think yes, i think that the conflicts that we are

presented with, with trump entering the second term really make the first term look, look quite minor in comparison. he has a active crypto company, which he's launched. you can anonymously purchase crypto tokens and 75% of the value of those tokens goes directly into trump's pocket. he has a whole host of other ventures, including his own social media company. you could you could buy advertising on that social media company if you wanted another way. none of those things existed in the first term. you did have some attorney generals try to file file suit, including over the trump hotel, for violating the emoluments clause. those lawsuits didn't get anywhere. >> okay, but then, sorry for interrupting. i'm out of time. but then i have to know. then why didn't the current administration do anything over the last four years to ensure that any future president, while it was trump or not, couldn't do

these things again? because now we're getting it again, even worse, and it will be legal, i think. >> unfortunately, in washington, d.c, ethics tends to get put on the back burner once things get started. and that's what we've seen over the last four years. >> ethics gets put on the back burner time and again, and you wonder why the american people are frustrated with government not working for them. judd, thank you so much. i'm going to let you go because you need to rest up t minus one week and you're going to be busy. when we come back, senators are putting trump's cabinet picks in the hot seat this week, and for some, that process will be seamless, but for others, not so much. i'm looking at you, pete hegseth. looking at you, pete hegseth. we're going to here's to getting better with age. here's to beating these two every thursday. help fuel today with boost high protein, complete nutrition you need, and the flavor you love. so, here's to now... now available: boost max! -what've you got there, larry? -time machine. you gonna go back and see how the pyramids were built or something?

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hegseth, is going to kick things off tuesday. joining me now, carol leonnig, pulitzer prize winning investigative reporter with the washington post. susan glasser, staff writer for the new yorker. and david drucker, senior writer at the dispatch and author of the book in trump's shadow. all right, susan, first, they were supposed to be several hearings tomorrow. some have gotten delayed. i want to know why to that and two hegseth. he will be the main event. and the only event. how explosive do you think it's going to get? well, that's a lot to unpack there, right, steph? >> i mean, you know, we're not even at the inauguration of trump already. >> and i think tomorrow is emerging as a key early test, the nomination of pete hegseth in any other administration, you know, it's inconceivable that he would have even gotten as far as a hearing on his nomination between the allegations and the investigative reports suggesting serious professional questions around his conduct in his

previous incarnations as head of two different veterans groups, in addition to his his conduct while he has been at fox news, there's so much for senators to unpack. >> and yet my colleague jane mayer is reporting tonight in the new yorker. >> there's real questions about what kind of vetting he was really subjected to by the fbi, and whether this was actually the kind of thorough fbi report on him that i think a lot of people have been expecting. so that, i think raises real questions tomorrow. >> is it just going to be a kind of republicans rushing through kind of a hearing, or is there going to be new information that is presented or corroborating information that's presented about some of the many very serious allegations hegseth is facing? >> let's go back to that background check, carol, because nbc news has confirmed that reporting that neither of pete hegseth. s ex-wives were interviewed, nor anyone associated with that sexual misconduct allegation. what's

your take on that? one would think those would be some some key people when it comes to a background check. and of course, i do want to make it clear he has denied that allegation. but but i would think that the fbi would have some questions. i would have some questions. >> no, it was reminding me stuff of what we learned in the wake of brett kavanaugh's supreme court nomination and how, after he was accused of specific sexual harassment, he, the key witnesses and potential witnesses at his college and elsewhere were not interviewed by the fbi. and here your nbc, the new yorker and the washington post, my colleagues are reporting that key women who made these allegations were not interviewed by the fbi, according to people familiar with this background check. it raises that that that that question, like, who's telling the fbi not to follow up on these matters? one of the most

important things about a background check by the fbi is it's supposed to be fairly exhaustive. you may remember that if any of your friends ever were being considered for a federal job, an fbi agent came to your neighbor's home and asked, hey, what are they like? do they party too much? >> are they? you ever see them with anyone unusual? >> what's their behavior like? and here when we have actual allegations with people's names behind them, those folks are not being interviewed. >> that is interesting, david. the new york times is reporting on gop. really on the gop, really ramping up pressure on senators to back hegseth. right. lobbying is not a new thing. but but this kind of pressure campaign, is that unusual to you? >> no, not at all. >> and in fact, during the biden administration, there is a whole new ecosystem of trump aligned groups outside of what we think of as the sort of conservative activist base in the pre-trump era. >> and they've been planning to

help trump push these nominees through. >> pete hegseth is somebody that they want in particular, in part because they don't want trump to lose. they see a real political downside in terms of how he how he works with congress, his ability to strong arm members of congress in his own party. and so they want this victory. they want all of these victories. >> they also want any of the candidates that they, you know, look at as disrupters. right? so the more that there are media inquiries into people like pete hegseth, into people like tulsi gabbard, whether for competence issues, for qualification issues or for personal issues, they look at this as a essentially going to political war. >> and so you're going to have a number of groups here who want to win for the sake of winning, but also want in particular, these particular nominees that they view as disrupters. >> right? so the less qualified they appear to be in a curse

from a cursory look in the way we might look at things, the more they want them. >> all right, susan, this was interesting to me because democratic senator john fetterman from pennsylvania has already said he will support the nominations of sean duffy, elise stefanik and marco rubio. >> do you think we will see more democrats getting behind some of these nominees, meaning they're not just going to unilaterally block every nominee, but they want to draw a line and say, marco rubio might not be my homeboy, but i could live with him and try to try to try to draw a line and say, but pete hegseth, rfk jr, tulsi gabbard, there's something different. do you think other people are going to follow fetterman in this? >> yeah. >> i mean, look, that's the precedent that we saw in the first trump administration, where you had many democrats actually did vote for a number of trump's nominees. now we're eight years more into it. and there's a very different kind of cabinet appointees being put

together here by by trump 2.0. but i do think that you will see some democratic senators crossing party lines. that's the history of cabinet appointments in this country have always been largely bipartisan. it's really very unusual, in fact, that there would be this kind of knockdown, drag out fights over such a large number of potential cabinet appointments. >> it's very unusual in the history of washington, even recent history. >> so, yes, i definitely expect some democratic senators to be voting for some of these nominees. however, when it comes to pete hegseth, i would be extremely surprised, if not shocked, to see any democratic senator supporting him. and remember, the numbers are tight here for the trump administration. they can only lose up to three republican votes, assuming that democrats do hang together and in any individual nomination, there might be different potential republican senators who might be considering voting against pete hegseth than those who might be

considering voting against rfk jr. but at the same time, you know, i'm really struck by the fact that this is not the republican party of eight years ago, when those first votes were being taken in the first trump cabinet. it's the democrats have changed, but the republicans have changed more. they are now the party of donald trump in every possible way. and, you know, i think the default expectation has to be that these senators are going to support trump and they're going to support even previously unthinkable nominees. and by the way, you know, the world has changed. the washington post, you pointed out that they drew a distinction between pete hegseth and some of the other nominees. i was really struck that the washington post said it was okay to go for donald trump's nominee for attorney general, a woman who served not only as his personal lawyer, but is one of the leaders of the election denier caucus. how is it

possible that the editorial board of the washington post, separate from carol and her colleagues in the newsroom, are supporting for attorney general someone like that? so, you know, again, trump is asking senators to go along with, you know, the most extreme cabinet really probably in american history. >> i no one would like to think, you know, when you're down at mar-a-lago, they're putting forward this idea that everything is going smooth sailing, but chaos is here. it's upon us tomorrow, and it's certainly going to be upon us in a week. and adding to the chaos, a portion of the special counsel report on election interference is potentially going to be released before inauguration day. carol, what could we learn? >> there are several things we could learn. one is the degree to which donald trump's hands were in the stew, essentially, of encouraging, exhorting and

pressing and probably manipulating individuals to steer an election his way to avoid the certification, block it in some way. i think that we will be able to get some potential flesh that even amid all the things we know, steph, because of good reporting, because of things we learned about the investigation as it was going on. and even before that, even though we have a tape recording of, you know, donald trump pressuring the georgia secretary of state to find him 11,000 votes. and the washington post published that days after that call took place. even though we have all that evidence, there is still more that jack smith can get because of the kind of power he had and because of all the dots he was connecting. again, i think the most central thing is the way in which donald trump would have been pushing individuals and potentially admitting that he

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