victims or survivors live here in the state of florida and in other parts of the country. heidi heitkamp and carlos curbelo, i thank you both for being with us this morning. really appreciate it. that wraps up the hour for me. i'm jose diaz-balart. you can always reach me on social media at jd balart. you can watch clips from this show at youtube, at msnbc.com/jdb. and i want to thank you for the privilege of your time. andrea mitchell picks up with white house national security communications advisor john kirby next. >> right now on andrea mitchell reports infighting in israel's cabinet delaying ratification of the cease fire deal is new strikes in gaza leave more than 70 dead, including dozens of women and children, while at the same time there is a hang up from hamas. a key details about which prisoners would be released and where they would go while hostage families hold out hope that this is just a temporary setback, i'll talk to the mother of an american

hostage in just a few moments. >> also, more trump cabinet picks get grilled by senate democrats with little chance of derailing their confirmation. >> and after a half century of public service, president biden's farewell speech with a warning a tough warning about the tough industrial complex and the billionaires dominating his successors inner circle, an oligarchy is taking shape in america of extreme wealth, power and influence that literally threatens our entire democracy, our basic rights and freedoms, and a fair shot for everyone to get ahead. good day everyone. i'm andrea mitchell in washington. >> last minute disagreements between hamas and israel are delaying israel's ratification of the cease fire and hostage release deal. it had been expected earlier today. >> negotiators in doha are trying to get it back on track.

prime minister netanyahu claims that hamas has reneged on some key details, which nbc news is reporting include the names of some of the palestinian prisoners, as well as where some of them would be permitted to go once they're released by israel. it's a charge hamas is denying the us is still confident it can be ironed out. >> this is a moment of tremendous relief for israelis and palestinians alike. the daughter of one hostage spoke for many when she said, i can't wait to see them come back to their families. i'm so desperate to see them. i am confident and i fully expect that implementation will begin. as we said on sunday. look, it's not exactly surprising that in a process and a negotiation that has been this challenging and this fraught, you may get a loose end. we're tying up that loose end as we speak. i've been on the phone in one way or another all morning with brett

mcgurk, with our qatari friends. and i'm very confident that we this this is moving forward and we'll see the start of implementation of the agreement on sunday. >> two americans are among the 33 hostages who would be released in the first phase of the deal, a framework president biden first proposed last may. >> the road to this deal has not been easy. i've worked in foreign policy for decades. this is one of the toughest negotiations i've ever experienced. with nowhere to turn, moscow finally agreed to releasing hostages. you know, there was no other way for this war to end than with the hostage deal. and i'm deeply satisfied this day has come. finally come. >> the deal is supposed to bring the first real break in violence in more than a year. overnight, israel launched intense airstrikes, killing at least 80 gazans, according to the palestinian health ministry run by hamas. >> incredibly, a young boy was

rescued from the rubble. volunteers found him digging himself out with his own hands. >> joining me now is white house national security communications adviser john kirby. so welcome. thank you for being with us. i know you've got one more day in this critical job. yes. tell us nothing's easy at the white house. >> what do you know about this last minute hold up in israel? >> israel is blaming hamas. hamas is denying it again. we have reports also of israeli infighting with those two right wing ministers. >> well, i'll leave the israelis to speak to their domestic politics. but that's right, andrea, there have been some what i would call implementing details that that there was a kink in some some differences here between the two sides. but the president has been updated by mr. sullivan, our national security adviser, and has been apprized of where we are. we do believe that we're going to be able to close those remaining gaps. this is not an issue that

is going to derail the whole implementation of the deal. and as secretary blinken rightly said, we fully expect and we're confident that we're going to be able to get this deal in place by, by sunday. >> and in that case, you're confident that the deal will be in place and that the first hostages, hostages, which we are told will be three badly, badly injured israeli women, women who are not in good shape, those three would be coming out on sunday. >> and that's right, at least two americans in the coming days after that. that's right, that's right. i can't give you a date certain when the americans will come out, but we know that there's a couple of americans in this first tranche and this first tranche for phase one of the six weeks of phase one is really comprises the elderly, the sick and wounded and women, of course. and so there are a couple of americans who qualify under those criteria. and we expect that they'll be able to come out sometime in this first

tranche. >> but if the deal were to fall apart in those coming days, the americans would, would be trapped. >> well, of course, i mean, if for some reason we don't get to implementation, then of course, not only do you not get hostages out, but you don't get a cease fire. and the people of gaza are under continued threat. you don't get a surge in humanitarian assistance. that's why the deal is so important. but again, i want to stress we believe these remaining issues are going to be ironed out and flattened. i think we're going to be fine and we should be able we're confident the president is confident that we'll be able to get to implementation this weekend. >> of course, this is particularly critical for eden alexander, because he would not be among the first two americans who come out in that first phase, presumably because he's not injured. he doesn't qualify as injured, elderly or a woman. >> yeah. the first tranche really is focused on what we would consider the most at risk hostages. you've got to remember, these folks have been

held hostage now for more than a year in the most depraved conditions, tortured and beaten and just, just, just utter barbaric conditions. and so we want to make sure that in this first tranche, we focus on those that are in the most desperate need to get out. i'm not suggesting that that he or others aren't desperate to get out. none of them should be held hostage. of course we want them all out. but in this first phase, it's focused on these, these, these hostages that are most at risk in terms of health. we will get the rest of them out, but it's going to require both sides during phase one to do the proper establishment of all the conditions for phase two. >> now, you've said it doesn't matter who who gets the credit for this deal. donald trump, an hour and a half before the president announced it when on truth social, taking the credit, there has been very close cooperation and coordination in these last few weeks, and particularly in the last week when steve witkoff, his envoy,

was on the ground in doha and back and forth, and one instance that was quoted witkoff was with netanyahu in israel and brett mcgurk, the white house envoy, was on a speakerphone from doha. so they've really been going back and forth. yeah, it strikes me that that one of the big factors of donald trump's initial social truth social post on december 2nd, which he amplified in his news conference a week ago tuesday, that there'll be hell to pay in the middle east. he said to hamas, hell to pay if this deal isn't done by the inaugural. it strikes me that this had, if perhaps more influence, even on netanyahu. it was flexibility in those last weeks, at least on both sides, that we had not seen before. >> yeah, no, the president talked about this yesterday. he wanted us to work as one team, a team of americans. it doesn't matter that democrat or republican, right or left, outgoing or incoming. he wanted us to work together as one team

to get these hostages home. and that's what the american people expect. that's what the hostages expect and their families expect. that's what the people of gaza would expect. and i don't think that the hostages or their families are sitting around right now trying to figure out who gets the most credit. i don't think the people of gaza are doing that either. they just want this war to end and this deal, the deal the president put in place back in may will do that. eventually. it will end this war. it will bring needed relief to the palestinian people. and just as critically, it will end the fighting and get those hostages home. and the president wanted to make sure that we were reaching out assertively to the incoming team to make sure that they were involved and fully participant, fully participants in this process. because now as we get ready to leave, they're going to be the ones that have to actually work on the implementation over the coming weeks and months. >> now, after the bombs start falling and the airstrikes stop and there were airstrikes overnight, the crisis doesn't end. and how can you be sure

that enough aid is going to finally get in? because since the siege began on october 8th, there it's been stops and starts and only a trickle and protests quietly by blinken and lloyd austin in april. and again just in november. >> that's why when the president put this deal on the table again last spring, this element of humanitarian assistance was baked right in a surge in humanitarian aid was one of the prerequisites for president biden to be able to advance and forward and sign off on this framework. he wanted to make sure that the people of gaza would get much more food, water, medicine, all the staples that they need to subsist. after now more than a year of devastating conflict that's baked into it. and so the israelis have committed, hamas has committed to not only facilitate the movement of this humanitarian assistance into gaza, but to

facilitate the safe and secure movement of that humanitarian assistance to desperate people in need all throughout gaza. that's baked into this process. and that's why, again, it was so important to have mr. witkoff completely connected here with brett mcgurk so that he also knows what those implementing details are for the humanitarian assistance, and he'll be able to monitor it. >> now, we've just been told that the israeli government has announced they're going to meet on friday, not today. and then the cabinet first was the security cabinet, then the cabinet, the cabinet, then the government approves it. so that ratification is the very earliest would be friday night. will that delay is sunday release? there's a 48 hour waiting period. >> it should not. we don't anticipate that being requiring a delay in implementation. >> let me ask you something about the strikes overnight, because the women and children were killed targeting a building where supposedly hamas says one woman hostage. so that would be

an israeli woman was also there and was being sheltered. and we don't know what happened to her. do you know anything about that? >> no, ma'am. i can't confirm those those reports. but look, the that's why getting this deal in place on sunday is so important. because the first thing that happens is the guns fall silent and a ceasefire falls all over gaza. and there won't be any additional strikes. there won't be any additional civilian casualties. that's why it's so critical that everybody continue to work to get to sunday implementation. but i'm sorry, i don't have information on that report. but certainly it's quite disturbing to hear. >> and let me ask you one other thing on a completely different part of the world. but in sudan, the new york times is reporting credibly that the regime military, on orders of its leaders, have used chemical weapons on at least two occasions against the rsf, the paramilitary rebel group. four senior u.s. officials are quoted

on this. if this is confirmed, what does the united states need to do? there's only i can only recall in the iran-iraq war. and, of course, with assad, that chemical weapons were used. >> right. and we know that also, you know, that russian forces in ukraine have also used chemical agents to further inflict injury and, and death on the ukrainian people. nevertheless, i can't confirm this particular report. i just saw it before coming on with you. obviously, we're going to be looking at this very, very closely. as you know, we have already issued sanctions to the parties in sudan for the damage that they have done, the lives that they have taken, the, the famine that they have caused. and we will continue to look at this very, very hard. i mean, if it if it turns out to be true, i mean, we'll certainly explore a

range of options to react to it, but it's really critical that we stay at the task of diplomacy, which we have to try to bring this conflict to an end and to support the sudanese people. and we will. >> well, retired admiral john kirby, i just want to say, since this is probably our last on air conversation. >> yeah. >> before the inaugural, i think tomorrow is your last day. yes, ma'am. i just want to thank you for what you've done through all your military career, what you did on active duty, what you did at the pentagon as the spokesperson, what you did traveling. as i know very well when you were the state department spokesman. and coming into this, this role during the afghan situation, the ukraine war, and then, of course, gaza, you've served your country, as has your whole family. so we thank you. >> thank you, andrea, i appreciate it. it's been a real privilege and an honor, and i'm grateful that the president trusted me and gave me, gave me the confidence to come here and

serve the country again. i appreciate that. >> well, thank you and lots of luck to you. i know you've also suffered through the hurricanes and terrible losses down in florida, and i hope you can enjoy some some rest before your next adventure. thank you, thank you. and joining me now is jeremy bash, former chief of staff at the cia and the pentagon during the obama administration, who knows full well the pressure of these jobs and how hard it is to be taking the incoming all the time from the press, as well as from all of the other countries around the world? >> i sure do. >> so this is now a delay. it's complicated. it's more than 100 pages. a very complex deal. should we have some confidence that they can pull this off? that it won't break down immediately? >> well, secretary blinken expressed confidence. admiral kirby expressed confidence. so i'm going to go with what they're assessing to be the

situation. and they've spoken to players in the region. but look, this is fragile. i mean, this is really difficult. implementation steps. and as you noted on sunday, we expect three women israelis who have been badly beaten may be assaulted, raped, mistreated. >> they have been sexually assaulted. >> they will be the first to come out. and like that. what happened last november when we began to see people come out, maybe that will give some momentum to the process. but talking about the americans, as you rightly noted in the first tranche, we expect to see 65 year old keith siegel, whose wife, aviva, previously was a hostage and was released. we expect to see sergei dixon from kibbutz near oz. a 36 year old father of three. and i spoke to his father, jonathan, yesterday and they are certainly expecting him to come out. but we are also thinking about, as you referenced, edan alexander, a military age male, an american citizen who may not be in the first tranche, and his parents,

you know, are going to be very concerned, as we all would be concerned that if we don't implement this right, you know, will they see their loved one? and there are also the remains of omar and itai and gadi and hagai. and so there is judy, excuse me, gadi and judy, hagai weinstein. and so there is a deep concern that the americans who have been held for so long will not come out if the parties don't stick to the deal. and i think on monday at noon, it's going to be the trump administration's job to hold the parties feet to the fire. there can't be any spiking the football. no declaration of mission accomplished. this isn't a time to celebrate. this is a time to redouble our efforts to ensure that hamas sticks to the deal, and that israel can also facilitate the release that they're obligated to undertake, and that these hostages can all come home. by the way, andrea, i don't think this means peace is breaking out in the middle east.

hamas is on their back foot. we've got players, including the houthi, who are attacking naval vessels as we speak. we are in a very dangerous period. we've got a potential vacuum in syria where the assad regime went down. so i think the incoming trump team is going to have its hands full in the middle east. any effort to say, let's not get involved, let's wait and see, let's let it play out or, you know, however, people are thinking about this a mess over there. i'm not going to get involved. that's that's a mistake. if we don't get involved, stay involved diplomatically with our military presence, with our intelligence presence and our partnerships, it's going to come back to bite us hard. >> well, in fact, i, i wrote a story on this very subject that posted yesterday, right before all of the cease fire on the fact that president trump has said, you know, that he defeated isis. and it's true that isis was soundly defeated in terms of raqqa being liberated and isis prisoners being taken in great numbers during his first term,

but that this is not our problem, he wrote. i'm paraphrasing here and suggesting that u.s. troops would be withdrawn, and we remember how much he pressured general mattis for withdrawing troops from syria before. we now have 2000 troops that we know of. and there is the potential, according to every expert i've spoken to of isis resurging now, they're already resurgent online with their propaganda, an incredible growth in what they've been able to accomplish in the last four years alone, influencing lone wolves like the allegedly like the man in new orleans. so but you know, the truck attacker. but they have followers around the world and they have cells around the world, and they can also regain a base in syria with this vacuum. correct? >> that's right. and terrorism is a significant threat. i know we all focus on the great power competition between the united states and china, the united states and russia. and those are undoubtedly the most

consequential geopolitical dynamics we're looking at and facing as a nation. but terrorism is a major threat. we've got, you know, there's going to be remnants of hamas still in gaza, including other non hamas elements, p, ij and others. you've got a very strong piaget and even hamas footprint in the west bank. you know, you've got hezbollah trying to figure out how to rebuild its capability in lebanon. you've got a vacuum in syria, you've got isis remnants inspiring, as you said, people online in a global jihad. so the united states cannot take its foot off the gas in terms of a counterterrorism strategy. and again, it's going to be up to the incoming team to do this. and i just want to say, andrew, a lot of discussion about who gets credit, who gets credit for what. who gets credit for taking out al qaeda or bin laden or isis? here's the deal. national security is a bipartisan team sport. and to paraphrase ronald reagan, a lot can get done if you don't worry about who gets the credit. you know, a lot of people are invoking reagan because of the peace through strength idea that trump has been talking about. and because we're heading towards an inauguration day reminiscent of

when the us hostages in iran came home on that inauguration weekend. if reagan were watching, i think he'd say, forget about taking credit, people. let's get all the hostages home. let's get all the americans safe. let's protect our national security interests, and then we can all be satisfied. >> thank you so much. i really appreciate all of your experience at cia, pentagon. and since understanding the region so well. >> thank you. thank you. andrea. >> and in just 90s more about the deal between israel and hamas with the top democrat on the senate foreign relations committee amid critical confirmation hearings for the trump cabinet picks. you're watching andrea mitchell reports. this is msnbc. >> what happens when you drink rice? >> mushroom coffee? >> your body feels lighter and freer. these turkey tails help cut down on bloat and balance your gut with prebiotics for smoother digestion. >> coffee without a stomach ache. whew! much better. >> want the fastest working glp

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and for kenadie to get treatment here without having to pay anything was amazing. the potentially historic middle east cease fire and hostage release deal is, as we've been reporting, hanging in the balance right now. israel's cabinet delaying its vote to approve that agreement until tomorrow, claiming hamas is creating a last minute crisis. we understand that there are new demands about prisoners. hamas is denying that charge. still, neither side has called off the deal. and that is at least some guarantee that it's going to go into effect perhaps as soon as sunday. joining me now is senator jeanne shaheen, the top democrat on the senate foreign relations committee, the first woman to hold this position. and she also serves on the armed services committee, where everybody was sort of in the line of fire with the hegseth hearings. and we can talk about that. so first, this deal, it's

fragile. we knew it was going to be. look who's involved. it was first proposed by our president and by the us president in may. if it had been agreed to, then thousands of gazans would still be alive. hirsh goldberg would still be alive if it had been approved when they were close to a deal. july 31st. hirsh goldberg would still be alive. and then the talks broke down completely on august 31st. >> well, the families of the hostages are waiting with bated breath. >> the palestinians in gaza are waiting to see how many more people are going to die before the cease fire deal gets done. >> so i'm hoping that benjamin netanyahu will get it together on his domestic politics and get this deal done, because it's in everyone's interest. >> it's in israel's interest, it's in the palestinians interest, and it's in the united states interest. and certainly those families who are so desperate to see their loved ones deserve to have the leaders

do everything we can to make sure that they get their loved ones home. >> and as with everything on this deal, israel is saying hamas has last minute complaints. we're hearing elsewhere that also the two right wing ministers in israel are also raising objections and wanting some written guarantee from netanyahu that they can go back to fighting, if anything, you know, goes wrong in the first phase, rather than continuing the cease fire while negotiations are still in place, which is written into the agreement. right. >> and as as was pointed out, this is phase one. >> there are a number of phases that will come after, but getting this implemented is going to be, i think, priority one of the top priorities of the incoming administration. i hope they're going to stay focused on this. i hope they're going to do everything they can to ensure that it gets implemented. there is, i think, the effort between

the biden administration and the incoming trump administration to work together with all the parties to move this along is something that americans should be proud of, and we need to stand behind everyone to finish this deal. >> now, phase three, which is supposed to be what happens next? who's going to govern gaza? what is going to happen after there is, in fact, even more of an israeli withdrawal? what is the security? who's going to rebuild it? that is something that i know for a fact, because i've been traveling with him that secretary blinken has been talking about at every stop, multiple stops, 13ries each mission. bill burns has gone on the hostage deal 19 times, but not just to the region, but all over the world where these negotiations have been held. that said, there's nothing in the agreement yet. this is presuming that there will be some reformed palestinian authority, which hasn't happened in decades. the aging leadership not permitting very

well-prepared, educated reformers, palestinian reformers from all over the world to come into the mix. there's no guarantee on who's going to rebuild. is it the uae? who's going to secure it? will it be an arab force? >> well, again, that's why this first phase is so critical. continuing to talk, making sure that our the other arab countries in the region are engaged in what happens next and making sure that there is some ownership on the part of the palestinians over what happens next in gaza, and that there is leadership there that can move this. >> it's very complicated, as you know. but that's why we need to stay as part of these discussions, to continue to support efforts to get them resolved. >> and why the first phase, getting the hostages home and getting humanitarian assistance into the gazans is so critical.

we need we need to build some trust so that people think that there is actually going to be an end to this crisis. >> let me ask you about hegseth, because the claims from the trump people and the conventional wisdom that we've all seen is that so far, no republican has said that they will vote against him. and if that's the case, he's going to be confirmed. and whatever happened at that hearing, there didn't seem to be a coordinated, well coordinated effort by the democrats to divide the issues up. was it because they were so limited by the chairman refusing to grant what is normally granted, which is a second round of questioning? were you surprised by that lack of courtesy to jack reed, the longtime chairman, west point man who is so widely admired by everyone? >> well, i was disappointed. i had in my second round, i wanted to ask mr. hegseth about his positions on nato, because what he's said in some of his

writings is that nato is a relic. it's outdated. >> and in fact, nato has been reinvigorated. we have 32 nations now part of nato. it's the strongest defense alliance that we've seen in modern history. and the fact that we can't count on him to understand that that is so important as a secretary of defense, when we compare that to the work of past secretaries of defense, their understanding of nato and the importance of our alliances and partnerships, that's what helps to make us strong. and the fact that he doesn't seem to recognize that is very troubling. >> assuming that he is going to get confirmed, since none of them. joni ernst is now saying she'll vote for him, and we don't know what the other two republican women may may end up doing. but at this stage he is going to likely get confirmed. is there someone that is coming up next, like tulsi gabbard or

rfk jr, that you think will have more difficulty? or is he going to get all of these very controversial some of them choices through? >> well, i think that remains to be seen. >> what we know is that tulsi gabbard has made some statements that are really adverse to our national security. we've heard from other some of our allies that if she were confirmed, they would be reluctant to share intelligence with her as the director of the national intelligence agency. so i think i hope that in the hearing, there will be an opportunity for us to really hear more about what she thinks and for people to understand what her past positions are. you know, she ran for president in new hampshire, so we got to hear from her quite a bit. and her endorsement of assad, who was the vicious dictator who just got overthrown in syria, her spouting of vladimir putin's talking points on issues like ukraine and other issues important to vladimir

putin are very troubling. >> senator shaheen, a lot to discuss. i look forward to more conversations. >> well, we will miss you and thank you for your leadership on this program. >> i'm going i'm going to be here for a while. so thank you. thank you. and next, my conversation with a mother and a father whose son, omer, was killed on october 7th. his body was taken by hamas. and about the fragile cease fire that's now hanging in the balance. you're watching andrea mitchell you're watching andrea mitchell reports only on msnbc. but st. jude has gotten us through it. st. jude is hope for every child diagnosed with cancer because the research is being shared all over the world. hi. i use febreze fade defy plug. and i use this. febreze has a microchip to control scent release so it smells first-day fresh for 50 days. 50 days!? and its refill reminder light means i'll never miss a day of freshness.

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must have a lot of mixed feelings going into this. what is for some people a celebration and for you as well to at some point be getting him back so that he can return home for a proper burial. >> orna that's right, andrea, you know, for 422 days, we believe omer was alive and we were fighting for his life and to reunite with him. and about six weeks ago, we were notified that he was killed on october 7th. and at that time, you know, we were questioning whether this had all been in vain. and we don't believe so. i think, you know, we were part of a group that was advocating for the hostages that hopefully will get to see the hostages back. and of course, omer has not been returned to us. so hamas has been holding on to them. but

even even so, you know, we've been waiting for this deal for over a year and it's the feelings are mixed regardless. i think, as you previously discussed, it's a very fragile deal. and even if omer was alive, i think this is this is a time of a lot of anxiety, a lot of anticipation, but also a lot of anxiety. it's mixed emotions. and for us, for sure. and we would need to hold tight to get him back and hold all the parties accountable throughout the phases of the deal, to see omer back and give him a proper burial. >> i know orna and ronen. you are so. you're so balanced and so empathetic for the others. but ronen, you must be feeling also, as some of your colleagues have told me, you know, other

families, that there's some, some stress and pain involved in that they're not they will not be returned in the initial group because this thing could fall apart at any minute. >> yeah. it's it took such a long time to try and reach this moment. you know, we're extremely thankful for the biden administration, for all the people in his administration that did so many efforts to try and bring us to this moment. we know that after the election, we asked the national security advisor team to work hand in hand with the incoming trump team, which president biden promised us, that that's the case. and he met president trump in the white house few hours after their meeting. we met and he told us that that's exactly

what's going to happen. and it did. they all worked hand in hand. we know that steve witkoff has been multiple times in qatar working together with brett mcgurk, and we are very appreciative for that. but all hands on deck. this is a very sensitive time. we have to hold everybody accountable, including the mediators, israel and of course hamas, and start to get the first phase going. and then shortly after it starts, we have to make sure that the following stages are being negotiated. we shouldn't wait. we shouldn't hesitate. once it starts. we need to bring everybody out because it's so fragile and we want to get our son back. he was fighting. he was a first responder that rushed to the border to try and defend israel from this major attack, where

1200 people were murdered, among them 45 americans. and we have to make sure that his death is not in vain and that we bring him to proper burial and respecting who takes bodies as negotiation chips. i mean, really, we are dealing with the worst terrorist group that that just acts so brutally, not only with our people, even with their own people. but this is a this is the deal. it's a deal with the devil. and we have to do it. and to bring the 98 people and their families some relief. >> and i know that the families have been invited by the inaugural committee to come to washington to be here on monday. were you planning to come? >> well, yes, we're expecting we think it's really important to remain visible to make sure that

the issue is, you know, is kept front and center. it's not a done deal by any means. andrea, you know, we've been saying that our life is stuck since october 7th and it's been a nightmare and it's a prolonged nightmare. and until the last hostage is home, the nightmare will not be over. and, you know, there there can't be any healing or closure. you know, it's like an open wound and it's we're not there yet. so. >> but the hostage families will be wearing a yellow scarf. you're welcome to look for us. happy to see you there. and yes, we want to be visible and we want to meet all the incoming members of the trump team and make sure that the effort will continue and will will bring the crisis to an end. >> well, on on, ronen, you know, we were together on capitol hill. we've we spent a lot of

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>> on capitol hill today, more confirmation hearings for nominees to the incoming administration, including treasury secretary pick scott bessent, a billionaire and a trump campaign fundraiser. also on the hill, proposed interior secretary and former republican primary rival, governor doug burgum of north dakota, and former congressman lee zeldin, mr. trump's choice for the epa. also today, as tiktok faces a potential u.s. ban in just three days, we're learning the company's ceo will attend the trump inauguration on monday. he'll be joined on the platform by elon musk. it's been reported

as a possible purchase purchaser of the tiktok. also by bezos, jeff bezos and mark zuckerberg. in his farewell address from the oval office last night, president biden warned against the rise of an oligarchy and a, quote, dangerous concentration of power. >> americans are being buried under an avalanche of misinformation and disinformation, enabling the abuse of power. the free press is crumbling, editors are disappearing. social media is giving up on fact checking. the truth is smothered by lies told for power and for profit. >> joining us now, nbc news senior white house correspondent garrett hake, washington post national editor phil rucker, former republican governor and presidential candidate john kasich, and former u.s. attorney harry litman. so welcome all. garrett. there was a real sort of overtone of the famous

eisenhower in 1961. farewell address in the warning against the, you know, tech complex. talk about this speech because it sounded not just a listing of his accomplishments. it was more of a warning to the american people that you now have to be the guardians. >> yeah, that's right. i think the biden white house certainly wants that to be the takeaway. the comparison to eisenhower and the military industrial complex, part of what the president observed here is certainly true in the sense that there does seem to be a political alignment now between the incoming trump administration, republicans who will control all of washington, and some of these tech leaders who control huge segments of the economy, be it elon musk, a car company, a rocket company, and twitter. jeff bezos running amazon, the world's largest online retailer. and these social media companies, who all seem to be 21 degrees or another, lining up behind at least elements of a trump administration agenda and the kind of thing that democrats have long argued could be

negative for the working people. i think there are some elements of the president's speech, the idea that the free press is crumbling, that i would suggest perhaps go a bit too far, but nevertheless, this is the message that he wanted to leave people with. and frankly, it's not dissimilar to what kamala harris as vice president was saying when she was up here on the hill to oversee the vote counting for donald trump, when she said that it's up to the american people now to protect democracy. so the two leading the president and his vice president on their way out the door, essentially saying to the american people, now, this is on you and john kasich. >> what do you make of the president's warning about the rise of an oligarchy in america? there are a lot of billionaires. >> one of the things that he talked about, andrea, was the gilded age. >> that was the period of time right before the 20th century where there was a collection of super wealthy people. and anytime there is a, a collection of a handful of people that have enormous power, one needs to be concerned. now, we don't know whether these people will

operate in their self-interest or not. >> but, andrea, it then brought on the social gospel movement in the early 20th century that set rules for things like, you know, the hours for children who work and rights for women. >> i mean, we have to always keep our eye on whenever there is a concentration of power. >> and just because you're wealthy doesn't mean you're out of touch. but if you are super wealthy, there's a tendency, you know, not to go to the grocery store to pick up your ice cream or your bread, or to figure out what things cost. so anytime there's a concentration of any power, it's something we have to keep our eye on. >> and it's sort of a reflection, not so much of just a warning of eisenhower's talk about the tech industrial complex, but also a warning back, harken back to what happened in that gilded age. >> and that was when you had a desperate wealth between the highest and the poorest. and so we see some of that today. >> let's hope we don't head in that direction, but let's hope there's an antidote. if we begin to see that.

>> and phil rucker, what about the fact that the tiktok ceo is going to be just a short distance from donald trump, as mr. trump takes the oath of office at their invitation to be there along with elon musk, mark zuckerberg, jeff bezos, which this administration has warned that tiktok is a national security threat. that's why, you know, the law was passed with a lot of bipartisan support, which is now up before the supreme court, and we don't know what is going to happen. >> so, yeah, andrea, there's a lot that's hanging in the balance in these final days of the biden administration for tiktok. but clearly, the company is trying to get close with the incoming president trump and his administration perhaps hoping for some sort of savior there. but nonetheless, just another example of a of a real titan of tech and of social media, you know, trying to demonstrate just by their physical presence at the inauguration and their seating position, demonstrate

that support for trump and harry litman, the attorney general, pam bondi, in that hearing, very carefully worded answers. >> she wouldn't back down on her background, as, you know, an election denier. she just said, president biden is the is the president right now. but she wouldn't address all of the concerns, the legitimate concerns about her being one of the election deniers on january 6th and legitimate is really the right word here. >> by the way, one of the things she said, well, there was a peaceful transition of power on january 6th. >> no, she meant january 20th. that was one of her bromides. >> but the reason this matters greatly, she was overall professional. but look, it's not just has she told the truth about a stray matter, she's going to be attorney general. there are 200 people still being investigated for crimes on january 6th. does she genuinely believe, as her history would suggest, that, that the election

was stolen and in fact, donald trump won? that will hugely affect how you prosecute and go after those people. so it's a concern that goes directly to her credentials. and look, senate ask you a question in confirmation hearings. you should say yes or no, as other controversial nominees have done. she bobbed and weaved, knowing she's going to be confirmed. but it's inappropriate, i think, even disqualifying. >> and garrett, just very quickly, the very surprising decision by the speaker to remove it, which is his power to remove the highly respected republican intelligence chairman, congressman turner. >> yeah, this is the mystery of the moment right now. turner saying today that it was his choice to do it. he wanted a fresh start at the top of the intelligence committee. turner made a bit more of an old school style republican, more of a supporter of nato, perhaps less of a maga america first type republican. turner told another network he thought this was something that had come from mar-a-lago, something that mike johnson has denied. but turner

didn't show up at votes today. he has not been seen here on capitol hill. it's not clear what happens to him now, not just not returning as the chair, but not returning as a member of the house select committee on intelligence. stinging rebuke of some kind. we don't know exactly what from speaker johnson at at a time when someone with his vast experience and intelligence is needed more than ever, especially if tulsi gabbard is going to be confirmed. >> garrett hake, phil rucker, john kasich, harry litman, thank you so much to all of you. and tonight, president biden sitting down with lawrence o'donnell in the president's final exclusive oval office interview. they'll talk about his achievements, his legacy, what's ahead for the country. so watch the last word tonight at 10 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. and up next, a live report from la, from los angeles county, where families are returning to decimated communities as firefighters try to make some gains in containing multiple fires. wildfires. while the santa ana winds have

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