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>> it is good to be back with you on this second hour of chris jansing reports at this hour. has the clock struck midnight for tiktok? now that the supreme court has cleared the way to cut off the app for millions, we now have to wait. will trump. what will he decide to and whether he'll decide to enforce the law and beyond the app made for endless scrolling. what do people who have built communities and business empires on that platform do next? then cold snap decision. it's official. frigid temperatures have pushed trump's inauguration indoors. so what exactly will that look like? and bated breath waiting for the israeli government to finalize the

ceasefire deal. so once that happens, how soon could the first hostages start coming home? our nbc news reporters are following all of the latest developments, but we begin with msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin on this massive ruling from the supreme court. walk us through the decision today, lisa. >> chris, the decision today from the supreme court was per curiam, which means unanimous from the supreme court. and essentially it breaks down into sort of two main features. the first thing is that the court is saying that the first amendment concerns that tiktok raised are not as serious as the type of first amendment concerns that are raised when someone tries to regulate a particular type of content, or even a particular group of speakers. rather, this was a content neutral law. and in light of that, content neutrality, they said that the national security concerns that animated congress is passing this law and are embedded in its text. those are serious enough for the law to be

constitutional. in particular, the court being very concerned about tiktok's harvesting data from its users, all sorts of data about not only their viewing habits, but their address, their phone number, all sorts of things that, given tiktok's proximity to the chinese government and alleged control by the chinese government. congress had a right to make this law and enforce it. now, of course, chris, the big question is, of course, what comes next? the biden administration saying today, essentially, they're going to leave this for the next guy, and now it's up to donald trump to decide, will he enforce this law or not? >> lisa, ruben, thank you. so what does this actually look like for people who have tiktok? i want to bring in savannah sellers. so savannah, anybody who went on tiktok today saw that everybody from influencers to everyday users were posting goodbye videos. the question is, will it really go dark on sunday? >> yeah, chris, there is crying, there is screaming, you name it. it's happening on the app right now. that is the question that

we are actively trying to answer. but the reason that i cannot definitively excuse me definitively give you an answer. sorry, i've been talking too much today is because tiktok does not know what's going to happen yet. let me explain why this law, what it would do if implemented, if enforced, is it would it would cause large fines for the service providers of tiktok. what does that mean? it means apple. it means google. it means oracle. all these big tech companies that are doing something to make tiktok work, whether that means offering it in an app store or whether that means hosting its data, that essentially is what makes the whole app work. those companies would be fined up to $850 billion. i mean, just an absolutely enormous fee. but what the biden administration has said is that even though the supreme court upholds the ban, i mean, the fact that that's the banner on the bottom of the screen right now, but we're not sure if tiktok is going to go away is pretty stunning because of that biden administration decision to not enforce it on the last day of his presidency. if they're not actually going to collect on those fines, then the big question here, really, that we are trying to answer is what

are those companies that could be impacted? apple, google, oracle, as i mentioned, what are they going to do? do they continue operating, working with tiktok as is or do they not? well, we have heard so far from the ceo of tiktok today not exactly confirming what the app will look like, but it was in a video that was pretty, if filled with effusive praise. i would say for soon to be president trump, they are clearly relying on him to do something here that has a more permanent solution for those service providers. listen to some of that video. >> to all american users, thank you for making our tiktok community such a rich and vibrant space, for surprising and delighting us every day. rest assured, we will do everything in our power to ensure our platform thrives. as your online home for limitless creativity and discovery, as well as the source of inspiration and joy for years to come. >> so right there, you heard it. that is what is going on at tiktok right now. they are

trying to figure out how they continue operating. they have told me my sources going dark would be an absolute last resort. i would be willing to bet that will not happen at this point, given that there is at least some protection. it seems, from enforcement actually happening in the next couple of days. but i can tell you there are round the clock meetings, conference room lockdowns going on at tiktok right now to figure out what this means. chris. >> savannah sellers, thank you. now to the change in plans for monday's presidential inaugural. nbc's garrett haake is following this for us. okay, garrett, i've given you a whole hour to figure out what exactly is going to happen. we know the ceremony is going to be moved indoors. it's just going to be two daggone cold. but what else? >> well, krista, what else is really very much still an open question as the trump inauguration team and the committee that runs this from the capital side tries to figure out what to do with a plan that involved potentially as many as tens of thousands of people on the inaugural platform and on the national mall, trying to cram into a space in the capitol rotunda that could fit perhaps just a few hundred.

>> but this announcement from donald trump about an hour and a half ago now, i suppose, really sent all of washington scrambling in which he came to the determination that it is just going to be too cold and too dangerous to have a traditional inauguration out of the mall. >> that's what he said on truth social, saying he's worried about law enforcement, first responders, canines, even the horses, not to mention the thousands of his supporters who've been coming to town for this inauguration. being out in the cold for hours upon hours. remember, with the way that the security screenings work, you don't just sort of walk out to the mall and watch this. it is a multi-hour commitment to be out there on the mall. i've covered plenty of trump rallies in temperatures just this cold where folks were willing to wait those hours and hours. but the trump team has made the decision not to go that route. now, how they pull off the inauguration, which has been done before, by the way, in the capitol, ronald reagan did it in 1985, is one part of this. the other part is things like the parade. do they just move this down to capital one arena and have kind of a show inside the arena, a mini rally? those are questions that

are being answered, i hope, in real time right now, because there's just not that much time left to get the planning sorted, the security sorted before the events get underway monday morning, the number of meetings on steroids, no doubt about that. >> garrett hake, you have no idea. thank you so much. now to israel, where we are waiting on a vote by the full cabinet on the gaza ceasefire and hostage deal. nbc's raf sanchez is reporting from tel aviv. so what do we know exactly about the 33 hostages who would be released in the first phase of the deal? >> so, chris israel is holding its breath to see exactly who comes out of gaza and in what condition they are. and that is because of cases like that of kfir bibas. you might remember, this is a little baby boy. he was nine months old when he was kidnaped on october 7th. he turned one in hamas captivity just a couple of months after the attack. and tomorrow he turns two years old, having

spent the majority of his life as a hostage, he was kidnaped along with his older brother, ariel, who you're seeing there, his mother shiri and his father yarden, and the reason people are holding their breath. chris is his name. the names of that family are on that list, but we do not know whether they are dead or alive. hamas has said that those two little boys and their mother were killed in an israeli airstrike early on in the war. israel has never confirmed that, but they have indicated they have serious concerns about the safety of that family. and so we will not know until this deal gets underway as scheduled on sunday, exactly the fate of the bibas family. we are also waiting to see when exactly these two americans, who are scheduled to come out during the first phase of the deal, might emerge. that's keith siegel. he's 64 years old, and ziggy dekel, he is 36. they both qualify for the humanitarian phase of the deal.

so we expect that they will come out during this first 42 day ceasefire. but it's likely to be towards the second half of the ceasefire because they are men and the priority is getting those women out of hamas captivity. edan alexander, that israeli american soldier, because he is a member of the israeli military, is not expected to come out until the second phase of the deal, and that is assuming that this ceasefire holds and that negotiations are successful and that we do move from phase one to phase two, that is a big if, given that prime minister netanyahu has indicated that he is determined to continue this war at some point. chris. >> raf sanchez, thank you. in 90s, joe biden and donald trump seem to be distancing themselves from the tiktok ban that the supreme court just upheld. so supreme court just upheld. so what does washington do now? -what've you got there, larry? -time machine. you gonna go back and see how the pyramids were built or something? nope. ellen and i want to go on vacation,

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administration's effort to do just that. let's bring in nbc news white house correspondent vaughn hillyard, who has been covering the trump transition. msnbc analyst and former republican congressman david jolly is here, along with julie roginsky, a democratic strategist and author of the salty politics newsletter on substack. welcome all. so on. after the court's decision was announced, donald trump said everyone must respect the ruling, but give us a sense of how his position has evolved on this and what now. >> right. and he suggested that he needs time to review the supreme court's decision. of course, he has suggested that he wants to do whatever he can to try to save the app. and he said that just today in a phone call with president xi of china that he, the two men discussed tiktok. and this is a moment where let's be very clear, back in august of 2020, during his first administration, he signed an executive order. donald trump, then president trump, signed an executive order to effectively seek the ban of tiktok in the united states, citing national security

concerns and the collection of personal data of more than 150 million americans that use the app. and you fast forward, donald trump's tune has changed really over the last months, particularly during the course of his campaign. he has credited tiktok for helping him win the presidential election and win a greater share of particularly younger americans. he has one staffer who's nicknamed tiktok jack, who made popular tiktok videos for his campaign, and he has said that he has a soft spot for the app, and he wants to do whatever he can to not only ensure national security is preserved on the app, but also make sure that it is able to continue to exist in the united states. of course, this is going to fall on the shoulders of his incoming administration. sunday is the deadline. effectively, when tiktok had the opportunity its parent company in china to divest and sell or ultimately go dark here in the united states. >> so, david, what do you make of trump's shifting positions from talking about banning the app to inviting the company's

ceo while he was going to sit on the dais? but i don't know where he'll be exactly now that they're moving indoors, but inviting the ceo to come to his inauguration. >> i think in terms of donald trump, it's hard not to look at this as the first example of the newly inaugurated donald trump putting his own personal interests above the interests of our own national security. and what i mean by that, i think a lot of politicians are engaging in that right now. they're they're trying to play the blame game, or how do we solve this to make sure that millions of americans don't lose tiktok, as opposed to leading the nation through the conversation as to why tiktok is banned. the national securit implications of tiktok being manipulated by the chinese government, and having access to 200 million americans personal information. there is a reason that the congress voted, i believe, initially 360 to 58 to ban tiktok and tiktok has not cooperated and divesting themselves of it. so it should

go dark under the law. and i think what is most kind of captivating about today's news is how all the politicians seem surprised and anxious about, oh no, this is going to happen. when this was written into law for national security reasons, i think ultimately donald trump will try to use his executive authority under the law to postpone this by 90 days, but it will trigger a provision that's not really accurate, that somehow there are negotiations going on for the sale of it, tiktok has said. bytedance has said it's not for sale, but the reason he might be able to do this, chris, is if he says, i'm going to postpone this under the law with 90 days, who will actually challenge that? tiktok won't, and it would be up to his own department of justice or solicitor general to petition the supreme court to suggest that donald trump made the wrong decision. and clearly that won't happen in a donald trump pam bondi environment. i think we see donald trump reach for a political solution, even though the law probably doesn't allow it, and it might foretell what we're looking at for the next

four years. >> julie, is the biden administration smart to say, look, we're just about out of the oval office. this is their thing to figure out on this and on so many other things. >> you break it, you own it. >> donald trump wanted this ban. he got it. congratulations, mr. president elect. >> it's your problem. now, all these 20 year olds who want to blame somebody when their tiktok goes dark, they can blame donald trump because the reality is joe biden is out of here. >> and that's what happens when you have a congress that is controlled by republicans, a supreme court that is basically controlled by republicans, and now a presidency on the 20th that will be controlled by republicans. >> it is donald trump's problem. it is congress's problems to fix. >> and they can take ownership of the fact that millions, if not hundreds of millions of people will be upset with them. >> when this goes into effect, is it certain that he and republicans get the blame? because punchbowl news writes this? democrats thought they'd be able to back the chinese government into a corner with legislation forcing the sale of tiktok, dodging national security concerns, as well as any backlash from their political base. their gambit may

have backfired. is it also a challenge, potentially, for democrats? >> well, democrats don't know how to communicate, so you never underestimate the ability of democrats to blow what i just said up, which is to put the blame squarely on the people who will be enforcing this ban. >> but if things were equal, and if democrats knew how to communicate that, it would do what i just said, which is effectively, say, tiktok will be going dark under this administration, under this congress, supported by unanimously by a republican controlled supreme court. >> i don't know whose problem that is, but it's certainly not the democrats problem. >> david, if this happens and the ban actually gets enforced, how does this need to get communicated to the country? because if you talk to a lot of young people, one of the things that they'll say to you is i just assume all my information is out there already anyway. they don't see the fact that their information is out there as some sort of national security threat. has it been clearly explained to people what's going on here? >> it hasn't. >> and this is where politicians either lead or they follow. and

i appreciate the conversation around the blame game, but this was really a strong bipartisan 360 to 58 vote in the united states congress that said, this is a national security problem. and the reason why, yes, it's presumed that google and apple and all these other companies have our own information, but those are domestic companies. we are talking about china, who is not an ally. they are an adversary having information about american citizens and our political leaders, democrat and republicans, decided that this is a threat. joe biden signed this into law. this is a problem for the united states and for its users. and so politicians can either lead a national conversation as to the why, or they can they can just cop to saying, i don't want to take the political responsibility for this and try to make it all go away. ultimately, we're endangering our own citizens if we ignore what the supreme court rightly said today, which is there are legitimate national security risk. now, the answer is for bytedance to divest itself of its ownership and

perhaps donald trump, through the art of the deal, can put together some type of billionaire class purchasing group off of wall street or silicon valley to buy it and solve this. maybe. so maybe that's how he becomes a hero to the younger voters. but right now, to just point fingers and say, no younger voters, i hear you, i'm going to solve this is ignoring the actual substantive conversation that got us into this problem in the first place. >> what are the real political considerations for donald trump? we just heard from savannah sellers saying, if you go on tiktok today, there are a lot of people crying and screaming. you obviously have a lot of businesses who really are fueled by what is shown on tiktok. so what does this mean for donald trump? however he decides to handle this, right? >> there is some backtracking, not just among republicans, of course. speaker mike johnson was also one of those members that voted overwhelmingly for this legislative package that included aid to ukraine, for example. but there's also democratic members that are backtracking here, and there's a recognition that more than about

half or more than half of americans use this popular app. and so for donald trump, you know, this is where his department of justice could suggest that they would not go after and try to prosecute google or apple for making this available. yet the statute of limitations extends to five years, and a reversal of a decision could put them in legal crosshairs. still, these companies and to david's point here, bytedance has not suggested that they intend to sell the tiktok to any american buyer here. and so even if donald trump were to try to use that 90 day authorization extension from this going into effect at this point in time, that significant progress towards finding a buyer, there's nobody out there that is currently raising their hand. and so i think this is really going to come down to a major discussion on sunday and monday as to donald trump, how he can use the executive office of the president to try to save what is

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included. >> the fate of former special counsel jack smith's report on president elect trump's classified documents case is being decided right now inside a florida courtroom. the argument centered on whether attorney general merrick garland should be allowed to share volume two of smith's report with congressional leadership. trump's lawyers argue the report should never be seen outside of the justice department. democrats on the house judiciary committee are calling on garland to release it to congress, arguing that americans have, quote, a right to know. joining me now, nbc's george solace from outside the courthouse in fort pierce, florida, and criminal defense attorney, msnbc legal analyst danny cevallos. so, george, walk us through what we know is happening inside that courtroom. >> hey, chris. good to be with you. so the arguments just starting a few moments ago, you have the president elect's attorneys in there, as well as the attorneys for the co-defendants here, walt nalta and carlos de oliveira in there arguing with judge aileen cannon

to not release volume two of the report, citing some of those things that you mentioned there at the top, saying that they don't believe there is any reason to release this. they are concerned, despite that messaging from u.s. attorney merrick garland, that this would only go to the ranking members of the senate and house judiciary committees. that bottom line here is they could easily spread this out to the general public, and it could unfairly prejudice the case against carlos de oliveira and what not. i want to point you to some briefings that both sides have filed here, including that letter that was written by that house leadership there with respect to releasing this volume, to the lawyers for norton de oliveira writing, the government can easily separate it, separate itself, excuse me from the powers of this court, powers that it does not want to acknowledge exist by dismissing its appeal of this court order. in other words, having the doj basically drop the case against these guys so that this report could be released. and then you mentioned that letter there. jamie raskin and other democrats writing to merrick garland,

saying it is incumbent upon you to take all necessary steps to ensure the report is released before the end of your tenure, including, if necessary, by simply dismissing the remaining criminal charges against mr. trump's coconspirators. again, all of this now coming to a head here essentially at the 11th hour. no word that we have seen that the doj has any plans of dropping any of the charges. but again, this case now here before judge aileen cannon, these arguments now underway, only time will tell if she will have any ruling today or if this gets pushed. well after the inauguration. chris. >> jorge solis, thank you. if anything else happens inside, please come back to us and let us know. danny, you heard him lay out basically the arguments on both sides, on the arguments and on the law. is it a clear decision? >> no, because we're dealing with things that have never been dealt with before. >> and trump has a two stage argument. he has to make first. he has to be allowed to even intervene in the case to begin with. he's not in this criminal case right now, so he has to file a motion to come in as an intervenor. >> most people want out of a

criminal case. it's rare that somebody tries to get into one, and the rules are pretty explicit that you generally don't get to come into a criminal case unless you have some serious federal right or constitutional right that you need to preserve. >> trump's argument is that, of course, i do the immunity decision. all of the things that go into being a president elect involve tons of things that are constitutional and federal. but the government argues, number one, that's not enough. you can preserve those rights without coming into this case as an intervenor in a criminal case. and second, your argument, even if you are allowed in that argument, doesn't hold water. and i think one of the most compelling arguments that the government makes is that the idea that an about to be president or a president can't be investigated or written about is silly, because look at the mueller report. look at the investigation of joe biden for classified documents. we investigate sitting presidents. of course, the trump team's argument is that in each of those situations, those presidents were not charged. this is a case where the president was actually charged,

and it would be damaging to release that information. >> so given everything we know and given judge cannon's record, when cases involve donald trump, is it? what do you think might happen here? >> i like to think about it in terms of betting odds. and i look at the trump team, they have to win two separate arguments, even if they win. on being allowed to even come into the case as interveners then they have to win their second argument. so i'm taking just a simple approach and saying anytime someone has two burdens in a row that they need to meet, the odds are going to be difficult. and i think the government does make a good argument that trump can preserve his rights or try to preserve his rights in other ways. he doesn't have to have to come into this particular criminal case, one in which he was let out, coming back in not as a defendant, but just an interested party. >> danny cevallos, always good to see you. thanks so much. and today, president biden cemented his legacy as partner in chief. he just commuted sentences for more than 2000 people convicted of nonviolent drug offenses,

meaning he's now issued more commutations and pardons than any president in u.s. history. nbc white house correspondent aaron gilchrist is following this for us. so let's talk about the priority that that clearly president biden has made of pardons and commutations. >> yeah. in this instance, chris, the president says that this is really about fairness and equity. you saw this announcement today that just under 2500 people are receiving permutations of their sentences. these are all people who were convicted of nonviolent drug offenses. and the president says they've been serving disproportionately long sentences compared to the sentences that they would have received today had they been prosecuted for these sorts of crimes. and he said that this is largely because of discredited distinctions between crack and powder cocaine. obviously, we know this country went through a major epidemic, a cocaine epidemic, crack epidemic years ago, and so many of these sentences would have been handed

out at that time. and the president says that the action he's taking today is really about righting wrongs and correcting sentences, sentencing disparities for some of these people, based on the laws that have been put in place in the last decade or so at different points in time, to try to right these wrongs for these people so that they can rejoin society. we also know from the statement the president put out this morning, that he does intend to look at potentially additional commutations before he leaves office at noon on monday, and also would be looking at potentially more pardons, the idea of preemptive pardons for some people who over the years have been targeted by the incoming president, donald trump, is something that that has been talked about quite a bit over the last month or so, in particular between president biden and senior members of his staff. we heard the president himself say that that he is looking at that possibility, that no decision had been made, at least in the last couple of days here, chris. but we know that going into the weekend, there could be additional

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>> in her confirmation hearing to head the department of homeland security, kristi noem said that donald trump's promise to secure the border through deportation remains the top goal. >> president trump has been very clear that his priority is going to be deporting criminals, those who have broken our laws and perpetuated violence in our communities. his next priority is going to be those with final removal orders, and focus on those individuals who who have long overstayed, and that there is a consequence for ignoring our federal laws. >> let's bring in john sandweg, the former acting director of ice, u.s. immigration and customs enforcement. it's good to see you, john. i wonder what you make of the incoming trump administration's border strategy of focusing first on this deportation of violent criminals. and when he talks about even broader deportation, how would that work? >> yeah. >> chris, look, i don't think anyone really objects to this idea that we should use ice as a public safety agency. first and foremost, right? identify

individuals who are in our country unlawfully who are committing violent and serious crimes. i think the problem, though, is the stated justification for this mass deportation, you know, the tactics that they're talking about and that second population, she referenced people with a final order or people who long overstayed their visa or long, you know, been in this country a long time. those populations have really no nexus at all to public safety. and in fact, oftentimes quite the opposite. right. these are individuals who have gone through the immigration court system but were not detained. and that means that they're ice cut them loose because they don't pose a public safety threat, or an immigration judge released them. and so i guess there's a disconnect here between the rhetoric of saying, we have to do this to protect america, and then the populations and the tactics that we keep hearing about that they're going to employ. >> governor noem said she would reinstate the remain in mexico policy and would end the use of the cpb. one app. that's that legal pathway that was created by the biden administration for migrants to enter the country. what effect do you think those

kinds of changes would have? and logistically, how hard is it to change policies? >> well, i think these are those types of policies are going to actually there's some of these policies that are very hard to change logistically that require resources and are going to take years to actually implement. but these policies at the border, i expect on day one they're going to cancel the app. they're going to, you know, try to implement remain in mexico, things of that nature. look, i think the question will be what is the unintended consequence of all of this? right? one one benefit we've obtained over the last few years to the border is most migrants have surrendered. we've captured their fingerprints, captured their biometrics. we're able to run background checks. what we're going to see, i think, is we cut off all those kind of access points that the biden administration created is we're going to see people sneaking back into the country where we don't know who's successfully entered. and the challenge is it's going to be a really quick shift for the border patrol, where we go from managing these large populations who overwhelmed our asylum system, to be sure. but now to going back to interdicting people as they sneak through the desert and try to evade capture and get into the country. >> and so there are going to be

some costs to this, and it'll be very interesting to see what kind of strain that puts on the border patrol as migrants and the smugglers shift tactics as a result of these changes. >> so, john, there's also the question of who's going to be in charge. nbc news reports that kristi noem would be actually answering to the border czar, tom homan, and deputy chief of staff for policy, stephen miller on immigration. so inside the white house, what might that mean for getting things done? >> look, i got to tell you, this is she's in an unenviable position, right? she or she is. she's statutorily responsible for dhs, the most important and the most visible aspect of that job is border security and immigration enforcement. and it turns out she's probably not going to be in charge of that. right? so there's always and often there's tension that forms between dhs and the white house. and there's certainly saw that during the first trump administration as they cycled through a number of acting secretaries. but there's never been a border czar before, someone whose stated job is basically to, you know, who has oversight over the secretary of

dhs. >> and, look, i think operationally, this could create a lot of confusion. >> who do you take directives from? is it the secretary? is it the border czar? certainly. i know came up today in the hearing. there were questions about oversight. is tom homan accountable? does he you know, typically white house advisers don't testify before congress. the secretary will. >> but ultimately, i think just from governor noem's perspective, having been a governor and now here you are, the biggest, most visible, politically important issue of your of your cabinet position you're not really in charge of. >> and that's a very difficult place to be. >> john sandweg, good to see you. thanks so much for coming on the program. and coming up, where do people who have lost their homes in the california fires go? the big price hikes in housing and what the state is doing to try to stop the gouging doing to try to stop the gouging next on chris jansing reports. (vo) oof, stuck paying for that old phone? don't be. ♪

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before. >> my friend calls me on facetime and he says, your home is on the news. the fire has reached down to glen and montana and pasadena paid off his home the day before the fire in other areas cleared for return. >> some residents are nowhere to be found. county officials say 31 people are still missing. among them, this altadena man, kevin devine. authorities say they found no trace of him at his burned home. his car is still parked on the street, packed with boxes. nbc's steve patterson is reporting from nearby pasadena. steve, you're at a massive firefighter center. what's the scene like there? >> when you walk out, we are really pasadena's rose bowl. >> the historic football arena has been transformed into, like a makeshift city. >> there are departments from across the country. 3300, at least firefighters, sort of all bonding together, battling the blazes, going in and out of these fire zones. obviously a very tough go as crews are starting to do more to help with

the lifting of these mentioned, now able to go back inside. a lot of that is because the winds have significantly down, down. >> the containment numbers are increasing by dramatic levels. >> now, obviously allowing some of those lifting of some of those zones. >> but firefighters really doing all they can to manage the outside of those fire zones. >> the reason why we're here and i'm wearing all the fire gear, we were embedded with a crew sort of working part of the scene, part of the edges of the fire zone where dry brush had gathered. >> they started to clear some of that brush away, which would help reduce fuel. >> it's called fuel reduction. >> helps the possibility that an ember could catch another part of the fire. >> and that is a concern. not now, thankfully, because the winds have died, but maybe shortly next week when we expect more red flag winds. monday tuesday. those winds are absolutely dangerous to the firefighting operation. thankfully. again, we're sort of in a lull period. meanwhile, the investigation continues both here and at the palisades fire.

obviously, residents are starting to come back, but it could take weeks for in the hardest hit. >> really, the core of these zones as crews continue to sort of sweep through and deal with hotspots, the epa also on the ground, trying to clear out as many hazardous materials as they possibly can. >> but we've been speaking with firefighters. i think they're in much higher spirits than they have been. you know, obviously in the past few weeks, they have been going through incredibly long stretches of shifts, very little downtime period. so this again, the winds dying down is such a welcome relief to the firefighters, the men and women who have been battling for literally 24 hours a day, in some cases trying to do as much as they can to pare this down so residents have the opportunity to see what's left of their community. >> but as you've been reporting, in many cases there's not much left, which is a sad sight. >> it sort of brings in the fact that firefighters can do more, but also the sadness of residents being able to return home to see what's left of their homes. >> unbelievably heartbreaking. steve patterson, thank you. as southern california begins its long road to recovery, governor,

governor gavin newsom just extended protections against price gouging on rental housing. the l.a. times reports that online listings have shot up in the wake of the fires, some properties prices spiking as much as 50%. joining me now is one of the l.a. times reporters behind this story. seema mehta. seema, great reporting, by the way. and you give one example of a two bedroom condo that went from $5,000 a month to 8000 after the fires. walk us through some other examples and what you're hearing from homeowners. >> we saw so many examples of this. and also i mean, people are really it's not just, you know, tenants, advocates. it's just everyday angelenos are just so angry about this that they have taken to scouring listings to show, you know, listings that were, you know, a couple of weeks ago, you know, maybe it was for 10,000. now they're for 20,000. i mean, it's clear examples. the question is, you know, there are certain things that are clearly illegal. and, you know, the state and local authorities have pledged to prosecute, but there are also loopholes and ways to go around

this. for example, if you know, on the side a potential, you know, tenant offers you an extra x thousand dollars or, you know, sometimes people are being asked, you know, for six months down payment or a year down payment. so it's really i mean, local and state officials have pledged to go after this because it's rampant. but there are also a lot of gray areas where, you know, some people are unfortunately, you know, taking advantage of the situation. >> yeah, of course it is one thing to extend protections on paper, but if this is so widespread and we do know that there are so many people out there looking for housing, do we know how well it's being enforced right now and is the enforcement working? >> it's still early days. and also, i mean, one of the realtors i talked to said that, you know, when he was speaking with some of his clients who are renting, they didn't realize that the rules that are in place and that a number of people did the right thing and then, you know, followed the rules, and you can only raise the rent by 10%. but so some people are uneducated and apparently are doing the right thing. but there is also this pool of people who is, you know, trying to take

advantage of the situation. and i think, you know, it's still early days. i think there will be worth watching to see how effective, you know, the state ag's office is or the county da's offices, in terms of enforcing these rules that we have about price gouging, particularly in tragedy like this. >> you're reporting also touches on some community driven efforts. there are organizations that help renters, right. and they have been working to stomp out gouging. what are they doing? what are they trying to accomplish here? >> ostracization on social media, which has been working, and they're really trying to publicize, you know, the realtors who are taking these clients on, the people who own these houses that are clearly charging far more than they were listing their places for a couple weeks ago, a month ago. so, yeah, it's not just the organizations or the nonprofits. >> i mean, you literally have everyday angelenos who are just so angry about this. >> one of the people i talked to, she works at a at a firm, but at a political firm. but she and her friends just started looking up listings because they were just so mad. so yeah, it's really it's sort of taken on a life of its own. it's kind of an interesting way for people who are frustrated about. well, i mean, just who are heartbroken about the situation, to put their energy into something, to

try to make it a little bit better for people who have lost everything. >> we have less than a minute. but i mean, obviously if people decide they want to stay there in southern california, the rebuilding is going to take a long time. is anybody even giving estimates for how long it might take? if people decide they want to rebuild? >> i mean, it's you know, i've asked that actually, i'm in dc right now for the inauguration, and i've met with a number of elected officials from california this week, and i've asked that and nobody knows. i mean, honestly, you know, in terms of, you know, there's so much debris that needs to be removed. there's toxic stuff in the air and in the ground that needs to be dealt with. and then, you know, there are so many houses that need to be rebuilt. and also the question is, what are the building codes? you know, the governor has taken some steps to ease some of the environmental rules that could hamper the speed of rebuilding. but i mean, i don't think anybody thinks it's going to happen anytime soon. i mean, it's going to be a very long, drawn out process. >> again, really great reporting, seema. thanks for coming on the show. appreciate it. that is going to do it for us this hour. a quick programing

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