archivists refused to do their jobs and did not do so. so president biden decided, i'm going to as the commander in chief, as the highest legal authority in this administration will say so, so that the states can start enforcing this law. and so, by his statement today, he essentially published and gave notice to states that this is the law of the land. you need to look through all your laws to make sure you have nothing that undermines it. and it now gives a right of action to people across the united states who have been discriminated against on the basis of their gender, a right to sue. and that might that might include an equal pay lawsuit. it might include discrimination on a college campus about sports. it might include the parents who took a daughter, ten year old daughter across state lines and were denied their right to travel because of an abortion law. >> listen, i think people would be surprised to know that it wasn't a constitutional mandate

to make sure that we are equal to men. but thank you so much for bringing this to our attention today, senator kirsten gillibrand, thank you for being here. that is going to do it for me today. deadline. white house starts right now. >> hi, everyone. >> happy friday. >> it's 4:00 in new york. >> scrutiny on capitol hill today for the person picked for the job. that was a controversial revolving door in trump 1.0 and is likely to remain a flashpoint in trump 2.0. a maga world favorite who was said to be in the running to be donald trump's pick for vice president. that was until she herself revealed and narrated a detailed account of that time she shot and killed her own dog in a book that also happened to be rife with baffling inaccuracies. south dakota governor kristi noem was on capitol hill today before the senate homeland security committee for her confirmation hearing. eight years ago, the

person in noem's chair was retired marine general john kelly, and he broke with donald trump that day on a number of issues, from targeting muslim americans to russian interference in the 2016 election and even the border wall. >> listen. >> will you commit to ensuring that religion does not become a basis for u.s. counterterrorism or law enforcement policy, particularly as it relates to the targeting of individuals with ancestry from muslim majority countries? i don't think it's ever appropriate to focus on something like religion as the only factor. so. yes, sir. >> general kelly, do you accept the conclusions of the intelligence community regarding russian interference in our election? >> with high confidence, a physical barrier in and of itself, certainly as a military person, and understands defense and defenses, physical barrier in and of itself will not do the job. >> one democratic senator calling that hearing on that day

a, quote, love fest. >> friend of the show. >> and then senator claire mccaskill said this quote, i believe him when he says he will speak truth to power. >> general kelly was confirmed 88 to 11. which brings us to today and a confirmation hearing for a maga firebrand who could not even make it clear if she was going to be in charge of the border and mass deportations. >> those two issues, of course. >> day one priorities for team trump that should fall under dhs purview. here's stephen miller on that topic back in november. >> it's going to be at light speed. >> sean, the moment that president trump puts his hand on that bible and takes the oath of office, as he has said, the occupation ends, liberation day begins. he will immediately sign executive orders, sealing the border shut, beginning the largest deportation operation in american history. >> so this is a thing that, if it's happening, starts monday at noon. >> and as we sit here today, nobody knows if it's going to be

that guy. stephen miller, alongside border czar tom homan doing that thing, leading the charge. or if it will be kristi noem, who sat for her confirmation hearing today. and question arises, is the trump administration trying to avoid congressional oversight completely for whatever it is they have planned? here's senator andy kim on that. >> i guess i just want to ask you just point blank, like, who's going to be in charge of the border? >> well, the president will be in charge of the border. it's a national security issue, and the president is in charge of this country and has made a promise to the american people, and we will fulfill his agenda. >> but i guess i got confused when trump made the announcement about tom homan. he said, quote, i'm pleased to announce that tom homan and said that he's in charge of our nation's borders. so i guess, again, i'd just like to go back to you. how are you going to work with mr. homan? what is the division there? i'm trying to get a better sense of who's in charge. >> yeah. tom. tom homan is an

incredible human being who has over 30 years of experience, incredible experience at the border. i'm just trying to think through insight and wisdom, decision making process when it comes to your work. >> for instance, will he be giving orders directly to cbp, ice, uscis that tom homan has a direct line to the president? >> he is an advisor to the president, the border czar. i obviously will be, if nominated and confirmed and put into the position of being the department of homeland security secretary and responsible for the authorities that we have and the actions that we take. >> so i just raise that as a concern of mine, because not only is that about the function of our executive branch, but also the capabilities of this committee to be able to properly do our constitutional duties for oversight, the ability for us to be able to have that conversation. >> now, i'm also faced questions about other critical functions of the department of homeland security, including disaster relief. >> here's what she said about playing politics with disaster

aid. >> i assume you will agree with me that withholding disaster relief by president trump or any other chief executive of the united states is a violation of his duty and of law. >> well, senator, leadership has consequences. and looking at the tragedy that's happening, i want to ask you, is yes or no? >> with all due respect, it's an easy what's happening in california is the ramification of many decisions over many years. >> but under my leadership at the department of homeland security, there will be no political bias to how disaster relief is delivered to the american people. >> president trump were to say to you, we're going to withhold money from connecticut or michigan or any of the states, iowa, because we don't like the governor or we don't like the politics of the state. you would stand up to him and say, mr. president, we need to allocate that money.

>> senator, in three days, president trump will take an oath to uphold the constitution and the rule of law in this country. and he will do that, and i'll be glad to have him back. and i don't speak to hypotheticals, which is what you're asking me to do. but what i will tell you is that as secretary, i will do the same. i will deliver the programs as the. >> well, it's more than a hypothetical, with all due respect. and i apologize for interrupting you, but my time is limited. as you know, as a veteran of these hearings, it's more than a hypothetical. it's based on experience with president trump withholding money from washington state and elsewhere. i need to know from you, will you stand up to the president? >> will you stand up to the president and answer question now about the person who will most likely head the department of homeland security in a second trump administration? that was kristi noem's confirmation hearing. and it is where we start today with some of our

most favorite reporters and friends. nbc news white house correspondent vaughn hillyard is here with me at the table for the hour, co-host of msnbc's the weekend. alicia menendez is back. also back president of the national action network, host of msnbc's politics nation. the reverend al sharpton is here. let me ask you, vaughn hillyard, about kristi noem. she was talked about all the time. her name floated around all the time over the summer into the summer, ahead of her own publicity tour for her own book, about her own account, about shooting her own puppy, who was wild. it was reported that trump didn't love that. which is fascinating, because let me put up a headline about what trump wanted to do to migrants to this country. quote, shoot migrants legs, build alligator moat behind trump's ideas for border. this was a 2019 piece of reporting in the new york times that says this

privately. the president had often talked about fortifying a border wall with a water filled trench stocked with snakes or alligators, prompting aides to seek a cost estimate. he wanted the wall electrified with spikes on top that could pierce human flesh. after publicly suggesting that soldiers shoot migrants if they threw rocks, the president backed off when his staff told him that was illegal. but later in a meeting, aides recalled, he suggested that they shoot migrants in the legs to slow them down. that's not allowed either, they told him. >> this is conduct. >> i guess that could again fall under the purview of the governor. >> governor noem and this is a political figure totally unique in american political life, who is ascending to the executive branch to a cabinet post after describing an act so brutal. i think about 100% of americans disapproved of it. where does she stand today in trump's inner circle?

>> she is somebody who, let's be very clear, donald trump is tasking with a remarkable request to oversee what he says would be a mass deportation effort, the largest since dwight d eisenhower. kristi noem from south dakota. i was out there back in 2018 when she narrowly won her race for governor. she was the congresswoman at the time. and yet what she what he is asking her to do is oversee a deportation program that, frankly, we have not seen in our major, major urban areas since sheriff joe arpaio was at the helm of the sheriff's office in the greater phoenix area back from 2005 to 2016. i remember reverend sharpton was out there at some of the protests back at the time of the signing of sb 1070, and joe arpaio and his sheriff's office was was responsible for tens of thousands of individuals in maricopa county being deported. yet ultimately, his workplace

raids, in which his office targeted workplaces in which there were suspected undocumented immigrants working, and also what he called crime suppression sweep, which is where he would send his sheriff's deputies into predominantly brown neighborhoods and pull people over for a broken tail light and then check their immigration records and ultimately turn them over to federal ice authorities and have them deported. all of that came crashing down when a federal court stepped in and said that it amounted to racial profiling. and so i think what kristi noem is being asked by donald trump is something that joe arpaio struggled to do, even in just one locality, in one jurisdiction. and what is in front of her is a promise that donald trump has made to the american public, quite prominently, at the republican national convention. there were signs of mass deportations now, and she is the one, the south dakota governor who is being asked to go and ultimately work with ice, who has limited resources relatively, in order

to pull off such a feat as this. it's really quite a remarkable request that is being put in front of her. >> she was asked about some of those trump 1.0 programs and policies. let me show you her answer on child separation. rep. >> senator, the trump administration never had a family separation policy. they had a zero tolerance policy which said that our laws would be followed. what i'm alarmed by is the over 300,000 children that went missing during the biden administration. and when we talk about children and what they're potentially facing as far as victimization in this country and the trafficking, trafficking that's going on now, this administration's lack of desire to find out where those children are or what they may be going through is alarming to me. >> let's put aside what happened in the past. >> there are still a thousand children who are separated and waiting to be reunited. i'd like your commitment that you're

going to continue the effort to reunite them with their parents. >> sen. keeping families together is critically important to me and to this country. i'm concerned about lake and riley's family that they no longer have her. i'm concerned about the fact that that we have people in this country that don't know where their children are, or people in other countries who sent their children here, and they've been lost by this administration. >> you know, i think it's clear that she is unprepared not only for the examination, but to take the job, because much of what she was saying clearly had nothing to do with the position that she's been nominated for. donald trump himself has said that he's going to separate families, and the parents ought to understand that. and they can go with their their take their children with them. i mean, this is not something that has been vague. he has said that himself. so either she's going to defend the policy, either she's going to attack the policy or admit

she doesn't know what she's doing. and i would say that it's one of the last two. i also think that vaughn is right to bring up arpaio. let's not forget when we were out there, when i was out there. vaughn was the little guy that hadn't didn't have a beard yet. when i was out there leading protests with others, with arpaio, opaia became one of the biggest supporters of donald trump, the first recipient of a pardon. that's right. he was the first recipient of a pardon. and he toured around arizona helping donald trump. so and arpaio was the symbol. he became the personification of having people's families separated, racially profiling people because they were not pulling people over that they thought looked like they come from canada. this was all based on race. and then he would parade them around and make them wear pink underwear. once they had held them in, incarcerated until they deported them. that is who donald trump is, and that's who

he says he is. and you can agree or disagree, but let's not distort what he's made clear. >> and you're right. i mean, when he's asked in interviews about the brutality of the immigration policy, he's pretty brazen in his responses. he says, we got to do it. we got to do it. i want to show you some of alyssa slotkin's line of questioning for christina. >> if the president asks you to send in federal law enforcement to a state without coordination of that, governor, would you support that action? you know, senator, the my job, if nominated and sworn in as secretary of homeland security, is to uphold the constitution and to. so you will push back. of this country? yes. that will be the oath and the pledge that i will be making. and my goal also is to work with you to ensure that we have situations that are always appropriate, that we are well defined. i just need to know you're a former governor. you can imagine that if joe biden sent in 700 federal

law enforcement under secretary mayorkas without coordinating with you, i think we can agree you'd be a little upset. so i just ask that you give the same respect for coordination and that we just we are very sensitive. people are worried about politicizing of law enforcement and the uniformed military. that's a bad thing. i hope we can agree. >> she's already been nominated. >> she makes me miss sarah palin. >> but this is this is these are the flash points that are going to erupt. they may not actually happen under vaughn's watch in washington, d.c. they may happen out in the states where people are trying to implement trump's policies. >> i just want to take a big step back. this woman is has been appointed to run the department of homeland security. yeah. if you watch today and you only watched her statement and her answers, you didn't listen to the questions from the senators, you would think that the only thing she would be in

charge of was immigration and the us-mexico border. in reality, the mission of dhs is to secure the nation from the many threats we face. emphasis on many. you wouldn't know, for example, that she's going to be in charge of fema. you wouldn't know that she's in charge of america's cybersecurity. and so my big macro question coming out of this hearing is, is she so hyper focused on immigration and the us-mexico border that she's not going to have her eye on other threats to the u.s. homeland? and is that going to come not just in attention, but in resources? okay, so that's one piece on the immigration answer. >> yes. >> yes. and then in addition to that, on the immigration piece, it's so hard to watch these hearings if you know too much about policy, because you're like, that's not how this works. that's not how any of this works. right? they're talking about getting rid of this app that actually let allowed people a process to apply for asylum from their home country. it made people less reliant on smugglers because they had a process. you talk about remain in mexico.

remain in mexico, requires cooperation with the mexican government. donald trump is coming in to a very different counterpart than he had the first time around. someone who's already proven that she knows how to go toe to toe with him, how to call their bluff, remain in mexico also means mexico gets to decide which foreign nationals get to stay and which to go. it gives them a tremendous amount of power and latitude. so if the intention of the incoming trump administration is to take power away from the smugglers, power away from the cartels, they are actually doing the opposite. they are creating a void by limiting a lawful process. and you know who steps in when there's that void? the cartels and the smugglers. and so they are making america and americans less safe. >> i mean, it's an interesting point, a subtle one. >> i'll give alicia credit for that about competence here. why not put somebody and i know chris christie has fallen out of

favor, but but of all the things trump ran on, the one for which, in trump's mind, he believes he has the greatest wind at his back politically is immigration and the border. why not put someone with an undeniable record or brand of being competent in charge of dhs? >> it's a it's a question that i'm not sure that i. nicole not to dodge may be the one necessarily best positioned to answer, other than i can tell you that the interesting part about this is that i feel like we have lived through this, right? we lived through a first trump administration, and so many of the commitments that donald trump made when, when selecting his cabinet were in these months before he won the presidential election, that he would pick people who he had utmost trust in and that they would be loyal to ultimately executing the policies that he promised the country he would implement. and so when you're looking at the pool of

individuals to choose from, to nominate the pool of individuals who have the credentials of, for example, a member of congress or governor, and match that with individuals who donald trump trusts and knows will be loyal to carrying out what he wants executed on. i think that that pool is significantly smaller than it was in 2017 when we covered that first transition, because suddenly you weighed out everybody like chris christie and mike pence and liz cheney or people that are, frankly, maybe have more experience, like a john kelly or who, like donald trump, didn't have a personal relationship with his first coming into his first administration. i think that that is where the number of individuals that are formed, that that small nucleus of individuals who are entrusted by donald trump comes down to people like kristi noem. and that's why his vp list was actually quite small, too, because the number of people who

he had faith of carrying out what are right, some people could consider extreme or serious executive orders or demands that push the limits of the executive branch's powers is very narrow. >> all right. no one's going anywhere. when we come back, there's some breaking news to tell you about. it's about donald trump's pick to lead the nation's top health agency, rfk jr, and his push to do away with the covid vaccine during the height of the deadly pandemic, new scrutiny he's sure to face at his upcoming confirmation hearing. also ahead, a rare unanimous decision from the united states supreme court today upholding a ban on tiktok, citing national security concerns. the president elect says come monday, he could reverse that. and later in the broadcast, what president joe biden is doing in his final hours in the white house to help ensure his own legacy and at the same time, ensure minimum damage from what donald trump has planned in the coming days. all those stories and more when

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vaccine in the future. six months earlier, trump had declared the covid vaccines a miracle. vaughn hillyard how is rfk's confirmation going? >> this is a moment where there is, i think, the expectation at this point in time that kennedy is going to ultimately pass by here. but i think this is, again, an individual who. right. publicly was calling and also here with a direct formal request of the fda, was questioning in real time the emergency authorization of the covid vaccine. and at a moment in time where i questioned him when he was running for president, but then also during the transition immediately after donald trump's win, about his commitment to ensuring that covid vaccines and all vaccines would remain on the market. and now he says that he would not interfere with that process. but there's a lot that goes into ultimately removing a vaccine from the marketplace versus, let's say, another pandemic takes place and there is the need for another emergency authorization from the fda of an

additional vaccine. to what extent would robert f kennedy jr. use his department to try to slow down that process or require not emergency authorization, but the a more formal process that could take potentially several more months of time before it were to enter the marketplace. and i think those are questions. undoubtedly, we will hear him face from these senators. but at this point in time, there doesn't seem to be too much hostility among republicans to ultimately backing his confirmation. >> i mean, let me read more of the evidence of what the consequences would have been had rfk, as an activist, had his way to say nothing of rfk. as the head of hhs, estimates have begun to show that the rapid rollout of covid vaccines had already saved 140,000 lives in the united states. i understand that journalists covering this moment have to make sure we understand the political reality and the political impotence of senate republicans, but that doesn't mean that these are people who should lead agencies

in charge of keeping americans healthy and alive. what do you make of this revelation? had it broken about a nominee to head hhs for any normal democratic or republican president elect? >> i don't think any normal person with that kind of background would have ever been nominated. i was not surprised at the story, because i remember when we were dealing with the outbreak of covid all over the country, national action network and other civil rights groups, we got together and formed a group called choose healthy life with deborah frazier house and reverend calvin butts, whose pastor and i co-chaired it. when they had people come to the churches to get vaccinated and tested, they had people out there picketing black churches saying, don't go and die. so and robert kennedy was part of all of that. so this is no surprise to any of us to have this man. you said it right. he was an activist against this. this was no theory. he wasn't sitting somewhere writing a column against it. they actively were

trying to stop people from taking vaccines and trying to stop the vaccinations from occurring. and to now have him in charge and to try to flip that. he didn't say things he said is absolutely ridiculous. they actively tried to stop the distribution of vaccines around this country, and i saw some of it firsthand. >> let me read to you more from this time story. it just breaking. interestingly, when asked about the times reporting on this, he does a little bit of a two step. i mean, understanding that the politics aren't black and white for him, even if his confirmation is, quote, kennedy's transition spokeswoman did not respond to requests for comment, but has said recently that he does not want to take vaccines away. quote. asked in november by an nbc reporter. i think that's yvonne about his general opposition to covid vaccines and whether he would have stopped authorization. kennedy said he was concerned that the vaccines didn't prevent transmission of

the virus. quote, i wouldn't have directly blocked it, he said. it would have made sure that we had the best science, and there was no effort to do that at the time. again, trump was president. >> yeah, and they're already interviewing people for positions inside the agency. and one of the questions they're asking about is whether or not they believe in vaccines and want to promote vaccines. this is front and center. you can't pretend it's not. this timeline here is also alarming to me. you mean may 2021. he's described as being on the fringes. and now here we are, january 2025. and guess what? you may be running the agency that gets to make all of these big choices. that happens incredibly quickly. and i just want to pivot real quickly back to nome, because as we were on air, there was breaking news. you have the fifth circuit ruling against the daca program again, but limiting and pausing its ruling pending appeal, which means that daca lives for now. and it presents a question to kristi noem that i hope will be asked of her, which is will you continue to process daca renewals so long as this is

pending appeal? because the point of all of this, whether it's the vaccines, whether it's the daca programs, real people's lives hang in the balance. real people are relying on their government to keep them safe. and that need remains even as governments transition. >> i'll i'll stay with the pivot back to immigration. >> eric adams is at mar-a-lago today. i haven't seen a readout. i'll ask vaughn to jump in if he has. >> but your thoughts about what and why he's there. >> he texted me last night, said he was going. i told him that i was adamantly opposed to this president. he says i'm going to talk about resources needed in new york. and i told him, i said, it's going to be interpreted many ways differently. i am against this president. i wouldn't trust him. and to go on martin luther king weekend with a guy that says, i'm going to sign an order against dei diversity, equity and inclusion, which has been

part of your mayoralty. so we can disagree without being disagreeable. but i definitely think that it was. he puts himself in the at the risk of this president elect manipulating him and saying, see, i can pardon all of these january 6th people because it was politicized, because what happened to adams was politicized. he should not allow himself to be used like that. >> did he say whether he was seeking the president's intervention into the investigation? >> no, we didn't talk about that at all. we first of all, we text and he said, when he gets back, we'll sit down and talk. and it's not the first time we disagreed on politics. but again, i know donald trump. donald trump used to come to my conventions and now i'm the biggest, whatever that he ever met. he and he'll flip in a minute. and if i went to mar-a-lago, he'd talk about he was old friends. i would say to the mayor that you if you were in a cage with a rattlesnake and donald trump trust the rattlesnake, you know what it'll

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tick tock, tick tock, tick tock, tick tock, tick tock, tick tock, tick tock, tick tock, tick tock, tick tock. no way. no. >> it's unrelated. it has nothing. >> he's so good. >> so i don't know. i'll leave it to you to decide whether he wants to ban tiktok or save it. trump doesn't have long left to make up his mind. because today, the supreme court gave the green light to a law that could ban the chinese owned social media site for its 170 million users. here in the united states. that ban goes into place sunday. that was the point of the legislation anyway. but at this late hour, there is still a great deal of mystery. remember, lawmakers from both sides of the aisle have accused tiktok's china based parent company, bytedance, of stealing american user data and manipulating what people see on the video sharing app to be decidedly more pro-china. tiktok has denied all of this, but this afternoon, there's an open

question as to whether or not the law will actually be enforced. president biden, who will still be president on sunday, is treating the issue like a hot potato, handing the decision off to donald trump, who takes office monday. now consider that we know trump says he talked about tiktok with chinese president xi today. we know trump's at least considered an executive order designed to save his now beloved tiktok. and we know tiktok ceo is expected to attend donald trump's inauguration monday. and if you're wondering why trump is suddenly such a fan, just consider that earlier this month, trump himself, in the course of sharing enormous viewership data from his tiktok accounts, asked, quote, why would i want to get rid of tiktok? joining our conversation, msnbc political analyst tim miller is here. he's a former rnc spokesman, now host of the bulwark podcast. alicia and robert here. so again, why would i want to get rid of

tiktok? here's your own secretary of state and national security advisor telling you why. >> i want to ban tiktok for a very simple reason. they allow the chinese communist party to gain access to all of the private data on any device in america that's using tiktok. that's our kids, that's phones connected to our kids phones, and that's a national security threat. but it's a direct threat to our way of life, our economics. it's allowed them to interfere in the midterm elections. this company should be banned. i don't know why they're allowed to operate in the united states. >> the debate i keep having with members of my family is i'm telling them, get off, and other folks in my network, it is a vacuum cleaner of every password. >> your financial information, anything on signal or whatsapp or any private communication you're having. they're collecting it by the millions. >> so i guess for trump that's the why. but he's trump. and so i'm not sure i'm not sure that that is going to be the judgment

that rules the day tim miller yeah. >> well after watching that montage at the start, i'm going to need a cocktail after i get off the air here. nicole. so thank you for that. that was a little too much trump for me today. it's time. it's okay. it's 340 central. here's the thing about trump. all right. and this is important to kind of frame this up for this tiktok situation. but everything over the next 100 days and four years, trump basically cares about four things. immigration, like particularly deporting people that he thinks are that are not from scandinavian countries, but that that was, you know, obviously the motivating thing of his initial campaign all the way back to 2016, the tariffs, he's obsessed with tariffs. he thinks they're magical. it's his favorite word. he likes tariffs. so those are the two policy issues. he cares about immigration and tariffs. he also cares about the people that are mean to him being sad you know owning the libs if you will. and he also cares about

people being nice to him and flattering him or giving him money. that's like that's it. so if you're trying to understand, like what trump is going to do, you can just think about those four things and think, well, where does this fall? it's not an immigration issue. it's not a tariff issue. it's not going to make, you know, the democrats sad if he if he bans it because most of them voted for the ban. and so like the question is, can the tiktok people flatter him enough to, you know, put put spokes in the wheels of this effort that has already passed overwhelmingly in congress and was unanimously affirmed by the supreme court? i suspect, yes. and that's why the tiktok ceo is going to be at the inauguration. that's why jeff yass, who's a big investor, gave money to trump's campaign. that's why they're out there putting up, you know, little graphics there of all the people that watch him on tiktok. so i mean, i think that's what it's going to come down to is does he feel like he's getting enough flattery or cash to intervene? >> yeah. so when you said four, i made a list and let me see how

our lists match up. i wrote deportations, his press coverage, his wealth, the economy and retribution. and i want to focus. i want to just follow up with you on his wealth. i think trump has also made clear. and yesterday we had all of the, you know, tech bros up who were tightwads in 16 and 20, who are now gushing millions of dollars to trump's inauguration. trump has projected that the presidency is for sale. what does that mean for tiktok? >> well, i think it's good news for tech. it's better to have a president that thinks that their platform is for sale, than one that's going to stand on principle or care about national security, you know? and so look, yeah, if you look at that list that we had, i mean, i guess you were just slightly nicer to him by saying he cares about the economy. and i said only about tariffs. so maybe we can say the maybe he cares about the economy broadly. at least he doesn't want it to crash, probably because then he thinks it would look bad for him. but that all ladders back up to this question

about himself. right. like his image, the flattering him or paying him. and look, there was a story that got lost in all the hearings this week. pam bondi, who was nominated for attorney general. she has invested like $3 million, three plus million dollars in trump's totally worthless social media platform that nobody's on except for trump. that has no that's making no money and has no real value. and she got nominated to be attorney general. is there a direct thing there? i'm not saying that there is or accusing it of it. i'm just saying that like, this is so different from 2016 and just how much how open they are to these contributions from these big tech giants and other ceos who are putting money in the inaugural fund and into his pac, and also for investments, because now he has a private company and he is a crypto coin that people can invest in. and then he's got all of his hotels that people can stay at. and there's so many ways that you could contribute to trump inc broadly now that like that is something that is

definitely going to be a factor on on issues such as this. >> it's amazing. >> and i have to ask all of you if that makes it easier to cover him, that it's all just mask off, clothes off, brazen grift or more disorienting, i have to sneak in a break first. we'll. i'll be right back. >> donald trump plans to reshape the u.s. government. >> democrats have wasted no time in laying the groundwork to fight the incoming trump administration. >> donald trump wants a presidential cabinet full of loyalists. >> don't miss the weekend, saturday and sunday mornings at 8:00 on msnbc. >> stay up to date on the biggest issues of the day with the msnbc daily newsletter. get the best of msnbc all in one the best of msnbc all in one place. sign up to my son, i've never been the cool dad. i always wanted to know what he's up to online. but with tiktok's privacy settings being on by default for teens under 16, accounts are set to private. he cannot send or receive dm's, and only his friends can comment.

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ban is about the technology. >> correct. and it's and it's agnostic in terms of what it is that you are posting. i had missed that donald trump actually filed a brief in this case. and in it he he shares his own truth social post. for all those that want to save tiktok in america, vote trump. that's from september 4th, 2024. he also references his 14.7 million followers on the platform. so to say, like partly to the list that you and tim were putting together, there's audience slash crowd size, which is important to him. there is an audience here that he has built and does not want to lose. he's trying to make the argument, well, listen, because i use the platform, i actually understand it better. and he also references his own consummate deal making expertise and electoral mandate and says like, don't worry, i'm going to figure this out politically. i think this is for him, though more politically fraught than he may realize. why? because there is there are large number of

americans who utilize this platform, who love this platform. and there are real security risks inherent in the platform. and those two things are in tension. and ordinarily, he is able to simplify things to the point where one of those two becomes just more important than the other. but holding america's national security and americans privacy sort of high on his list. he campaigned on two things bringing down costs, has already told us is not going to be able to do that. and two, keeping americans safe. this is this needs to be part of that. yeah. right. >> and china is one of his boogeyman. >> it definitely is. and it only brings more credibility to those of us that feel that he's just going to do business. he's just going to deal with whoever is beneficial to him and his family. he knows that he's not going to be able to run again. he's 78 years old. he'll be 82 years old when he leaves office, and i think that he'll bother with the chinese, with the russians. it doesn't matter for him to make this 180 degree

turn. and i didn't know he had filed a brief. it's business with donald trump and anyone that has ever dealt with trump, like those of us in new york, that dealt with him hot and cold for years, know it's all about the bottom line for trump or his self-aggrandizement. >> so tim miller, this is where i feel like it's not about trump anymore. it's about us. he has revealed himself so completely this time ahead of his second inauguration on monday. how do we adapt and adjust to this? out in the open, everything's for sale, including us national security, presidency. >> well, it's a big question. i mean, for because for some people, you know, that stuff isn't affecting them today. right? and i get this question from regular folks like, what am i supposed to do on monday or next week? and i'm like, get involved in your community. like you don't need to engage in this minute by minute. but for the people who have a political if your question is to the democrats or to the anti-trump coalition broadly, right. like i think that the political opportunity here, which has really come into focus in the

last couple of weeks especially, and it was part of biden's farewell address, even though that was not really part of the campaign in any meaningful way, is like this notion that trump ran for the forgotten man, ostensibly right, or for america, the american worker. like that's the whole conceit of maga. and here he is. he's not even in yet, and he's already selling the government, selling people's security, selling people's jobs, some people's interests to these, the highest bidders, because he likes being around rich people. and that's what he actually cares about, is the interest of these billionaires. and he likes having elon around. and, you know, he likes getting sucked up to by mark zuckerberg and jeff bezos. and i think that is a political opportunity for the democrats that allows them to, once again, kind of carry the mantle of being for regular people against the uber wealthy. so i think focusing on that contrast and how trump is betraying his own voters is a political opportunity for the democrats that is coming into focus right now. and obviously it's not something they can take

advantage of until the midterms, but that you can begin to, you know, start the drumbeat already. >> yeah. i mean, it's something to talk about next week with you, tim miller, but it is it is sort of the ideological and brand tension that undergirds the musk bannon fight that we've talked about so much, much more on all of this. as the days come into focus. tim miller, alicia menendez and the rev, thank you for joining us today, alicia. we'll all be watching you here tomorrow at and sunday at 8 a.m. for the weekend. and rev your show politics nation at 5 p.m. saturday and sunday. guests this week include the minority leader, hakeem jeffries, and martin luther king, the third, and his family. none of us will miss any of your programs. it will be too cold to do anything will be too cold to do anything owhen you really need to sleep. you reach for the really good stuff. zzzquil ultra helps you sleep better and longer when you need it most. its non-habit forming and powered by the makers of nyquil.

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really i really am concerned because you've heard me say it a hundred times. i really think we're at an inflection point in history here. and then think about it this way. i got involved in public life because of the abuse of power. i mean, my dad would say, you know, the greatest sin of all is the abuse of power. >> hi again everyone. it's 5:00 in new york in the final days of his presidency, that fear expressed by president joe biden and the fear of power being abused by the powerful, the fear of democracy's fragility is not an abstract thing anymore. it is well-founded and not easily overcome. the new york times editorial board writes about this very thing in its last piece before trump's inauguration. it asks all of us, the american people and america's institutions to try. it writes of the style of trump's governing, if we can even call it that. at this

point, they write this quote, his goal. trump's goal in these efforts has been to push people to check themselves rather than to check his power. he wants to make dissent so painful as to be intolerable. and so the editorial board argues, we, the public, cannot shrink in the face of that quote. america's leaders and institutions must remain undeterred. they will need to show courage and resilience in the face of trump's efforts, as they continue to play their unique roles in our democracy. vigilance is everything. if institutions surrender to the fear and coercion by bending the knee, or by rationalizing that the next right actions aren't worth the fight, stress or risk, they not only embolden future abuses, they are also complicit in undermining their own power and influence. we've already seen this happen in the months since trump was reelected, and well ahead of his official taking the oath of office and obeisance in advance, especially

from the likes of congress and some of the most high profile global business leaders. underscoring the urgency of this fight in this moment and the reality that it will be ongoing and uncomfortable over these next four years. and that is why, in these final days of the biden presidency, we're watching the 46th president take action from the washington post, quote, biden's designated national monuments in california, and remove cuba from the list of state sponsors of terrorism. he's blocked a japanese company's takeover of u.s. steel and extended temporary protected status to nearly 1 million immigrants. he's commuted the sentences of nearly everyone who was on federal death row, and he's granted to his son, hunter biden, a sweeping pardon. outgoing presidents often conclude their tenure with a flurry of activity, such as pardons or proclamations. but biden's efforts have been unusually wide ranging, reflecting his conviction that

trump represents a unique threat to american traditions. battening down the hatches of our democracy is where we start the hour with some of our favorite experts and friends. co-host of msnbc's the weekend, my friend symone sanders townsend is here, plus, president of reproductive freedom for all. mini timmaraju is back, msnbc columnist and author of the newsletter. to the contrary. charlie sykes is here. symone, i start with you on the biden side of the ledger. your thoughts about his final days as president. >> look, nicole, i think there were a lot of people who believed that maybe president biden did not understand, did not understand the moment we were in. right, particularly when he welcomed president elect trump to the white house. and then the white house released these photos of not just in the oval office, but literally outside posing outside the white house, smiling with trump. and there were folks who said, oh, no, he just said he was a threat to democracy. and here he is welcoming him. maybe the democrats were just all rhetoric, but what the president i think his his legacy and to be

clear, legacies, they are evaluated over time, not in one particular moment. and i think the legacy that joe biden leaves here will be one. that is what he told me when he when i first talked to him in 2019, that the battle for the soul of this nation and what he did in the oval office address the other night, what he continuously reiterated in the interview, the excellent interview that lawrence conducted is that joe biden understands this moment, and he wants the american people to understand this moment as well. he is not going out, you know, all rainbows and bunnies, as i like to say, and giving a laundry list of all his accomplishments and says, oh, it's going to be all right. he is warning us all that if we do not stand guard, if we do not do something, in the words of michelle obama, this country is going to become something that we do not recognize. and i know some people might say that that's hyperbole, but look around. open your eyes. it is happening. >> i mean, symone, to your point, we led with his farewell message because not only in the

context of previous farewell messages, but to your point about people that are wondering whether the democratic party and the pro-democracy movement understands the moment or believes the warnings it's issued? >> hell, yes they do. i mean, he warned of an american oligarchy. i think it's an it's an incredibly important i mean, the choices he's made in these final days should leave no doubt in anyone's mind that it's as dire as people have been warning. >> absolutely. and, you know, to be clear, that is not how joe biden talks. you know, anyone who knows the president, he doesn't he doesn't speak like that. this is not a speech, frankly, that he that he had been he had given before and that anyone just take a look at what he has said that should let you know that he understands this moment. the president is someone who believes in thed about with the interview with lawrence when he why he, you know, got into public service in the first place. he started as a county councilman and then became the youngest person ever elected to the united states

senate at one point in time, then obviously, vice president. now, president joe biden is someone that even when we worked for him and we would say, you know, he i would get in a very spirited battles, if you will, with the president. when i worked for him on the campaign trail in the in 2020, because joe biden would say, you know, this is he would it would sound sometimes if he is talking about a congress and a way of life and politics no longer exists. and for all of us, even people that work for him, that doubted him, he went in and he got all this work done within the with the congress, given the interesting dynamics, he it pains him, i think, to see what is happening in this country. and for anyone that cares about our country, who loves it, who wants a future for our children and our children's children, i think you have to be willing to, you know, take up your banner, take up your mantle, you know, find your place in space here and lean in and do the real hard work of defending these, the hard fought ones and gains that we have made in this country because donald trump, he doesn't care about

those things. he cares about other things. his agenda is very different than the agenda for american democracy. >> charlie sykes, the new york times editorial board, also stepping pretty brazenly and boldly into this space of urging people to protect institutions. let me read you their editorial first is simply demonstrating conviction by identifying the right thing to do, then showing the courage to pursue that path even in the face of pressure. second is remembering that despite trump's transactional nature, no one can count on remaining in his good graces without continued unconditional fealty. ask those in his own inner circle who justified or turned a blind eye to misbehavior again and again, only to be cast out for a single episode of standing up to his excesses. any advantage gained may be fleeting. any risk overcome may return. third is demonstrating faith in the american system with its remarkable series of checks and balances, with its strong set of

rights, with its promise of equal justice. your thoughts about this moment and these messages? >> well, obviously, i think the institutions need to stand up against donald trump. >> i think they ought not to bend the knee. >> but, you know, what we don't need is more, you know, empty rhetoric, reciting the same sorts of things. >> and i'm sorry, i have to disagree about joe biden battening down the hatches for democracy. >> he failed to batten down the, the hatches for democracy. >> and i think that we need to be very, very clear eyed about this. >> i think that joe biden had one major responsibility, which was to hold donald trump accountable and to prevent his return to power. that was his prime directive, and he failed to do so. >> and he's leaving office with the democratic brand, the opposition brand badly tarnished. >> donald trump is emboldened, empowered, immune and about to take office. a lot of the

protections that could have been put in place, many of the steps that could have been taken were not taken. and i think that we need to be clear eyed about that, that, you know, yes, joe biden had a lot of successes. >> but the reality is, is that his legacy will be as a parenthesis between the two terms of donald trump. and for people who are thinking that i'm being too negative here, if we do not in a very clear eyed way, understand how we screwed up, we won't be able to prevent screwing up again. >> and so i do think that it is disappointing the way this has come to an end. it didn't have to be this way. and i think that that both democrats and members of the pro-democracy coalition have to ask, how is it that with donald trump's character, a convicted felon, a man who made his made no secret of his authoritarian leanings, you know, ran one of the ugliest

campaigns ever? how is it that they were not able to prevent his return to power? how was it they were not able to empower the institutions that used to be the guardrails of democracy. so i think i think we need to have a continue to have a very honest discussion about that. >> what do we do now? >> well, i think that the opposition needs to be the opposition, but it also needs to be smart about it. donald trump is going to flood the zone on monday. it won't be the first hundred days. it will be the first hundred hours. and i think that right now we i think the key thing is not to be overwhelmed or distracted. >> donald trump is a master of distraction. >> i think we have to separate the noise from the signal. figure out what is important, what is substantive, and to seize upon those issues. because i think that donald trump and the and the republicans are going to be drastically and radically out of step with public opinion on a lot of things. millions of americans voted for donald trump for a

variety of reasons, whatever the price of eggs. but this is an administration that's going to be at ramming speed. they are overplaying their mandate. i think that they are going to push it too far. i think that they are suffused with hubris and triumphalism, and american political history would suggest that when a political party comes in and overreaches in a radical way like that, that they will stumble. and i think that democrats and other members of this coalition need to be smart and need to be selective in picking out those things that i think are going to trip up the trump administration and but also to defend the things that are the most important to defend, not to be distracted by the ephemera, but to, to, you know, really go at the fundamental challenges to the rule of law, to public health, to national security, all of those things that actually matter to the average american. >> i want one more question for

you. and then i do want to give someone a chance to respond. but let me just ask you, there's a lot of criticism this week that the democrats have perhaps underachieved in the confirmation hearings. what is one of the country's two political parties, especially the one in the minority? what is the mission and what does success look like if republicans, to a person, are more afraid of a mean tweet from donald trump than someone with a record of appearing on the air and at work drunk, taking female staffers to strip clubs, an allegation of rape? what what does success look like if one of the two parties is more afraid of trump than putting that person in charge of every man and woman in the military? >> well, that that's that is the world that we live in. and we're seeing this on display right now. i mean, the fact that somebody like a joni ernst would roll over and cave in on peter higgs is an indication of that.

but, you know, i had you and i had talked about this. we had i had high expectations for these these confirmation hearings highlighted the unseriousness of many of these nominee nominees, the, the, the absurdity of these, of these appointments and the real danger that they posed. and i guess they did underperform, because the reality is, is that the reality is that i don't know that they were ready to handle that particular environment that you're discussing. now, keep in mind that republicans are afraid of the mean tweets, but they also have to go back to their voters. and if, in fact, you expose the extreme agenda, it's not just that peter hegseth might be a drunk and, you know, a man who sexually assaults women because apparently that's acceptable in the, in the, in the trump world, but that that he embraces these extreme ideas

that in fact will undermine our veterans, will undermine our fighting forces, and to actually go with the substance of all of this. so i do think that this was one of those lessons that that, you know, we all have to be better at this. we just can't keep reciting the same talking points. we can't use the same jargon. we can't just simply assume that because a person is a bad character, they will be rejected. we have to make it very, very clear to the american people what this means to them, what it means to their lives and the lives of their children. and some, you know, some of the senators turned in very, very strong performances. but overall, i think they're going to need to up their game after after monday. >> so i'll let you respond to charlie. but let me add one more question on my own. i take the note. i agree with the note, but i don't know that i could articulate the mission. i don't know how you make people care about the character of a woman who writes in her own book about

brutally shooting and murdering her own dog because it was a frisky puppy. i don't know how you connect with the american people and make them care about the character of a man whose own mother said he was awful to women. i don't know how you connect or make people care about the lack of qualifications for the person who will be in charge of mass deportations of more human beings in human history. that's the ambition of the trump mass deportation policy. i don't know, i take the note. i agree with the note. i too was underwhelmed. but i think there's a structural thing that no one wants to talk about in terms of people's appetite and hunger for hate and punishing the other. >> i think you're absolutely right, nicole. and i mean, i agree with the note. i think that maybe not even making people care, but i do think that a number of the questions could have been more pointed and specific to the role of the job. i think that there is a notion for us to get hung up on the character and the morality of the things which i care about

character, and i care about morals, but the reality is that many of these nominees are just simply unqualified. like you can push let's let's set aside pete hegseth alleged issues with alcoholism and his infidelity to his wife, and perhaps even sexual assault. he's not qualified. what are his qualifications to be the secretary of defense? the fact that he was a veteran? thank you for your service. but that is in fact not the qualifications. like he could name security agreements that the secretary of defense was in charge of administering and overlooking as a part of the united states government. he could not name the countries in asean. he did not. he didn't know specifics. right. and those are the things, frankly, that i think democrats need to focus on. look, i understand that, you know, everybody is not going to feel the same way about joe biden. i do think that legacies are not made in a moment. and over time, they change, right. i will say this, pete, public opinion, we're talking this is the

weekend of mlk that before we celebrate mlk day on monday, in addition to this inauguration and in the aftermath of mlk s assassination, you know, the majority of people in this country, when asked an opinion poll, said that doctor king brought his assassination upon himself. they said that he was a socialist and that he was a communist. that is what the people thought of doctor king in the aftermath of his assassination. he is one of the greats in this country, right? i say that to say that sometimes the public opinion, sometimes the people are wrong. there are many things that used to be the law of the land that people agreed with in this country, everything from slavery to women not being able to, you know, have their own bank account unless associated with their husband, let alone other rights. so i do think that part of the people that say they want to do the work of pro-democracy, of not just defending institutions, but defending the hard fought gains that the people, that the people, the institutions did not bring us these rights. the people fought for these rights to be enshrined into the institutions. right. doctor king

often said that one thing we knew in the south is that freedom is, is, is always won. it's never given. so people have to recommit themselves to whatever their work is and be specific and be consistent and understand that they may not see their gains. joe biden might be like moses, okay, moses led the people out of out of bondage. and then they wandered around into the wilderness for 40 years before they got to the promised land. hopefully it doesn't take 40 years, but the reality is, is that there's work to do. >> my friend. i don't know if we have 40 years. i need all of you to stick around. i need to bring me in on all this when we come back, what the next four years have in store for supporters of reproductive health care, reproductive rights, there are alarming new developments to tell you about and headlines about how abortion opponents want husbands and boyfriends, sexual partners to report their partners abortions. we'll bring you that reporting next. and later in the broadcast, our friends luke broadwater and annie karni of the new york times, with their forthcoming new book, madhouse, about the

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wing texas judge matthew kazmarek ruled that the states of idaho, kansas and missouri can proceed with a lawsuit seeking to curb the use of the abortion drug mifepristone and prevent it from being prescribed remotely. it has been a vital lifeline for women living in states with abortion bans. bismarck's ruling comes even though the supreme court dismissed the case last year, and neither idaho, kansas or missouri has any ties to kazimierz district in texas. as these legal battles escalate, anti reproductive freedom activists are stooping to new lows, further endangering the lives of actual women living in states with abortion bans in the process. texas washington post reports this quote as anti-abortion advocates launch legal efforts to stop abortion pills from reaching women in states with bans, they are increasingly turning to one group with uniquely intimate and specific information to help them find cases. male sex

partners of women who decided to end their pregnancies. this partner focused approach will shift a more public shift to a more public phase next month, when texas's largest anti-abortion organization launches an advertising campaign on facebook and x to reach the husbands, boyfriends and sex partners of women who have had abortions in the state, with the goal of recruiting them to file lawsuits against those who assisted the women in ending their pregnancies. one anti-abortion activist told the washington post this, quote, the strategy right now is to tell dads that if you're the father of a child victim of an abortion, you have legal rights. there may be a way to hold these people accountable. we're back with simone, minnie and charlie and joining us at the table, host of the fast politics podcast, special correspondent for vanity fair, molly jong-fast is here. minnie, i start with you. how do you fight these efforts on so many fronts?

>> yeah, this is the first trump administration we're going to have under the dobbs decision. >> i think that's really important. >> so we have republicans up and down the ballot from donald trump to, you know, down ballot races, u.s. senate races, governors races, ag's legislatures who ran away from the abortion issue, who ran away from their party and their own records. mike johnson, promising not to take action on abortion bans. donald trump really trying to hide his record. so one of the one of the main things that i took away from the dialog with charlie and simone just now is there's a lot to learn from the abortion rights movement and how to tackle extremists, including donald trump, but also extremists like matthew kazmarek, you know, attorney general dan paxton in texas and other folks across the country. and it's this it's we now have the for the first time, policymakers who have been

elected to office, despite their records on abortion, the american people were unequivocal in their support on reproductive freedom. so what we have to be doing now is very aggressively making sure the american people understand when these policymakers are taking these actions, what they're doing about it, and how they can take how they can take action. so, for example, we saw multiple nominees this week being grilled by us senators about their positions on reproductive health. we're going to see legislation, anti-abortion legislation on the house floor next week. and we're going to continue to see action in the states by extremist republicans, like the ones you just mentioned, taking out these really egregious offensive ads, totally out of step with the american people. now, if it happens without protest and without action from organizations like ours, we've missed a massive opportunity. >> the good news is we're ready. >> we're rested. >> we're marching in the streets tomorrow in states across the country and will continue to

organize. >> and they're giving us a hell of a lot to organize around. >> minnie, what do you do in the more intimate setting for women who i mean, let me read you the post reporting about how this would impact victims of domestic violence. quote, some of the men who have filed this kind of legal action have a history of verbal and emotional abuse. when a texas man filed a lawsuit in early 2023 against three women who had helped his ex-wife obtain abortion pills, he had a history of harassing his former partner, according to court records. according to transcripts of recordings his ex-wife shared with the court, marcus silva threatened to persecute her if she didn't have sex with him and do his laundry. he also threatened to send sex videos of her to her employer and her family and friends, transcripts show. how do you how do you take the activism in the streets and protect in the near term, while republicans control all the levers of power? how do you protect women? while republican policymakers are

soliciting their abusers to tell on them and rat them out? >> it's extremely disturbing and chilling. women in particular, when we organize and when we are activated, we don't just do it in one sector, right? >> most activists we know in this space and the gender equity movements across the board, whether it's paid leave, domestic violence, you know, family, anti family violence, rape, anti-rape organizations, we're used to being advocates in every part of our life. this is also important and important. note that pregnancy coercion, coercion, domestic abuse it rises when women are pregnant. pregnancy is one of the most dangerous times for women, not just because of the medical situation. she's in the precarious nature of pregnancy, but also because of the rates of domestic violence and assault that rise in intimate partner

violence when a partner is pregnant. so look, the way that we tackle it is we organize, but we organize in our communities. you know, some of the most powerful civic organizations in this country are organizations that provide mutual aid and resource to women in crisis who are in situations of domestic abuse or sexual assault. we work very closely with those organizations. our activists, many of our supporters, are the same women and leaders in their communities, and we have to make sure we're continuing to reach out. the good news is, since dobbs, our movement and organizations allied with us in the larger gender equity space have been doing that through abortion funds, through, you know, assistance across state lines and those same women, those same activists who do that work are often trained doulas. they're trained advocates for women in other areas of their life, too. so that's how we're going to do the work. >> minnie's work has always been so vital, but i think

atmospherically, women, again, if they're suffering or struggling or being in a situation of abuse or in a high risk pregnancy, need to hear minnie's voice. because what's going to happen monday is the president, who was found liable for sexual assault, will be sworn in. i'm a vice president and jd vance who believes that women should stay in marriages, even violent ones, will be sworn in as vice president. a credibly accused person will become the secretary of defense if all the reporting is accurate. rfk jr, also credibly accused by someone who worked took care of his kids. there will be very high profile men in control of the federal government who stand accused of the kinds of abuses that minnie's talking about. >> yeah. >> you know, look, this was the thing that was really shocking in the 2024 election was you had voters vote for choice right? in the state. >> they had these state ballot initiatives, and they voted

overwhelmingly in many states, including red states, that they wanted choice. they wanted power over their body, but they also voted for trump. >> and democrats tried to thread the needle to say, you know, this guy, he's not you know, he's the guy who appointed the justices to the supreme court who ultimately overturned roe v wade. and they couldn't make voters believe it again and again. we saw voters did not believe donald trump would do a lot of the things he said he would do. and on abortion, he smartly pivoted. right. he said, i'm not, you know, i'm going to leave it up to the states. he was very oblique in the way he talked about abortion. so what's going to happen now is what we all know is going to happen, right? it's what this article we're talking about. these state, these red states are teeing it up in order to go after the abortion pill. and i think that part of what's going to have to happen is that voters are going to have to actually see this. and it's too bad, because i think a lot of us hoped that they wouldn't have to do this, that this wouldn't have to get so far.

>> but i'm not sure what the other choices are at this point. >> yeah, i, a woman said to me, not enough women died. last election. this ominous time. simone, we will be watching you tomorrow and sunday and on sunday at eight eastern on the weekend. simone mini timmaraju charlie sykes. thank you for spending time with us. molly sticks around for the rest of the hour when we come back. the authors of a brand new book about the historic levels of dysfunction in congress, its title says it all, mad house how donald trump maga mean girls, a former used car salesman, a florida nepo baby and a man with rats in his walls broke congress. new york times reporters luke broadwater and annie karni are the authors, and annie karni are the authors, and they'll be our guests next. tamra, izzy and emma... they respond to emails with phone-calls... and they don't "circle back" they're already there. they wear business sneakers

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very well today, in fact, so well that i believe it's incumbent upon this committee to confirm you asap. >> how many push ups can you do? >> i did five sets of 47 this morning. >> that really happened. i speak personally, it's hard to watch the shameless show of support and admiration from republican senators this week for one of donald trump's least qualified cabinet picks, heavy on the flattery and the jokes, and seriously lacking in any questions just about allegations of sexual assault. but grave, grave mistakes on the management side of the things he's run. it's also the latest example of congress's dysfunction, which is now out in public view, and its extreme members and the cult like following. it's the subject that our friends from the new york times, lukeew book. the bos

called madhouse how donald trump maga mean girls, a former used car salesman, a florida nepo baby and a man with rats in his walls broke congress. luke broadwater and annie kearney are with us now. so, luke, you got to first tell me who's who. take me through the title. >> well, we really want people to buy the book so they can they can find out some of these for themselves. >> but throughout the book, we do spend a lot of time with certain members of congress. and you will see as you read it who exactly each each person is that's described, described in the title. >> but, you know, there's no shortage of infighting, of squabbling, of personal vendettas. >> and you really get to see why congress is so dysfunctional in this book and why the, you know, so-called workhorses of a different generation who are invested in sort of the serious

business of governing, have been replaced by people who want to be on tv all the time, are obsessed with fame and frivolous things, obsessed with impressing donald trump at all times, and not necessarily doing the best thing for keeping the government open or for the american people. >> and we i'm going to try one more time to get nepo baby. i mean, is that matt gaetz? you can give me anything. >> yeah. >> okay. >> so florida nepo baby is matt gaetz. his father, don gaetz, was a very powerful state senator. maga mean girls i'll give you because i think it's fairly self-explanatory. that would be lauren boebert and marjorie taylor greene, who probably hate each other more than they hate the democrats in congress. >> i'm going to keep man with the rats in his walls as a mystery for our readers, and i forget, i still haven't

memorized the whole subtitle myself. >> yeah, i think that one will be will be for the readers. but if someone who is, it's someone who is going to be a main character in the next in the coming year ahead, and how how do you look at this body that is seemingly at war with itself? >> speaker johnson, after hanging on by his fingernails, house congressman turner, no. democrat, no rhino, no liz cheney, really? even simply a republican who spent time at mar a lago a week ago, they made him a cake. they stuck a candle in it, and then they chopped off his head and kicked him off the intel committee. what does that portend? >> i mean, the speaker of the house, one could forget when one sees pictures of, like, mike johnson on the plane with don jr and rfk and trump, and like, part of that crew is the head of

a co-equal branch of government that is separate from the white house. >> that is supposed to be a check that is like an equal, not a member of the entourage, not taking orders from the president. and what we saw with mike turner is someone who was not seen as a trump loyalist. and trump expressed that he didn't want that person to be the head of the intel committee. and so that person is no longer the head of the intel committee. what we've seen, mike johnson, his strategy for survival is to, like, tie himself closely to donald trump and have no qualms with carrying out what the president wants. this is not i mean, he has a one seat majority. he wouldn't have been elected speaker without donald trump's backing. >> so this is his strategy. >> it might be the only way to survive. and frankly, it's not a strategy that there is anyone really pushing back on that.

we've seen the you know, trump's the house of representatives for the past two years has worked as like the first line of defense for donald trump when he was out of office. now he's back. that's only going to be even more the case. >> i want to ask both of you to explain why this matters to us ordinary people. i have to sneak in a quick break first. we'll all be right back. >> for the first 100 days of this new administration, i am going to be here on msnbc at 9 p.m. eastern five nights a week, monday through friday. >> we will watch what they do and not just what they say from now on. >> and for the first 100 days and for the duration. >> but what they are saying thus far, and what they are doing thus far, have both been utterly shambolic. >> and none of us should be afraid to say so. and none of us here are so for these first 100 days, you and i, we are going to spend a lot of time together. >> i wonder if this golf cart has hands free driving.

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matters so much, and i think it became clear this week all the analysis we've heard all week long from journalists and former republicans, former democrats, that the democrats didn't win the week. they didn't successfully stop any of these nominees. these nominees had the votes before the hearings even started. and what's broken might very well be the questions that were asked or the performance. but that's fine. but what seems to be broken is that republicans don't care about qualifications. republicans don't care about fbi investigations into allegations. republicans don't care about the character of the people that will lead the men and women of the military. and it's downhill from there. yeah. >> i mean, so it's funny because we were talking about this book and i was i had been watching the hearings, and bernie merino, who is the used car salesman in the topic, in the title of the book, actually did these hearings today with kristi noem, the homeland security hearings.

and he and he said all this stuff where i was shocked at how craven it was, you know, stuff about like, what did the homeland security secretary under biden kill this girl who had been killed by an immigrant? was it actually his fault? stuff that is not, you know, it's just craven. >> and it turns out we found it on fox news immediately, which i think is ultimately the problem here is they are not doing article two. they are not here to advise and consent. the president and his cabinet picks. they are here to get on fox news. and ultimately that creates a system where these members of the senate and congress become more and more craven. >> luke, ironically, i wanted to ask you if one of the things that emerged from the january 6th investigation was there is some insulation, there is some protection for members. they were hands off for merrick garland, for jack smith, for everyone that looked at january 6th. and i think it's interesting that that hasn't seemed to result in anyone doing

anything closely resembling independence. what do you predict over the coming 2 to 4 years? >> yeah, well, i think, you know, one thing we learned reporting out the book is, is just how bad the state of, of congress is and how everybody seems to acknowledge that when you talk to them in the house, but they don't really see any real way to change it. you know, the 118th congress was, we believe, the first ever really controlled by the maga wing of the republican party in the house. >> this was basically the people who most want to impress donald trump and carry out his agenda. and what resulted was complete chaos. and so now they're they're back again, maybe even stronger. >> and so we're going to see at least two more years of their control. >> and so we really documented in the book what these people are exactly like, what motivates them, what they hope to achieve.

>> and i expect that, you know, the readers will see a lot more of this over the next two years. >> and these are folks who are up for election every two years. their positions, just to start with, on abortion, are not popular at all. hanging out with billionaires traditionally has been very unpopular. i mean, how many of the folks you write about will privately concede political risks to trump? 2.0? >> it's a great question. just quickly, bernie moreno is a former car salesman, but he is not the one in the subtitle. >> that would be former house speaker kevin mccarthy, also a former used car salesman. there's a lot of used car salesmen in congress. but to your question, some of the people we write about, the reason they can act the way they do is because they basically have tenure in congress. marjorie taylor greene can stay there as long as she wants. she's from a blood red district in georgia, and she her antics pull the house to the right and

make other members more vulnerable. >> there are still some, like some republicans, who represent districts that biden won four years ago, who these new york republicans are always on the bubble. and when these maga republicans control what the house does, it puts them in a terrible position to take really hard votes. i would say that if democrats don't succeed in winning back the house next cycle, they've done something very wrong. >> they should be able to do that. >> amazing. >> yeah. it's amazing. but you you've teased us with this title. we're going to keep trying to draw it out of you guys. i can't wait to read the book. you win. best title of not just the year but of the trump era. molly, thank you for being here with me, luke and annie, thank you for joining us. the book is called madhouse how donald trump maga mean girls, a former used car salesman and a

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