on my terms. thanks. medical guardian. >> five foot nine men not included. >> ari melber, signing off. have a great weekend. the reidout with michael steele starts now. >> tonight on the reidout.

>> and so, my fellow americans, ask not what your country can do for you. ask what you can do for your country. >> now, don't expect that kind of soaring rhetoric when donald trump is inaugurated on monday, and because of the cold, it won't be outside like usual. instead, it will be inside the rotunda, not far from where this trump supporter stood four years ago with his stolen pelosi lectern amid the maga desecration of the us capitol. also tonight, the supreme court says it will allow tiktok a tiktok ban to go forward. but that is not the final word, especially with tiktok ceo attending monday's inauguration as trump's guest. plus, president biden's last minute flurry of activity from conservation to clemency and a major new announcement about the

equal rights amendment. i'm michael steele in for joy reid, and we begin tonight with a look ahead to day one of trump 2.0. the biden administration is in its waning days, and in just three days, donald trump will be inaugurated as the 47th president. although the weather in the nation's capital has put a chill on the pomp and circumstance trump was hoping for, today it was announced that the swearing in will be moved indoors because of expected low temperatures, which means that trump will now take the oath of office from inside the capitol rotunda. the exact location where, just four years ago, a violent mob of trump supporters clashed with capitol police. now, despite the small change, one big thing will stay the same. at the stroke of noon monday, the administration of joe biden and kamala harris will end. and the era of donald trump 2.0 will begin. on the campaign

trail, trump made a lot of promises. about what? about what he'll do on day one. >> on day one, i will launch the largest deportation program in american history. >> when i win, i will immediately bring prices down, starting on day one. >> he promised to end birthright citizenship on day one. is that still your plan? >> yeah, absolutely. he says you're not going to be a dictator, are you? i said no, no, no. other than day one, we're closing the border and we're drilling, drilling, drilling. >> living for day one. but the one area he's made clear he plans to make good on his promises is his immigration crackdown. his team has prepared a flood of executive orders starting day one, aimed at launching the process of resurrecting policies from his first term and shredding biden administration immigration policy. many of the executive orders will address his day one maga promises from his presidential campaign, including

closing the southern border, terminating all biden border policies, reinstating the travel ban from his first term, beginning a mass deportation program and ending birthright citizenship. to that end, folks, today, trump's choice for homeland security secretary, south dakota governor kristi noem, faced senators for her confirmation hearing. but one thing she wasn't very clear on is who will be calling the shots on border security. noem, or trump's so-called border czar tom homan, who trump has said will be in charge of the border and has promised deportations, will begin. you guessed it on day one. >> tom and i work very well together and talk and communicate all the time, and we'll be working together on a daily basis when we're in our positions under the new administration. and, and i would say there's no authorities being planned to be taken away from the department or, or myself if i'm in the role. and we'll

continue mixed signals, you can understand how, you know, people in my home state, maybe around the country, when they hear mr. homan saying, i'm making the decisions, when they hear president elect trump say he's in charge of our border. >> joining me now is melissa murray, nyu law professor, msnbc legal analyst and co-host of the strict scrutiny podcast. tara setmayer, former republican communications director and co-founder and ceo of the seneca project. and maria hinojosa, pulitzer prize winning journalist and founder of futuro media. welcome all three ladies. so, melissa, day one. it's going to be a hell of a day. how do you see this unfolding as all of the pomp and circumstance is occurring in the capitol down at the white house? those executive orders, particularly around immigration, are going to be set up and ready for the president, the new president, to sign. what

does that say in terms of the priority for this administration? and what should the american people expect from this day? one explosion of executive orders. >> well, thanks for having me, michael. i think we should take donald trump at his word. >> he's made clear that he plans to use executive authority to get things done on day one. and thanks to the united states supreme court, that executive authority is probably broader than it's ever been in the history of the american presidency. so there's a lot of room to work here with. he's already said that he's going to launch the largest mass deportation in the history of this country. that conflicts a little bit with some of the rhetoric from his campaign, where he talked about deporting first those with criminal records. >> it doesn't really match up on the number of individuals who have criminal records, who are eligible to be deported. >> does not add up to the largest mass deportation in history. so that means you're going to have to find additional people if this is, in fact, going to be a massive and sweeping effort. and i think the

way that happens is we begin to think differently about what constitutes criminal activity relative to those who are here, undocumented or unlawfully. >> and i think just the fact of crossing the border without the necessary papers is a misdemeanor offense, but i think they could think about that as a crime, expand the number of individuals who are here criminally. >> and again, think about those deportations. all of this will require procedural hurdles. there are lots of procedural checks in place, even for deporting those who have criminal records. so this isn't going to be an immediate thing, but i think we're going to see the mechanisms move quite quickly. i also imagine that there will be some efforts to roll back plans that were put in place by the biden administration, certainly on energy, the biden electric vehicle mandate will be rolled back. there will be more drilling. it's all going to be a flurry. and again, all done through executive orders, principally. >> you know, tara, it's the shock and awe of it all. you know, it is the it is the blatant pushing out of a lot of information, sort of setting the

stage narratively, if nothing else, you've got this incredible list of some of trump's day one maga promises ending the war in ukraine. pardon jan six defendants drill, drill, drill, cancel the electric vehicle mandate, implement 25% tariffs on mexico and canada. and then we grabbed canada and make it the 51st state. bring down grocery prices, which trump is now admitting. oh, i don't know if i can do that. close the border in biden era border policies, reinstate travel ban. i mean in d i'd policies ban transgender women from women's sports in gender affirming care practices. they one. what's your assessment of day one as we get ready for monday? >> well people need to be prepared. i mean, i think that this country is about to wake up to a mike tyson level left hook of reality come 1201 january

20th. you know, we've been trying to warn folks about this. we tried during the election. we tried i think that there was a certain failure of being able to communicate this in a way that made people understand what was at stake for them, why it mattered. i think it's become increasingly more clear that this election was really not about the price of eggs, because a lot of these things that donald trump and that list right there, was there anything that was going to help the economic situation for americans in any of those things that was listed the day one priorities? no, not one, because this wasn't about the price of eggs. and for us at the seneca project, we just put out an ad today called get ready because people need to get ready. in this country, there are tens of millions of folks who did not vote for this, who are looking for leadership, who are looking for what to do, how to galvanize, how to organize, because we have to fight back. every single one of us plays a role here. bobby kennedy said that tiny ripples of hope can

create a current that can take down mountains of oppression. that's what we are facing, and that's what we're going to have to do with. this country has faced all kinds of issues in the past, whether it was the abolitionist movement, whether it was the civil rights movement, the suffragist movement for women. and great to hear about the era today. thank you, president biden. but all of those movements didn't happen overnight, and they were all incredibly challenging. and it took the righteous anger of the american people to fight back against the government in ways that was oppressing basic civil rights in this country across the board. so we're about to head into an era in this country that we have not seen before, because the institutions aren't going to save us. the supreme court is not going to save us. no one is going to save us but us. and that is something i think the american people are going to find out very quickly that donald trump doesn't give a damn about them, or the constitution or the rule of law. he cares about himself. he cares about enriching further himself and his billionaire cronies. and

that is not going to do anything to help any normal, regular, everyday folks who voted for him thinking the price of eggs were going to come down. yeah. good luck. let's see how all those things impact that. it's not going to they're going to have a wake up call. >> maria. both melissa and tara really speak to at at the core what joe biden himself sort of leveled up in his farewell address to the nation. let's take a listen to his interview with lawrence o'donnell regarding his concerns about our democracy. >> i really am concerned about how fragile democracy is. i guess what i'm worried about is that the thing that keeps it on track are the guardrails. that's that there's a supreme court that's independent, but not but accountable. there is a congress

that you speak your mind, but you're held accountable to basic standards. there's a presidency that says you have really limited powers. i mean, you're the top dog, but you're not. you can't dictate everything. and i don't know, they seem to just we just seem to be chipping away at all of those elements. >> democracy, fragility, guardrails. maria, the ultimate guardrail is us, we the people. the last point that tara was making you write about this, you are in across the country, in neighborhoods and communities. what do you sense from the american people about this fragility of democracy versus the price of eggs? >> so, michael, in my reporting all of last year, what became clear, right, was that it was about the economy, the economy, the economy, you know, speaking with economists over last year,

they were like, this is a great economy, but people are believing the narrative that they're being told that this is a disastrous economy. it's a disastrous economy. so people were are expecting because they have believed this rhetoric of, i'm going to take care of everything and i will lower the price of eggs. and what we do know is that building detention camps, right, and seeing screaming children who are being taken from their mothers or fathers, all of that is going to have no impact on the question of the economy. >> so i don't think that donald trump is going to have a lot of wiggle room in terms of the time that those voters are going to give him. >> now, you also have to understand that, as melissa was saying, you know, and i've been saying ad nauseam, right. >> if there was the amount of criminality that donald trump and his cohort has been talking about in terms of crime is out of control because of

undocumented immigrants, we would not have an immigration problem, we would have a crime problem, and we don't have a crime problem. >> crime has been falling. >> as per fbi and justice department statistics over the past 30 years. >> so what people are getting ready for is, yeah, it's going to be unleashing we you know, i'm thinking about 2017. >> what happened then the reporting that was coming in of immigration agents going into courthouses and courtrooms denying it. >> and then, of course, it was true. >> we're going to continue to see this. >> the amount of human suffering, michael, is something that all of us are trying to sit with because it's going to be real. >> but also, we all know here that donald trump did not get a mandate. >> this was not an overwhelming victory. he is not going to have this extraordinary amount of love and support that's going to keep him going. while all he's talking about is, you know, undocumented immigrants that are committing crimes. >> and by the way, i don't know, i haven't seen or heard about

any caravans of white men and women flooding into los angeles to help rebuild the city. >> i have not seen those images of white men and women, and i'm being very specific, saying we're going to come in and we're going to take those jobs. that's not what's happening. so we know we're going to be watching in terms of the rebuilding of our dear la, who's actually going to be doing that? and those people will not be deported, because those people will be so underground, so unprotected that they won't be protected. >> they won't be the ones that are being deported. >> all right. >> tara setmayer, maria hinojosa, thank you both so much. really appreciate it. melissa murray, i need you to stick around with us to discuss the possible end of tiktok in america with the supreme court upholding congress's ban on the app unless it's sold to an american owner. but trump has said he wants to save the immensely popular app. what happens next? well, we'll talk

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that the app was a national security threat, something the supreme court agreed with today. by the way, it appears that now a lot of them are saying, well, not so fast. nbc news is reporting that congressional leaders who championed the law are now shying away from calling for the ban to begin on sunday. instead, they said they want to see a delay to allow tiktok's chinese parent company more time to sell the app to a us buyer. even the biden administration says they will not enforce the ban on the president's final day in office, saying given the sheer fact of timing, this administration recognizes that actions to implement the law simply must fall to the next administration, which takes office on monday, which leaves tiktok's fate in the hands of donald trump like a political hot potato. and despite the fact that it was actually trump, okay, it was actually trump who initially led the charge to ban tiktok, even unsuccessfully

trying to ban it himself in his first term. he has since flip flopped on the issue, now signaling that he's willing to save it. melissa murray is back with me, and joining the conversation is ian millhiser, senior correspondent for vox. so, ian, the interesting thing is that trump noted today in a post the supreme court decision was expected and everyone must respect it. my decision on tiktok will be made in the not too distant future, but i must have time to review the situation. stay tuned. he also said that he spoke with xi jinping about tiktok. there are options that trump has. and it was noted in nbc's reporting one of trump's options would be to grant a 90 day extension for tiktok to find an american buyers by citing a provision in the law aimed at forcing a sale. trump could also vow now to enforce the law, but that might not be enough to convince companies that could face legal exposure, such as apple and google. right. so there is this

sort of space. what what what's your assessment of what trump needs to do or potentially could do on monday or beyond? >> so i think there's a bit of a game of chicken going on where well put, you know, not many politicians want to sort of hinted at this in the intro. want to be the one responsible for shutting it down, because there's a lot of influencers and influencers on tiktok. if tiktok is shut down, they're probably going to go somewhere else and then they're going to be mad at those politicians, right? so, like, there's an obvious political reason not to want to be responsible, but the national security concerns here are really serious, like the amount of data that's collected. tiktok could potentially learn where all of its users are, including national security officials, cabinet officials, if they're on tiktok. i mean, it's very alarming. and so i think what the government wants, and this is what they should want, is to convince bytedance, tiktok's parent company, that, yes, we are actually going to shut you down if you don't sell tiktok, get bytedance to sell tiktok,

and then, you know, then tiktok gets to live and it's no longer anyone's problem. but they have to present a credible threat. the government has to present a credible threat for that to happen. and i mean, it is now up to donald trump to show us that that threat is, in fact, credible, so that bytedance might sell the company. >> and there, melissa. therein lies the dance, fight, dance. i see i see what i did there. look, the reality of it is house of representatives. the bill passed 360 to 58. the senate the bill passed 79 to 18, packaged together with foreign aid. so there was an overwhelming energy behind this ban. but this is my question, melissa. either legally or otherwise, this is long out of the gate to, you know, now be concerned about the national security interests and issues related to tiktok. tiktok is it's not like it just started

a year ago. it's been tiktok for a while, and a lot of americans are on it. and the global impact is huge. what does this all mean? i mean, is this just all the politics? or to ian's point, there is this serious legal, constitutional, national security underpinning that's driving this. but it just sounds to me it's a little too late to be worried about what the chinese have gathered on us, because we've been doing tiktok a long time. >> certainly the horse is out of the barn and i will say, michael, as the mother of teenagers, i don't know how to feel about this. i actually might welcome closing down tiktok so my children might read books occasionally. >> but, you know, i think one of the things to really emphasize here about the supreme court's opinion, which does end this legal battle, even as a political battle heats up this court, although it wrote a very narrow opinion, essentially gave the executive, gave congress, gave the federal government

broad deference. >> anytime they signal that there are national security concerns at stake, even in the face of serious first amendment challenges. and as we stand on the precipice of the second trump administration, i think we have to take that seriously, because this opinion, although it has been very narrowly written and it is the court was at great pains to emphasize its narrowness. this opinion and its deference to the federal government in matters involving national security, will be cited again and again by the trump administration as it takes steps to advance its platform and perhaps do so under the guise of national security. so i think that is critically important to remember, even as we think about whether oracle is going to continue serving tiktok by allowing its servers to be used, or whether the android store or the apple store are going to be able to provide updates to the tiktok app, or whether tiktok is going to go dark, or whether bytedance is going to formally divest. that, to me, seems the bigger problem. that's not getting nearly enough attention. >> it's interesting, the points that melissa raised, because it's in line with what we've

heard now from republicans and democrats alike. you've got senator hawley and senator warner reacting to tiktok ceo attending trump's inauguration. let's take a listen. >> what do you think of the tiktok ceo coming to inauguration? >> he's not my favorite thing. >> not not my favorite thing. >> 80% of the congress, democrats and republicans, agreed that tiktok is a huge national security concern. the idea of simply kicking the can and continuing to have this national security issue. >> i don't know how that fits with the rhetoric out of the new administration. >> so, ian, how does this inform donald trump when he says, i you know, i need time to review the situation? i think the situation has already been reviewed for him. what say you, sir? >> i'm about to use some words that i never thought i would use in my entire life, but i agree with josh hawley.

>> there you go. yeah. i mean, i think, as i said, the national security issues here are extraordinarily serious. i share melissa's concern that, like, we don't want the government to be able to say, force. jeff bezos to sell the washington post or like, force msnbc to sell itself to fox news or something like that. but, you know, what the court said is, given the overwhelming national security concerns here, the sheer volume of data that tiktok is collecting on 150, 170 million americans like china can't have access to that. and i will note that in addition to the nine justices, there were three lower court judges who reviewed it. it was a bipartisan panel. 12 judges reviewed the tiktok ban. they were unanimous in saying that this is permissible. you know, one of the lower court judges pointed to the fact that we have been forbidding foreign nationals and foreign companies from owning radio stations since 1912. so this isn't anything new. i think, you know, as i said, melissa's concerns about we don't want this to go any further than this, right, are very apt. but, you know, i agree

with both of the senators that you saw that like, this has been decided, and i hope that donald trump does the right thing here. >> well, hopefully this tiktok drama will inform the congress, house and senate to actually pay a little bit more attention to our social media platforms and how they are governed and govern themselves, beyond just the idea that some foreign interests may have a finger in them. melissa murray and ian millhiser, thank you both for being with us tonight. coming up, a look back at president biden's legacy from clemency to conservation in the final days of his administration. don't go anywhere, folks. >> after my hair started thinning, my dermatologist recommended nutrafol. >> the formulas are clinically tested. >> my hair is much stronger and

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in politics, the president has laid out his legacy in a week long farewell, featuring a series of key speeches and interviews. he's also issuing a number of executive orders, which will be difficult for trump to undo, including increasing social security benefits for millions and banning offshore drilling in most u.s. coastal waters, removing medical debt from credit reports, expanding veteran's benefits, and addressing the long term health problems related to their service. forgiving more student debt. bringing the number of

americans who have had their student debt canceled to over 5 million. imposing trump proof sanctions on russia and negotiating a gaza ceasefire deal. now, earlier today, president biden added to that list by addressing the inequities in federal drug sentencing by commuting the sentences of nearly 2500 people convicted of nonviolent drug crimes who are serving far longer sentences than they would receive today. biden has issued the most pardons and commutations than any other president. it follows biden pushing to stop the use of the death penalty at the federal level by commuting the death sentences of 37 federal prisoners to life in prison without parole. president biden wrote today that he's proud of his record on clemency, and continued to review and will continue to review additional commutations and pardons. nbc news reporting just moments ago that biden is expected to issue more pardons before leaving

office on monday, meaning there's still time and hope for those wrongly convicted and seeking clemency, including marilyn mosby, whose case joy has profiled extensively on this show. joining me now is congresswoman ayanna pressley of massachusetts. congressman, very good to see you. this has just been a whirlwind at the end of an era for joe biden in public service, the end of his presidency. and he's he's made it very clear he wants to make a statement, not just in the big things, but in the small things that impact a lot of people. what's your sense of the president's desire at this moment to clarify, for the american people, the value of, you know, making sure there's equality under law, that there are opportunities for those who want it and for those who've been wrongly jailed,

incarcerated, or where the sentences are out of line. let's fix that, too. how do you assess the end of this era for joe biden? >> michael, when you have the power, you have to use it, and president biden has the power, he and he alone has the power of clemency, and he recognizes that it is a life changing, transformative tool. and so i commend him for acting boldly because there are so many systemic injustices resulting in a mass incarceration crisis. the war on drugs policies which have contributed to that mass incarceration crisis, and a broken clemency system which has thousands of people whose lives are in limbo. so i commend president biden for acting boldly. this most recent action, these 2500 individuals who will be reunited with their families, it's life changing. >> it is life changing. and i

think it really goes to the heart of one of the one of the aspects of this that joy herself has focused on and leveled up as part of the national conversation. and that is marilyn mosby out of baltimore. and her situation a lot, a lot of activists have have been very clear in trying to resurrect the opportunity for her to get clemency. how do you see that? do you support efforts like that? i mean, there's still the weekend and the last day up until 12 noon for that to happen. how do you see a case like marilyn mosby concluding, do you think there's a real opportunity? do you advocate for something like that? >> absolutely. again, the president has acted boldly, i commend him. this is a matter of rooting out systemic injustices. this is a matter of doing the right thing. it is a matter of his legacy. and so i certainly support clemency for marilyn mosby. and i have to say, boston

was her first home, you know, so we claim her. she was raised here in my district. so i support clemency for marilyn mosby. i also support clemency for michelle west. you know, a woman who, like many others, is incarcerated for the crimes of her abuser. i also support charles ellis, another person from my district, the ma seventh, who has had ineffective counsel when he committed a crime at 19. i also support ismael lira, someone who was sentenced to life in prison for a nonviolent cannabis charge. so the president has acted boldly with those 39 pardons, with those 1500 sentences commuted, with the 37 folks on death row whose sentences have been commuted tlife without parole. and he acted boldly today with the announcement, the most of any president in our history of 2500 individuals who will now be reunited with their families. and so i encourage him to

continue to act, because this is a matter of legacy. >> yeah, it is, congresswoman. and speaking of that legacy, another bold action by the president was a statement on the on the equal rights amendment, where he notes, i affirm what i believe and what three fourths of the states have ratified the 28th amendment is the law of the land guaranteeing all americans equal rights and protections under the law, regardless of their sex? well, that's going to turn some heads around and set on fire. how do you see the boldness of that as sort of almost an exclamation point on his presidency and his legacy? >> equal rights under the law shall not be denied or abridged by the united states or any state on account of sex. what is so controversial about that? i cannot believe that we have been organizing for over a century to enshrine gender equality in our

constitution. how incredibly demoralizing for the women of this country. i think of my 16 year old daughter, cora, who i fear if without the president's bold declaration and affirmative statement today and the and the archivist swiftly publishing the era in response to the president's bold declaration today that my daughter will grow up and continue to conflate the many gender inequities and harm that come to girls and women as a normal part of her existence a wage gap, a denial of reproductive rights and freedom, a gender based violence. and i could go on. so what president biden has done here, this is a victory. it's a victory. both the actions on clemency and the era. i'm grateful to president biden and i'm grateful to the movement on this doctor king holiday weekend, doctor king reminded us that our most powerful weapon is that of organizing, and we have organized. and so this is a bold, historic step in the right direction. and i urge the archivist to act swiftly. the

women of this country have done their job. states have done their job. and with this bold declaration from president biden, it is a victory and a bold step in the right direction as we walk into the headwinds of a hostile administration, it is especially important to guard and protect the rights of girls and women and the lgbtq community. >> all right. congresswoman ayanna pressley, thank you so much as always. good to see you. coming up, the confirmation hearings of trump loyalists who won't hold him accountable, continue with south dakota governor, homeland security nominee kristi noem pushing the revisionist history that trump didn't have a family separation policy. really? okay, we'll talk about it next. machine learning is advancing, but businesses wonder if some machines can keep up. >> let's welcome our new coworker, jeff. >> copier has a great idea. >> i wonder if it's the same idea as yesterday.

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controversial picks tulsi gabbard as director of national intelligence and kash patel as fbi director, do not yet have a date for their confirmation hearings. in gabbard's case, republican senator john barrasso claims that her hearing has been held up by a, quote, paperwork problem with the office of government ethics. i'm joined now by rick tyler, msnbc political analyst, republican strategist and co-founder of foundry road, and alysia johnson, former biden-harris 2020 senior advisor and founder of 1063 west broad and author of the upcoming book. we're looking forward to this one. we're going to flip the tables with alicia. welcome, both of you. so, you know, i love that barrasso comment at the end, rick, talking about, well, her confirmation being held up by the paperwork. i think it's probably what the paper is saying. it could be the problem.

what do you think, my friend? well, i think i agree. >> i agree with you. >> i mean, people are held up by paperwork. >> they get held up by its contents. right, exactly. >> and i'm sure some intrepid reporter will figure out what that contents are and explain it. >> exactly. >> just just to throw that out there. that's held up by paperwork. just going to raise all kinds of questions. >> look, trump's nominees have all kinds of problems and challenges. this is clearly not what one would regard as the first string. and maybe the third string. there are a lot of people here. look, when people come to administration, granted they they want a governor is not going to have national security experience. that's a given. >> right? that happens. >> but when the question is, are we going to follow the constitution? >> are we going to follow loyalty to the trump? i think that's a pretty clear answer to that question. >> and we ought to we ought to offer a clear answer to that question. and the president elect should support the answer to that question. we don't support loyalty to a person. we

support loyalty to the constitution. nobody swears an oath to donald trump or even the presidency. they swear an oath to uphold the constitution. >> the interesting thing sticking with the upcoming nominees, the more interesting i mean, you got kash patel and tulsi for sure, but then there's rfk jr. >> oh my goodness, i love that reaction folks. >> that was it was great. it was like oh my goodness. so you have headlines today that kennedy sought to stop covid vaccination. six months after the rollout of the covid vaccine. he petitioned the fda to revoke authorization of the shots at a time when they were in high demand, where people were dying, literally. and folks were seeking help. what does this say? i mean, how, you know, the general thinking is that these nominees will largely with all of their baggage and hiccups, make it through. but something like this, i think, just kind of rings wrong with

the american people that here we are at that time in a life or death situation and you're saying, no, we don't want to bring the help, you know, stop the vaccine. so if you're now the secretary of health, kind of makes you wonder what what if there's another crisis, what that could be like? >> yeah. i mean, you speak to if there's another crisis, i mean, we could potentially go into another pandemic, depending on whether or not we keep some things that we thought were eradicated or at least kept the people at the department of health and human services that work on these vaccines. and this research from administration to administration. the scary piece about this rfk jr piece, in addition to his conspiracy theories and how he has been meddling in different states and places when it comes to their vaccinations, is the fact that there are some republicans in office who don't believe in all of this, but to the point you all were making earlier about this loyalty to trump. for some reason, every single person in the republican party, all the

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time to play. who won the week. now back with me are rick tyler and alysia johnson. rick, who won the week? >> tiktok won the week. >> the reason tiktok won the week is because they're going to go on the chinese government call the bluff when all the way. and it turns out their propaganda and their influence goes way beyond the people that are following tiktok. it goes right to the top, because donald trump has now made it look like he's going to keep tiktok and they probably will win. and this is not a free speech issue. nobody should be confused. nobody's banning tiktok. tiktok has had years to fix this and to get divested so people can keep tiktok. but they didn't do it, so tiktok wins. >> there you go, valencia. >> michelle obama won the wall because she is standing on she's she is standing on business. and the way that man has treated the obamas, i would not show up at inauguration either. and it's

not a double standard because ding ding, donald trump didn't go to president biden's inauguration. so kudos to michelle obama for standing on business for all the black women. >> there you go, standing over there with that last part about donald trump not showing up. yeah, that that that part. my pick is youth taking action. like 14 year old avery colbert, who lost her middle school in the eaton fire. she has started a donation drive for wildfire victims called alta alta. altadena girls, i'm sorry, which has now gone viral. these young people are rallying together to provide new clothing, hygiene and beauty products, among so many other items. this is the youth led organizing spirit. we love to see folks. and you know what? we're going to need a lot of it going forward. lindsey johnson and rick tyler, thank you. that's all we got tonight for reidout you can see me, alicia menendez and symone sanders. townsend on the weekend. yep. starting tomorrow saturday, bernice king