go to president biden's inauguration. so kudos to michelle obama for standing on business for all the black women. >> there you go, standing over there with that last part about donald trump not showing up. yeah, that that that part. my pick is youth taking action. like 14 year old avery colbert, who lost her middle school in the eaton fire. she has started a donation drive for wildfire victims called alta alta. altadena girls, i'm sorry, which has now gone viral. these young people are rallying together to provide new clothing, hygiene and beauty products, among so many other items. this is the youth led organizing spirit. we love to see folks. and you know what? we're going to need a lot of it going forward. lindsey johnson and rick tyler, thank you. that's all we got tonight for reidout you can see me, alicia menendez and symone sanders. townsend on the weekend. yep. starting tomorrow saturday, bernice king joins our

conversation. and on sunday we'll talk to senator kirsten. kirsten gillibrand. that's starting at 8 a.m. eastern both saturday and sunday. and on sunday night, we will be with you for special hour ahead of inauguration day. that's at 9 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. all in with chris hayes starts right now. >> tonight on all in. >> we begin with the supreme court issuing a unanimous ruling, clearing the way for tiktok to be banned in the u.s. starting on sunday. >> welcome to the new trump era. >> i could have banned tiktok. i had it banned just about i could have gotten it done. frankly, there are a lot of people on tiktok that love it. >> how today's tiktok decision benefits the looming trump oligarchy i want to thank president trump for his commitment to work with us to find a solution that keeps tiktok available in the united states. then, as the

inauguration moves inside, trump plans for day one and the resistance planning to challenge him. >> he says, you're not going to be a dictator, are you? >> i said, no, no, no, other than day one. >> plus, new reporting on rfk jr and his attempt to ban the covid vaccine and the politicization of devastating wildfires with outright lies from republicans. >> california is a disaster. those same people weren't concerned about the people in north carolina or the people in florida who we've tried to help when all in starts right now. >> good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. if you have any lingering doubts that given a choice between serving your interests and serving himself, donald trump will always choose the latter. i've got the perfect example of that for you. and it unfolded today, starting with the supreme court decision that touches on national security and freedom of speech, a decision that tees up a big opportunity for the incoming administration and its emerging alliance with big tech billionaires. today, as you might have seen, the high

court unanimously let stand a bipartisan law passed last year signed by president biden, requiring the chinese owned parent company that owns tiktok, the popular social video app, to either sell its stake or face a ban in the united states. that ban would go into effect this sunday. the justices who, by the way, handled this case very, very quickly in a matter of days so they can rush when they want to. the justices all agreed that tiktok's chinese ownership meant, at least in theory, that it was a national security threat, as the government has argued, because it could share critical data about its users with the chinese government. now, there was never any real political upside to banning tiktok. to be clear, it's one of those issues where the voters who care the most are the app's users, of whom there are millions who don't want to see the app go away. and everyone else might have feelings one way or the other, but they're not really going to get worked up about it. but the way this saga has unfolded has ended up being

this bizarre bonanza for trump, who is now going to dictate the policy unilaterally, or ditch it. and it's a microcosm of everything you can expect from this next trump presidency. so it's worth recalling how he got here, okay, because it's a weird story, starting four years ago with a call to ban tiktok from then president donald trump. >> we're looking at tiktok. we may be banning tiktok. we may be doing some other things. >> there are a couple of options, but a lot of things are happening, so we'll see what happens. >> but we are looking at a lot of alternatives. with respect to tiktok. >> that was july 2020, and i want you to try to remember what life was like at that moment. we are, of course, in the middle of an election year and a pandemic that trump was bungling badly and importantly, blaming china for. it's easy to forget the racism that permeated republican rhetoric, but that was how this started politically. it continued that way among some of the more xenophobic republicans,

like senator tom cotton, in this notorious exchange with tiktok ceo last year. >> so you said today, as you often say, that you live in singapore. >> of what nation are you a citizen? >> singapore. >> are you a citizen of any other nation? >> no, senator. >> have you ever applied for chinese citizenship? >> senator, i served my nation in singapore. no, i did not. >> have you ever been a member of the chinese communist party? >> senator? i'm singaporean. no. >> have you ever been associated or affiliated with the chinese communist party? >> no. senator. again, i'm singaporean. >> in august of 2020, trump signed an executive order to ban tiktok if its chinese parent company didn't sell it to a non-chinese buyer within 45 days, saying, quote, these risks are real. the government of india recently banned the use of tiktok, which is true, by the way. the united states must take aggressive action against the owners of tiktok to protect our national security. okay, now. so this sort of was born in the cauldron of this kind of anti-china fervor, right?

skepticism and anger at china and the politics of that which trump was happy to wield in the midst of a pandemic. he was bungling because he wanted to blame china. now, that's one part of it. it should be said that beyond the maga china bashing rhetoric, the security concerns around tiktok were real and bipartisan, as i said. india banned the app for basically the same reason while trump was banging this drum in 2020. democrats and the biden campaign were telling their own people to just avoid the app over its data privacy. but you might wonder how trump went from saying these risks are real and signing executive order to ban tiktok in 2020, to saying this last year, i could have banned tiktok. >> i had it banned just about i could have gotten it done. >> but i said, you know what? >> but i'll leave it up to you. i didn't push him too hard. frankly, there are a lot of people on tiktok that love it. there are a lot of young kids on tiktok who who will go crazy without it. there are a lot of users. there's, you know, a lot

of good and there's a lot of bad with tiktok. but the thing i don't like is that without tiktok, you can make facebook bigger. and i consider facebook to be an enemy of the people. >> are you see what's happening here? right? all of a sudden, trump wanted to ban tiktok. now he likes tiktok, but he hated facebook. why the flip flop? well, who can say? but it might have had something to do with trump's march 2024 meeting with billionaire investor jeff yass, a republican mega-donor who happens to hold a big stake in tiktok's parent company. after that meeting, trump came out against a tiktok ban. like, i think it was the next day, maybe after they met something like that. and yes, not only contributed tens of millions to republicans, he also became the biggest institutional investor in the shell corporation that merged with trump's own social media company and took it public, a move that helped rapidly grow trump's net worth. now, at the same time, trump's original ban had stalled in the courts. and last year, again, republicans and democrats in congress joined together in an

election year, mind you, to pass their own ban of tiktok. it passed overwhelmingly as part of that foreign aid package to ukraine. israel the president of the united states, joe biden, signed it into law. that is what the supreme court upheld today. so the law's bad side, it's going to go into effect. it can on sunday. but now apparently, we're going to end up with basically the worst of all worlds, a pending social media ban that is unpopular among its users, and also civil libertarians, protected by a new supreme court decision that could potentially hand future administrations broad power to crack down on free speech by citing national security concerns. so what is the president, joe biden, for another few days? think about all that now. a reporter asked him today, what's your take on the tiktok decision today, sir? >> well, vice president anyway, so i think it will work. >> the decision will be made by trump. so now it's all just passed over to trump. weirdly, unilaterally. like he can enforce the law or not. he can

stop it or not. what will trump do? well, he will absolutely take the golden opportunity that was just given to him to walk in and act like the savior of tiktok as his incoming national security advisor mike waltz told fox today. >> we will put measures in place to keep tiktok from going dark in. the legislation allows for an extension as long as a viable deal is on the table. and then, you know, essentially that buys president trump. time to keep tiktok going. it's been a great platform for him and his campaign to get his america first message out. but at the same time, he wants to protect their data. >> do you see how this works? right before he was against tiktok because he was mad at the chinese, then he was for tiktok. is it banning tiktok? might hurt facebook and that was his enemy. but now his message is getting out to tiktok. so he likes tiktok. like none of this has anything to do whatsoever with

any actual national security concern or policy merit, right? just a man of the people giving them what they want. a man of the people who loves how his posts are doing on tiktok, and whose personal wealth is buoyed by a major tiktok investor. and it was invited tiktok ceo to sit in a position of honor on the dais at his inauguration, alongside former presidents and dignitaries. that ceo today. surprise, surprise got on tiktok to kiss the ring. >> on behalf of everyone at tiktok and all our users across the country, i want to thank president trump for his commitment to work with us to find a solution that keeps tiktok available in the united states, so democratic lawmakers, including the president, pursued this ban again against political headwinds purely because they had a genuine good faith set of substantive beliefs about the merits of the policy. >> right. they really did. there's no other reason they were convinced this was a national security threat. whether they're right or not, i still can't say. but they did this purely for a substantive commitment. they believed it was good legislation, and they did

it in an election year, and now it's incurring a backlash. and they are passing the power to save tiktok off to donald trump, who initiated the whole process so he can ride in and save the day and the interests of a big donor. and what is saving tiktok look like? well, maybe handing it over to an american buyer like co-president elon musk or new maga friend mark zuckerberg, who does not like his sites having to compete with another social site. he really wants tiktok banned, right? because it helps instagram. and guess what? they'll both be at the inauguration, along with the tiktok ceo, right? or maybe trump will just not enforce the ban. maybe he'll come to an understanding with the chinese. probably worth noting. just hours before the supreme court ruling, trump was on the phone with chinese leader xi jinping talking about trade and tiktok. so he's got everyone sitting there like, what's he going to do? well, the one thing we know is that the ultimate decision trump will make about tiktok will not be at all. won't even pretend to be, frankly, about what's best for you or what's best for the country. it will be

about what's best for donald trump. that's all that matters. this is the politics of dictatorships and kings. it's not the politics of a democracy. congressman lloyd doggett is a democrat of texas. he voted to ban tiktok last march, and he joins me now. congressman, i really have to confess confusion about how we ended up here, particularly with the sort of scramble at the end that there's no buyer the extension to the decision of the trump administration, when my understanding was bytedance and the chinese government said all along that they're not going to sell. so this seemed like entirely foreseeable. >> well, chris, you summarized it as usual. >> so very well. donald trump was so strong back in august 2020 against tiktok. he bragged in april of 2022 that it was only rhinos and democrats that were standing in the way, and even they had finally realized

the wisdom of his decision to ban tiktok. i took this vote very seriously, as i know a number of my colleagues do. i have a presence on tiktok, a big office here in austin, my home town. many young people really enjoy tiktok. businesses depend on it. so it was a challenging vote. but the information that we got about the national security threat of a company owned by a company whose first responsibility under chinese law is to the chinese communist party, and all the data that they could get convinced me we needed to do it. and as your ample explanation of the history of this demonstrates, my concern is we will just see more of this, whether it's trump's interest in turkey or in the middle east or wherever, his family can negotiate a new deal. most president with putin, a war criminal that he is, he seems to be one of the few people in the world that trump hasn't had reason to criticize. so it's all

about trump. and of course, you use the term oligarchs, and that's what we have surrounding trump, including this one oligarch who contributed $46 million this year to various right wing causes and pacs and may have had a hand, as you said, in changing trump's mind and attitude about the security threat and being more concerned about the security of himself and his family financially and politically. these are the same oligarchs that i see there in washington, driving the republican party and trump to rewrite our tax law and provide even more tax breaks for themselves at the expense of working families and small businesses. >> so i just want to zero in on how you saw this vote, because i think i want to sort of bracket two things. i personally, and i've covered this a fair amount. i've talked to a bunch of people. i still remain a bit torn, like, i don't know which way i would have voted if i were in congress or what. my feeling

is right. and part of that, i think, has to do with i haven't been briefed by the same national security folks that you have been who i think make a case. ■sometime i think under classified auspices that might be different. all of that said, your understanding of this vote was that there wasn't a ton of political upside. in fact, there was probably downside. but you became convinced that it was worth the political hit to vote for it because you actually think substantively it represents a threat that that was your calculation, basically. >> is that precisely? even knowing that i had constituents that were employees of tiktok here in austin troubling to have to cast that vote, but it seemed like in the national interest, and that's what we're called upon to do. >> so now you've got a situation where this totally. so that's and i've followed you for a long time, and i take you at your word. right. that's a good faith calculation that you made. sometimes members of congress take tough votes. sometimes they put what they believe above what, you know, the political consequences. but now you got trump. and it's this crazy situation where the law gives him a lot of leeway. he's sitting up there and it's like on one side is the tiktok ceo. and he's going to, you know, be

at the inauguration and lord knows what promises he's making or the chinese government's making. and then there's zuckerberg, who's flying back and forth to mar-a-lago, who who very much wants tiktok banned. it's been pretty clear about that. it would be a huge boon for his business. and the question of like, which oligarch and which one emerges to me seems like it likely is not going to have a lot to do with the sort of calculations you were making in good faith about what's best for the country. >> indeed, little or nothing. because trump is all about trump, and he is willing to abandon anyone who supported him if it's in trump's interest. and i don't know which choice he will make. but i'm sure if he can find a way to play off the two against each other and maximize the benefit to trump, that's what he'll be doing. >> so here's here's one question for you. there are members of congress, republicans, who were wound up about this issue and did seem to care. i mean, it was it was their crusade. remember, this passed under mike johnson's house speakership. it was

stewarded by republican leadership. it was a priority for republican leadership. is everyone going to roll over? if he just says, i take it back, i kind of like, i like this bytedance ceo now, i hope not. >> but as you know, speaker johnson has earned frequent flier miles going back and forth to mar-a-lago to get his instructions about what happens. his speakership hangs by a thread totally dependent on donald trump. i can't see him exercising any independent authority. and whether enough of our colleagues, you know, i'm not encouraged by the way the senate has rubber stamped his appointees. and so we it remains to be seen, but we need additional briefings from the cia and others on the threat from this company. and i hope that our republican colleagues will listen and evaluate them and act accordingly, and not let donald trump pull all the strings in the house and senate. >> i the phrase comes to my mind, and obviously we've all

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times is reporting on how donald trump is going to implement his right wing agenda on day one, including plans from that guy, stephen miller, trump's incoming deputy chief of staff, to use a flood the zone strategy, overwhelming what they see as demoralized democrats, the media, civil rights groups and portions of the federal bureaucracy with a blitz of activity. some of the things trump promises to do immediately include declaring an end to birthright citizenship, which is plainly in the constitution. they can't do that. actually. pardoning the january 6th defendants and gender affirming care practices, and beginning a mass deportation program that could start as early as tuesday, according to nbc news reporting. in response, one group of former biden-harris officials is launching their own resistance against trump. the group called democracy forward, which started as a national legal organization in 2017. yesterday, they announced their new effort, focusing on trump's executive orders and supporting legal and political challenges to his agenda. now, the question to me is how will civil society react to what trump does right out of the gate? and how much will people come together to push

back? joining me now is skye perryman, president and ceo of democracy forward, and michelle goldberg, new york times opinion columnist. skye, let me just start with you and tell me about how your group is thinking about the first day, the first few days of this administration, what you're preparing to do. >> the president elect and his associates have been quite clear that they do intend to flood the zone. and so we are standing ready. we know these executive orders, the executive action that you'll see will both be extreme and will be out of touch with every single american. these are orders that will raise costs. they will target people and communities, and they're really out of step with american values. our organization, democracy forward, is working with so many others to be able to read and respond to the executive orders as early as day one. you can learn more about those executive order efforts at democracy 2020 5.org, where we are going to be putting up

information for all of the american people to understand what's in this flood the zone effort and how civil society is responding. and there will be responses. >> well, let me ask you this, michelle, something i've been wrestling with is, i think because trump won, people have retroactively and gone back and been like the resistance stuff was a failure. but i remember going watching people flood to airports. >> yeah, i went to the airport with my daughter on my shoulders and, and people coming out outside of courts. >> and when they started to implement the travel ban and it was just like very like stupid and incompetent policy that was just like getting people were landing in airports and they didn't realize they had to go back to their country and all this stuff. and i don't think that stuff didn't work. i mean, i think a lot of that stuff worked, and i'm worried that people are not down to do it again, even though i do think it was successful the first time. >> right. i mean, i think you're never going to be totally successful, but they definitely they were able to postpone things. >> they were able to end things

that were particularly ugly and draconian, like family separation. they were able to i mean, right now trump has this weird kind of illusion that he has. >> i mean, he obviously has a mandate. >> he won the election, he won the popular vote, but he's not popular. he's not even more popular than he was in 2016. >> right? >> so he is. >> but there's this aura around him that then there's this been this huge vibe shift and there's this tremendous demoralization among the left and also just exhaustion. >> and so it's not clear if these executive orders are going to be what it takes to kind of snap people back into attention and activism. >> but but something is going to happen. i think that that will. >> i agree with that. just on your point about the approval rating, this struck me. marist had a poll out today. he's five points underwater in favorability, which is basically where he's been for a long time. it essentially matches 2016. at this exact point, i was shocked to see this. i really did, because there has been so much of this conjuring. you know, we're watching all these

billionaires run around and we're watching all the takes about how this time, celebrities performing at the inauguration. >> and there is i mean, look, there is something there. >> there was movement towards towards trump among absolutely most demographics among young people. that's all a real thing, but not a colossus, but nevertheless. >> right. this was not a landslide. >> this was not, you know, kind of reagan. >> this wasn't even really george w bush in in 2004. >> sky, when you talk about being ready and keeping people apprized, i mean, one thing is, is just filing injunctions or temporary restraining orders or going to court to block stuff. i mean, something like, for instance, unilaterally repealing birthright citizenship, which is in the constitution since the 14th amendment was ratified in the wake of the civil war, is uncontroversial, except for a small group of cranks, which you never know. there might be a lot of votes in the supreme court for a small group of cranks. like what is that a legal strategy to get into court as quick as possible and just fight this stuff?

>> absolutely. >> last time, the trump administration lost a lot more than they won in court. nearly 80% of the time at various points of the administration, were they losing in court because they operate so unlawfully and in a way that is out of step with people and communities throughout this country. at democracy forward, along with so many hundreds of organizations, people are geared up. they are ready. if this administration harms people and operates unlawfully, you will see us and so many others in court. >> there is the question, too, about the sort of mass deportation, you know, going into effect very quickly. and there's all this reporting. we have some reporting that they they want to make a show of it. i mean, the whole point of this, right, is to is to do big, showy raids. these raids are extremely expensive. they're incredibly inefficient. like they don't make any sense bureaucratically. they don't really make sense policy wise. but they want to demonstrate this for the american people early on.

>> you know, it's interesting because whenever i write that we should take trump seriously about various things that he says he's going to do. >> i get two kinds of emails from his supporters. >> one is like, of course, you idiot, he's going to do it all. and the other is obviously he's just bluffing. like, how stupid are you to take this seriously? and so one of these two groups is going to find themselves either disappointed or sort of confused by what starts happening. >> and i think that there's a lot of people who did not who didn't take mass deportation seriously, in part because i think they don't understand why it didn't happen during his first term. >> they were like, well, he never did it. then, you know, all the people who thwarted him then or not all of them, but a lot of them are gone now. >> and so he has much more leeway. >> and so there's reason to believe that it could be far more draconian this time than it was last time. but there's a lot of people, i think, who just aren't expecting that. >> yeah. and i think that the other thing thing here about that sort of they're they're smelling some weakness of demoralization. and sky,

obviously your group is sort of prepared for that moment. but i guess the question is like it's more than lawyers. right. and this is the thing we i think we learned the first time, like lawyers, citizens, people actually going into the streets or, or or expressing their dismay, calling their members of congress, whatever it is, through the mechanisms of civil society and the performance of democratic citizenship in groups to say, like, we do not abide this. >> absolutely. i mean, remember last time he entered the presidency, said that he was going to overturn the affordable care act, was unable to do that because it was unpopular when he thought he had the votes. and, of course, in court there, you saw many people and communities and groups across the country be able to take him to court, take the administration to court, challenge the unlawful behavior, challenge the attempts which we will see again to hide, to hide things from the american people,

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me now. senator, obviously, we've known rfk position, rfk junior's position on this. this is new news that this petition actually happened. we've got global estimates that in that first year, the vaccines saved the lives of about 19 million people. what do you think this says about his qualifications to be the head of hhs? >> well, it only reinforces all of the doubts that have already existed about his candidacy. >> he's questioned the vaccine for polio. he's questioned the vaccine for measles. >> and by inference, it also is mumps. and all of the other diseases in our country and around the world that in the past two generations, if they haven't been completely eradicated, they've just been reduced down to a dramatically lower number each year. >> that affects families in our country and around the world. >> and what robert f kennedy jr has done is that he is putting a cloud over vaccines.

>> he's allowing for doubts to be raised in families minds as to whether or not they should be vaccinated. >> the covid vaccine, if it had not actually been distributed, would have would have led to another 800,000 deaths in our country. and here he had a petition to stop the distribution of the vaccine. so from my perspective, this is just one further reason why 75 nobel prize winners have come out in opposition to robert f kennedy's confirmation as the top health official in our country. and it's why this is going to be one of the most important confirmation hearings that we have had in a generation in the united states senate. >> just to stay with this for a second, i mean, you talk about polio and other things. i mean, one of the things that's so wild to me about this is that we

actually we lived through this with covid. like, we got to like, people couldn't leave their homes. we were all inside. it was killing thousands of people a day. and the vaccine, the country got vaccinated enough that we didn't have that anymore, more or less. so here's my question to you in a technical sense. i mean, if he were the head of hhs and we had another pandemic, which i know no one wants to think about that, but 100% could happen. like he would have the power to do things that would stop the development of vaccines for that, that virus, stop the deployment. like he would have very real power to make it impossible to vaccinate people. right? >> i'm not predicting this, but if for the sake of this discussion, it was a bird flu pandemic that broke out in our country and we needed a vaccine and we needed it to be distributed, we would need a secretary of hhs that was leading the charge. yes, that was out in front and recommending to people, especially those who might be in

the most vulnerable communities, that they take the vaccine. and instead, based upon his past history, i think it's pretty clear that he would not be doing that. in fact, he'd be raising questions about the safety and efficacy of that vaccine, which would be very dangerous to the communities, which could be potentially threatened. >> that that petition we mentioned before claimed the risks of the vaccines outweighed the benefits, that vaccines weren't necessary because good treatments were available, including ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine, which subsequently, through multiple studies, has shown to be not at all effective at all. and he had already been deemed ineffective against the virus at the time. in 2021, there's been subsequent data, so this is just essentially nonsense. you are. yeah. go ahead. >> i said he's moving us away from acceptance of vaccines, acceptance of fluoridation as a part of the health care culture in our country, and, by the way, distracting us from what the real agenda of the republican party is, which is to loot

medicaid, to loot the affordable care act and all of the health care programs for ordinary families, for poor families in our country to pay for the tax breaks of his billionaire buddies down in mar-a-lago. that's what we should be debating, not the efficacy of vaccines. and that's really at the heart of the problem of this kennedy nomination. we are being distracted from the real issues and the real agenda of the republican party once again, which is to pay for the billionaire tax cuts at the expense of the programs, especially the health care programs, which the republicans have always harbored an ancient animosity towards. and to then use that money for the tax breaks for the rich. >> so it's just absolutely the oldest republican playbook. >> and unfortunately, robert f kennedy not only helps to distract from that agenda, but he also advances a dangerous agenda for our country, which would further endanger the

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democrats in order to justify it. >> shouldn't we insist on some changes in the policies of california? >> california is a disaster. those same people weren't concerned about the people in north carolina, or the people in florida who we've tried to help. >> so it's really important, though. >> and they caused this problem. >> they caused this problem, and they weren't concerned about the people in florida and north carolina. we tried to help. if it's a really toxic lie, like a really kind of despicable thing to say, the idea that democrats spit on the people of north carolina and florida, they don't help folks in red states during disasters. it's also ludicrously, provably false, right? i mean, we were just here. i was sitting at this desk just a month ago. do you remember this when, at the urging of the democratic president, united states joe biden, there was a bipartisan spending bill that contained $110 billion for the people of florida and north carolina and everyone else affected by hurricanes milton and helene. and then republicans, not

democrats. republicans bowed to pressure from elon musk and tried to kill that bill that contained the disaster funding for florida and north carolina. now, in the end, it finally passed with 366 bipartisan yeas and 34 nays, all coming from republicans. joining me now is democratic congressman ro khanna of california. congressman, obviously you don't represent southern california. you're up in northern california. but there's been a lot of scorn directed at the all the residents of your state and an idea that if the state wants disaster relief, it's going to have to make changes to its policies and we'll see if we can get around to it. what do you think, as a californian, as someone who represents californians? >> well, first of all, chris, thank you for actually talking about facts in your monologue. >> i'm glad that still matters. i mean, the reality is the democrats were the ones begging for the $100 billion of disaster relief for georgia, north carolina and those who were hit

by those disasters. >> and it was the republicans who weren't willing to move on that it was hakeem jeffries who was pushing that, saying, how can we leave folks stranded? >> and, you know, we had a california delegation meeting. >> and confidentially, i won't say who. one person stood up and said, well, maybe if they are going to make aid conditional here, we should say we aren't going to vote for aid there. and immediately everyone in the delegation said, absolutely not. we aren't going to make this political, we are going to support aid. and so it's just awful what's going on. i mean, no, never have we politicized disasters in america. >> you are also representative from silicon valley. and i'm just so curious. i had lloyd doggett, who voted for the tiktok legislation. i think you have a different view on this legislation. but since i have you here, and because your district is implicated in this, what what do you make of where

we've ended up and how donald trump is going to essentially, i guess, like unilaterally decide based on who shows him the most goodies or favor. >> well, look, i oppose the tiktok ban i always have with senator markey, and here's why. >> i mean, the app was a vehicle for the free speech of a lot of folks. >> and in my view, it it came under criticism during the gaza war, and there were a lot of people saying things critical of that war. >> but the reality is, i just had a call today with 50 content creators. >> there's a woman, cassy, who talked about her husband, cheated on her. she left four kids, two under the two toddlers, and she relies on this to make a living. and there are millions of people like her are going to be shut down if this app closes. >> so our party, president biden, should put a pause on this, and we shouldn't be the party that's shutting this down. >> well, it looks like there is going to be a pause in it. what do you make of someone as

someone again, someone who represents silicon valley? what do you make of what we are seeing in the flocking of tech billionaires to trump? the who's who that will be standing up at the inauguration? i mean, this isn't like a this doesn't happen with every inauguration. there's a statement being made here. it hasn't been made before. musk's role seems entirely singular. some of these folks are your constituents. i think you know these people. i think pretty well. how do you understand what's going on? >> well, i don't like it. >> i think some of it is a capitulation of fear. >> they think, well, i don't want to get in the way of donald trump and be in his crosshairs. some of it happened in 2016, but it's happening a lot more now. some of it is what happened in the age from 1870 to 1900, where you had the robber barons and big industry, and now you got people who have got a lot of money who are pouring that into into congress. i mean, there are substantive issues that we can discuss, but that's not what's going on here. there is a bowing

to power. and that's not all a silicon valley. look, i won my district with by 35 points. there's still a lot of people in the valley who support immigration, pluralism, climate change. kamala harris but i don't i don't like the fact of what's going on. >> there's a lot of news sort of coming down the pike about what's going to happen next week, including large scale immigration raids since you just mentioned them, possibly in major american cities. we have some reporting this might happen in chicago. you represent a district that has a lot of people who've come here for a bunch of different reasons. and i'm curious what your what your posture is towards what we're likely to see next week and how you're preparing and how democrats are preparing for it. >> first of all, the democrats should stand as a party that still supports the role of immigrants in america. >> i mean, i voted against the lake and riley act because what that act would have done is said we can deport people. if a

sheriff says they've done something wrong without even giving them a trial. i mean, we gave the nazis trials before having convictions. we need to stand for the rule of law, and we need to talk about who a lot of these undocumented people are. i'll just tell you one story. if an undocumented person woman in my district. her daughter is studying to be a doctor. she's been in the country 25 years. she's underpaid as a dental hygienist. she drives down to southern california and back the same day because she can't afford a hotel. and we're we're going to have raids on her. i mean, what are we thinking? and democrats need a spine to talk about being a party which recognizes that immigrants, like my parents, like many others, have contributed to this country and created jobs and build to the contributions of america, not detract from it. >> how? right now, the house leadership, the republican house leadership, is working on their one big, beautiful bill. i'm already seeing some things leak out about it, and it really does

seem like they are going to balance the budget on the backs of all the people that you would expect. >> you're absolutely right. i mean, it's tax breaks for the very wealthy. guess what? who's going to get them? the billionaires and millionaires in my district. so much for the heartland. so much for rural america. i mean, if you want to help silicon valley, you'd like the bill, but nothing to raise the wage. nothing, by the way, to increase the corporate tax rate in mexico or other parts of the world so that we're not offshoring jobs. they're talking about cuts to the department of education cuts and the republican budgets to medicare and social security. and this is why i'm optimistic about the democratic party coming back in 2026. i think their agenda is just a radical agenda. >> congressman ro khanna of california, thank you. that is all in for the week. alex wagner tonight starts right now. good evening alex. >> do you realize this is the last hand off we're going to have for 100 days? >> you know