on it off and on over, you know, 4 or 5 months, basically saying he's going to torture you. >> that's right. he's never going to stop. >> but i have to also say one of the shows for me that was a huge influence on severance is the office, and that's another show that's incredibly simple. >> yeah, brilliant. >> and one set self-contained that they they really are always in corporate culture right now, these huge corporations, you know, this kind of faceless, nameless sort of sometimes ideology of the company, these big companies. >> right. it's weird. >> well, we're out of time for this saturday. and thank you for being with us. we'll be right back here tomorrow morning at 6 a.m. for two new hours of morning joe weekend. until then, enjoy your day. >> good morning. it is saturday,

january 18th. i'm alicia menendez with symone sanders townsend and michael steele today, with plans for mondays and shifting in real time, we look ahead to trump's second term and the unqualified cabinet picks that could lead this country. plus, president biden using his final days in office to warn of an oligarchy that is already taking shape. and with inauguration day landing on martin luther king day, his daughter, doctor bernice king, joins our conversation with a plea to stay vigilant. so grab your coffee. settle in. >> welcome to the weekend. >> in just two days, the new trump era will start with a cold chill. right now, preparations are underway to hold donald trump's second inauguration indoors because of frigid temperatures. crews are now setting up in the capitol rotunda, where trump will take the oath of office on monday. also next week at the capitol,

the senate will continue the confirmation process for donald trump's cabinet, and we are learning more about the people trump has tapped to carry out his agenda during this week's hearings. trump's pick for ag could not bring herself to say that president biden won the 2020 election. his choice for budget director will railed against, quote, weaponized bureaucracies and his homeland security. pick dodged questions about letting trump withhold disaster relief from blue states. joining us now is nbc news white house correspondent. yes, white house correspondent vaughn hillyard. hey, vaughn. >> thank you guys. >> it is. so it is. hey, guys. i know you're a little bit jealous because it got vaughn at the table here in d.c, so i just, you know, what can i say? the brothers are bringing it down. hey, vaughn. it's just a lot of a lot of good stuff happening out on the streets. people excited the buzz for the inauguration. but the backdrop is exactly what symone laid up for us is the confirmation

process where these nominees are being vetted publicly for the first time through questions from senators. and they're basically not saying much. they are largely avoiding answering questions directly and relying on the tactic that, hey, donald trump's the president. and i don't have to really answer your questions anymore because that's how we roll up in here. i give you, for example, kristi noem, with respect to disaster relief for california and the weaponization of that against the citizens of california. let's take a listen. >> i assume you will agree with me that withholding disaster relief by president trump or any other chief executive of the united states is a violation of his duty and of law. >> well, senator, leadership has consequences. >> yes or no? with all due respect, it's an easy what's

happening in california is the ramification of many decisions over many years. >> but under my leadership at the department of homeland security, there will be no political bias to how disaster relief is delivered to the american people. >> president. >> really? >> we'll see. vaughn i mean, what do you how do you assess the way these hearings went this week, going into this inauguration on monday, and really kind of jumpstarting this administration? >> i think the difficult part for these nominees here now, they've made a decision to go before and actually try to go and get these positions and be confirmed. but is the donald trump is on the record on so many of these issues. he is threatened repeatedly to withhold federal funding to californians who have experienced the tragedies of wildfires. and so, kristi noem going there, she is not really under a threat of not being confirmed here. we have not heard a litany of republicans who have come out and suggested that they're going to try to stop and block her. >> there's no matt gaetz.

>> no. and it's not like you saw republicans asking her a tough line of questioning here. and so for kristi noem, it's easy to go and punt on so many of these very serious questions that if she is to be confirmed that she will face in the capacity of dhs secretary. >> republicans during the hegseth confirmation hearing, as as being his heat shield, right, that they decided going in, they weren't going to ask hard questions. they were actually going to form a line of defense around him. what happened in the last few days that some of those holdouts, the joni ernst of the world's, decided that that rather than being an active part of these hearings, they were going to clear the way for a hegseth confirmation. >> there's always a line of politics to this. and in the case of joni ernst, specifically, if we take her at her word, the suggested that she had enough meetings with pete hegseth to become convinced that donald trump should have his man

at the pentagon who he wants. joni ernst also, though, is up for reelection in 2026. kari lake, who folks will maybe recall as being the one individual who ran and lost for governor and senate in arizona over the last three years. she's actually got a trip at the end of this month, next week to west des moines, as somebody had suggested to me that if joni ernst goes and votes for the nominees of donald trump, then she should have nothing to be concerned about. but kari lake was an iowa born native and a potentially interested in running herself. and so there's suddenly this component here where donald trump has shown a willingness to go on the attack. bill cassidy is up for reelection in louisiana in 2026 as well here. and we have seen again, if you just look at history in those 2022 midterm elections, donald trump is effective in primarying republicans, who he convinces the electorate have been loyal to the maga cause.

>> can i just say to you, symone, as someone who i know has crafted some of those statements from lawmakers that the ernst statement was so telling to me, it wasn't like, well, i've met with him. he's answered all my questions. i no longer have these concerns. it was like, well, donald trump is president. >> and, you know, he seems to want pete hegseth and spoke with people in iowa, and they seem to want him like, you know, it's like she could i get it. >> like she couldn't quite bring herself to be like, don't worry. >> everything i said before, nothing to worry about here. it was more just like she she essentially said what vaughn said. >> yeah. i mean, it's kind of hard to believe. and i mean, on one hand, you've got senate republicans who are literally, like, rolling over for donald trump even when they don't believe it, because i actually don't believe that joni ernst, if she, you know, didn't have the threat of being primaried, hung over her head, she would be going along with the get along here. but she wants to keep her seat. and so you've got senate republicans doing that, and then

you've got senate democrats, where many folks have said that they they were surprised by how they all just necessarily didn't rise to the occasion. right. like it didn't seem in some of the questioning and some of these hearings, it seemed like there was some coordination amongst the democrats, and they were asking very pointed and real questions. but then for some of them, it seemed like grandstanding, you know, and you congress is a is an equal partner here. they are a co-equal branch of government. it's not like you do what the president says. you're a co-equal branch of government. and i'm just wondering how you all read that. like, did you i don't know, i kind of felt that senator gillibrand will be here. and she was i thought, what? excellent. what very pointed questioning of pete hegseth. direct questions. senator tammy duckworth, direct questions. i thought that andy kim was direct questions. but then there were some other folks in some of these other hearings. i'm like, what's going on? oh, y'all don't want to criticize democrats today, but here, here's here. >> let me let me rephrase

simone's question, which is i think there's a question coming out of her question, which is like, does any of it matter? right. if republicans have decided that this is all a big show on and that they are going to do whatever they need to do to pave the way for donald trump's nominees, then is there anything democrats could do that would change that? >> it's a it's a really good question. and there's little indication that there's little indication that anybody is going to face serious pushback here, even kash patel. there is little resistance here at this point in time. and kind of in the case of joni ernst, let's put joni ernst almost in the same bucket as democrats is that if anybody wants a seat at this table, in that table being the one down pennsylvania avenue at the white house here over the next two plus years, a good way to get to that table is by not putting up too much of a fight. i'm not suggesting that's why democrats are doing this. but if you look at russ vought, who is the omb director nominee who also went before confirmation proceedings

this week, there's the 1974 impoundment act, which russ vought, when asked by a democratic lawmaker whether he would seek to withhold congressionally appropriated funds, which the supreme court has ruled a president does not have the authority to do, he said that he didn't believe that the supreme court's decision was constitutional or accurate. and why is that important? well, you're talking about democrats, joni ernst, people who are committed to certain, right, that everybody ran for congress for a certain reason. and again, if you take them at their word, they want to ensure that some of their priorities are ultimately funded. and so that is where you are going to need donald trump. you'll need russ vote over the next two plus years in order to effectuate and make sure that that and other end of the line that that phone call is picked up by the president. >> it's so interesting because like, i actually again, i don't think half these people believe it, but they have subscribed and

signed up for trumpism, which will be here long after donald trump is no longer the president. the inauguration is now inside. vaughn, what can you tell us? i just want to note it's been called before inaugurations have happened outside. >> that is accurate. barack obama had a very cold one. the temperatures were in the 20s. now, let me be very clear. it is very cold outside and will be cold outside. i think we're looking at a high of 21 degrees. you know, this is going to be this was a decision that was made to move everybody in. the president elect cited health concerns not only for the attendees that were coming, but also for police personnel, including the horses. this is obviously something where i was not there for. but the man across the table for me was president reagan's was moved inside. i will say i'm going to be on outside duty, still talking to the supporters. we know that tens of thousands of folks have descended on washington, dc for all this to take place, and instead, the parade is now going to be moved

inside of the capital one arena, where the washington wizards and washington capital capitals play. but there's just about 20,000 seats inside here. so i think there's going to be a lot of frustration for a lot of folks that came in. but these are as i'm looking outside the window here. they are tough conditions. and i don't think some of us who are assigned to be on outside patrol even mind it, moving inside for a while. >> well, there's still the value of moving the inauguration back to march. i you know, i don't know why they haven't moved it to january in the first place, but here we. are, the constitution. like, what was that? >> the constitution? >> no, the inauguration was held in march, right up through roosevelt. and then they changed it. and the constitution that's. come on. next, we'll take a deep dive into the confirmation hearings for trump's controversial defense secretary pick, pete hegseth. and late. okay, that's what we're going to do.

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headquarters. >> donald trump's defense secretary pick will not be ready on day one of the new administration, according to politico. the senate isn't expected to vote on pete hastert's nomination until days after the inauguration, because the democrats are raising red flags about his qualifications. during his confirmation hearing, he said stumbled over several of their questions. >> how many nations are in asean, by the way? >> i couldn't tell you the exact amount of nations, but i know we have allies in south korea and japan and in aukus with australia trying to work on submarines with them. >> mr. none of those countries are in allies across none of those three countries that you mentioned are in asean. i suggest you do a little homework. >> commanders meet quotas to have a certain number of female infantry officers or infantry enlisted, and that disparages those women. >> commanders are not capable of quotas for the infantry. >> commanders do not have to

have a quota for women in the infantry. >> it is true, and has been acknowledged that i don't have a similar biography to defense secretaries of the last 30 years. >> joining us now, allison jaslow, an iraq war veteran and former army captain. she's ceo of iraq and afghanistan veterans of america. >> allison, good morning to you. you and i spoke a lot in the lead up to this confirmation hearings about the concerns you had about pete hegseth, the questions you had for pete hegseth. has any of that been remedied by what you saw during these confirmation hearings? >> alicia. thank you. >> you know, i would say that no, it hasn't been remedied. >> and also, i think some of the senators who were on the armed services committee failed to show up and actually challenge him in the way that he deserved to be challenged as a part of that confirmation hearing. >> give me examples. who are you talking about? what did you want to see? i mean, let's name the names. >> yeah. >> i mean, you and i chatted about this when we were last together. alicia. you know pete.

pete hegseth, excuse me? actively lobbied to get convicted war criminals pardoned. and these were men who were only convicted because men who served alongside of them, who experienced the same horrors of war on the same battlefield as them, felt like they crossed lines that we shouldn't cross. they they risked their reputation in some instances, those who are navy seals, but also had the courage to speak up and turn those men in. and, you know, i think if i was a senator, i would have asked pete hegseth what it says to those who had the courage to speak up about those war crimes that he actively lobbied to get those war criminals pardoned. like, does he not trust them? does he not think that they were honest when they spoke up and shared what they saw? does he not think that they have the judgment to know what is, what is fair and what is even, you know, within the realm of what could be

acceptable on a messy battlefield? you know, i've been to combat myself, and it's it is certainly difficult to navigate, especially in today's battlefield that is so asymmetrical. but if these same men saw and had the judgment to say that these individuals crossed a line, you know what it says to those men who had the courage to speak up? >> and in some cases, as i mentioned before, risked their careers to turn these war criminals in. >> i think is it is really sad for me, actually, that that he doesn't trust their word. and it's sad to me that we may be on the brink of elevating a secretary of defense who will be overseeing the men and women in uniform. who has those views? >> you know, allison, the way you just talked about it, this did come up in the hearing, but it wasn't as pointed as you just

made it. and i think that, at least for me, i think you really just painted a very clear and stark picture. and i wish the american people would have gotten to hear that from the senators and have pete hegseth answer these questions during his confirmation hearing. what we did get from a number of senators on the committee, disproportionately only democrats were very pointed questions about pete hegseth and women serving in the military. let's hear there are a number of senators, senator warren gillibrand and senator ernst, who questioned pete hegseth about women in military service. take a listen. >> these are your words from ten weeks ago. >> women absolutely straight up should not be permitted to serve in combat. >> when i'm talking about that issue, it's not about the capabilities of men and women. it's about standards. >> you said in your statement you don't want politics in the dod. everything you've said in

these public statements is politics. i don't want women. >> i don't want moms. >> what's wrong with a mom, by the way, as secretary of defense, will you support women continuing to have the opportunity to serve in combat roles? >> yes. women will have access to ground combat roles, combat roles, given the standards remain high. >> some audacity. >> talk about high standards. >> i mean, yeah, i can can you break down the standards? because i'm trying to figure i didn't think that there was a diminution of standards in our dod under biden, under under obama, under bush. i've never heard that. so to simone's point. help us understand what this these he keeps talking about these standards. what standards does he's referring to? >> well, the first thing i would say is, you know, thankfully, senator gillibrand did actually show up really well in that hearing and challenged him on

quotas, which don't exist. so it was nice to have her at least fact check in that instance. but what i think that viewers should know, actually, is when you see these women who are graduating from ranger school, these women are objectively tougher both in mind and body than not just many civilian men, but many men in the military. ranger school has a 50% dropout rate. so the women who are graduating not only are meeting the same standards as other men who are graduating ranger school, but they are exceeding what many other men who are still going to be serving in the military are able to meet in terms of standards of, you know, toughness and grit to be a special operator in the united states military. and listen, it would be a bad call, of course, for our readiness if we lowered standards. and so there's no there's no way that's happening in the military right now. in fact, if you followed the recruiting crisis at all, one of the things that's been

hard to actually get recruits is to get people to meet the standards, to even get into the military. so, of course, if the if the military is holding the line on, even sending people to basic training and boot camp that they're holding the line when it comes to standards inside the actual military itself. >> see, i you know, symone and alicia, i think all of that standards crap was just total bs because at the end of the day, he doesn't want women in the military. he's made very clear. pete hegseth has made very clear he doesn't think women can perform in the military and therefore does not want them in the military, in the capacities that alison just referenced. so, you know, we can play dumb all day long. and, senators, shame on you for not really drilling out that point and thoroughly exposing his bs because we have him on public record. so that's just how i look at it. but, you know, you have that piece about policy and expertise. >> and then, alison, you simply have this history of alcoholism

that hegseth was confronted about. >> take a listen to senator mark kelly. >> memorial day 2014 at a cva event in virginia. >> you needed to be carried out of the event for being intoxicated. >> senator. anonymous smears just true or false? very simple. >> summer of 2014. in cleveland. >> drunk in public with the cva team. anonymous smears. >> i'm just asking for true or false questions. >> true or false answers. >> an event in north carolina drunk in front of three young female staff members. >> after you had instituted a no alcohol policy and then reversed it. >> true or false? anonymous smears. >> okay, so, alison, putting aside the fact that under oath, he was not able to just say no, no. >> not true. >> didn't happen. >> sort of reverted to this. >> he wasn't even under oath.

that's the crazy part. >> that's it. okay. thank you. symone. >> so help me understand how a person who has coming into this with this baggage is supposed to lead an organization with the largest budget of any us agency. >> i mean, listen, we should all be concerned about the character of the next secretary of defense. i also think some individuals can evolve from the person who they were, you know, before in some aspects. but as i noted earlier, i think a lot of honestly, the background of pete hegseth is a distraction. a lot of the drama that apparently entails with him and like what i would hope people would focus in on and what i wished that us senators focused in on more on, was that he seemingly thinks war crimes are okay. and he doesn't think that we should still adhere to the geneva

conventions. he says. so in his book. he was wishy washy on it in the hearing this week. and that has serious implications, not just for our national security, but it puts our us troops at risk. and that was not highlighted enough in the hearing this week. that is what should concern the american people the most. as this heads to a confirmation vote. and, you know, we may have pete hegseth, the secretary of defense, but it has serious implications. again, as for our national security and also puts our troops at risk, and that is a problem. >> allison jaslow, i appreciate your time. >> i also appreciate you reminding us what actually matters here and what cannot be chalked up to anonymous smears, because, you know, you wrote it yourself in your own book. >> allison jaslow, thank you so much. now, a quick programing note for us on monday starting at 10 a.m. eastern. tune in to msnbc's special coverage of trump's second inauguration with rachel maddow. and team are going to bring you key moments of the day, followed by analysis from our primetime anchors throughout the evening as the new term begins. be sure to follow our show on social media.

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see what's happening within that organization and what you intend to change in that organization. what do you intend to improve? so all of this referencing back to the standards, if i'm a us senator, at some point i'm going to say, excuse me, exactly what part of the standard do you think is not being met? and tell us how you what you would change to revise that standard, i presume upward. i mean because the reality headset did two things. he he landed on the standards piece and stayed there, and he landed on the anonymous smears and stayed there. and what was frustrating to me in watching this was there was there was more focus on the broader sort of social part of it, you know, the role of, you know, women and what he said about women and his drunkenness and all this other stuff, as opposed to your point and allison's point, this pull back the curtain a little bit on your

thinking about the job you're about to do and how you actually view. i mean, look, everybody's like, oh, he served in the military. thank you. doesn't mean you should be secretary of defense. >> i'm just saying i took a finance class. do i get to be the treasury secretary? >> i was in the seminary. should i be pope? >> absolutely not. >> thank you. okay. see? >> i was going to give it to you. >> i was going to give it to you. >> i did not when you said you did finance. i did not go there. >> remember when i said i want to be an alvin ailey dancer? and he told me on air that, like, well, some dreams. >> something happens to a dream deferred? yes. >> we were talking about joni ernst. and it's not just joni ernst, right? i mean, it really is. all of the senate republicans who have just capitulated on this nominee. >> but but senator duckworth was asked why she thinks that senator ernst changed her mind. here's her analysis. >> i'm somewhat disappointed that joni would basically kowtow to maga extremists, which, you

know, at first she said she had some concerns, but she came under such attacks from the maga crowd and people around donald trump up and down. >> his leadership team said that they would come after her and her, you know, she's up for reelection. they will primary her. >> and like so many of my republican colleagues, they're running scared. and frankly, i wish that they would put the national security of america over their own political survival. >> it is interesting. it is interesting to me, michael steele, that republicans have found the slightest bit of backbone and sort of strength in numbers when it comes to austerity, but they have not found that when it comes to america's national security. >> no, because they don't. that's not the play. the play is survival. this is the ultimate survivors game. i mean, this is being this is, you know, being kicked off of the political island. here's the thing that i think joni ernst missed for me. where was her senator manchin?

it's like, are you coming after me? all right. what do you think you're going to get get through this senate? i will hold up every nominee. i will block every bill. i will slow this thing down to a crawl. senators have that power. that's why it's called the most deliberative body. they. it's deliberation. we're going to deliberate the hell out of your nominees. and instead of using the power that they have as the third branch of government, they basically give it to donald trump. that's my little simone tribute, right? >> i appreciate you. it was you know what i'm saying? it was it was concerning from pete hegseth to pam bondi to it was concerning. there were real questions. that even republicans, i know that they had that they should have posed. but you know what? i'm we yelling into the void. honey, we are we know what it is. let's

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israel's full cabinet approved the deal. fighting in the gaza strip will be paused sunday at 1:30 a.m. eastern. >> the deal starts with a six week truce and involves several phases. most israeli forces will withdraw to the gaza border, and hamas will free 33 hostages in exchange for 100 palestinian prisoners serving life sentences in israeli prisons. >> according to a portion of the deal shared by hamas, israel will also release another 1000 palestinian prisoners who were not involved in the october 7th attacks. joining us now, former democratic congresswoman of california jane harman. she's also the chair of the commission on the national defense strategy. good morning, congresswoman. >> good morning. >> good. good morning, congresswoman. you know, this this is such an amazing turn, considering the ebb and flow of this, of this crisis from october 7th to the day and at times, the appearance of a lack of movement or a sense that

folks did not want this to move. but here we are now, and it is a blessing to have this breakthrough. what does this mean for gazans at this point? what what can they look for as this idea of now rebuilding at the end of this becomes a new reality for them? >> well, a couple of things. >> first, let's stop quibbling about who deserves credit. >> trump deserves some credit. >> biden deserves some credit. >> let's see the deal happen. >> and oh, by the way, two american hostages are being released. >> tomorrow is supposed to be released. i don't think anybody's asking about their political affiliation, at least not yet. so let's get over that. >> for palestinians, there are supposed to be 600 relief trucks per day delivering humanitarian aid that has been so lacking. and also the palestinian authority will assume some responsibility for governance

there. >> that means hamas will not be running gaza, but the pa will. >> that's good news. the pa needs massive reforms. but but hey, at least it's a it's a government that will be in place. what i'm worried about michael though, is phase two and three. i can see this part of the deal happening and it's a huge relief. but phase two and three involves some progress toward some form of state for the palestinians. and there i think there could be a huge problem with the trump administration. his incoming ambassador, mike huckabee, is a born again christian and has said he doesn't have a problem with israel annexing the west bank. the right wing government of bibi netanyahu, especially ben-gvir and smotrich, are in favor of annexing the west bank. that's where most of the palestinians are. and i can also see another attempt, which is many israelis abhor, to

politicize the israeli supreme court. so this is bad news. where will bibi be? why doesn't he take advantage of the opportunity to change his coalition? and i'm guessing if he would do that, a pardon might be in his future as well. he would then go down as a peacemaker, and instead we may be going right back to war. unbelievably, right back to war and endangering. for example, jordan, the neighbor of israel, which has made peace with israel for decades, but which has a huge palestinian population, which will be destabilized if there is a move to annex the west bank. >> now, congresswoman, you lay out the stakes here, and sunday is one step. it is a very important step. it is a step that many people skeptical that would ever come to, we would ever come to see. but there are many more steps after that. in the absence of a partner in the united states that is willing to, you know, have a tough conversation with our friend and

ally, the state of israel. i don't think that president trump is going to be exerting any kind of pressure, if you will, on prime minister netanyahu and his right wing coalition to adhere to humanitarian standards, right, or to get that to pressure for a palestinian state, if you will. so who steps up in that void? is this where some of the other g7 countries come into play? does france take an outsized role here? who is going to step up in the void of pressure from the americans? >> well good question. the g7 can play a role. let's understand france's government is in transition at the moment. and to say the least, the current leader might be might go away pretty quickly. germany's government is in transition, too. so the strong leaders in europe aren't so strong. but i can see another play that would interest president trump. and that is the deal he has sought

for years or the expanded deal with the with saudi arabia and, and some of the of the other states in, in that region. he wants that deal. it's an economic deal. i'm sure there there are some some good consequences for his son in law and other things if that deal were to happen. but but i'm saying if he wants that deal, he's going to have to tamp down a move to annex the west bank and do things that the saudis have said are completely unacceptable. so he may have a balancing act here that could turn out better than i, than i fear. but if this is going in a direction that phase two and three blow up and we go right back to war, or israel goes right back to war with gaza, this would be a human tragedy on a scale we haven't even seen yet. >> well, let's stay there, congresswoman, because of course, the qataris played a big role in this negotiation. you've

referenced what this could mean for jordan when you step back and look at the region more broadly, what are the regional interests in trying to make sure that the forthcoming phases of this deal hold? and if you're talking about sticks and carrots for netanyahu, who is actually poised outside of the united states to offer those. >> well, that's a hard question to answer. i don't think netanyahu is hugely popular in the region, especially after the last year. plus, and i'm not saying israel did not have a right to defend itself. israel did have a right to defend herself. but i'm saying going forward, there's some new opportunities which i hope won't be lost so that that's where i come out. who could pressure them? well, you know, egypt and, and jordan are the neighbors who made peace with israel and have some sway. the sunni arab states, as you mentioned, have played an outsized role. and i you know, israel was a startup nation. i'm not exactly sure what state israel's economy is

in now. and so it has an interest. and i think the prime minister of israel has an interest in in rebooting that. so i think the neighborhood i don't know what to say about the g7. i think maybe a country like turkey could play a role, maybe some others. let's understand that that syria and lebanon have, have, have shoots and leaves breaking out. they have the beginning of decent governments after years of really failed state status. and so they will be interested in those interested in them. turkey being one, will be interested, i hope, in more peace in the region. and finally, let's not forget iran. israel did cause huge harm to iran by taking out effectively its proxies, hezbollah and hamas and hurting the houthis. so iran is going to want to play and the region is going to not want iran to go nuclear and play in the role

that it has played. so i think there could be common cause trying to rein in iran. and i think some, some progress could be made. and it was biden's policy not to let iran go nuclear. i can't imagine that that president elect trump would want to break that policy. >> we will all be watching and waiting to see what happens. >> former congresswoman jane harman, thank you. >> next, tiktok says it will go dark on sunday after losing at the supreme court left lawmakers on both sides of the aisle scrambling for a solution. scrambling for a solution. >> we're watching for weekend. i have moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. but thanks to skyrizi and clearer skin--i'm all in. with skyrizi, i saw dramatically clearer skin. and many even achieved 100% clear skin. don't use if allergic. serious allergic reactions, increased infections, or lower ability to fight them may occur. before treatment, get checked for infections and tb. tell your doctor about any flu-like symptoms or vaccines. with skyrizi, nothing on my skin means everything.

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>> well, sorry. no, no, no, none of this is common sense. i don't i don't understand why now we're all upset about this. i mean, how long has tiktok been around? >> well, people have been upset about it since the beginning. where was the flip flop? here. where did the all of these lawmakers came together? tell us? i can tell you, i think there is a core tension. >> i think the core tension is that there is an assessment that there is a real national security threat here when it comes to collecting americans data. there's also the reality that a lot of people use this platform, and it is very popular. and so no one wants to be responsible for that. and the fact that now the competitor you have coming out is not like people are going to roll over from tiktok to an american owned company. right now, they're running over to red note. let me just read you this. this is from our own reporting on friday about red note. user data collected by red note will be stored in china, whereas tiktok's user data is stored outside of china. red note must comply with chinese laws,

including the personal information protection law, the data security law and the cross-border data transfer rules. so, you know, the issue, the core issue remains. >> yeah, the core the core issue is this is a bunch of hooey, because at the end of the day, tiktok has been around for nine years, almost ten years. and now we're going through this. now there's, you know, a move. and we're here because donald trump was the one who wanted the ban. it started under his administration, the ban. and so you have this bipartisan coalescence to sign to get this bill signed. biden signed it. and the funny part about it is i'm hearing now that if, well, if tiktok goes dark, this is bad for the democrats. it's a bad thing for democrats because donald trump will then come in on monday or tuesday and be the hero when he says, let's put it back on. i mean, the politics

here is just so out of step to your point, symone, that, you know, you ask yourself, why are we here? look, americans love this site. 170 million people are in an on and off tiktok. the economic value of tiktok is real. the national security concerns are real. but it seems a little late for me. i mean, ten years into this, you're now concerned about china owning this or having access to it. i mean, the people are running running to another chinese organized platform. that's a fair point. >> i will just say tiktok is a national security concern. i am on it. but when we worked at the white house, we weren't allowed to have it on our government phones. any any government phone doesn't have it because of the national security concerns. i'm just confused why all of a sudden lawmakers are acting like they didn't jointly pass this bill a minute ago? >> exactly. >> all right, i want you to refill that mug. we've got another jam packed hour of the weekend coming up with juanita

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