the skin. it works like a dream. why didn't someone think of this sooner? >> it is going to be a very big weekend, and we have got you covered through all of it. tomorrow morning, we'll be joined by new york senator kirsten gillibrand. mary mccord and former trump deputy press secretary sarah matthews, and more. so that starts back here tomorrow at 8 a.m. eastern. and then we're going to see you again tomorrow night at 9 p.m. eastern for a special hour of the weekend to preview the inauguration. yes, we are kicking it off, honey. >> oh my goodness. >> but in the meantime, michael

stuck like he didn't know this. ali velshi will continue our coverage. >> that's some crazy stuff. you guys are working tomorrow morning, and then tomorrow night we've got earn our keep. >> ali. yes. and then the next morning, lots of news. >> and then the next morning. and the next morning, i gotta i gotta have a little sit down with you guys. >> tell you how to how to how to butter up the bosses a little bit. so stuff like that doesn't happen. >> well, yes, we. >> ali velshi, we're just trying to be like you, you know? yes. i see you early in the morning, late at night, covering the things in the war zones. i'm not trying to go to war zone. >> well, i will tell you, i'm not so good at this, my own self. because i will be hosting tonight at 9:00, so i'm just kind of making fun of you guys. but i'm doing exactly the same thing that you're doing. you know what? >> seasons. >> these are times. these are interesting times, right? if you're going to work hard and extra, these are you can like them or not like them. they say, may you live in interesting times. we are living in interesting times. so i'm most pleased to see extra versions of you tomorrow and monday. get

some rest. go home, go home, get some rest, take it easy, get a nice meal and get a snooze. velshi starts now. hey. good morning. it's saturday, january the 18th. donald trump's second inauguration is in two days. we got every indication that he's looking to get to work on some of his most controversial campaign promises immediately. new reporting from the wall street journal indicates that plans are underway for large scale immigration raids to begin on tuesday in chicago, a day one operation designed to make an example of so-called sanctuary cities and make good on trump's campaign, promise to carry out the largest mass deportation in u.s. history. kristi noem, trump's pick to lead the department of homeland security, which oversees immigration and border issues, appeared for the confirmation hearings before the senate homeland security committee this past week, where she described the southern border as a, quote, war zone, end quote. she should go to a

war zone sometimes to see to see what that's actually like. she was just one of 12 donald trump nominees whose confirmation hearings began this week. getting his cabinet confirmed fast is going to be key to enacting his agenda. among the others, marco rubio, picked for secretary of state john ratcliffe, who could soon lead the cia. both men appear likely to sail through the process and could be confirmed by the full senate as soon as monday, inauguration day. also making an appearance on capitol hill this week was pete hegseth, trump's embattled choice for secretary of defense. hegseth faced plenty of tough questions about his qualifications and fitness to lead the department of defense, but shortly after his hearing, he received a key endorsement from the republican senator joni ernst of iowa, who many believed could make or break a texas bid for the job. now that she's made her support for him public, hogsett's path to confirmation has become a lot easier. but another one of trump's most controversial picks has yet to

even have a date scheduled for her confirmation hearing. days after winning the presidential election in november, trump named tulsi gabbard as his choice for director of national intelligence. gabbard is a former congresswoman who represented the second district of hawaii for eight years as a democrat. at one point, she even served as the vice chair of the democratic national committee. she ran for the 2020 democratic presidential nomination. she left the democratic party in 2022. she became an independent and a paid contributor and fill in host on fox news. but last year, she officially became a republican and endorsed and campaigned for donald trump as the director of national intelligence. gabbard would oversee 18 federal intelligence agencies, including the cia, the fbi, and the nsa. if confirmed, gabbard would be one of the president's top advisors, helping to curate the crucial

intelligence that's presented to him on a daily, regular basis. but lawmakers on both sides of the aisle have expressed reservations about letting gabbard lead the country's entire intelligence apparatus. while no republican senator has publicly opposed her nomination, the wall street journal reported this week that privately, some of those gopawmakers continue to have army national guard, shs not an intelligence insider and doesn't have any direct experience working in a top national security or intelligence position. there are also long running concerns about her ties to authoritarians like russia's vladimir putin and the recently ousted syrian dictator bashar al assad. in 2017, while still serving in congress, gabbard secretly met with assad in syria during a trip that she described as, quote, a fact finding mission, end quote. a few months after that trip, she faced another round of criticism for saying that she was skeptical after the american

government under the first trump administration determined that assad's regime used chemical weapons in an attack that killed dozens of civilians. gabbard has also been accused of amplifying russian propaganda. perhaps most notably in early 2022, shortly after russia invaded ukraine in march of that year, gabbard published a post on x about, quote, us funded biolabs in ukraine, which many people pointed out echoed kremlin propaganda that russia used to justify its invasion of ukraine. she received pointed criticism for that post from the likes of then senator mitt romney, who wrote on x, quote, tulsi gabbard is parroting false russian propaganda. her treasonous lies may well cost lives, end quote. gabbard clarified that she was warning about the possibility of pathogens escaping from laboratories during the war. joining me now is john brennan, the former cia director during the obama administration. he's also an msnbc senior national

security and intelligence analyst. he's the author of the book undaunted my fight against america's enemies at home and abroad. director. good to see you this morning. thank you for being with us. i want to talk about this because there are many americans who are not familiar with the director of national intelligence and the importance of that role. we know cia directors. we know from movies and books what they do. talk to me about the director of national intelligence and its significance in this dangerous world in which we exist. >> well, the director of national intelligence was established by congress back in 2004. prior to that, the director of the cia also was in charge of the entire intelligence community. but since 2004, the director of national intelligence has had the responsibility to orchestrate the activities, the programs, the missions of these 18 intelligence agencies and make sure that they're well coordinated as well as well funded. in addition, the director of national intelligence is the president's

principal intelligence advisor, and in that role, the director of national intelligence oversees the production of the president's daily brief, referred to as the pdb. this is the daily intelligence product that goes into the president, into about two dozen other senior officials. so it's a very, very important role. and it's a complicated role because of the many different intelligence agencies that constitute the intelligence community. >> yeah. in order to get confirmed by the senate, you know, this, you have to fill out certain forms, provide documentation, get interviewed often. the fbi is involved in this. this process is, for whatever reason, delayed with tulsi gabbard. however, the allegations that she's parroting bashar al assad's stuff and the kremlin propaganda, we've we've all known that for a long time. what would that what effect does all of that have on her potential elevation to dni in america's national security? what's what's the concern here?

>> well, i think there are a number of concerns. and i think maybe the incoming trump administration is also worried about this, which is why the paperwork has not gone forward to the committee. but she has very dubious qualifications to play the role of the director of national intelligence because she doesn't have any intelligence experience. but also, as you pointed out, she has engaged in a number of statements or made statements, as well as engaged in actions such as the visit to syria during this period of time, when there was real concern about what assad was doing to his people and the use of chemical weapons. and so she carried out this visit to damascus in an unauthorized rogue fashion. she didn't work with members of congress or even inform the white house about this. and so, therefore, there's real questions about what she has done and the fact that she has said many, many things that really align very closely with vladimir putin's comments, whether it be about syria, whether it be about us elections, and also about edward snowden, she has called for and

introduced legislation calling for a pardon for edward snowden, who engaged in treasonous activity in terms of releasing u.s. intelligence and is now ensconced in russia. so i think there are legitimate issues and concerns and questions on both sides of the aisle in terms of tulsi gabbard's nomination. >> when you were the cia director, that did not make you america's chief diplomat, but in terms of our relationships with our allies, your role as cia director involved interaction with your counterparts all over the world. it's the same thing with the dni. if there are concerns about high level intelligence officials in the united states, that affects the way in which allies share information with us, and we share information with allies. again, in this very dangerous world. >> yes, i think our allies and partners are already concerned about how donald trump will handle intelligence matters, given his reckless handling of it, as well as his disregard and disparagement of the

intelligence community. and so now there's somebody who is going to be nominated to be on top of the intelligence community who has demonstrated, i think, great loyalty and fealty to donald trump. and i think a lot of our allies and partners wonder what's going to be the fate of the intelligence that they share with the united states intelligence agencies. >> as good as the us intelligence community is, we rely heavily on the assistance and the support and the intelligence of many, many intelligence services around the globe. >> and it just sends a very bad signal that we're going to have somebody at the helm of the intelligence community who doesn't have the experience, the qualifications, the credentials, and also engages in such questionable and controversial activities. >> heretofore, most of us would like to think that our intelligence services are not politicized. but there's another element to something that went on this week. speaker mike johnson in the house removed the gop representative, mike turner, from his post as the chairman of the house intelligence committee. mike turner was widely respected. he seems to

sort of hold much more mainstream views on a lot of issues, particularly as they relate to the world and russia and ukraine. he's known as a moderate. he's been a firm supporter of ukraine. this is interesting because if you were worried about tulsi gabbard and people who have non-mainstream views about global intelligence, people like mike turner might have served as some sort of a check. he's gone because he's not team trump. >> yeah, it raises, you know, many, many issues. first of all, speaker johnson clearly seems to be under the thumb of donald trump, which really makes one wonder exactly how extensive donald trump's influence in the house is going to be with mike johnson as speaker. but secondly, the fact that mike turner has been removed as the chairman of the house intelligence committee really, i think, demonstrates that trump and johnson want somebody in there who is going to do their bidding. as you pointed out, mike turner had a lot of respect on the democratic side of the aisle, even though there were sharp disagreements on various

intelligence matters and policies. but yet they felt as though he was a straight shooter, and he really had u.s. national security interests at heart. and so therefore, i think it really has sent a very, you know, chilling signal to the intelligence community as well as to individuals in congress on both houses who really take very seriously their national security responsibilities. >> director, good to talk to you. thank you. i've been very helpful to get your analysis on this. john brennan is the former cia director, msnbc senior national security and intelligence analyst, and author of the book, undaunted my fight against america's enemies at home and abroad. and with the presidential inauguration just two days away, a quick programing note this monday at 6 a.m. eastern morning joe is going to kick off our special coverage of donald trump's inauguration, then later, 10 a.m. eastern, rachel maddow and team are going to bring you key moments from the day, followed by analysis. analysis throughout the day, from our primetime hosts. again, our network's special coverage begins this monday, starting at 6 a.m.

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right now, ambulance and aid trucks. you can see them here are gathered at the rafah border crossing. that's the one that connects gaza and egypt, waiting to enter gaza at the start of the ceasefire. this will be the first stop in the fighting since a week long truce ended on december 1st, 2023. this fragile new deal follows months of intense negotiations between qatar and egypt, who act as mediators for hamas and the united states, led by the biden administration. representative brett mcgurk, president elect trump's incoming middle east special envoy, steve witkoff, also played a role in the final stages, getting the agreement across the finish line. according to all involved, the deal has three phases and is almost identical to a framework that was announced last spring by president biden, a matter that the hostage families and palestinians alike find deeply frustrating. phase one consists of a six week, six week halt in hostilities and the gradual release of 33 hostages held by

hamas, mainly women, the elderly and the sick. two americans will be included per the biden administration, as will two french israeli citizens, per france's president emmanuel macron. israel will gradually release 737 palestinian prisoners, in addition to 1167 gaza residents who were arrested during the war. israel will also gradually withdraw from populated areas in gaza, allowing gazan civilians to return. there will also be a major increase in the amount of daily humanitarian aid allowed into gaza. also during phase one, israel and hamas will begin negotiations for a permanent end to the war, which would be implemented at the start of phase two. assuming we get that far, and if that process takes longer than six weeks, the ceasefire apparently will continue as long as negotiations continue. that's according to president biden. joining me now from tel aviv is nbc news international correspondent

daniele hamamdjian. daniele, good afternoon to you. in israel, we know the cease fire is set to begin at 8:30 a.m. your time. that's 1:30 a.m. tonight. our time in eastern time. we expect the first round of hostages to be released. the timing and the details remain unclear. what do you know about what's. what's going to happen in the next 14 or 15 hours? >> well, according to the israeli government, the hostages will not be released before 4 p.m. local time here, 10 a.m. eastern. >> but this is all very fluid, ali. and it's always changing by the hour. but for now, that is the schedule that they have on paper. we will see on day one tomorrow. three hostages released. we understand that they are women. it's unclear if they are female soldiers or civilians. what we do know is that for every hostage, civilian

released, 30 palestinian prisoners will be released. if it's a soldier alive, 50 palestinian prisoners will be released. and so that is the ratio that we are looking at for the next six weeks. who are these women to be released tomorrow? i understand that that information will be making its way to israeli authorities tonight. and the families, of course, will be notified. this is hostage square, by the way. this has been sort of ground zero this entire time for the family members of the hostages, for their supporters. i've asked people, so is it going to happen yes or no tomorrow? and you'd be surprised how many people just sort of shrug their shoulders and said, we'll see. you know, nothing is done until it's done. and they don't believe that this deal is going to going to go ahead until they see the hostages tomorrow. it wasn't a unanimous it wasn't unanimous support. ali, politically, you've got the far right

ministers in benjamin netanyahu's cabinet who form who help him form this very fragile coalition who were not supportive of the deal, saying that it was surrendering to hamas. they voted against it. but even without their support, the deal still went ahead. the government voting to approve it late last night, very rare for the israeli government to meet during sabbath, by the way, and but also among the population, there are people who say we're never going to get to stage two, and they fear that hamas will remain in power, but they also fear for the remaining hostages, the male soldiers, the younger soldier, the younger men and those who are deceased. they fear that after stage one is over, after those six weeks, they are. this will be a death sentence for them, essentially. >> ali. >> yeah, this is as you said, this is a very fluid situation. we've had about nine iterations of this just this week alone. so we're going to watch with you very closely today, tonight and tomorrow morning. danielle,

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three richest men mark zuckerberg, elon musk and jeff bezos, attend the presidential inauguration. musk is set to join the administration as co-chair of the new department. that's not really a department of government efficiency, and both zuckerberg and bezos met with trump after he won the election in december. bezos said this about the incoming trump administration. >> he seems to have a lot of energy around reducing regulation. >> and my point of view, if i can help him do that, i'm going to help him. >> this perhaps makes sense for jeff bezos, a billionaire capitalist titan of industry. but bezos also owns a newspaper, the washington post, and several high profile staffers have resigned in the wake of editorial decisions that were friendly to the president elect. in october, the paper's editorial board was set to endorse kamala harris until bezos killed the article, according to reporters at the post, robert kagan, a longtime editor at large, resigned in protest. the billionaire owner of the los angeles times quashed

its editorial board's endorsement of harris as well, a move that was reported initially by semafor. on january 4th, a pulitzer prize winning washington post cartoonist, ann telnaes resigned from her job at the post after an editor rejected a cartoon that she drew and had submitted around christmas. here's the cartoon. it depicts tech titans, including the post owner jeff bezos, as well as mickey mouse representing disney, which agreed to pay $15 million to donald trump's presidential library in a defamation settlement, all bowing to trump with bags of money in hand. in an interview with npr, telnaes said, quote, i'm very used to being edited. i've never ever since i've worked for the post in 2008, been not allowed to comment on certain topics. by having cartoons killed, we have to have the freedom to say what we want to say. we are visual opinion makers. end quote telnaes is right. more than journalists, even more than

opinion writers. political cartoonists have traditionally had the ability, the responsibility to some degree greater freedom to level harsh criticism toward those in power, even if those in power are, though their employers and those in power know it. in the 19th century, gilded age politician william boss tweed of new york once said of the legendary cartoonist thomas nast, quote, stop the damn pictures my constituents can't read, but damn it, they can see pictures. end quote. the editorial page editor who rejected telnaes cartoon told npr about their decision. quote, not every editorial judgment is a reflection of a malign force. my decision was guided by the fact that we had just published a column on the same topic as the cartoon, and had already scheduled another column, this one a satire for publication. the only bias was against repetition. end quote. the only bias was against repetition. can you imagine if we took that approach here on this show? i repeat stuff all the time because it's important you have

to know it. you have to know it from different angles. the only bias was against repetition. but this story, it's not that new. it aligns with a larger pattern at the post and perhaps in journalism at large in america. a great friend of our show, jennifer rubin, who had worked at the post for 14 years, resigned this week. and in her resignation letter, she mentioned her old boss by name, quote, jeff bezos and his cronies accommodate and enable the most acute threat to american democracy, donald trump. end quote. when trump first entered office in 2017, the washington post adopted a new slogan to adorn its front page i love that slogan democracy dies in darkness. although it's not abandoning that slogan, it's now experimenting with something new. quote riveting storytelling for all of america. joining me now is maria ressa. she's a 2021 nobel peace prize winner, president and ceo of rappler, author of the book how to stand up to a dictator the fight for our future. maria, thanks for being here. unlike the washington post editor, whose

excuse was bs, we're going to repeat this. you and i have some version of this conversation about every two weeks, because we're going to have to talk about how we, as journalists have a responsibility as foot soldiers to democracy without fear or favor of who the threat is. repetition is not actually our problem. repetition is what got donald trump reelected. repetition is what put mussolini in power. repetition is what put duterte in power, saying the same thing to the same people all the time until they are convinced that you are right. >> yeah, absolutely. ali. >> i mean, if you multiply that on tech, right, like the thing that is going wrong, that set the stage for all of this is the fact that when you say a lie a million times, this is on social media, that lie becomes a fact. >> so no, repetition isn't a problem. in fact, if you're a good speaker, you must repeat to make sure that the points are made. i think this is a very, very difficult time for

journalists in america. and we've been here in the philippines, and there is going to be tremendous a push to give in, to compromise, to duck. and part of that is, you know, you can say it's the business, right? you can survive to lead, to live another day. but of course, the biggest problem here is that if you do, what kind of business will you be? what? and the business of journalism is extremely different. i think this is something tech has never understood, that the mission of journalism is what drives us. but, you know, let me say the three factors that every news organization is, is going to have to deal with, and this is part of the reason. thank you for all the work that you do. you know, the first is the pressure of the business model. our business model of advertising is dead or dying. most of the advertising is going to the very platforms where we are constantly attacked by big tech. the second is the breakdown of trust in our own audiences, and that you're

seeing that far more clearly in america than in the philippines. and then the third is this creative destruction, right? in the philippines, the largest network took the same position that that the washington post is doing now obey in advance. and at the end of that time period, during the duterte years, instead of pushing back, it held back and it lost its franchise to operate the largest television network. so it's like losing a license here in america. when you do this, you give up your power before you're even really tested. >> and so timothy snyder from yale makes this point all the time that the concept of being an advance, as distasteful as it is, is actually more important. you are anticipating what they may do to you, and as a result, you are validating their they meaning the government's ability to do that to you. they don't even sometimes have to do it at that point. they don't need to be audits which you were subject to. they don't need to be charges that you were subjected

to. you're just going to do the thing that you would have done if they got you in trouble in the first place. that's the danger of it. it's insidious. it spreads and it weakens the industry. >> absolutely. and it makes things progressively worse. right? like if it's the checks and balances, it's getting rid of checks and balances. and again, you know, the pressure to compromise will always come there. it will come from lawyers. it will come from business folks who will say, you know, don't stick your neck out. i certainly heard this when we were taking a position that where, you know, we're just going to keep doing our jobs, we're not going to change. if the world is going to change around us, we're going to stay on mission. but there are costs to that. and the company and the owners of the company need to actually accept that cost. and i, i just i don't know what america will look like if, if companies do this because this, you know, the nobel prize, the reason why it was given to

journalists is precisely because without journalism, you have no democracy. >> maria. and we're glad we did that because we had nothing to do with it. but we're glad the nobel committee did that, because when you are up against that kind of threat, the idea that someone recognizes the value of the work you do does keep us going. so when you got that nobel prize, it it kind of helped all of us, right? all of us said, hey, someone thinks there's value to standing up to power because that is what we do. so thank you again for being with us. and unlike the washington post editors, you and i are going to repeat some version of this conversation many, many times in the effort to stand up to democracy. maria ressa is the president and ceo of rappler, and she is a 2021 nobel peace prize winner for the important work she's been doing and her important book, how to stand up to a dictator the fight for our future. coming up, protesters are gathering in washington, dc ahead of donald trump's second inauguration. the people's march is just getting

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find out exactly how we're going to hold these leaders accountable and what sort of policy changes are required. >> i think there should probably be conditions on that aid. that's my personal view. >> why should other states be bailing out california for choosing the wrong people to run their state? >> we shouldn't be. >> they got 40 million people in that state and they voting these these imbeciles in office, they don't deserve anything, to be honest with you, unless they show us they're going to make some changes. >> some in republican leadership continue to suggest that disaster relief for the historic wildfires in los angeles should be conditional, and that the aid should have no strings attached. before the break, i told you about trump's history of threatening to deny disaster relief to democratic controlled states and cities, including washington state, in 2020. for more on this, i'm joined by that state's former governor, democrat jay inslee, who just finished his term in office on wednesday. governor, good to see you. first of all, your time as governor in washington has come to an end after 12 years. congratulations and thanks, by the way, over all those years

for coming on our show and talking about some of the most important issues of our time, including climate change. so congratulations on on your new life, whatever that is. >> thank you. i'm not done standing up for my state and democracy and against this guy in the white house. and martin luther king is going to go in and try to punish blue states. i'm not done in the fight against that. >> well, let's talk about that, because 12 years ago, when you when you when you took the governorship, there was less of this nonsense that went on. right. there was a sense that we this is the role of government when we are all government can do things that we can't do on our own. and disasters are one of those things that we just don't politicize. as an interviewer, i have interviewed people of all stripes when there's been a disaster and there's a sense that we all come together. that flavor changed under donald trump and you experienced it very, very directly. what's your sense of how that's going now and how you immediately combat that? because there are people in california right now who've lost their homes, some of whom do not have insurance, some of whom are in areas that are continuing to be

evacuated because those fires are still burning. >> well, imagine this. imagine a couple standing in the ruins of their home embracing and crying, which i've seen on multiple occasions because these fires are increasing because of climate change. and imagine them turning to the president of the united states and said, could you lend us a little hand here? and he says, no, i don't like you because you live in a blue state. you happen to have elected democrats on occasion. and that's exactly what he did to my constituents when they suffered in the malden fire, where the whole town burned down 15 000 acres, even burned the fire station in the library. and he just said, go fish. i'm not going to help you because i don't like the fact that you have democrats in your state. and that's exactly what he did. now, before donald trump arrived on the scene, it was inconceivable, inconceivable that any american president would take that cruel position. i just tell you, i look at this kind of personally. imagine your your neighbor's house is on

fire, and he comes over and he asks if he can borrow your fire hose and you say, no, no, you voted for a democrat. i'm not going to let you use my hose. that's what they're doing. and so this is a moment not to cower to this. it's a moment to show moral courage. standing up, holding the republicans, congress, people's feet to the fire, to not allow this type of outrage to occur. and we've all got that moral obligation, i believe, to everybody in america. i have some some guys, some congressmen you just quoted saying, you know, what do they deserve? will they deserve be treated as americans? which they are. that's what we're saying. >> let me ask you. i can perhaps get my head around the idea that taxpayer money is going to go to your state, and some things may have been determined to not have been managed as well as they could be. and we should discuss that. what stands out here is the degree to which republicans who are critical of democrats, or that run particular states,

avoid the climate conversation at all in here, that we're going to do everything, but we're going to not talk about climate change and what impact it has on flooding, on drought, on water levels, rising, on more, more impactful hurricanes. we're just we're just not talking about that. >> well, yeah, i mean, it would be like them conditioning aid to florida until republicans finally pulled their head out of the sand and decided to do something about climate change. look, these massive fires took place because of a combination of extreme aridity. it hasn't rained a 10th of an inch since june in california. and then these ferocious winds created fires that no fire company in the entire planet could stop. these were climate induced fires, and unfortunately, they're happening across the entire western united states and hitting hurricanes in florida and north carolina. this is a common problem, and it will be wonderful someday if we have republicans to help us fight

this battle against what's really causing these massive disasters. but you got to understand, this is a nakedly partizan action. you didn't hear these guys saying, well, i want to look at the emergency response in florida or, you know, to condition aid because they didn't get the truck, the taco truck there fast enough after the hurricane. they're not doing that. this is an attack on american people who made a voting decision that donald trump doesn't like. and by the way, the irony in my in my state, adding insult to injury, when i went to help these folks, there was trump signs all over town. these are people who voted for donald trump. but because the state happened to vote for a democrat, he decided to punish these americans for their voting behavior. that is what is going on. and we got to stand against this every way that we can. and martin luther king, he's going to take the office of a guy who understood, you know, one of my favorite quote