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infrastructure that had been put in place for monday's events. >> the transition moved proceedings indoors ahead of bitter cold temperatures expected in the nation's capital. we're going to have details on that for you in just a moment. >> trump will arrive in the d.c. area tonight. >> he is hosting a reception and fireworks at his golf club in virginia. >> also happening now in d.c, the people's march. >> progressive groups expect crowds of up to 50,000 protesting trump's agenda ahead of his inauguration. >> as we're going into the martin luther king jr holiday, i am reminded how every time in american history we have made progress on civil rights, on women's rights, there's been a backlash. >> and the only way we continue that progress going forward is to double down and stay committed. >> a new wall street journal report today says trump will begin large scale deportations in chicago on day two of his administration. >> nbc news confirmed that

report and adds a briefing was held friday for agents who volunteered for the operation and that more agents than needed volunteered. a new york times, a new one. it's a poll, meanwhile, saying that support for trump's policies, including deportation, exceeds support for donald trump himself. >> also new the tiktok ban takes effect tomorrow. >> but in a new telephone interview today, trump told nbc's meet the press moderator kristen welker he will most likely give tiktok a 90 day reprieve from the ban in just minutes. >> we're going to weigh the national security pros and cons for you. >> also tomorrow, at around 1:30 a.m. eastern, the israel-hamas ceasefire and hostage release deal will go into effect even as both sides hammer out some small details and some new reaction today to both president biden and president elect trump taking credit for securing the deal. let's stop quibbling about who deserves credit. trump deserves some credit. biden deserves some

credit. let's see the deal happen. and oh, by the way, two american hostages are being released tomorrow are supposed to be released. i don't think anybody's asking about their political affiliation, at least not yet. so let's get over that point. >> well taken there. >> we got a host of new and developing storylines at this hour. we also have correspondents and analysts in place with details and reaction. we're going to begin our coverage with nbc's vaughn hillyard in washington. vaughn, welcome. so starting mass deportations was one of trump's day one priorities. what do we know about his plans that nbc news is now reporting? >> exactly? our colleague julia ainsley is reporting that in chicago, specifically, that immigrations and customs enforcement is intending as soon as tuesday. of course, the day after donald trump's inauguration on monday to begin enforcing immigration laws and going in and putting into effect a deportation program, it is not clear the exact specifics of

what this operation would look like, the extent to which it would target businesses that may be employing a undocumented immigrants. there is potential of targeting, particularly in neighborhoods where there are larger, potentially larger concentrations of undocumented migrants. and so for the trump administration, over the course of the last years, they have maintained that they would enact the largest deportation program since the eisenhower administration. now to note, kristi noem, who was up on capitol hill this week, she has been tapped by donald trump to lead the department of homeland security. but there is, particularly within this incoming trump administration power that is being designated by the incoming president to individuals who are serving as effectively czars, including tom homan, who is his border czar, and kristi noem, the south dakota governor faced questioning about exactly who would be in control of ice and immigration policy, and actually executing on the desires of the

president elect. take a listen. >> who's going to be in charge of the border? >> well, the president will be in charge of the border. >> will he be giving orders directly to cbp, ice, uscis, the tom homan has a direct line to the president. >> he is an advisor to the president, the border czar. i obviously will be, if nominated and confirmed and put into the position of being the department of homeland security secretary and responsible for the authorities that we have and the actions that we take. >> and julie is reporting, she reports that ice has requested volunteer agents to step forward for the chicago operations and that similar operations could take place in other cities around the country. of course, a major concern or point of question over the course of the last months that have run parallel to donald trump's suggestion that he would operate the largest deportation program ever. the questions around the budgetary and the fact that

there are already ice's understaffed to the levels that the trump administration would see fit to carry out such an operation. and so there are serious questions as to exactly how they would be able to go and implement this. this program, particularly with some local law enforcement agencies that are not eager ready to take on the responsibilities that would come with that, a federal government request. >> yeah, totally. but those sanctuary cities, those self-described ones, they're the ones that certainly will be targeted first. okay, vaughn, thank you very much for that. also, right now in d.c, a rally for the people's march is underway at the lincoln memorial. protesters speaking out on a variety of progressive issues climate change, women's reproductive rights and immigration. it is reminiscent of the massive women's march that took place one day after donald trump was inaugurated in 2017. one protester saying today, we're still here and we will resist. we've got a live report ahead for you on that,

but let's go now to the new and dramatic developments in the tiktok saga, less than 12 hours before it is expected to go dark here in the us and leave 170 million american users staring at an empty screen. we are hearing some new reaction today from both tiktok and the white house and donald trump. now, after the supreme court upheld that ban, which takes effect tomorrow. unless chinese company bytedance can somehow divest this app. nbc business and data correspondent brian chung is joining me here in studio with more. i'm glad you're on this, brian. so how did we get here? what should tiktok users expect to see in their apps tomorrow? will it be a blank screen? >> yeah, i mean that is the expectation. >> so again, let's kind of walk through how we got here and why time is running out for tiktok, no pun intended. if we go back to december 16th, that is when tiktok asked the court to temporarily block the ban. and when i say court, i mean the supreme court of the united states. oral arguments took place on january 10th, and justices from both sides of the

aisle or both sides of the political spectrum, expressed skepticism over the argument that tiktok was trying to use to defend itself on first amendment claims. and then on january 17th, just yesterday, we got the notification from the supreme court that they had decided to uphold the congressional ban on tiktok. unless bytedance can sell tiktok by the statutory deadline of january 19th, which those looking at their calendars will know that is tomorrow. so okay, what happens now? what we heard from tiktok, they said in a statement that unless the biden administration, which is still in office until at least monday, immediately provides a definitive statement, tiktok will be forced to go dark on january 19th. so the company is saying you will not be able to scroll come tomorrow. the white house responding just this afternoon saying it is a stunt. we see no reason for tiktok or other companies to take actions in the next few days before the trump administration takes office on monday, they are passing the statutory hot potato to the trump administration, which sounds like tiktok will therefore not operate at least

on sunday. but what happens on monday? we have a new president and we just heard in an exclusive conversation with our kristen walker, again, moderator of meet the press, that trump says he will most likely give tiktok a 90 day extension to avoid the ban, also telling kristen walker that if he does so, he would likely make that announcement on monday on inauguration day. so whether or not tiktok, though, comes back online on monday is an open question, but just there's so many things up in the air, but it does sound like effective. tomorrow, you might not be able to scroll on the app. alex. >> so tiktok, as you know, it's become a major cultural flashpoint, especially for young people. what is the big picture impact of losing tiktok? >> brian it's substantial when you consider that it's just such a big part of the discussion on basically any topic that's happening at any given point in time. let me show you the stats here. in terms of tiktok being the most downloaded mobile app in 2024, over 800 million. and i also want to point out that in terms of users, 170 million users consider that we have 330

million people in the united states. so over a majority of people in this country have tiktok. so this is a very big deal. where do those users go on sunday, tomorrow if they can't log on to those apps, do they go to instagram? do they go to facebook? people have been downloading this other chinese app called xiaohongshu, which, by the way, the literal translation of that is little red book. it's also called red note, but the literal translation is little red book. it's kind of a big statement among those that use tiktok right now, that they don't really care if the chinese government or chinese companies have access to their data. but nonetheless, very interesting to see that all of this has come into effect effectively tomorrow. yeah, 100%. >> it's a big issue. brian chung, thanks for going through it with us. we appreciate it. so joining me right now, we have former fbi special agent and leader of microsoft's digital threat analysis center, clint watts. he's also an msnbc national security analyst. so welcome, clint. our congress and the supreme court. correct. does china's ownership of this app pose national security concerns? and if it were to be implemented

tomorrow, how far will the ban go to stop china from harvesting americans private data? >> yeah, it's interesting how this will play out. first, in terms of the law. this has been going on for quite some time, and both parties in many ways have. i think you saw across the supreme court there was bipartisan support of this ban. i think the next part of it is what happens really on monday, let's say even if there is an extension, it has to come to some sort of an american ownership. the key point that has come up over and over in these cases that have been in courts and also during the legislative debate on this, is that having a foreign country that, you know, has some sort of control over an application that goes to so many americans, it is both about data, but it's also about control of the content. and how do we know what that control of the content is. so none of those things seem to be resolved. you know, talking

about moving to this other app read, no, i would i would not be surprised if congress and other legislators impose the same sort of ban or even work for a larger, more broad bill about foreign ownership of social media applications as well. so this may just be the start of a much longer trend. >> and the fact is that president elect trump, he spoke on the phone with chinese president xi jinping on friday, and they discussed tiktok. among other things. trump has vowed to save the app because he thinks it helped him win the 2024 election. we got word that he's considering a 90 day extension. he'll most likely do it. that's his quote. even though he wanted it banned last time he was in the white house is there. do you have any idea what that conversation was like, clint? and what does it say about trump's attitude toward china that he's now siding with tiktok, potentially while simultaneously threatening beijing with 60% tariffs? >> yeah, there's multiple layers to this, alex. i wouldn't just limit it to tiktok. i imagine

that conversation, one component of it was about tiktok. and just like you saw from those numbers, those 800 plus million users of tiktok are not all in united states. so the u.s. is only a portion of that market worldwide. separately, fentanyl is a major issue. that's been in debate that president trump has argued needs to be stopped and needs to be controlled on. and then the larger issue of trade and a potential taiwan invasion, which is on everyone's mind. and all of these together, china will be the focal point of foreign policy for the trump administration. they have said as much so far, and i expect this to be the first of many phone calls. what i would note, though, is there's been many, you know, movements back and forth in terms of president trump's negotiations with china on many different issues. so i don't think anything is set, at least not yet, before the administration starts next week. >> but looking ahead, we have tiktok ceo who's expected at trump's inauguration monday. in fact, take a listen to some of the message he posted on the platform yesterday. here it is.

>> i want to thank president trump for his commitment to work with us to find a solution that keeps tiktok available in the united states. this is a strong stand for the first amendment and against arbitrary censorship. we are grateful and pleased to have the support of a president who truly understands our platform, one who has used tiktok to express his own thoughts and perspectives, connecting with the world and generating more than 60 billion views of his content in the process. >> okay, that sounds kind of like a political message there. but in addition, you have china's vice president who's also going to be there as president xi's special representative. this after trump sent xi that highly unusual invitation last month, considering trump's nominee for secretary of state, marco rubio, called china the most potent and dangerous near-peer adversary the u.s. has ever confronted. what do you make of this message? and the two leaders attending the inauguration? >> i think it's an interesting strategic point that will come up in this year, in 2025.

there's anything with foreign policy. we'll talk about russia and ukraine. we're seeing the cease fire in israel. china will be the focal point from here forward for this administration. it was kind of in the background over the last four years. but if you look at the espionage cases that have been brought by the fbi issues in terms of cybersecurity, which have been, you know, very aggressive from the chinese side, and then add to this the sort of negotiations not just about tiktok, but a range of issues. i think you will see this will be the focal point for the next four years in terms of foreign policy. we had talked a decade ago about the shift to the pacific. that was president obama. you might remember he was looking for that shift to the pacific. didn't really happen in the way that many thought it would. it's going to happen, i think, in this next administration in a big way. and i think this is just the start of many negotiations. you'll see from the trump administration, some people coming to attend the inauguration. sure. but on the other side, i think you look at the incoming secretary of state, marco rubio, there's no one that's been harder, maybe on china than than senator rubio

was when he was in congress. >> okay. clint watts, always good to have you on the show. >> thank you so much. it sounds good on its face, but the new cease fire deal between israel and hamas is tricky. and the details are critical, like when and which hostages will be and which hostages will be released. we're back in i was stuck. unresolved depression symptoms were in my way. i needed more from my antidepressant. vraylar helped give it a lift. adding vraylar to an antidepressant is clinically proven to help relieve overall depression symptoms better than an antidepressant alone. vraylar is not approved for elderly patients with dementia-related psychosis due to increased risk of death or stroke. report changes in behavior or suicidal thoughts to your doctor. antidepressants can increase these in children and young adults. report fever, stiff muscles or confusion which may be life-threatening or uncontrolled muscle movements which may be permanent. high blood sugar, which can lead to coma or death, weight gain and high cholesterol may occur. difficulty moving, tremors, slow or uncontrolled body movements, restlessness and feeling like you need to move,

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set to begin in gaza tomorrow at 8:30 a.m. local time. that is 1:30 a.m. eastern here. it could mark the beginning of the end to the deadly 15 month war. this as smoke from israeli strikes rises above the gaza skyline. even today, after the israeli government approved the deal overnight. we have reporters and analysts following the latest developments for us. first, we're going to go to nbc international correspondent raf sanchez, who's in tel aviv's hostages square. raf, big welcome to you. by the way, we understand that prime minister benjamin netanyahu is speaking right now publicly on all of this, but we believe the cease fire is set to begin tomorrow. is there already a potential sticking point that could mess that up? >> yeah. alex. >> so let me just start by explaining where we are. >> as you mentioned, we're in hostage square. >> we're in central tel aviv, and for 15 months now, rain or shine, thousands of israelis have gathered here demanding the release of those hostages.

>> and 470 days into their captivity. >> people here are daring to hope those remaining 98 hostages may be coming home. but as you said, nerves here are rattled by what the israeli government is saying is a last minute snag. >> prime minister benjamin netanyahu addressing the nation right now. and he is saying that hamas so far has failed to provide the names of the three female hostages who are due to come out tomorrow. israel is saying that unless they get those, that list of those hostages, they do not consider this deal to be going ahead. so i can tell you there are anxious people here right now. we saw similar last minute brinksmanship before the last deal that went ahead in november of 2023. but what we are hearing from people is that they do not they will not believe those hostages are safe until they are back in israeli territory and in israeli hands. now, as you said,

assuming this all goes ahead smoothly, 8:30 a.m. tomorrow morning, the guns are due to go silent in gaza, and at 4 p.m. local time, that is 9 a.m. eastern on sunday. we are expecting this process to begin to get underway. israel will start releasing dozens of palestinian prisoners, and we think those three female hostages will come out of gaza. now, alex, there is a special poignancy to the gathering that is going on here tonight. today is the second birthday of kfir bibas. our viewers might remember him. he was just nine months old when he was kidnaped along with his family on october 7th. he turned one in captivity and today he is turning two in captivity. this is a little boy who has never had a birthday outside of gaza, and israel is bracing to learn his fate and

the fate of his family. hamas has said that the babies were killed in an israeli strike early on in this war. israel has said their status is unknown, but this is part of what is so painful right now. this deep, deep sense of not knowing. they understand that the bibas family are on the list of hostages due to come out during phase one of this deal. they do not know whether they're going to come out dead or alive. alex. >> which brings me to a very quick question. when we talk about the three females that are supposed to be released tomorrow, do we have the list of the remaining hostages that are expected to be released across these 42 days? >> we do know roughly the names of the 33 hostages who are expected to be released in phase one. they are people who fit in the so-called humanitarian category. so it is women, it is children, it is the elderly. it is people who are sick or gravely wounded. and we know

from the white house that two americans are expected to be among those 33. that is keith siegel, who is 64 years old. he comes as an elderly person, and ziggy callahan, who was wounded on october 7th. >> okay. >> ralph sanchez, a very poignant day there behind you as it is every week. thank you so much. let's bring in peter baker, msnbc political analyst, chief white house correspondent for the new york times and coauthor of the divider trump in the white house, 2017 to 2021. look, my friend, you've written a number of articles on this deal even before both sides agreed to it on friday. what are the next steps? when will hostages start to be released? what is the expectation from within the white house? does it happen tomorrow morning on joe biden's watch? >> well, they certainly hope so. that's the deal. that's the official schedule that has been promulgated as part of this agreement. obviously, you know, as we see so many times before, there are last minute hitches and you can never quite tell

whether they're a last minute hitch that's going to pull the whole thing apart or just something that needs to be ironed out in the in the process. but the three hostages should come out tomorrow, and then we're supposed to see them essentially once a week going forward through the course of this first phase. 33 in all, in this next six weeks. and i think that joe biden for joe biden, it's very important, obviously, to begin this process before he leaves office. it won't end while he's in office, but at least he will be able to see the beginning of the end while he is still president. >> yeah, look, the deal was brokered and certainly fits and starts for months by president biden and his administration. with this final deal nearly exactly. in fact, what biden proposed earlier in 2024. but donald trump is taking credit for it now. look, trump's envoy participated in the talks, but is it impossible to say how much influence that trump had to help make this deal happen? >> yeah, i mean, look, people who were involved in the process and analysts who have a lot of

experience in the region tell us that, you know, in effect, it required both presidents to get this over the finish line. obviously, it is the deal that biden first tabled back in may. the gist of it has been negotiated painstakingly by his negotiators, led by brett mcgurk, his middle east coordinator. they're the ones who pulled together all of the very, very complicated logistics and concessions and got both sides to sign off on them. but it took it seems like trump coming into office to push the parties to finally accept what biden had put on the table, to finally agree that it was time to put an end to this. and you did see steve witkoff president trump's income. president elect trump's incoming special middle east envoy, working in tandem with brett mcgurk to try to make clear to the parties, especially netanyahu, that there was no daylight at this point. you heard president biden say last week we were speaking with one voice, which is pretty amazing when you think about how much biden and trump do not generally speak with one voice. so i think in the end, both presidents

played a role in this, and people can apportion how much credit each one gets. but it hadn't happened with only one, and it seemed to happen once we finally got to. >> maybe we can just look at it like they did it together and have it be the end of it. but let's take a quick look at the outgoing administration. what are your expectations, peter, for these final two days of biden's term, more pardons because we have congressman bennie thompson, of course, chair of the january 6th select committee, who said that he had a discussion with the white house about pardoning members of the panel. does president biden seem inclined to do it? >> yeah, that's the open question right now in the last 45, 47 hours or whatever it is until he leaves office, there will be, we're told, more executive clemency actions in the next two days for, you know, regular people, regular inmates, people who have been targeted for clemency and forgiveness. but the big question is the political pardons, right? the preemptive pardons for people who haven't committed any crimes or at least not been charged or

convicted of any crimes, but are known to be enemies or seen to be enemies by president elect trump, who has promised retribution. and so it's been a tough debate, i think, for president biden. do you give pardons to people who haven't necessarily done anything wrong, don't believe they've done anything wrong simply in order to protect them, but therefore leave the implication that they've done something wrong. a lot of the people who might have gotten these preemptive pardons said they don't want it. for that reason. people like senator adam schiff, people like former congressman adam kinzinger. they said, no, we don't want these pardons because it would imply that we did something wrong. but there are others, i think, who do want them and who are concerned that a trump administration will follow through on his campaign threats and make their lives miserable. they don't have to actually result in a conviction in order to make somebody's life pretty miserable. with an investigation that costs tens, if not hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal bills and makes your career, you know, upended. yeah, 100%. >> all right, peter baker, don't leave your career because we need you next weekend. thank you very much, my friend. good to see you. what does the term siberian express mean to you? probably not a lot, but this weekend many of us may feel it. plus sign of the times. a live

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meteorologist michelle grossman. so, michelle, i know it's the first major storm of 2025 for much of the country. how much snow are we talking about and where is it going to hit hardest? >> hi there alex. >> we're looking at a pretty sizable snowstorm for many of us. >> also bitterly cold. we are looking at a dangerous cold setting in. not just today. >> tomorrow. >> it's going to stay with us for a few days. >> that makes it more dangerous. >> we're looking at wind chills well below zero. >> some spots 20 below zero is what it's going to feel like. >> and it's a big chunk of the country, not just a little part. >> we're talking 80 million people impacted. >> just taking a quick glance at this map. >> we have so many bitterly cold advisories out there. we have cold advisories, cold watches, excessive cold warnings as well, from glendive to missoula, colby down to dallas, houston, nashville, erie, pennsylvania, and also roanoke. so a big part of the country is going to see this cold weather and it will be cold until further notice. >> these temperatures are dangerous. >> we're going to see frostbite or the potential for frostbite in some spots. >> so if you're in areas like

minneapolis, billings, denver, even, we're looking at a wind chill today of one below zero. you want to cover any exposed skin where those layers too. so you can kind of trap that heat inside. oklahoma city 23 will be the wind chill today. >> the air temperature not much above freezing there. >> 41 in lubbock, that is today. then by tomorrow we're looking at temperatures into the 20s in some spots, but a lot of spots into the teens. we have single digits. minneapolis tomorrow zero degrees. and take a look at that. wind chill will feel like 18 below zero. a dangerous temperature there. tulsa 29. the wind chill is 21. jackson 39. we have 40s in houston, 40s in roanoke. and that will be the same story as we kick off next week as well. temperatures not really budging. this is a little piece of the polar polar vortex that has come down. and it's going to stay in place, especially in the northern plains, the upper midwest, chicago single digits on monday and tuesday, just ten degrees on monday, six degrees on tuesday. new york city, we're looking at temperatures below freezing in new york city, 20 on tuesday. and i'll end it here because i do want to really highlight

this. it's going to be cold in dc on monday. temperatures only in the 20s. and alex you factor in the winds. it's going to feel like 5 to 10 degrees okay. >> makes sense why they moved it indoors. thank you michelle for that. also happening at this hour. thousands gathering in washington to protest the incoming trump administration. the people's march is this year's version of the march that drew hundreds of thousands of people to the capitol back in 2017. nbc's julia jester is right near that rally that is happening now at the lincoln memorial. julia, welcome to you. what is the mood there today? good to be with you, alex. >> as you can see, there are tens of thousands of demonstrators here on the mall protesting president elect trump ahead of his inauguration. >> it is a big crowd, but it's a far cry from the hundreds of thousands we saw at the women's march in 2017. not just gathering here in dc, but all across the country. >> even the globe. now, a difference here. >> this time around, you notice it's the people's march, not

just the women's march. >> we started near the white house where different interest groups were gathering climate, democracy, women's rights issues, and they all made their way to the mall. now we have speakers at this rally. it lacks the star power of the women's march. no celebrities like madonna or even elected leaders. then-senator kamala harris was here last time, so it's a little bit more subdued. and i spoke with some demonstrators on our way over here, including a woman named zoe from arkansas who went to one of those satellite protests in 2017. and here was her take on how the mood differs this time around. what do you feel like the mood is this time around compared to 2017 protests? less optimistic, maybe, just because things have changed. some for the better, some for the worse. >> but a lot of it is just i feel people are maybe more

determined this time than last time. >> now, other demonstrators said that they also felt like they didn't know what was coming in 2017, but they know now. >> and one thing is clear, alex, no one knows who the leader of this resistance movement is. they said, we the people are the leader and they feel inspired for someone to take up the mantle. >> alex. okay. julia jester thank you. from d.c. the long goodbye, a final chapter to write with some potential big plot twists. word from the white house next. work. play. >> blink. relief. work. play. blink. relief. >> the only 3 in 1 extended relief formula for dry eyes. >> blink one law firm climb inspector has won some of the biggest verdicts in american history. so if a defective product, motor vehicle accident

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to tiktok warning the app will go dark in the us on sunday if president biden does not intervene. nbc's yamiche alcindor is at the white house for us. yamiche, welcome. so what are we now hearing from the biden administration on this? >> well, there is a bit of war of words going on between tiktok and the biden administration. and the biden administration is really pushing back forcefully on tiktok. i want to read to you part of a new statement that was just put out in the last few hours by white house press secretary karine jean-pierre, she said in part, we have seen the most recent statement from tiktok. it is a stunt and we see no reason for tiktok or other companies to take actions in the next few days before the trump administration takes office on monday. we have laid out our position clearly and straightforwardly. actions to implement this law will fall to the next administration, so tiktok and other companies should take up any concerns with

them. and we, of course, also have the news that meet the press moderator, kristen welker, talk to president elect trump, who said that he's likely going to give tiktok a 90 day reprieve from that ban. so that's sort of what we're hearing from the incoming administration. but the biden administration is stressing this is no longer something that we're going to be dealing with. it's going to be to the trump administration, alex, which means expect it to go dark on sunday, at least for a day. >> let me ask you quickly about presidential pardons if more are forthcoming. yamiche, when will we hear about that? >> well, it's going to have to be, of course, the next 48 hours, because that's the ticking time on this last administration, those last few hours of this administration, for the biden administration. we know already that when he commuted something like 2500 nonviolent drug offenses, that that made him the president with the most pardons and commutations in u.s. history, according to the biden administration. so we could see more pardons waiting for that very clearly. if i see anything, i'll definitely let you know. alex. good. >> we'll go right back to you. thank you so much, yamiche. we'll see you again, no doubt.

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widespread fraud. when donald trump lost the 2020 election, who won the 2020 presidential election? >> joe biden is the president of the united states. >> you cannot say who won the 2020 presidential election. >> okay, it's disturbing. >> joining me now we have timothy hafey, former federal prosecutor and former lead investigator to the house january 6th committee and author of the great new book harbingers what january 6th and charlottesville reveal about rising threats to american democracy. again, congrats on getting that one out there, tim. but why can't pam bondi bring herself to say who won? is she walking a very fine line, or is she clearly loyal to donald trump's version of what happened in 2020? >> yeah, alex, look, it just seems like a loyalty and litmus test for an audience of one. it doesn't really matter if democratic members of the senate, like senator hirono,

find that answer incredible. she has a primary audience. the person who appointed her to that position. and that has been consistent over the last four years, despite, again, as we have discussed ad nauseam, the lack of any evidence that would suggest anything but a legitimate victory for president biden. >> you know, democrats also asked about her own threats to prosecute those who investigated and prosecuted cases against trump. let's watch that. >> the president has said jack smith should go to jail. will you investigate jack smith? >> senator, i haven't seen the file. >> i haven't seen the investigation. >> the president also wants to jail liz cheney sitting here today. are you aware of any factual basis to investigate liz cheney, yes or no? >> senator, that's a hypothetical, and i'm not going to answer. >> you have said that department of justice prosecutors will be

prosecuted. >> i said that on tv. i said prosecutors will be prosecuted to finish the quote, if bad. >> so, tim, can prosecutors and jan six committee members find any comfort in her answers ther? >> no. alex, candidly, look, i appreciate the fact that the attorney general nominee says it depends on the facts. that, of course, ought to be fundamental, that it all depends on the facts. but the fact that she mentions a file and i haven't seen the investigation suggest that she's amenable to some sort of investigation, which ought to take facts which aren't here. right. the troubling thing is, is that it seems to be an appetite to investigate the investigators. typically, there needs to be some sort of foundation of, of fact, suspicion of wrongdoing to even open an investigation here. i don't believe that exists.

nonetheless, it sounds like there will be a file and there will be an investigation. ultimately, alex, it takes facts for real exposure. there are no such facts here. so i don't think jack smith or liz cheney or anyone else have any ultimate reason to be concerned, but that doesn't mean that there won't be investigations with which they'll have to comply and cooperate. >> so here is what she said about trump's plans to pardon january 6th rioters. after some initial deflection. here's that. >> do you believe that those who've been convicted of the january 6th riot, violent assaults on our police officers should be pardoned? that's a simple question. >> so, senator, i have not seen any of those files. of course, if confirmed and if asked to advise the president, i will look at each and every file. but let me be very clear in speaking to you, i condemn any violence on a law enforcement officer. >> so are you convinced that she can function independently as

attorney general? >> it remains to be seen. i have no idea, alex. i certainly hope so. the tradition of the attorney general, regardless of whether he or she has been a republican or a democrat, has been that that very important law enforcement role has had some independence from the white house and has made decisions based on the facts and the law. i'm encouraged that the attorney general nominee said she condemns violence against law enforcement. i've heard the vice president elect similarly say that he would not support pardons of violent insurrectionists at the capitol. that's encouraging, and i hope it informs the president's thinking that there will be some line drawn if he issues some pardons regarding jan six offenses. >> let me get a quick reaction to what was released. jack smith's volume one on his cases with regards to, of course, the insurrection and that. give me your sense. i mean, he had he

had to claim that it was laughable to suggest that he had anything of a political investment in any of this. >> yeah, yeah. he defends the integrity of the investigation, which i expected. but he also just lays out again the substance that was evident from the indictment that was issued in the case in washington, the election interference case. and that's a story, alex, that we told we the select committee told some months ago. it's the same story. there are a few new details. there are some things that he got from handwritten notes from mike pence, reflecting discussions pence had with trump. it looks like there's some signal communications he got between scott perry, congressman perry and jeffrey clark, who was proposed to be acting attorney general. that's some stuff beyond the evidence that we had, but it's essentially the same core story, an intentional, multi-part plan intentionally designed to disrupt the joint session and prevent the transfer of power. that's what's laid out in the report, very similar to what was in the select committee's report.

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destroyed. joining me now from altadena, california, is nbc's maggie vazquez. so, maggie, welcome. what's the latest official word on this? >> well, alex, i'll start with what's behind me, because the latest word here is we can see crews are scrambling to make these neighborhoods that are still under evacuation orders, at least somewhat safe and somewhat livable. >> i mean, we've got blocks and blocks of utility crews and cranes. by the way, if a jackhammer kicks up during this live shot, that's part of this work that's happening here. in the meantime, we can give you the latest word from officials there, basically telling us that they are slowly but surely letting people back into these neighborhoods. >> at its peak, we had about 200,000 people evacuated. that's now down into the tens of thousands. they're letting people back into both the palisades and altadena, where we are. >> the area swept by the eaton % continue to grow. we've gotten a break in the winds. >> thankfully, they may kick back up again later this week, but fire crews have a little bit of a reprieve from those.

>> we just got new numbers on those as well. >> the eaton fire, now 73%, contained. >> palisades 43% contained. and this is an update that we just got from la fire moments ago. here's part of that. >> please be assured that our firefighters continue to work 24 over seven to achieve full containment of these wildfires as fast as we can. >> we continue to plan for the repopulation of evacuated areas when safe. >> the repopulation of residents in the evacuation order areas will not occur for at least one more week. >> and the reason, by the way, this process, alex, is so slow. you mentioned the death toll 27 people. dozens more are still missing and crews are going door to door in just, you know, what's left of home, from property to property, trying to find the