of a reprieve from those. >> we just got new numbers on those as well. >> the eaton fire, now 73%, contained. >> palisades 43% contained. and this is an update that we just got from la fire moments ago. here's part of that. >> please be assured that our firefighters continue to work 24 over seven to achieve full containment of these wildfires as fast as we can. >> we continue to plan for the repopulation of evacuated areas when safe. >> the repopulation of residents in the evacuation order areas will not occur for at least one more week. >> and the reason, by the way, this process, alex, is so slow. you mentioned the death toll 27 people. dozens more are still missing and crews are going door to door in just, you know, what's left of home, from property to property, trying to

find the remains of those still missing. that is a painstakingly slow and, as you can imagine, incredibly grim process. and they want to leave no stone unturned. alex. >> yeah, i get that. okay, maggie, thank you so much from altadena in moments, what comes next on capitol hill after fireworks in front of the cameras? but first, some of the stories making headlines across the country. the minnesota star tribune has this tiktok ban or sell laws upheld. plus, brutally cold weather poised to grip minnesota. the arizona republic's top story border residents await new president. and the washington post has this icy blast sends inauguration inside. >> the top of the hour. >> with a good day to all of you from msnbc world headquarters here in new york. welcome, everyone, to alex witt reports. we begin with donald trump's inauguration, now less than 48 hours away, as the capitol

braces for bitter cold temperatures and crews work on a new indoor location for the inauguration ceremony, we are learning more about trump's plans for mass deportations, a new wall street journal report says operations could begin on day two of his administration. nbc news confirmed that report, adding that agents who volunteered for the deportation operation attended a briefing friday in chicago and new reaction to the tiktok ban that takes effect tomorrow. donald trump, in a telephone interview today told nbc's meet the press moderator kristen welker he will most likely give tiktok a 90 day reprieve from the ban. one analyst told me a reprieve will not solve problems and concerns around the app. >> the next part of it is what happens really on monday. let's say even if there is an extension, it has to come to some sort of an american ownership. having a foreign country that, you know, has some sort of control over an application that goes to so many americans. it is both about data, but it's also about

control of the content. >> trump also told nbc news he plans to visit california, probably by the end of his first week in office, to see the aftermath of the devastating wildfires in the greater los angeles area. he said he initially planned to visit friday, but decided it would be more appropriate to visit as president. and happening right now, thousands are converging on washington dc to protest trump's agenda. the people's march today expects crowds of up to 50,000 people, and we have reporters and analysts ready to go through all these new developments. i want to start with nbc's vaughn hillyard in washington. so, vaughn, what do we know about this operation in chicago? and will it be a preview of how this mass deportation plan, as trump has called it, will be carried out right in that phone conversation that the president elect had with her, kristen welker, just a few moments ago, he reiterated that he intends to move forward with these mass deportation plans as to exactly what these operations will look like. >> it's still an outstanding question, but our colleague julia ainsley, reporting that the plan for ice at this moment

in time is to target the city of chicago as soon as tuesday, the day after he is sworn into office. potentially, though, also moving into other major urban areas, other cities. the question here, of course, comes down largely to resources and the extent to which ice officials are able to go in and effectively target communities, and exactly where are they able to effectively identify where undocumented immigrants are residing? are these workplace raids, for example, i want to let you listen to kristi noem, who is been nominated by donald trump to be the head of the department of homeland security. she was up on capitol hill just yesterday testifying through her confirmation process and was asked about mass deportations. take a listen. >> president trump has been very clear that his priority is going to be deporting criminals, those who have broken our laws and perpetuated violence in our communities. his next priority is going to be those with final removal orders, and focus on

those individuals who who have long overstayed, and that there is a consequence for ignoring our federal laws. >> now, the president elect has said that he intends to sign a record number of executive orders, executive actions upon being sworn into office, and he, through the campaign, said that he would enforce the alien enemies act, which would allow, he argues, his administration to effectively detain individuals who are suspected of being in the country illegally, individuals who he says that would be targeted would be criminals, drug dealers, and that those individuals would be able to be detained and then deported if they were 14 years or older. again, a lot of these are outstanding questions that mike homan, the tim homan, excuse me, the border czar for the incoming trump administration, as well as kristi noem, they have not been clear as to the exact execution of this. and of course, this

would cost substantial resources. our colleague julia ainsley was told that the ice was seeking volunteer hours from officers in order to go through with these, this chicago operation in the coming days. there's a lot of outstanding questions as to exactly what this will look like here in the days, weeks and months ahead. >> yeah, there sure are. and i'm going to continue asking them, particularly if our next guest. thank you, john, for that. joining me now, democratic strategist and former adviser to the obama campaign, alicia cross. and charlie dent, former republican congressman from pennsylvania. so to you, charlie, what is this operation going to look like? and is there a real plan? what are the risks, both from a humanitarian and political standpoint? >> well, if donald trump has a mandate, it is really to deal with the border. i suspect the chicago operation, and i don't know what it entails at this point, but i think they're going to focus on what kristi noem just said. >> they're probably going to focus on criminals first. >> they will also focus on those who have valid removal orders

against them, which is a very significant number of people in this country. >> they'll also probably focus on people who arrived most recently. that's what i suspect they will do. and i believe they have actually have a mandate to deal with that particular element of the population in this country that is here unlawfully. so that's what i think they're going to do. i think tom homan's job, the border czar, is going to try to set expectations and also introduce a dose of reality as to what can be done. >> i can tell you for a fact, removing people who even have valid removal orders against them is not easy. there's a big number of them. a lot of the host countries won't take them back. >> and i think homan understands this. i hope president trump does. >> amicia there's a new poll from the new york times, and it shows that 87% of americans support deporting immigrants who are here illegally and have criminal records. but will there be that level of support for what is actually carried out? and what did kristi noem's testimony tell you about the

trump administration plans? >> well, to answer the first part of your question, i think it depends on how they carry it out and to which communities are the most activated. as somebody who's a native chicagoan, i think that it is very disappointing to watch trump choose chicago as his first place to enact these radical, these radical deportation plans. but i'm also old enough to remember when the governor of texas and the governor of florida used busses and planes to send migrants to chicago, attacking sanctuary cities and sanctuary states is one of trump's top priorities. it's something that he talked about during his last round in the white house. it's something he talked about on the campaign trail. when you have someone who has said time and time again that the immigrants are taking your jobs, that they are raping your children, that you are basically demonized them to an extent that scares communities. i think that there's something that we have to really look at here. he said that they were the reason why there was a housing crisis across america. we know that those things aren't true. we know that migrant crime is amongst the lowest level of crime in this country. but he

repeated it on loop for years that extended long beyond his actual reelection campaign. and kristi noem, kristi noem is going to follow the policies of the trump administration. she's going to follow the policies of project 2025, as will all of his nominees. america voted and they made a choice. part of it was buying into a narrative, i would argue, a false narrative that donald trump put out. the other part is fear tactics and a media echo chamber that was anxious to hear and not actually push back against what donald trump was saying, has actually bolstered a lot of his claims. >> okay, charlie, let's move to the confirmation hearings, because pete hegseth was certainly questioned about his commitment to the geneva convention. let's take a listen to that. >> are you saying that the geneva convention provisions which which clearly outlaw torture of prisoners, do not, should not apply in the future? senator, how we treat our wounded, how we treat our prisoners. the applications of the geneva conventions are

incredibly important, but we would all have to acknowledge that the way we fought our wars back when the geneva conventions were written are a lot different than the asymmetric, non-conventional environment of counterinsurgency that i confronted in iraq and afghanistan. >> so remember, hegseth advised trump to pardon soldiers convicted of war crimes. your thoughts on hegseth hearing? will he be confirmed? and how then, could he change the way the department of defense runs? >> well, first, i think he probably does get confirmed at this point. but i would also say i was disappointed with the hearing. i really did not think there were enough substantive questions like the one you just presented there from senator king. that was a substantive question, but they really didn't get into issues of competence. i mean, everybody's been talking about the drinking and his problems with women, but they haven't really talked about competence. in the case of hegseth, for example, why don't they ask him about how is artificial intelligence going to affect war fighting? what are we going to do about readiness

retention? i mean, i didn't hear those types of questions about what our needs will be for the coming conflicts that i hope don't happen, but to prepare for them. i didn't hear any of that. and the few times there were questions, you know, we didn't get much of an answer. so i think that was a real, for me, a disappointment in this whole hearing. it wasn't substantive enough. it was really more gotcha. and they wanted to get him on all his personal problems, but not really address the substantive issues that this department of defense is going to be facing going forward. >> you aren't alone in that argument. but let me ask you, amicia, do you expect hegseth to be confirmed? and i'm curious, your biggest takeaway from the hearings so far? >> i absolutely expect him to be confirmed. i don't think that there is going to be a smoking gun that comes out now, after the fbi has already done its investigation into. i agree with charlie dent here. it was disappointing to watch some of the questions because as raucous as that man's personal life happens to be, his wife knows who she's married to. and i wasn't here for another real housewives episode. i think it's

most important to put on notice that this is a guy who is fundamentally unqualified for the position in which he seeks, and for a party that continues to say, i basically just gives people a leg up who are unqualified. this is a guy who they opened the door for without paying any attention to the fact that not only is he unqualified for that level of management experience, that budget, nor the decisions that he would have to make. this is a guy who literally ran two veterans organizations into the ground. >> okay, stick around you two, please, because we have more to talk about. and that includes donald trump's many promises for day one of his presidency. we'll get to that. but now to some breaking news. less than 24 hours before israel's ceasefire with hamas is set to begin, a new warning from israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu that he has the right to return to war. if negotiations with hamas are fruitless. the latest sign of the precariousness of this truth truce, rather, as phase one, is set to begin in gaza at 8:30 a.m. local time, that's 1:30 a.m. eastern time tomorrow, let's go to nbc's raf sanchez

and hostages square there in tel aviv. so, raf, last hour, netanyahu gave his first address to the nation since the announcement of the ceasefire agreement overnight. what did he say? >> so, alex, at this point, we are less than 12 hours from when this ceasefire is supposed to begin. and we are kind of in limbo because netanyahu said that hamas has not provided the list of the three female hostages who are due to be released tomorrow. and he is saying that if hamas does not abide by this agreement, it is not going to go forward. so there are a lot of anxious people here in hostage square who have been gathering for 15 months now demanding the release of the hostages. they are hoping that that is going to begin tomorrow, but there is an uncertainty hanging over this. all right. now, netanyahu also talked about the role that both the president's administration under president biden, but also the incoming administration

under president trump, played in bringing this deal about. take a listen to what he had to say. >> both president trump and president biden have provided full backing to israel's right to resume fighting to resume combat. if israel reaches the conclusion that the negotiations over the second stage are pointless. i truly appreciate that. >> i also appreciate the decision of president trump to lift all the remaining restrictions on the providing of essential munitions and weapons to the state of israel. >> if we need to resume combat, we will do so in new ways, and we will do so with tremendous force. >> now, netanyahu talked about resuming combat there, and that has a lot of people very worried because, as you know, alex, in this first phase of the deal, it is only 33 of those 98 hostages who are due to come out.

netanyahu has said repeatedly in public and in private that he is not prepared to end this war. and that raises real questions about whether he is going to be willing to go from phase one of this deal, that six week ceasefire to phase two, which would see the war ending in its entirety, and the full withdrawal from of israeli troops from gaza. so many, many questions hanging over this agreement right now. and as i said, less than 12 hours until it is due to go into effect. >> alex, ralph, you've covered this region for so long. can i just ask you what your gut tells you, what your sense is based on what you heard from benjamin netanyahu over this last hour? >> my instinct is that this agreement is going to go ahead tomorrow. president elect trump wants it. president biden wants it. polls show a majority of israelis want it. it is important to netanyahu domestically that he not be seen

to be going easily into this deal, which involves bitter pills for israelis, especially on the right, his domestic political base to swallow. it involves the release of some 2000 palestinian prisoners, some of whom have terrorism convictions. so my feeling at this point is netanyahu wants to signal to his base that he is not going easily, but hopefully, hopefully this deal is going ahead tomorrow. >> i hope you're right, and a lot of other people do too, my friend. thank you ralph. what donald trump is really going to deliver on in his first week. it already looks like one thing is already looks like one thing is off the table. we're back in when you're a small-business owner, your to-do list can be...a lot. ♪♪ super helpful. ♪♪ [ cheering ] what are invoices? progressive makes it easy to see if you can save money with a commercial auto quote online

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mall to protest president elect trump's second inauguration. >> now, i spoke with folks here about where their movement goes from here. >> what resistance 2.0 looks like. >> i spoke with a man named nathan who came from new york, who told me that there's not a clear leader in the resistance movement. >> that was a clear theme in the conversations i had here today. but he was still feeling inspired and hopeful. >> take a listen. >> this is what democracy looks like, right? >> it's part of a chant, but it's part of how we continue to make a good nation. we're here at the ground level, and we know that choosing one leader is can be cultish, right? much more interesting, isn't it, that we're all here without a single leader, but still with the same concerns for our country and for

democracy? >> and alex, that really captures the mood here today. >> folks are out here for the issues. >> they're not here for one specific leader. and so where the movement goes from here remains to be seen. >> but there's still some energy. and people are out here protesting the second trump administration. >> alex. >> hey, listen, they mean business if they're braving that kind of cold. thank you so much for that, julia. so back with you right now, nisha, misha cross and charlie dent as promised. charlie, there is great anticipation because trump has made numerous campaign promises for day one. what do you expect trump to actually get done on the first day? look, it's safe to say he's not going to end the ukraine war on monday, as he promised. so let's let's extend the window to the first week with this question. will january 6th pardons be first? >> well, i think he's made 10 or 11 promises of things to get done on day one, including ending the war in ukraine, of course, which is not going to happen. right. he's made

promises on immigration. >> i suspect he may issue some sort of executive order on immigration on day one, or closely after that. >> he's made noises to about dealing with transgender issues, transgender participation in sports, gender affirming care. he's also said tariffs i think 25% tariffs on canada and mexico. so let's say he does all these in week one. that will be a very busy week. and there will and i don't think it will be a particularly popular week for him because some of these policies will not be well received. he's going to dive right into it. but as i see it, you know, i expect something on immigration. we'll see if he does something on tariffs. he's not going to fix the ukraine war in a day. and maybe he'll put something out on on the transgender and ev mandates. but beyond that i think it's going to be pretty hard to get too deep into so many of these issues. >> amisha. as for president biden, he's had a very busy couple of final weeks. he canceled more student loans, commuted death row sentences,

extended temporary protected status to nearly a million immigrants. he also issued a statement saying he considers the equal rights amendment, ratified as the 28th amendment to the constitution, although that matter is certainly far from settled. but how much might this overwhelm trump if he wants to undo actions by biden, on top of his already huge claims of what he's going to accomplish starting day one? >> well, i think that trump has a very robust list of things that he wants to do. and for someone who has argued for decreasing the size of government, it's going to be interesting to get any of those things done with a radical reduction plan for government and its processes. with that being said, immigration is definitely going to be one of his top plays. that's what he ran on most feverishly, and i think that he's definitely going to issue some executive orders within the first couple of days that strike very hard at that. in addition to some of his some of his culture war issues when it comes to lgbt members of the community, when it comes to trans and sports, when it comes to his anti dei policies, i think that we're going to see more and more of that take

shape. but there is no way on god's green earth that of the 600 things plus that he's listed, he's going to do within his first week, he will accomplish half of them. what he will do is issue a ton of executive orders that, for the most part, are going to be very difficult to enforce, and he's going to basically run amok around the media because that's what he loves to do get attention and have them chase his tail. >> that's true. let's look at wednesday's farewell address, charlie, in which biden warned an oligarchy is taking shape in this country and expanded on that a bit with my colleague lawrence o'donnell. take a listen to what was said. >> well, look. if the decision is made that the multi-billionaires, the super, super wealthy, the wealthiest people in the world began to control all the apparatuses from the media to the economy. and who do i get to fight back?

>> for me, i mean, this comment is top tech and social media ceos. they're going to be attending trump's inauguration. they're going to sit in places of prominence alongside elected officials and cabinet members. look at that group. it includes who elon musk, jeff bezos, mark zuckerberg, apple ceo tim cook. what does their presence and position say to you? >> well, i'm not one who's saying that this is the new oligarchs. i'm not so sure i buy that. but what i do think these business leaders are doing is they're trying to position themselves with this new administration. they have shareholders that that expect results, and they want to get on the right side of this administration. it's as simple as that. these these guys are being ruthlessly pragmatic. i don't think most of these folks have a great admiration for donald trump, i really don't i mean, zuckerberg and bezos and others, i think they've had rocky relationships with him in the past. they want to have a better relationship to protect their business interests. it's as simple as that. most

businesses will probably try to do that as well. get on the right side of this administration. so i'm not ready to say, you know, the sky is falling. we have a, you know, a new oligarchy. but this is what happens when there's a new president. and many of these business leaders are fearful that donald trump will target them. >> and that's one reason why they're trying to get on his good side, prevent that from happening. >> amisha, last quick question to you that being one person notably not attending the inauguration is our former first lady, michelle obama. what's your reaction to that? >> i think that it is smart. she is doing her job. michelle obama spoke very realistically about the threat of trump at the democratic national convention in chicago just a few months ago. she talked about how much he, you know, pushed this hatred of her family up to and including saying that her husband was not an american, acknowledging and, you know, pushing this narrative that he might be muslim. and that's a scary thing, you know, trying to create a level of fear and ignorance around black people and black people's success, specifically because he did not want to believe that two harvard

grads were smart enough, or that they deserved to be there, or in the position of power that they both encompass while he was in the white house. it's a very smart play, and i applaud her for doing it because she's put up with enough and it is over. >> yeah, she doesn't take any nonsense. you got to love that. amisha and charlie. it's good to see you both. thank you so much. you know, it's winter. i know it's winter, but it doesn't make the numbers on this map any easier to bear. where this winter blast will hit the winter blast will hit the hardest. next. watch your step! that's why visionworks makes it simple to schedule an eye exam that works for you. even if you have a big trip to plan around. thanks! i mean, i can see you right now if that's...convenient. visionworks. see the difference. power outages can be unpredictable, inconvenient, and disruptive to your life, posing a real threat to your family's comfort and safety. when the power goes out, you have no lights, no refrigeration, no heating or air conditioning. the winds are not letting up at all here. we're going to see some power outages. number one thing to prepare for is extended power outages.

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owns the app, which says tomorrow tiktok will go dark for u.s. users unless the president intervenes. nbc's yamiche alcindor is at the white house for us. so, yamiche, the biden administration has just firmly responded to this ultimatum. what is it saying about it? >> well, alex, there's really a war of words going on between tiktok and the biden administration. i want to read to you the latest statement that white house press secretary karine jean-pierre just put out a few hours ago. she said, quote, we have seen the most recent statement from tiktok. it is a stunt, and we see no reason for tiktok or other companies to take actions in the next few days before the trump administration takes office on monday. we have laid out our position clearly and straightforwardly. actions to implement this law will fall to the next administration, so tiktok and other companies should take up any concerns with them. but there's still some uncertainty. here is what tiktok is saying. we've heard from democratic leader on the senate about the uncertainty. take a listen to what chuck schumer had

to say. >> we know a lot of things are up in the air. with the tiktok ban scheduled to go into effect this weekend, but everyone the biden administration, the incoming trump administration, even the supreme court should continue working to find a way, an american buyer, to find a way to find a way to find an american buyer for tiktok so we can both free the app from any influence and control from the chinese communist party and keep tiktok going. jobs of millions of creators. >> so there you have this sort of bipartisan feeling that tiktok should stick around. and president elect trump just told moderator of meet the press, kristen welker, in an exclusive interview that he is likely to give tiktok a 90 day reprieve from that ban. what happens after that is still a question, but he's likely to do that. so this is still an evolving story and one that will definitely be keeping on top of alex. >> i know you will. thank you so

much for doing that. yamiche. joining me right now is former virginia congressman, former january 6th select committee senior advisor and former air force intelligence officer denver riggleman, and a good friend to us. so, denver, let's get into this, because assuming the tiktok ban takes effect, was this the right call by congress and the court? i mean, how significant of a national security concern is china's ownership of this app? oh my goodness. >> well, first of all, absolutely, you had a unanimous decision by the supreme court. but i want to say something very quick, alex, is tiktok complaining like this is that's very rich. based on their bans of social media platforms in china. that's the first thing. this really is more of a trade war than a first amendment war speech. war. what else you have, too, is when you're looking at this 90 day extension, that's possibly going to happen based on donald trump and what he said today. that's actually to allow the friends closest to him. i would say, alex, the top people who actually gave to his inauguration fund to see if they can actually get enough funds together, enough people together to buy tiktok. i think the third

thing, too, when you're looking at this tiktok has been incredibly successful in content creation, incredibly successful in monetizing the type of content, right? incredibly successful, proliferating across the entire us ecosystem. but it's also been incredibly successful at data mining, enhancing criminal activities, even to the point, you know, of things that happen with children and things like that. so you also have a very awful disinformation network that actually also lies inside of tiktok. so for me, as somebody who is an information ops, but the data mining operation and the criminal activities, i think that's something we really, really need to look at. but i had a little bit of a different take. i thought we should keep tiktok actually put much stronger data policies around tiktok, but also identify those bad actors and actually use it against them. so i have a little bit of a different take on it maybe, than other people. i look at tiktok as a collection platform for criminal activities. also, rather than just content content creation. so this is a huge thing. if tiktok does go away, it's really no skin off my back. but as far as content creators and things like that, i think it is pretty

awful. you know, the people that are monetizing in a good way don't have access to that network. >> i do appreciate, though,you'e perspective and sharing that with us. let me move to the wall street journal, which reports some republican senators have reservations about the qualifications of trump's pick for director of national intelligence, tulsi gabbard. in meetings, the former congressman reportedly couldn't clearly articulate the director's role and was confused about a key national security surveillance power. add that to concerns around her history of promoting kremlin propaganda and meeting with then syrian president bashar al assad in 2017. even so, only one gop senator has publicly expressed concerns about gabbard. so, denver, what are your thoughts on her qualifications, and do you think republican senators will defy pressure from trump and vote against her? >> well, they should defy pressure from trump, because i'm telling you right now that tulsi gabbard is completely unfit to be in any position in united

states government at that level. and i think the word reservations actually equals holy crap. i mean, that's that's actually what people are thinking about when you look at her past meeting with assad, when she didn't even really know what fisa did. i mean, this is somebody who's wholly unqualified. and you look at her past, you know, i know it pretty well. i think it's somebody who shouldn't even be there. i think actually, her name should be withdrawn as far as republican senators, they're going to do what trump tells them to do. i think it's just a lack of courage and conviction on what's right for the american people, because in her, in any position, looking at intelligence data should frighten any real professional, any real american, any real civil servant, any real elected member of congress should look at tulsi gabbard and say she's just totally and wholly unfit and unable to actually withstand the intellectual pressures of the job. so that's that's where i think we're at with tulsi gabbard. >> so, so then you you think that if she you think she's going to get confirmed, then if no republican senators push back? >> yeah, i do, and i think that would be probably the worst confirmation we've seen in the history of that position. yeah,

i can i get clear on that. let me ask you quickly. >> i want to get a question about jack smith, because this week, the special counsel, former special counsel, released his report detailing trump's election subversion case. and among the notable takeaways, smith is confident he had the evidence to convict trump. had that case gone to trial and trump knew his allegations of voter fraud in the election were false, and trump should be charged. despite the supreme court's presidential immunity ruling. did that report deliver what you expected on the legal side? >> it did, but on actually the command and control infrastructure it did. and i think it was woefully lacking on the military ops portion of it. you know, when we talk about the legal, political and the operational and military aspect of what happened on january 6th, all the communications were missed. you know, we had 500 call detail records, 35 million lines of data. but what about the white house phone calls with rally planners? what about the oath keepers texting people like andrew giuliani? where is that? in there. there was a smoking gun in there. if we followed the

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>> well, president biden is seeming right now to be a very wounded and bitter. he's not saying the right things about kamala harris. he's not saying the right things. you know, about nancy pelosi or barack obama. he's sort of sulking and then trying to spin a big legacy for himself. it would have been better to work behind the scenes like he did so well with getting the hostages released in the middle east, with working behind the scenes to get missiles to ukraine by going ahead and signing executive orders for national monuments and the like. but the media rollout of a farewell address after a farewell address with the net takeaway is kind of woe is me, where you have a wall street journal poll. only something like 12% of the american people think he was fit for a second term, and he still hasn't come to grips with that. so it's sort of a sad goodbye. he's doing well. >> the warning during his

farewell address took many people by surprise. here's some of that. let's watch part of it together. >> today. >> an oligarchy is taking shape in america of extreme wealth, power and influence that literally threatens our entire democracy. i'm equally concerned about the potential rise of a tech industrial complex that could pose real dangers for our country as well. social media is giving up on fact checking. the truth is smothered by lies told for power and for profit. we must hold the social platforms accountable to protect our children, our families and our very democracy from the abuse of power. >> look, the notion of a warning on the way out is not new. president eisenhower did it in 1961 when he first mentioned a military industrial complex. but what can you tell us about this approach? >> well, when biden first became president, the entire really tech world was on the democratic party side. and now you're

seeing the tech world turning to trump and even maga. what happened in those four years that biden couldn't keep the tech world as a player in the democratic coalition? obviously, we're all worried about democracy's future, and there is an alarm that we have to worry about. and so it's a fine farewell speech, but there's no policy teeth to it. it's simply, i could do a farewell address right now and saying, we must never kill people around the world. we must never use weapons of mass destruction. >> i don't have power. >> so using those kind of words are just a set up to try to make me look good. and in that way, it's about biden's legacy. >> let me ask you about the way he ended, though, his farewell address with a bit of rhetorical flourish. let's watch that. >> now it's your turn to stand guard. may you all be the keeper of the flame. may you keep the faith. i love america. you love it too. god bless you all. and

may god protect our troops. >> thank you for this great honor. >> you mentioned democracy. it's an important message reminding americans that it is their responsibility to not disengage, to not lose sight of threats to democracy, and to play an active role in holding leaders accountable. but was it an unusual one there? >> i thought it was a very proper way that he ended that farewell address. >> just a big salute. goodbye. i love america, which he does. joe biden's long career for our country is remarkable, and there will be scores of books written about him, memorials about what he's done. he's still going to be around. i hope he builds a presidential library and writes a memoir. but we are in strange, uncharted territories right now. we're in the age of climate change. in the age of ai, and it does take a new generation to rise. you just can't count on ruth bader ginsburg and joe biden in their 80s, because in the end, you were not defined.

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>> they're still asking what the hell happened? >> new this hour, officials in california initiating an investigation into potential causes behind the wildfires there, as some los angeles residents right now are hoping to get back to their neighborhoods to see if their houses survived the sweeping flames. nbc's maggie vespa is in altadena, california, for us. what are we hearing about all this, particularly from residents? maggie. >> yeah, alex. we're hearing that actually, thousands of them are able to get back into their homes, and that's largely thanks to work. like what's happening behind me here. we showed you these utility crews. now you can see and hear the jackhammering happening in this neighborhood. they're basically doing everything they can, scrambling to try and get burned, power lines back up and running, all this electricity equipment back up and running and mitigate the risk here so people can come back in safely and sift through their homes. >> we also have video from earlier today of tow trucks hauling charred cars out of this

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