>> sometimes. great talent is right under your nose. >> on this new hour of a man with less than 48 hours left in the white house, joe biden has some of us asking, what if, with his strong farewell address to the nation, plus fiery confirmation hearings for

president elect donald trump's most controversial nominees and worst of the week, the democratic politician and major corporation bending the knee to donald trump. i'm ayman mohyeldin. let's do it. after a half century in politics, joe biden delivered his farewell address to the nation on wednesday. his warnings about the oligarchy and extreme concentrations of wealth and power were striking, and his remarks on the threat of the tech industrial complex drew immediate comparisons to president eisenhower's famous military industrial complex, warning in his own farewell address back in 1961. take a listen. >> an oligarchy is taking shape in america of extreme wealth, power and influence that literally threatens our entire democracy, our basic rights and freedoms, and a fair shot for everyone to get ahead.

>> now, biden also laid out a powerful agenda, which included changing the tax code to ensure billionaires pay their fair share, eliminating the flow of head and sources of money into political campaigns, banning members of congress from trading stocks and establishing 18 year term limits for members of the supreme court. those are all great ideas. but i have a question. where was this joe biden four years ago? and i'm not the only one who was thinking it. democratic senator sheldon whitehouse posted. now, he tells us president biden speaks out against dark money for climate action and for scotus term limits. i pressed for years for this speech, he added. that was a great speech. had that speech launched the reelection campaign, we would have won. had that speech launched his presidency, we would have saved america. now we fight on. he may be right. and it raises the question, why make this address now? i mean, was it political malpractice to save

his best material, his most progressive positions yet for his goodbye address? are these warnings also new to biden, brought on only by the billionaires and tech tycoons circling mar-a-lago and trump's white house and getting ready to take the country over? or was it impossible to talk about the oligarchy and the tech industrial complex early in his presidency because of all the power they also have over the democratic party as well? these are questions that democrats and other political watchers are left to examine as we say goodbye to joe and say hello to trump 2.0. kicking us off this hour is the man who ran bernie sanders campaign in 2020, faiz shakir. he's also the founder of more perfect union and now a candidate for dnc chair. it's great to have you back on the show. when i hear president biden railing against the oligarchy, which i completely agree with, and the dangerous concentration of wealth and power in the hands of the few, i

actually thought i was listening to bernie sanders here for a moment to a bernie sanders speech. it resonates like that. why is joe biden putting this message out now? and as senator whitehouse pointed out, was it a mistake to not run his white house with this message in full force? >> well, reality has a well-known progressive populist bias here. >> i mean, so we are obviously living in the midst of great income and wealth inequality, and we're kind of slowly slipping into an abyss where it's slapping everyone across the face and you can't ignore it. obviously, bernie sanders ran in 2015, 2016 calling on exactly this problem and wanting us to address it. the sad part for me is that there are actually a lot of instances in which you saw this biden administration taking uniquely bold action against, you know, amazon, when you think of why zuckerberg, quite frankly, is upset with the biden administration because they launched a lawsuit against him to break up the monopoly of facebook. now, i ask you, how

many people know that? you know, when you look at elon musk, he's very angry at joe biden. do you know why? because he didn't get opportunities to go and sit down and talk to him, because biden thought he was a union buster? now, how many people know that? what was the big gap? sadly, during this period of time where you had a lot of actions from the biden administration that i think were taking on corporate power. i mean, you think big pharma with medicare price negotiation, you think the federal trade commission, the crypto world was very angry at gary gensler, and yet very few people knew about that because the political apparatus was not out there in conflict alongside joe biden as the as his administration was taking on corporate power. >> so, i mean, is it even possible for democrats to run against the oligarchy? i mean, there are oligarchs. there are billionaires that support the democratic party. you've got many voters likely to perceive and are right to perceive that the concentration of wealth and power as a problem for both political parties, perhaps it

just manifests its way differently, maybe more overtly. there's not a democratic elon musk running around and jumping up and down on the stage with with kamala harris or joe biden. >> but how do mark cuban, if you remember, i mean. >> yeah, that's true. you do have mark cuban. but how, you know, how do democrats run against the oligarchy when on the elite level, they are part of it themselves? >> yeah. and i think that in this moment it's important as a, you know, as a democrat myself and a believer in the brand, it's in it needs much repair. it's tarnished. it's failing with a lot of people because they told us, quite frankly, to a higher standard than they do the republicans. republicans are the alt option. and they hold us to that, you know, higher bar because they feel in moments of great wealth and income inequality, the democratic party for a long period of time has been the fighter for the common man and woman. it's lineage of fdr and jfk and lbj and those periods of bringing forth, you know, great social safety nets and fighting against corporate

monopolists. that was our long tradition and history and the economic justice primacy of this current iteration of the democratic primary party has been lost a bit. it is not the first things or two. first, two things you'll hear out of the mouths of too many democrats. and we've got to change that. that's that's how you rebuild as a working class party. again, you've got to think about putting that economic justice primacy up top, building a grassroots party really like associating us with fights all around the country when we are taking on wealth and income inequality, like you're fighting housing evictions from greedy landlords, or you're fighting utility rate hikes from big utility companies, whatever the case might be, we associate ourselves with those fights when workers go on strike or when they organize at big plants, we should associate ourselves with those. but too, with too much. we've been sitting on the sidelines and that's got to change. >> let me ask you a question about your old boss, if you don't mind. bernie sanders, the day after the election, senator sanders made this bold statement. he said it should

come as no great surprise that a democratic party which has abandoned working class people, would find that the working class has abandoned them. while the democratic leadership defends the status quo. the american people are angry and want change, and they are right. and yet, senator sanders is also fond of repeating the same phrase about president biden. here's what he told my colleague kristen welker right after the election as well. >> president biden, when he came into office, said that he would be the most progressive president since fdr. and i think on domestic issues, not foreign policy on domestic issues, he has kept his word. and the agenda that he has pushed through has been an extraordinarily strong one. >> how do you square those two statements? on the one hand, the democrats have abandoned the working class. on the other hand, joe biden was the most progressive president since fdr. >> so when you look at abandoning working class, he's very upset about how kamala harris and the team ran that presidential campaign felt, you know, when boeing workers were

on strike during the course of the kamala harris campaign, you didn't hear us talk about that. you didn't hear too many opportunities of going out and standing with the porch workers when they are on strike. during the campaign, you didn't hear a ton of a bold agenda of raising the minimum wage of what's the next iteration of canceling student debt? how are we going to expand medicare? we pushed behind the scenes to finally get, you know, her talking about expanding into home care, which when he when she did the bernie sanders went out and talked about it. of course, she you know, we had urged her to stand with him and talk about that, that that didn't come together. and so he was frustrated, quite frankly, that they preferenced liz cheney and mark cuban as key spokespersons, didn't feel like they were leaning in to working class fights. and we made that argument behind the scenes a ton. and, you know, they made choices and we didn't agree with those choices. now, that said, the biden record was that in our in our views, the biden record was something proud to run on and explain that while we were reducing prescription drug prices, particularly for seniors, let's say we're capping it at $2,000. they're out of

pocket expenses this year because of the efforts that we did. now let's expand it. what's the next iteration or medicare we're improving upon? now let's go to, you know, hearing, dental and vision coverage. what he was pushing the what are the next iterations. let's build on a stock buyback tax that we've now introduced. and we're past that 1%. let's let's raise it you know let's do more. and those were the things that were left on the table. you didn't hear or you don't remember price gouging. but you know, we you had a biden administration doing actions on price gouging. she mentioned that she would, you know, go after a predatory price gouging. and then the fleshing out of that actually got watered down over the course of the campaign. it didn't get escalated. and so those were that's how i would explain the difference. right. it was a course of criticizing how we campaigned versus how we were governing, and the two just didn't match up. >> let me ask you about you and your plans forward. you are running for the dnc chair. what do you hope to accomplish and change if elected? >> well, you know, i'm glad that we have a lot of people talking about working class party, and i find that's the commonality. that's the bridge. we got to do it. so then i question, okay,

well, what are we going to do about it? let's do something different and new. and it has to start with building a grassroots party. i mean, we have to open the doors, invite people in, find willingness to challenge our own brand and our weakness with them, with working class people. and so, in my view, you could use an apparatus of 100 plus million dollars a year in 50 states plus that, i think, you know, if you open those doors, you have an opportunity to go do the things that i've been criticizing. you stand with striking workers. that's a core organizing philosophy. you do digital media around some of these economic justice fights that are going around the country. and god knows we'll we'll have a lot of opportunities with elon musk and donald trump doing a hell of a lot of quid pro quo bidding, that we'll have an opportunity to do content around. but this is a big moment. do we open the doors? do we get out in communities and build a vibrant grassroots network that's about taking on the ruling class, the corruption and political elite of the ruling class? that's what i want this democratic party to stand for. i'm going to pitch the vision. we'll see where it goes. all right.

>> best of luck to you. and anytime you want to come back on the show to talk about it, you got a standing invite, my friend. thank you so much. >> thank you sir, i appreciate it. >> all right, next up, some >> all right, next up, some viral moments and some missed if you have heart failure or chronic kidney disease, farxiga can help you keep living life, because there are places you'd like to be. (♪♪) serious side effects include increased ketones in blood or urine and bacterial infection between the anus and genitals, both which may be fatal, severe allergic reactions, dehydration, urinary tract or genital yeast infections, and low blood sugar. stop taking and tell your doctor right away if you have nausea, vomiting, stomach pain, tiredness, rash, swelling, trouble breathing or swallowing. tell your doctor about lightheadedness, weakness, fever, pain, tenderness, redness or swelling between the anus and genitals. ask your doctor about farxiga today. ♪ far-xi-ga ♪ (♪♪)

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>> sometimes great talent is right under your nose. >> what's your name again? >> the second inauguration of donald trump. morning joe kicks off coverage. then at 10 a.m, rachel maddow and team will bring you key moments of the day, followed by analysis from our prime time anchors as the new term begins monday, beginning at six on msnbc. stay

up to date on the biggest issues of the day with the msnbc daily newsletter. get the best of msnbc all in one place. sign up for msnbc daily at msnbc.com. >> this week, we saw the start of confirmation hearings for donald trump's nominees. many were the most focused on pete hegseth and pam bondi. understandably so. trump's controversial picks for defense secretary and the attorney general, respectively, and those hearings went about as well as you'd expect. take a look. >> donald trump was willing to choose me, to empower me to bring the defense department back to what it really should be, which is war fighting. >> i don't believe the federal government. >> i'm not hearing answers to my questions, mr. chairman. >> the senator from virginia starts bringing up the fact that what if you showed up drunk to your job? how many senators have showed up drunk to vote at night? the only reason why i'm

here and not in prison is because my wife loved me, too. how many push ups can you do? i did five sets of 47 this morning. >> are you prepared to say today, under oath, without reservation, that donald trump lost the presidential contest to joe biden in 2020? >> president biden is the president of the united states. >> is president elect trump eligible to run for another term as president in 2028? >> no, senator, not unless they change the constitution. >> joining me now, christina greer, associate professor of political science at fordham university and author of the book how to build a democracy from fannie lou hamer and barbara jordan to stacey abrams, charles coleman jr. msnbc legal analyst, former prosecutor and host of the charles coleman podcast. and aisha mills, democratic strategist. great to have all three of you with us. christina, i'll start with you. i got to say, it's kind of funny seeing senate republicans go from ranting about so-called die hires and then suddenly arguing in favor of nomination, despite

his utter lack of experience and asking him whether or not he can do push ups, and him boasting that he did five sets of 47, which i still have no idea what they mean. yeah, i'm not even going to ask you to talk about that, but just tell me, what do you make of that whole that whole process? >> you know, eamon, the gross incompetence that was on display and that will we'll see in the upcoming weeks, you know, really worries me as someone who cares deeply about this country and the future of american democracy. you know, this is an audition in many ways, not just for donald trump, but for the billionaires who have decided that they, too, will set up shop in the white house and make decisions right along donald trump, if not ahead of donald trump. and so, as we see pete hegseth, who is, when i say one of the most incompetent individuals for this very important position, he could not answer questions, basic questions for the position. first of all, i don't think anyone watching this program should have any fomo. they

should not have any insecurities. you know, this is we are seeing donald trump just elevating people who are not qualified for the positions that are incredibly important for the future of our nation. and so we're in for a very difficult four years. if some of these people get through these confirmations. >> but he did know the type of bullet that's supposed to go in each rifle and pistol that's issued in the military. so i guess that accounts for some military knowledge, right? i said there has been a lot of attention focused on hegseth and bondi, but here's what scott bessent, trump's nominee to lead the treasury secretary, said is going to be his top priority. >> this is the single most important economic issue of the day. this is pass fail that if we do not, the fix these tax cuts, if we do not renew and extend, then we will be facing

an economic calamity. >> so he wants the tax cuts for the wealthy, and he doesn't want to raise the minimum wage for working class people in this country. >> right. so the economic calamity here is that the government may not be able to continue to fund rich people. getting richer is what it sounds like, because what they also want to do is they want to cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, but then they want to essentially reduce the revenue that's coming into the fed. so i think that what i was intrigued about is how fuzzy the math often is. whenever there's a conversation around government spending and then also tax cuts and something doesn't ever seem to balance out other than the fact that it's going to happen on the backs of the people. and there's no explanation for how that gap is going to be bridged. you know, the thing, though, that i would say is that, you know, i'm experiencing a little bit of deja vu here. i mean, we've gone through this. we know that trump, again, is putting forth

people who are less than qualified, people who have their own agendas, people who want to, you know, make sure that the billionaire class continues to be the billionaire class and doesn't really care about the rest of us. and so my question is, what exactly are the stopgaps that the democrats can put in place to do something about this? and that's what i want to hear more of. >> okay, so that's a great question because that brings me to what i wanted to ask you about, which is more even just in the next couple of days of confirmation hearings. our colleague molly jong-fast has a new msnbc op ed, and she argues it is time for democrats to find a new strategy for grilling trump's nominee, saying it cannot be tempting to use the hearings as a personal sorry, excuse me, excuse me. it can be tempting to use the hearings as a personal showcase or an opportunity to grandstand, but that doesn't move hearts and minds or votes. so taisha's point. what's the way forward here? besides, just like viral videos that we see and then keep moving. >> well, i think i used to hit the nail on the head.

>> you're talking about moving in a attention economy where people get points for the virality, for the clicks, for the likes, for the shares. >> and so these moments are created, but nothing substantively is retained. and i think with pete hegseth, this is a very critical point because we heard from him throughout his nomination hearing a number of times, the notion of meritocracy and its importance of meritocracy and what i don't think enough viewers and even some of the senators were actually understanding, was he was in his speech, in his responses, essentially conflating meritocracy with mediocrity. and i think that that's very dangerous, because once you start planting that seed, not only for his position as one of the most important positions as part of government, but just in large, writ large with how much that plays a factor in terms of who gets hired in corporate america, in government, in nonprofit spaces, all of these things matter. so they shape the way that we think. i think molly's absolutely right. it has to be a

conversation that returns to the notion of substance and what is actually wrong, not just trying to have a gotcha moment that's going to get you clicks and likes on tv. >> and the problem also is, you know, on one hand, republicans have created this narrative where when you get somebody who is mediocre, like pete hegseth, then he's a disrupter and an outsider, and they know how to spin that to their advantage, to say, oh, he's going to come in and shake things up. and it's precisely because he doesn't know anything about the pentagon or anything about the military as a strategy and all that, that he's going to be good for it because he's an outsider and a disruptor. when you say to somebody, you're an outsider and a disruptor, or you're bringing somebody outside, they for democrats, they'll say, oh, that person is a di hire or is not qualified to have that job, doesn't have the experience for that job, right. >> and that's the thing is that being an outsider should not beget you. having the information necessary in order to do the actual job, not having been through the pipeline, if you will, of what it is to be an insider in washington or someone who's a beltway person does not then forget you from having the qualifications necessary to

actually fulfill the position for which you've been appointed to. and i think that that is an important distinction that people have forgotten here and in that narrative spin and that sort of control of what it is that we say about these people. >> depending on what side you fall on, people fail to make that point. >> christina, i want to turn to a piece from peter rothpletz, a former producer of mine on this show, who argued in the guardian this week that it's time for democrats to make the next four years of republican governance as grueling as possible. he writes, do not vote for a single cabinet nominee, even those who qualify as adults in the room. sorry, marco rubio, is it time for democrats to borrow a page from the gop playbook and be obstructionist? is that where our politics have now become? the opposition should be obstructionists? >> i don't think it needs to be obstructionist or obstructionist sake, but to the points that have been made, i mean, these are grossly unqualified people. >> besides, you know, their skin tone in many ways. that's the only reason why donald trump thinks that they're qualified. so as long as democrats can

articulate to the party why they're being obstructionist, then they should go that path. but to aisha's point, we cannot repeat the same four years that we had with donald trump. we have been here before. the difference is the first time with donald trump, he actually did have some qualified republicans in his orbit and in his cabinet who actually cared about this nation and put some stopgaps in place and didn't let him run roughshod. this time around, he knows better than to put those individuals there. so it is incumbent upon democrats to make sure that they don't use old strategies for new tricks. this is donald trump 2.0, where he has only sycophants in the office. he has way more billionaires who are much more interested, and he has a clearer focus and agenda as to what to do this time around to push forward some of his policies where he didn't know what he was doing the first time at all, because he had no idea what governance looked like when he was first elected as the 45th president. >> all right, everyone, please stick around. it's now or never. what would it take for us to see a second volume of jack smith's report on donald trump before he

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♪♪ and even a small group of lawmakers to see the second volume of jack smith's report on donald trump's retention of classified documents at mar a lago. at a hearing yesterday, district judge aileen cannon, who is overseeing the now dismissed case, doubled down on her pushback against the justice department's arguments for showing it to lawmakers, asking, quote, why is there such urgency to disclose this to congress right now prior to the conclusion of the criminal proceeding? what's the upside of doing this right now? maybe because it's now or never judge. i mean, this week, democrats on the house judiciary committee urged attorney general merrick garland thursday to take all steps to publicly release the classified documents report, including dismissing the remaining criminal charges against trump's co-defendants in the case. they write, quote, the

public interest now demands that the president elect must not escape accountability to the american people. christina greer, charles coleman jr and aisha mills are all back with me. i'm christina. we're now just two days away from trump 2.0, and aileen cannon appears very likely to keep blocking the doj from releasing jack smith's classified documents report. what is the significance of that move and preventing it not only to the public, but select lawmakers from seeing volume two? >> well, obviously, you know, i defer to the lawyers here, but, you know, there's clearly information in that report that would behoove americans to know, and it should be on the public record. but i think so many americans, especially democrats, feel like the horse has left the barn. we have a convicted felon who will be inaugurated on monday. if merrick garland were to act, and jack smith, many argued that it should have been months, if not years ago. so there's a frustration on the democratic side that this important, albeit this information, albeit incredibly important, is in many ways a

little too little, too late. i think many americans already know that donald trump is guilty and has committed many of the crimes that have been laid out in various proceedings. the fact that merrick garland and jack smith want to bring this to light, or specifically merrick garland, want to bring this to light. now to what end? donald trump will be sworn in as the 47th president. it needs to be on the public record. yes. but will he have any accountability? will it sway any republican members of congress? no. will he change his behavior? absolutely not. will he feel emboldened? because now we know, and he can still do whatever it is that he wants to do? absolutely. do his supporters still support him, knowing the crimes and misdemeanors that he has committed and will most likely continue to commit? yes. so this is where we are in our american democratic process. and many would argue that there were four years to bring this to light and possible prosecution. and democrats missed their opportunities, specifically merrick garland. >> aisha, let's talk about the position garland finds himself

in here. he's already given his farewell speech. are we likely to see him? and should he find a way to make this report public, if not to the to the american public, certainly to lawmakers who should know what donald trump was accused of doing? >> look, christie said it best. there's a whole lot of shoulda, woulda, coulda. and a lot of it is on merrick garland's shoulders. i mean, i think that many of us wondered what was happening at the department of justice, why so much of this felt sluggish to the american public, including the january 6th piece of it, too. i mean, there's so many things that weren't happening that it's interesting that, you know, less than 48 hours now before trump is inaugurated again and there's absolutely no lever of accountability to hold him in any type of judgment for all of the things that he has done, that this is the thing that the democrats are writing letters about and talking about. of course, everyone should know what the record says, and he should not be allowed to bury

it. but to what end is the question? and, you know, at this point, it does feel very much like a day late and a dollar short. and i am reminded again with deja vu, all of the hours that went into the impeachment trial and all of the biggie quotes that hakeem jeffries quoted so eloquently, i remember all of the, you know, attacks and on donald trump, that literally teflon don just kind of shrugged and they've all fallen by the wayside. so my question is, now, instead of spending all of this time in breathlessly trying to find some way to keep pointing a finger at the boogeyman that americans reelected because we already know he's a bad guy. what are the democrats going to do to create some type of solutions for the american people that feel proactive, that we can all get behind? because i think everybody has a little bit of the anti trump and anti maga fatigue. and you know, there's not a lot of place to go with this. and frankly i don't know

that it's going to win the midterms by pushing this issue. >> what do you make of what ayesha was saying there? i mean obviously we're all looking forward in terms of, you know, this has happened in the past. knowing what happened in the past is important, but at the same time, just simply knowing it is not necessarily enough to either run a campaign on two years from now and probably not going to do much, legally speaking, in holding donald trump accountable, i think both ayesha and christina hit the nail right on the head again, and it's no surprise because they are exactly right. >> anybody who is watching this movie has seen it before. in 2015, we saw donald trump come down that escalator and we saw hillary clinton and her campaign spend the lion's share of their time pointing across the aisle saying, he's so bad, he's so bad, he's so terrible, and not selling the american people a vision that they could buy into. they lost the january 6th special commission that was that was commended by congress, put forth all the information

possible to show just how terrible, just how bad, just how connected this huge grift that led to the big lie that led to january 6th and the insurrection happened. donald trump was impeached not once, but twice. all this time, democrats have spent their breath yelling, he's terrible. he's awful, he's a crook, he's shady, and he got reelected. this is not a winning strategy, and it only illustrates just how out of touch democrats are with respect to the messaging and their messengers, to the public, and what the message that the public wants to hear, the american voting public has shown that democrats are not resonating with what they're trying to push. i do agree that as a matter of record, this is something that should be put out. that is something that should be sort of maintained so that people understand and history is clear. but in terms of its impact, yes, that train has left the station. this is too little, too late, and you don't send ammunition to a gun fight after the battle has been lost.

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content on the app. my panel is back with me, charles. we've seen trump cozying up to the tiktok ceo. he's reportedly exploring backdoor deals to potentially save the app from, you know, shutting down. i guess from a legal standpoint, what do you make of this 90 day extension and where the situation goes from here? >> it's unsurprising. i think, that the safest bet is to wait for the supreme court to actually weigh in, which hasn't happened yet. we're waiting to hear, like, what it is that they end up saying, if anything. >> so the two decisions that have already come out saying, like it should be uphold the ban, that that part of it is a piece of what i think ultimately calculates into trump's strategy. >> and what i mean by that is sort of laying laying that out, giving them the giving him the foundation to make that sort of decision and playing the long game, if you will, to sort of assess where he takes a hit if he actually goes through with it. and i think that that's something that he knows he has to do because of the level of popularity that this app has and

making this decision coming in. there are so many other things that he's going to be able to focus on other than tiktok by this 90 day extension is not going to hurt him. >> and so i think that the long term calculus is, look, play the medium to long game, allow the courts to weigh in, allow the public to weigh in, and then assess what sort of political capital i'm going to have to expend either way and then make my decision. >> ayesha tiktok, like many social media apps, is a tool for freedom of speech. trump suddenly seems to care about that. based on his recent comments about the app. meanwhile, he got mark zuckerberg, who has scrapped facebook's fact checkers as he warms up to trump and even throwing him a party this week. if trump saves tiktok, are there concerns that the tiktok ceo might change how the app operates as a tool for journalists and citizens and others in a way that could ultimately benefit trump? the way that we've seen facebook capitulate. >> well, it seems like all the social media that ends up

they can to pretend that this is a platform and a medium for everybody to have equal voice, but ultimately creating algorithms that that create a dynamic that is otherwise. i think that here's the thing that we're not talking about, though, when all was said and done last year, when congress thought that this was a great idea, by the way, this was one of those issues that americans weren't crying out about. nobody asked for this. but when they realized, oh, national security threat, this is going to be a thing, we think people are going to like it if we stick it to china. they didn't realize that, what is it, 170 million users or something like that. voters in america actually get their news all day, every day are thumbing through tiktok. so this idea that a bipartisan, you know, ban is about to happen isn't going to be pretty for anybody when it comes to these members of congress having to stand up in front of their constituents over the next year and explain or try to explain why it is that they got rid of the most popular tool in their hand, which, frankly,

people are using tiktok as a tool to learn things, get information. and now it's potentially going to be gone. i don't think that anybody thought this out. i don't think that anybody actually talked to real humans who use it and thought about the impact this was going to have on an entire constituency. i'm also shocked that there are not buyers who have already lined up to snatch this, which makes me believe, because, you know, i have a little bit of conspiracy theorist in me that donald trump is playing a long game and in some way, shape or form, this long game is going to pad his pockets. when it comes down to u.s. company acquisition of this platform. well, i should watch that. >> yeah, it's definitely worth watching. but i guess, you know, maybe bytedance doesn't want to sell tiktok. maybe. i mean, even though they realize that there's a lot of money to be made in america, being forced to sell it to an american company is maybe a tough pill to swallow, because then they just have no interest in it, right? they're just going

to have to sell it. and i guess i've been following this debate and i'm i don't get it. i don't understand, you know, we live in a society where and we're talking about this a little bit, right? our data is being surveilled by american companies probably a lot more than tiktok. i don't understand why democrats pretend to care about china surveilling our information, but don't care about american companies that are doing the same with our data. is tiktok doing something different with our data that american companies are not doing? >> they are not. and i think that what you've just illuminated is the larger chessboard that's at play. that's why you have enter mark zuckerberg. that's why. because if you look at it in terms of a comparison, meta actually requires acquires far more user data. that is in the same vein as tiktok does, but meta requires more of it. but yet and still, you have mark zuckerberg, who's essentially trying to play as nice as he can with donald

trump so that all of the attention stays on tiktok. if as long as this is framed from the standpoint of being a national security threat, right? people are not asking the question about, well, who else internally, domestically is acquiring my data and what are they doing with it? and that's exactly what people who are domestic here in the united states, what those tech bros want you not to be thinking about asia. >> a quick reaction from you. i mean, i believe in american citizens. i believe that they should be able to make the decisions of what they consume. i have faith in that. they have the ability to discern what is right from wrong in terms of information. but this idea that somehow our information and data is exclusively allowed to be surveilled and stolen by american companies, but not by foreign companies seems somewhat ridiculous. >> it is completely hypocritical. and there's another piece here is that we're getting back into this debate on whether any kind of web based or internet tools or apps are actually media infrastructure, and how they should be treated under us law. and that's a whole

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visionworks. see the difference. pretenders edition. first up is professional contrarian democratic senator john fetterman, who visited the incoming president at mar-a-lago last weekend. afterwards, trump described him as fascinating and praised him for not being liberal or conservative, just a common sense person, which is beautiful. but hold on. this is the same trump who accused fetterman without any evidence of abusing cocaine, heroin, crystal meth and fentanyl during a campaign rally in the senator's own state of pennsylvania back in 2022. oh, what short memories we have at the time. fetterman's campaign responded by calling trump a desperate and sad dude. man, how the tables have turned on the corporate side. coca-cola's ceo presented america's biggest diet coke enthusiast with his very own one of a kind bottle with a sketch of the white house and

his inauguration date. trump's deputy communications director bragged it was the company's first time marketing such a milestone. only that wasn't true. coca cola has actually been creating bottles commemorating presidential inauguration since 2005, but this is the same company that condemned donald trump four years ago over the january 6th insurrection, which it called an offense to the ideals of american democracy. aisha mills and charles coleman jr are back with me now. charles, who's your pick for worst of the week? fetterman or coca cola? >> i think fetterman has to be it because he was personally insulted in that way. this moment. amen really does call for a moral imperative that requires a level of standing on principle. and while you can say, i need to go work with this person, he's going to be the commander in chief. i have to have a good relationship with him. there's a line, and fetterman crossed it. and so unfortunately, he and pennsylvania got to hold that l.

>> i aisha, what about you? >> i agree, fetterman, i think that any democrat who's running down there to mar-a-lago is really condoning the fact that donald trump has decided that mar-a-lago is the new white house, and i completely disagree with that. i think it's ridiculous that people are buying into it. and so just the fact that he went is a problem. i also get that the dude wants to keep his job right. we just saw the bloodbath that happened in pennsylvania and he's like, oh, i guess i better get on the right side of the republicans in my state so that i look good when my turn comes. >> let me mention one other one and get your thoughts on it. mark zuckerberg not only will he attend trump's inauguration, he will also be hosting a black tie party to celebrate, along with some high profile republican donors, one of whom, miriam adelson, wants trump to support israel's annexation of the occupied palestinian territories. what do you make of mark zuckerberg's maga transformation here? asia?

>> i mean, look, the guy may be a tech genius, i guess, but he's always been, to me, morally vapid. i've never expected mark zuckerberg to have deep values or to be a social leader or a political, you know, thought leader in the country. he's going to go whichever way the wind blows. and he's generally had people around him that have moved for him and followed those winds. and now that he's out there talking for himself, i think most people just want him to shut up. >> he's got a, i guess, extreme makeover look that he's rocking these days with the necklace out and the and the baggy t shirts and the and the long hair. he's as joe rogan said, he's looking bigger and he's got a thick neck. >> he's going full, bro. and if you can't beat him, if you can't beat one of them, try and join them. and if not, just support him and throw him parties. and that's really what we're seeing from mark zuckerberg. he's not that guy. he's never been that guy. he's just been trying to be like ufc bro now, right? how do i stay relevant? and then how do i keep my platform alive so that

i can continue to build the type of wealth and amass the type of wealth that i've done? and that's all he's doing. and so if you can't beat him, you join him. >> let me close out with what we started the show with. and that is this kind of warning that joe biden left us with oligarchies on our doorstep. did he miss an opportunity to walk the walk over the four years that he was in power? i mean, i think i watched that and i was like, i am totally in agreement with joe biden. i am glad he said that, that he warned us about this, you know, tech industrial complex that is at our doorstep and undermining our democracy. but did he do enough? could he have done more than letting it get to this point? >> you know, i was watching your first hour and i heard maurice talking a little bit about this. i think that whether it had been president biden or the democrats writ large, still have a deep messaging issue in this kind of anti billionaire anti 1%, like really making the case for the american people about how this extravagant wealth being compartmentalized in the top 1% of, of people in this country is

problematic for the rest of us. and so yes, i think he missed the ball there generally. and i think the democrats have some messaging, you know, to work on. >> all right. aisha mills, we're going to leave it at that. thank you so much charles coleman jr. good to see you as always my friend. always appreciate you. thank you for being here. back thank you for being here. back in a sore throat got your tongue? mucinex instasoothe sore throat medicated drops, uniquely formulated for rapid relief that lasts and lasts. that's my babyyy! try our new sugar-free cough drops. instasoooooothe! -what've you got there, larry? -time machine. you gonna go back and see how the pyramids were built or something? nope. ellen and i want to go on vacation, so i'm going to go back to last week and buy a winning lottery ticket. -can i come? -only room for one. how am i getting home? sittin' on my lap like last time, ronald. fine, but i'm bringing this. [ whirring ] alright. or...you could try one of these savings options. the right money moves aren't as far-fetched as you think. there it is. see? told you it was going to all work out. thanks, future me.

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