course, what trump is. but to me, all of them have been cosplaying jfk and jackie. and what isn't a hollow pursuit, though? fame may be hollow, but you know what isn't is hope. and what jfk did in that inaugural address was give the world hope again. and right now, as we're on that precipice of getting another inaugural address, and the one you're showing right now is one of the greatest ever written. we all know leadership is not about being in charge. it's about taking care of those in your charge. that's what jfk did better than anyone is unleashing that hope. >> and that's it for us this weekend. thank you for spending part of your sunday morning with us. we're back tomorrow live at 6 a.m. with special coverage of president elect donald trump's inauguration. we'll see you then. >> good morning. it is sunday, january 19th. i'm alicia

menendez with symone sanders townsend and michael steele. today, donald trump returns to washington and prepares to take power. the new details of his plans for day one. plus, fresh off of grilling trump's cabinet picks, senator kirsten gillibrand is at the table and will talk with us. and breaking this morning the cease fire between israel and hamas, now in effect, the first hostages could be released while we are on air. it is a busy sunday morning, so grab your coffee. settle in. welcome to the weekend. >> we begin this morning with breaking news out of the middle east. >> a cease fire between israel and hamas is now in effect. the truce started at 415 eastern time this morning. that was after a delay of several hours as part of the deal. the first three hostages are expected to be released as soon as 9 a.m. eastern. american hostages are

not a part of this first release. joining us now live from israel is nbc news correspondent daniele hamamdjian. danielle, what can you tell us about what happened this morning? why there was a delay. and then what do we know about the hostages that are set to be released? >> yeah. good morning to you. it's a moment so many thought would just never come. but here we are. and the cease fire is in effect now. but as you mentioned, it was supposed to happen earlier this morning at 830 local time. it did not, because israeli authorities say that they were not given by hamas, the name of the three hostages to be released today. and as part of the agreement, as part of the terms, they are meant to be given those names 24 hours before the release of the hostages. hamas replied that they were, quote, technical field operations issues, whether that means that they had issues relaying, communicating the names of the hostages, we don't know. but what we do know that

three hours went by and the cease fire was in effect. but during those three hours, according. to the civil defense, three at least 19 people matters and counts. i mean, they survived 470 days, only to be killed in the last three hours before the cease fire goes into effect. here's what we know about the hostages to be released. they are. ramy gonin, 24 years old. she was abducted from the nova music festival. doron steinbrecher, 31 years old. she was abducted from her kibbutz. >> azar and emily damiani, a british citizen, 28 years old, kidnaped from that same kibbutz along with some friends. >> now, in return, israel will release about 90 prisoners. palestinian prisoners. we don't yet have a list of who they are. women. children. men? we don't yet know. but what i can tell

you is that over the course of these six weeks, the first stage of this, of this deal, hundreds will be released, among them some described by israeli authorities as having blood on their hands. >> others have been held in what's called administrative detention. >> they've not been charged, they've not been tried and they've been held indefinitely. if you ask any palestinian, they will see these people as being hostages, really, of the israeli prison system. and palestinian leaders say that israel has been arresting as many as they can. so they have sort of bargaining chips, as many as they can for this deal. how the rest of the day will unfold. it's all very fluid. it's changing by the hour. but as we understand it, it is still on track for a release, not before 4 p.m. local time here, 9 a.m. eastern. >> well, what can we expect going forward over the next few weeks as more hostages are hopefully expected to be

released? >> well, this is happening on a weekly basis. today is day one. of course, the next hostage release will be on day seven, next weekend, when we're going to see four more hostage hostages released in exchange for more palestinian prisoners. during this time, eight trucks will be going in. in fact, i think in the past hour or so, the wfp has announced that eight trucks have started to go in. there will be a surge in humanitarian aid, desperately needed humanitarian aid. and during those six weeks, we'll also see a withdrawal of israeli forces from the densely populated areas to the east in a buffer zone along the gaza border. and gazans, who have been displaced by the hundreds of thousands will start going back north to the northern part of the enclave. in fact, they've already started today. so next saturday we'll see four more hostages, and then the rest will be released on a weekly basis.

>> michael. >> all right. >> nbc's daniele hamamdjian, thank you so much. really appreciate it. we'll continue to monitor monitor this story throughout the morning. so now we're going to turn to breaking news in washington ahead of tomorrow's inauguration. today donald trump will visit arlington national cemetery before holding a rally in d.c. and at noon tomorrow, he'll take his oath of office in the capitol rotunda. behind the scenes, the trump administration is preparing a flurry of executive orders for trump to sign on day one. in a new interview yesterday with nbc news, trump said it will be a, quote, record setting number of executive actions. his day one agenda includes kickstarting his mass deportation program. he has considered ending birthright citizenship even though it's a constitutional right protected by the 14th amendment. trump also plans to pardon january 6th rioters, has said he can end russia's war in ukraine in 24 hours. and then there's his

economic agenda tariffs and tax cuts, which economists warn could lead to financial disaster. and that's just before coffee. >> maybe i was looking at my phone to pull it up because, you know, our colleague, nbc's kristen welker, spoke with donald trump on the phone yesterday, on saturday. and he reiterated that deportations or priority of his i think that this is important because for so long we heard that from not us, but, you know, other individuals, y'all, that, you know, donald trump is all bluster. >> and some of this is just campaign talk. and there's a difference between what he says on the campaign trail and governing. >> and you have to take him at his word. he has been saying for months what he intends to do. and now we are seeing the ramifications in real time. he is he is quadrupling down, letting everyone know it's not bluster. >> he's very serious about all of this. >> and what's interesting to me, too, is the fact that for some

of his plans, he really is going to need congress, right? he can't actually carry out his mass deportation plan without some type of funding mechanism from congress. which means that republicans, republican senators are going to have to decide if they want to spend a trillion us tax dollars to fund a mass deportation that is going to not only wreck communities in this country, but also wreck the us economy. on the question of the 14th amendment, they know, michael, that they have big legal challenges. they know this is more complicated than they have birthright citizenship. >> for the people that don't know if you if you are born on american soil, right, you are a united states citizen. >> you are granted that right at birth. they want to change it. we don't know the degree to which they want to change it. right. some of the early reporting seems to indicate that if your parent is here in an undocumented capacity, gives birth to you in the united states, you would not be granted u.s. citizenship. that, though that's that's one parameter. you could they could start playing

with the parameters and moving the marker, michael, in a way that includes many more people. and it is dangerous. it is dangerous from its inception. >> well, i think we all need to be prepared for dangerous because there is nothing this crew coming in that they don't think they can do. they have they have spent the last four years building the plan for this. it's called project 2025. we talked about it starting last march, and we warned people what was in it, and we talked about what was in it. and the cornerstone of it are inside that document was the immigration piece, from what i understand to both of your points about what he can't do, because he may need congress, what they're going to do is stress test the system once again. the border will be closed tomorrow by 1230, 1:00 in the afternoon. it's going to be shut down. there are efforts underway to get the military to reinforce that closure of our border.

that's the first step of dominoes that they think will fall. and there is no one there to pick the domino up and replace it and go, no, that's constitutional. you can't touch that or no, you can't do that because it's against the law. who's going to do that? what what republican senator is going to stand up and go, no, donald, please stop. oh, don't. no. not one. what democratic senator is going to be able to say that? i mean, the democrats are all over the map in some of this stuff in terms of how they message up against it. so they know that everything, everywhere, all at once flood the zone, flood the zone. >> that's the stephen miller of it all. >> well, can i just note, though, i do think that it is incumbent upon us and our colleagues within the media apparatus to ask very direct questions, because when you say the border is closed, what do you mean? i think about the san ysidro port of entry. >> no one's going across the border. >> okay, but i think about the san ysidro point port of entry.

>> who where it is the busiest port of entry. there are americans that leave the country every day to go work across the border and come back and so on and so forth. >> and so in what capacity is the border shut down? >> is it shut down for people who are seeking asylum? >> is it shut down? like, i just think that that's the specific question. >> so we actually we don't know because they haven't been specific. that's the point. >> can i also answer your rhetorical question, michael, before we go to break about who it is that's going to stand up to me and who i think it's going to be, i think it's going to be mexican president claudia sheinbaum pardo, who has already gone toe to toe with him. who's going to say, you want to do some of these policies? you need a cooperative agreement with our country. so maybe you're going to have to work with me. all right. coming up, president biden gives his final address to the u.s. conference of mayors. the group's vice president is going to join us next. as mayors all across this country grapple with how to approach the second trump administration later this hour. new york senator kirsten gillibrand is going to join the gillibrand is going to join the table with us here in new ♪

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>> the 93rd winter meeting of the united states conference of mayors is underway. the meeting kicked off on friday with a final message from president biden. >> each of us must be guardians of democracy to restore the strength of our institutions and democracy. the presidency, the congress, the courts all have minimum requirements under the law to deal with those safeguards and a free and independent press. and, yes, local governments. the strength of our institutions depends on the character of leaders like you. and our time together. >> the vice president of the of the u.s. conference of mayors, david holt, joins us now. he's the mayor of oklahoma city. >> mayor holt, it is good to see you. i'm actually quite jealous

that michael gets to be in the studio with you today. let's get into it first. i mean, president biden let you off the charge. guardians of democracy. how are you all planning to work with the trump administration? i know the mayors have a lot of things on the agenda. everything from immigration to housing and everything in between. what's the strategy? >> well, you know, i think you. and by the way, good morning, simone. it's great to see you. and i'm sorry we're not together. but, you know, i think we're the most pragmatic political leaders that there are in the country right now. >> and, you know, the numbers favor democrats. >> when you look at who runs all the big cities. i'm a registered republican, but really we're all kind of nonpartisan. we're bipartisan. and as you all know, we just want to get things done. >> and we are very outcome oriented in american cities. >> and so i think we're entering january 20th with a clean slate. we're not looking back. we're looking forward. and whether

it's democrats or republicans in the us conference of mayors, i think we want to find common ground. >> and i think for us, we think that's hopefully infrastructure and housing. i mean, housing, obviously a major issue facing our country. and we think like there's got to be some common ground there if this administration is coming in really focused on the economy and leaving voters with the impression that they have improved economic conditions. well, i mean, everybody's greatest expense is housing. so how can we work together to address the housing crisis in our cities? we think that's an area of common ground. obviously, we'll see how it all works out. i mean, there's i wouldn't i would be lying if i said there wasn't some anxiousness, but but i think like that's our attitude. you know, there's nobody in the conference of mayors that's wanting to be the, you know, the, the, the face of the resistance or anything like that. you know, we want to come in and with the people have spoken, we want to get things done for our cities. that's always our approach. >> mayor, i got to tell you, you

have been receiving praise from symone sanders townsend, who, as you know, does not get ahold of the republican i will vote for. >> honey, i'm just saying not give empty praise. >> so thank you for being here. and it's interesting to me, oklahoma city has done hard things before, right? this is a city that has recovered from tragedy. it is a city that has led the way on what walkable, transportation oriented cities can look like. and so i think when it comes to a crisis like housing, there is good reason to look at a city like oklahoma city. let me put this in the context of what we are seeing nationally. this is from the us housing survey. the housing shortfall is expected to grow by more than 2 million units over the next five years, unless congress acts. a third of responding mayors reported that more than 50% of households in their city were cost burdened by housing. nearly all mayors reported higher median costs in rental prices, sale prices, and cost per square foot, and without congressional action. more than 4 in 5 mayors expected

that housing affordability, access, economic opportunity and homelessness will worsen significantly. this is the challenge for mayors, right? which is to some degree, you are hamstrung by what your friends in washington choose to do when you meet with members of congress. what is your message to them? about what? effectively addressing the housing crisis that we're seeing all across this country looks like when it comes to federal legislation? >> well, i think the first step is protecting what we already depend on. so there are some pretty significant programs like cdbg, community development block grants. that's a that's a major program that cities use. and we have, you know, a bit of latitude to be creative. and we do a lot of really cool things with those dollars in our communities that have have been helping the housing situation for decades. i mean, some of the rhetoric that's happened over the last three months would endanger those types of programs, right? and that would be moving backwards. and we certainly don't want to do that. so that's a starting point is let's protect what we have.

let's continue to fund those innovative programs that cities have used for decades. and then, you know, beyond that, sure, we would love to talk about whether it's regulatory issues, whether it's actual funding, whether it's tax credits. you know, i think it's kind of a blank slate, but we just want people to come into this new congress and to this new administration with housing as a top priority. it doesn't have to be. it may be the top priority for us. we understand it might be top five for congress or the white house, but it needs to be on the list. it's as i said earlier. i mean, it's the number one expense for americans in their in their household budgets. and it is absolutely a top five issue for americans in general. so it should be for this city. and that is absolutely a place where we can work together. >> mayor, let's let's do a little politics, because i can't have a mayor at the table and not do a little politics. >> you use the word at the very beginning of the conversation pragmatic. and i love that word because as someone who's been in state government, i understand

very much what that word means in terms of the execution of the job. but the politics beneath the pragmatism is, is the balancing act and how you govern as a republican mayor and a lot of cases i know a lot of republican mayors who are running nonpartisan races. so the labels go away. but you're still in this space. as npr is reporting, you know, as the president trump elect, trump takes office again. with the gop now lined up behind trump the most visible internecine squabbles playing out in congress and in conservative circles are instead among those vying to prove their visions are the best implementation of trump's maga agenda. you're in a different space than most who are playing in larger arenas. talk about how you have to balance that in your governing, because, you know, your thing is, i make sure that street

light works, the trash gets picked up and the neighbors around the corner are behaving themselves, right? so there's no loud parties after after a certain hour. but then there's this other side of the job, too, that you're, you know, in in a party or in a political environment that's a little bit more volatile. talk a little bit about that. >> well, that part of it. yeah. >> thank you. and i think what i'm going to say is responsive and i'll do a callback because there's a much longer discussion that symone and i had on this a couple of years ago that you can google and watch, but but the way that most mayors are elected is in a nonpartisan format or kind of a top two type format. and the bottom line is that all voters see all the candidates and all the candidates have to face all the voters, and you don't go through a closed partizan primary. so when you talk about politics and you talk about some of this like party politics, you know, that's the first thing that comes to mind for me is that when i face my voters again in oklahoma city, i'm going to face republicans, democrats and independents. right on the first day of the election. there's no closed

partizan primary. so i can go in building a coalition of what i often refer to as the 70% of normal people in the middle who are republicans, democrats and independents. they have principles, but they're willing to compromise. and it's just a totally different incentive structure than people who are running most for most of congressional seats and governor's offices. and to be the president, they feel like they've got to fear their far right or their far left, because the first step they've got in the next process is a primary right. i don't have to worry about that. and so and most mayors are in that same situation for whatever historic reasons, that's the structure we are usually elected through. well, man, it just makes for such better governance. so when people tell me like, man, why is it that we can't whatever the issue is, you know, guns or abortion, there's like these 70, 30 positions that the american public has. why can't we see those implemented in government? i often pivot away from the issue towards election reform. i'm like, you know what? it's because you're electing people. there you go. >> and if you want on it, mayor. >> yeah, if you want people to

be unifying, pragmatic, effective, like mayors who i think are the best political class in america. yeah. change your elections to elect people the way we elect mayors. >> you see why i would vote for david holt. >> do you see? i see it, i get it, i get it, mayor, i am convinced. >> i mean, i'm saying, okay, before we let you go, mr. mayor, i mean, i have to wonder, did the deportations come up at the meeting that you all have been having this week, specifically because the president elect is promising to target cities? i mean, we already know from reporting chicago is on the list in conversations. i mean, ice is planning the first major enforcement in chicago at right after the inauguration. what was that conversation this week? >> yeah, it's come up. i think a lot of our reaction has been, what is it really? right. it's a lot of rhetoric is, is what's going to happen actually different than normal actions of ice through the years, or is this really something extraordinary? and i think we're in a little bit of a wait and

see approach on that issue. probably like a lot of other issues, is to see what's rhetoric and what's real. i think you opened the show talking about bluster, and we've all seen that. so we're just kind of waiting to see, i think, what's real. but certainly people are anxious and, you know, they want to want to see how that plays out. and we're protective of all our residents, always have been. that's that's a key part of being a mayor. but but we will we obviously also operate under the rule of law and we respect that as well. >> all right. >> mayor david holt of oklahoma city, thank you very much. thank you. we will have much more coverage of donald trump's second inauguration tonight at 9 p.m. eastern on a special hour of the weekend. so y'all got to come back. and then tomorrow morning, morning joe will kick off msnbc coverage starting at 6 a.m. eastern, followed by rachel maddow and the prime time team at 10 a.m. eastern. but don't go away, because right now we have more breaking news from the biden white house after a very biden white house after a very quick break. when you're a small-business owner, your to-do list can be...a lot.

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and i did have an opportunity to see the president, but i went to go see the team that's working on these because i wanted to know if people were still working. and i have to tell you, they were they were working down. and this was, i believe, when maybe it was wednesday or thursday i was there. so i they are working diligently on this. and so while i think some of the other names, like potential members of congress or whatnot, that could be on the list, there are real people out there whose lives are being affected. and i think the white house and the team in there is taking it very, very seriously. >> they are. and one of those real people is from prosecuted from baltimore, maryland. mosby, who we, our colleague joy reid, has focused on, on her coverage of this pardon situation. so we'll see if that becomes a reality as well. next, senator kirsten gillibrand joins the table after a very busy week of confirmation hearings on the hill. plus, we're monitoring the gaza ceasefire. we led our opening this morning on that. we'll have more on. the first hostages could be released in less than an hour. we're going

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notable and shall i say, controversial trump picks. they do not have a date on the hill just yet. that includes tulsi gabbard, donald trump's choice for director of national intelligence, and kash patel, who trump wants to be the next fbi director. donald trump's other choices are coming off a bruising week of hearings. new york senator kirsten gillibrand made headlines by grilling trump's defense secretary pick, pete hegseth. >> commanders meet quotas to have a certain number of female infantry officers or infantry enlisted, and that disparages those women. >> commanders did not meet quotas for the infantry commanders do not have to have a quota for women in the infantry. you said in your statement, you don't want politics in the dod. >> everything you've said in these public statements is politics. i don't want women. i don't want moms. >> what's wrong with a mom, by the way? >> you will have to change how you see women to do this job well, and i don't know if you are capable of that. >> and democratic senator kirsten gillibrand of new york joins us now. she serves on the

appropriations, intelligence and armed services committee. >> senator, good morning to you. the audacity of pete hegseth to talk about standards, experience and the ability to get the job done. your concerns going into this hearing were clear. what are your concerns coming out of it? >> well, he couldn't answer the questions that many of the senators had about his qualifications, about his own readiness to do the job. i had a number of concerns about past public statements that seemed to disparage active duty service members. and if you're going to lead an organization of 3 million personnel, you can't disregard half of them that are serving because they happen to be female, or they happen to be democrats, or they happen to be lgbtq plus, or any other identity or or group that he just he can't denigrate them. >> they're there to serve, to sacrifice. and it just makes him

unqualified to lead. if he doesn't value the service of everyone who's committed to give their life for this country, it's an important aspect of the work that you do, senator, and i appreciate it. >> this the general push to make it very clear, and i love that last part. when we came in, you know, you will have to change your your attitude about women in order to do this job. and you you state, i think rightly, i don't think you can do that. i don't think he can do that. and so what kind of pressure do you see on the other side of this for the senate in its sort of oversight of the department of justice? now the department of defense, national security, with the, the menagerie of misfits that donald trump has served up

to leadership posts in these various agencies and departments. >> so most likely, the majority of his nominees will be confirmed. >> most of them have all republican votes lined up already. >> not necessarily all, but most. i think hegseth, for example, will pass because without democratic votes there might be 1 or 2, but i don't i don't think so. >> and he will have to do the job. >> and it's a very hard job. >> and our job as the senate armed services committee is to provide oversight and accountability, to make sure the decisions that are made with regard to national security, with regard to personnel, with regard to readiness, are the right decisions, and we can constantly be providing feedback, and we write the laws for that will govern the department of defense. >> for example, i spent years, over a decade working with joni ernst and 65 senators in changing how we deal with justice in the military, the

criminal justice system there. those changes are being implemented. it's been up and running for about a year. it will be essential that he continues to implement those changes, so that anyone who serves can get justice in the criminal justice system. >> can you just take us into how the process is working with these confirmation hearings? because i actually was shocked in the hearing to learn that from it was from the questioning of the democratic senators that you all did not have your opportunity to meet with pete hegseth, that he did not come to see you, whereas there were other hearings. pam bondi, for example, she did make the effort to meet with just about all the democratic senators on that committee. and so if the trump team, their confirmations team, are they are they really working to try to work across the aisle to get some of these picks? or is do you feel like it's more of a us versus them situation, which and frankly, that's not how it usually works. >> so it was very unusual that

hegseth was not made available to democratic senators. >> i've always met with the defense secretary nominee before the hearings, because i could have asked him all the questions they asked in the hearing, assess if there were areas of common ground so i didn't have to address it. i only get seven minutes. i had questions about cyber. i had questions about china. i had questions about the middle east. i would have liked to ask all the questions about his perspective on these very hard problems that he will have to address, but there was no time for it. so all i got to do is ask the baseline questions. are you going to support the service members that are serving under you? i mean, that's a basic requirement. can you get your mind around the fact that you are the defense secretary of 3 million people, many of whom disagree with you or are women or our mothers or all these other bizarre things that he said that women can't serve in the military, they can't serve in combat. they're just they're absurdities. and so we had to address some of the big upfront questions because he wouldn't meet with us. however many other

nominees. i've met with a nominee for the treasury secretary, i've met for the sec nominee, i've met with the cia nominee. those are really proceeding in the normal course, and i think there'll be a number of nominees that i can vote for because they are qualified, and they do have the experience necessary to do the job. they may not have the same perspective that i have, but that's the nature of elections. when trump becomes president, he gets to have the cabinet of his choice. and i just have to assess if are they qualified, will they do harm or will they help new york state? >> well, to that point about will they do harm? i want you to take a listen to this exchange with pam bondi about kash patel. >> would you have hired someone into the florida attorney general's office who you knew had an enemies list? >> senator, to cut to the chase, you're clearly talking about kash patel. i don't believe he has an enemies list. he made a quote on tv which i have not heard. i have known kash, and i

believe that kash is the right person at this time. for this job, you'll have the ability to question mr. patel. >> and i'm questioning you right now about whether you will enforce an enemies list that he announced publicly on television. >> oh, senator, i'm sorry. there will never be an enemies list within the department of justice. >> question one. do you believe her? question two. what would you ask kash patel? >> well, i've not met with pam bondi, and i don't know. i don't know if she's ready for the full scope of what attorney general will require of her, but i think my colleagues on the judiciary committee did ask her a very wide range of questions. and i think the one that sheldon just asked her was exactly right. president trump has put himself out as someone who's going to have retribution. he is going to punish his adversaries. and that's why kash patel is so concerning, because if he's going to be the hatchet man for trump enforcing this enemies

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>> new york senator kirsten gillibrand is back with us. lots to discuss before we get into more of the politics of the era. so now it's part of the constitution. it is. give us the give us the 32nd pitch on this. >> so what president biden did is on behalf of his administration, he has essentially published the equal rights amendment, has told the states, you now have to enforce this law. that should have been done by the archivist in 2020, but he chose not to do it. and this current archives also chose not to do it. it's a ministerial job. they're supposed to do their job regardless of who's president, regardless of their own view of the world. and so president biden has sidestepped

the archivist, has made a public statement that this is now part of the constitution. article five only requires two things to be done to make a constitutional amendment. two thirds of the house and senate have to vote for it. that happened in the 70s, and three quarters of the states have to ratify it. the last state to ratify the 38th state was virginia in 2020. so arguably this has been part of the constitution since 2020. it just needed that last formality of being published to the states. >> well, and the stakes have shifted in the wake of the fall of dobbs. >> 100%. so what this constitutional amendment says you may not discriminate on the basis of sex. well, dobbs says women of reproductive years don't have a right to privacy. it doesn't say men don't have a right to privacy. it just says women. and so they can no longer get access to health care. and so, for example, the woman and the man who took their ten year old across state lines and were prosecuted because she needed an abortion, they now have a right of action to sue a woman who's trying to get mifepristone in

the mail and has been arrested or being prosecuted. she has a right of action. the husband, whose wife died in the parking lot, bleeding out because she couldn't get a dnc after a miscarriage. he has a right of action. so any of these reproductive rights related cases, we can now have lawsuits, but we can also have lawsuits about equal pay or title nine or any other discrimination in the workplace or in society. they can sue. now, it is not unusual when we make a constitutional amendment for lawsuits to be filed and people to fight about it. it happened when we passed the 19th amendment. tennessee wanted to take away their ratification. they went to trial. they lost. the court supported the 19th amendment. so now lawsuits will be filed. it will get up to the supreme court. but the reality is, is that women have equality in this country because of these efforts. they deserve equality and they should fight for that equality. if this supreme court says women are equal under the

law, they will rule that. but that is what trump is for. that is what republicans are for. and it will be obvious to the american people that that is mass discrimination against 50% of the american public. >> senator, so you point out for me in this moment, one of the concerns i have about the politics revolving and involving democrats, i would guarantee you that the vast majority of americans, those who would be interested in this issue, don't know about it. and the fact that, you know, the president takes such an unprecedented action that it sort of sits on the side and is not a part of the mainstreaming of his conversation around the rights of every individual in this country. it speaks to a broader issue and challenge that i think democrats are going to have going into the next cycle, even though they'll have the advantage of the in the house, potentially, and certainly the senate, where republicans will

have more seats up for grabs. your you were tapped to lead the senate democratic campaign arm for the 26 midterm cycle. first off, congratulations. >> i think maybe i think it's congrats. >> yes, maybe congratulations on that. there are 33 seats that are going to be open in 26. they're held by republicans, 1313 by democrats. what's your messaging? how are you. what are you giving some thought to? not just, oh, trump is bad, but seriously angering the american people to a governing principle, an idea of why they should move off of maga. as as just reported recently, a significant number of americans like a little maga light in their coffee. so what? what say you, senator, about sort of changing that view of what maga is and isn't, and how governing by democrats will be better for the country?

>> well, i do know how to win in red and purple places. if you look at new york last cycle, i was part of the group that was responsible for creating the first coordinated campaign, and we had seven battleground seats in red and purple districts, and we won five out of seven. and the reason why we won the five out of seven is because we were in the communities two years before the election, listening to what people were concerned about, talking to them directly about what they wanted done, being directly in black communities, hispanic communities, aapi communities, organizing every college campus in the seven districts. and the issues that they're most upset about is they want to see public safety. they wanted to know that we can do something about the fentanyl trade. we can do something about immigration. we can do something about lawlessness and mental health. those were huge issues. and the second issue is they wanted to know that they could afford to feed their families kitchen table issues like the cost of eggs, the cost of meat, the cost of housing. and so the

candidates that ran on those two messages won. so voters want to know that you are listening. they want to know that you care about them, and they want to know that you understand the real challenges they face every day. and i can tell you public safety and the economy, the cost of things, are the still top few issues that people want to be talking about. and so if you're talking about that, then voters will say, ha, they know what's going on in my household. they know what's going on at my kitchen table. they know what challenges i'm facing, and they will trust you to lead for them. if you're talking about issues that are not affecting them in that minute, they they you've lost them. so it's really about knowing what your constituents are about. and you saw that in the senate. candidates that won. you saw it in wisconsin. you saw it in tammy baldwin's race. you saw it in michigan with elissa slotkin. you saw it with ruben gallego in arizona. they were talking about the bread and butter issues that people care about, which democrats have always cared about. but i think what's the nature of our party

is we have so many things we care about. and if we're talking about 100 things, not just 2 or 3. voters don't know that. that is the thing we care most about, and it's them and their families and how we can help them, you know, live the american dream and get every opportunity they need for their family. they will see in the next couple of years that trump did not mean what he said. he's not going to. have you heard him talk one minute about the cost of eggs, or the cost of food, or the cost of housing you have not. you've heard about enemies list, you've heard about retribution. you've heard about tax cuts for the uber wealthy. they are they are not doing what they said they were going to do. and so proof will be in the pudding for them and for us. we should be listening and talking about the things that people are worried about. and that's the economy and public safety. >> well, senator gillibrand, i will just say, unlike pete hegseth, i believe if there is an impossible job to be done, you actually give it to a woman, you give it to a mom. so good luck to you, senator kirsten

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