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start at just 4.99 a month. call 1-888-246-2612 or visit homeserve. com. >> top of the hour with a good day to all of you, for from msnbc world headquarters here in new york. welcome, everyone, to alex witt reports. we begin this hour with the breaking news. two american presidents on the brink of history is a major global crisis plays out in the middle east. new video shows a dramatic return in israel as three women there taken hostage by hamas 15 months ago, were freed as part of the new ceasefire deal. this video has been blurred, though to an extent by the idf. joe biden, in the final hours of his presidency, honors the state that catapulted him to the oval office and pays tribute to the life and legacy of doctor martin luther king jr and donald trump in one of his first official

acts. paying tribute at arlington national cemetery as the clock ticks down to his presidential inauguration at noon eastern tomorrow. we have reporters in place with the latest on all of these historical developments, both at home and abroad. we're going to begin with nbc's vaughn hillyard, who's joining us from inside the capital one arena, where donald trump will be speaking in just a few hours. so, vaughn, we are already getting a preview of what trump is expected to do on day one. what do we know about that? and are we learning anything about the expected tone of his inaugural address? >> right. we're waiting for specifics in terms of those executive orders that he intends to sign. he told our kristen welker on ahead of meet the press that he intended to sign a record number of documents. exactly what those are. it is not clear. but of course, he has had a litany of allies and organizations over the last years that were preparing for what would be a second trump administration, one organization, i was told, that drafted more than 270 executive

orders that he would be able to essentially use his drafts and work through. and, of course, tomorrow he has sworn in just about a mile from where we are right now, down inside of the capitol at noon before making his way back to this very arena. the parade is no longer taking place outside, but instead is happening here at the capital one arena. tonight there is a rally very much in a traditional trump rally sense, but we expect to hear from jd vance, members of the first family, donald trump himself and other allies here from the stage in the hours ahead. of course, he visited national arlington, the national cemetery, just a bit ago, but he will be making his way here shortly. but for donald trump, i want to let you listen to speaker mike johnson, because what the former president and president elect has for himself this go around is a speaker who is unyielding ally of his and mike johnson and republican majority in the senate as well, and a clear ambition as to the

legislative priorities that he wants to tackle in the months ahead. take a listen to speaker mike johnson on meet the press this morning. >> we're going to usher in a new golden age for america. he's excited. we're all excited. everyone walk around the city. there's this sense of anticipation because we know that something big is happening here. i feel like it is the comparison of reagan this morning. i'm moving it inside, i think is apt because it was morning in america under reagan. now we're going to have a new golden age. you're going to hear that hopeful tone, i think, in president trump's speech, in a unifying speech. and i think that's really important for the country. >> of course, when we've heard donald trump talk about unity, oftentimes that is a statement that is co-existing with statements that would sound more like attempts for retribution or getting even. of course, there's a lot of outstanding questions that his cabinet nominees are currently facing again this week up on capitol hill during their senate confirmation proceedings. but for now, this is very much of a celebratory environment

here at the arena for the president elect and his nearly 20,000 supporters that will be inside. but tomorrow is not going to be just a day of pomp and circumstance with the inauguration. but also, as you noted, alex, with a series of expected serious executive orders that will undoubtedly have major policy repercussions not just in washington, but across the country. >> you're 100% right, vaughn, and we'll count on you to help keep track of all of it for us. thank you so much, my friend, and for all of you. make sure to watch msnbc tomorrow as morning joe kicks off our inauguration coverage at 6 a.m. then at 10 a.m, rachel maddow and team will bring you key moments of the day and analysis as this new term begins. special coverage starts tomorrow at 6 a.m. eastern, right here on msnbc. let's go right now ■to the day's other bg breaking news. three israeli hostages, all women between the ages of 24 and 31, are now back in israel as the first day of a cease fire in gaza begins, bringing some hope for peace after 15 months of war. and you

heard some cheering there from the crowds just a short time ago, welcoming those three women as they arrived at the hospital in tel aviv to receive medical care. also there, nbc's raf sanchez at the sheba medical center. so, raf, tell us what happens next for these women. and now what? less than one day in how precarious overall is your sense of the status of this ceasefire? >> so, alex, there are two main threats to this ceasefire, which is just about 11 hours old at this point. the first is that it breaks down during phase one, which we are in right now. this phase is expected to last for six weeks. 33 hostages due to come out. and this phase nearly fell apart before it even began. it was supposed to begin at 8:30 a.m. local time this morning.

hamas did not release the names of these three female hostages, and so israel continued its strikes inside of gaza until 11:15 a.m, when those names were provided and the cease fire did go into effect. between those two times, 19 people were killed in gaza, according to local authorities. there. those are people killed in the very final minutes of this conflict before the cease fire came. so there is a danger if hamas doesn't release hostages, if fighting breaks out in gaza, the cease fire collapses. the other big danger here is that prime minister netanyahu has indicated that he does not feel israel has completed its military objectives in gaza. he wants to see hamas totally defeated. in his words. it's not totally clear what that looks like, but he has talked about resuming this war on the other side of this six week ceasefire. i'll also just say, alex, those three women you're seeing on your screen there, romi gannon, emily

demari and lauren steinbrecher, they are now inside the sheba hospital behind me. they are getting medical care, and this is day one of what is expected to be a long journey to recovery, both physically and mentally. >> absolutely. well, godspeed to all three of them. ralph sanchez, thank you so much. joining me now for more on the return of these hostages is new jersey democratic congressman josh gottheimer, member of the house intelligence and financial services committees. congressman, i see a slight smile on your face because certainly it is a day of relief for these three women. hostages released and the start of the cease fire in gaza. but however, you still have one of your constituents being held by hamas. edan alexander will not be part of this entire first phase of hostages that are being released over the next six weeks. do you, sir, have any sense of when he could be coming home and what his current condition or whereabouts are? >> well, as you pointed out,

alex, it's a significant and emotional day and seeing romi and emily and aaron, you know, out and with their on their way to their families is it's very heart wrenching and something that i hope and pray that we will have adon and the americans coming home soon as part of the 94 remaining hostages that we need to get freed, especially those americans. >> and as you point out, adon alexander, who's now 21, has not seen his family, as you know, in 470 days. and, you know, i talked to the family all the time. they're just remarkable people, incredibly strong and optimistic. but, you know, we know that this first phase, this, this 42 days, that right now, he's not set to be part of that first release, which is why we must keep moving forward here, not take our eye off the ball. we know that hamas has been shameless in their statements, even as we have this pause going on, you know, immediately saying that they

will commit another october 7th, that they continue to celebrate october 7th as as a positive day in their history. so, you know, you're dealing with terrorists here every day, precious as we as we move forward. >> congressman, i appreciate that you describe aiden's parents as being strong and trying to be optimistic, but there has to be a sense of heartbreak that he's not one of the first to be released. i will say we do know. two to be released. keith siegel will be released. we here on this 14th day of the ceasefire, followed by, let's see, that would be carl chen, who will come at some point soon after it's described. we know that siegel is injured as well. but what are they saying to you in private about any disappointment that their son isn't coming home yet? >> well, obviously it's in private, so i won't share the private conversations, but i'll just say that they are just incredible people who are focused as they have been and

kept hope every single day. and as you know, there was a proof of life video some weeks back of we saw adon and you know, and they hadn't seen him in months and months any anything from him or heard from him because as you know, hamas is not allowed at any stage here. the terrorists of any visits from the red cross or any information. so, you know, they just been positive and hopeful and the bottom line is we have to the focus what they've said to me is let's stay focused. let's get and let's make sure that we get through this, that we obviously are able to as, as you see happening today with the pause in gaza, with continuing to focus on making sure we not only protect israel and our allies, but that we do everything to get the hostages home and get humanitarian aid, in which you see surging already, which which is critical. and as part of this process, of course, day 16, i believe they start negotiating that next phase. right? we get to day 16 here, which is critically important. get as

many hostages out in the meantime and focus on getting adon and the others home, including, as you pointed out, the seven americans, including the three that we know we believe are alive. >> yes, that is hopeful for phase two. but you have to get through phase one first. and there could be there could be bumps. is there anything particular that worries you about the next now 41 days, or do you are you confident the cease fire conditions will hold your deal? >> we've seen this in the past. you're dealing with terrorist organizations, right? so you're dealing with with iran, who is an enemy of our country, as well as hamas and hezbollah and palestinian islamic jihad. we saw palestinian islamic jihad already speak out today and say they were going to, that they were going to get in the way and block progress here on, on, on this pause and on this first phase. so what am i concerned about? i'm concerned about anything that can occur when you're when you're dealing with terrorist organizations, as we always have. but listen, we understand the objectives. that's been a lot of work that's

gone into this. and it's a positive day. let's focus on the positive and let's keep focused on the ultimate goal here, which is getting all these hostages home, especially the americans. and i can't stress this enough. hamas, hezbollah, iran, the houthis, which continue to fire missiles and continue to fire missiles as of i believe, yesterday, are their number one enemy is the united states of america. our freedom and our democracy, their death to the usa is on is on the houthis flag. hezbollah has been clear that that's their ultimate objective is eliminating the us. you know, before you know that that that is the goal. israel is a secondary goal to the united states as the number one enemy. so let's focus here on on making sure that we free the americans all the hostages, stand by our key ally, and of course, make progress in the region. >> give me a sense of, first of all, i'm sure in your wildest dreams, on october 7th of 2023, you couldn't have possibly imagined it would extend this

long, this terrible, terrible situation. that said, how how do you view the way the biden administration has handled this? and let's also couple together with the last couple of weeks having donald trump's middle east envoy going there. to what extent do you applaud what appears to be these two different factions from opposite sides of the aisle, working together to bring about the result that we've seen? >> i mean, this is about putting the country first, right? so i believe if we get this done, everyone should get credit, i give some. the biden administration has helped set up the structure over months and months of what? of what we're dealing with today, you know, in getting the hostages home. so and but they've worked very closely with the incoming administration and i think that's a good thing. everyone can get credit if this goes well and the country can celebrate it, you know. but but that's how i look at it. but, you know, we have to keep our eyes focused on the ultimate goal here, which is worrying less about credit and worrying more about making sure

we get it done. the other americans and of course, all 94 hostages home. that's got to be our goal. and let's worry less about, you know, who gets credit. everybody can celebrate when we get this done. >> one last question, sir. that being relative to iran, since you brought it up, senator lindsey graham said that he would advise the incoming president and his administration to target iran's nuclear sites. what is your thought on that and the prospect, i think listen, i've always been very concerned about iran's nuclear ability to develop nuclear weapons. >> and, you know, that has remained a concern. and i think we have to keep the pressure on and make sure that iran does not get a nuclear weapon. that's been this administration's position. and we've got to stick with that. and listen, i think the last couple of months, iran has been greatly weakened. their program has been weakened, as you know, as through certain through attacks. and after iran had attacked israel and israel, responding and i think, you know, we've i think that's

critically important that we keep iran in check. they are the parent company of terror in the region, right? they supply the weapons to hamas and hezbollah, palestinian islamic jihad, the houthis, who continue to attack american ships and our interests and our bases. so, you know, we shouldn't lose sight of who iran, the government of iran is and what they've been targeting. and they're no friend of ours, right? they're part of they're part of the new our new enemy set right with with russia, china, north korea and iran. that's what we've got to focus on and keep a very clear eye on. and so we've got we want to make sure we stand strong against iran. >> new jersey democratic congressman josh gottheimer, sir, thank you for your time on this really important day. i appreciate you weighing in. thank you. >> thanks for having us. thank you. >> donald trump's first day in office. what tangible change we're going to see immediately. and in the first week, perhaps, plus the message in his inauguration speech, we're back inauguration speech, we're back in 90s. when you're a small-business owner, your to-do list can be...a lot.

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arena. is that what's happening? >> hey there. alex. yeah. for about 3.5 hours, the gates have been open and thousands and thousands of people that are waiting outside capital one arena in the freezing rain that has been steadily coming down here, are still waiting to get inside capital one arena. i want to have charles show you a little bit about what this line looks like here, because they're waiting, because of the very significant security presence that is here in and around washington, d.c. this is one of the most secure events to ever take place in washington, d.c, the whole inauguration weekend. >> this is what we call a national special security event. >> it is dc's third of the month of january, and it involves a lot of things that you can both see and unseen here. as it relates to security, we're looking at 30 miles of non scale fencing going around not only capital one arena, but also around the white house area and the capitol itself. we're looking at drones in the sky. we're looking at road closures, we're looking at maritime closures, some very significant law enforcement presence, 25,000 from around the country,

military here, national guard here as well. >> folks i talked to in line, they're aware that it's going to take a while to get into the arena. they're all right with it because of what they've seen over the past two years. take a listen. >> anyone with bad intentions only has to get right once, right? so we live in a world where security is required. >> i was in the navy for 33 years and so it's a lot. >> but i think that in the environment we live in, unfortunately you have to do it. >> i hope it's enough. >> yeah. after a couple, you know, death threats and, you know, attempts to get them, they've got us out there. >> now. >> officials have made it very clear the move inside for the swearing in tomorrow was purely due to the cold temperatures. there is no specific known, credible threat towards anything as it relates to security. >> alex gary grumbach there outside that arena, thank you so much. on the heels of that, we're going to bring in molly ball, senior political correspondent for the wall

street journal. welcome, molly. so tomorrow marks donald trump's first day back in the oval office. he has made a long list of day one promises. what tangible, actual things are we going to see happen immediately after his inauguration? >> well, that's the big question. we've been hearing about a lot of different executive orders that are possible, different plans that could be put in place on day one. we know they want to make a big splash. we know they want to immediately get to work and start doing big things. we don't know exactly which one of these day one promises which ones are going to be put into motion. and i'm especially interested to hear what he talks about in his inaugural address tomorrow and how he, he casts, you know, his, his big vision. given that, as you say, he has promised so many things in so many different directions. what is the tone of that speech, and what is he saying is the sort of animating vision for this, this second trump presidency? so there's a

lot of promises on the table. there's a lot of executive orders that have been drafted, but we won't know until he actually signs them which ones they're actually going to do. >> let's broaden it out to the first week. do you think the focus relies more on domestic or international? because we all remember, he said, that he would end the ukraine war in 24 hours at some point this week, potentially this week, because he said he would do it on day one. let's expand it for another few days and give him a break there. but do you think he focuses domestically, given we know what he's planning to do in chicago, at least the reports of immigration raids? >> yes. although they've walked that back a little bit since we broke that news in the wall street journal a couple of days ago. so there appears to be some back and forth within the coming administration about what, how, where exactly they're going to begin. >> so let me just let me double check the question that the walking back you think surrounds the location or the inevitability of this being done on day two.

>> i think it's the timing and also potentially the i don't think there's any doubt that they are they're looking at chicago, but i don't know if it's something they still plan to do on on day one, we saw, i believe, tom homan in the washington post say that they're they're not sure whether they're going to put that on pause. >> but look, you know, i think you're right to focus on ukraine. i've been struck by how little he's talked about it, given how much emphasis there was on that conflict during the campaign. it isn't something he's talked about very much. he's preferred to focus on, you know, greenland and panama and that kind of thing. and then, of course, he and his advisers have been deeply involved in helping to broker the ceasefire in gaza. so i don't know if we're going to see some action on ukraine or if he's going to leave that alone for now. i think most people understand that candidates promise a lot of things during the campaign, and some of that is somewhat aspirational, but it is something that he very much promised to intervene in. he

very much promised to put an end to that conflict, and we really haven't seen him talk about how he plans to do it, or how much he plans to focus on it. and most of the executive orders that we've been hearing about have been domestic in nature. i think also the fact that he's got this tiktok crisis on his plate immediately, that's obviously going to occupy a lot of his time since he has made some very specific promises that have led to the service coming back online, but it's still very precarious. >> can i just ask you on ukraine, do you think there was any way to look at his promises as being something that he figured he could do as a result of knowing the two leaders involved? in other words, somehow making a personal appeal to vladimir putin and vladimir zelensky because he knows them. i mean, was there anything of substance in terms of analysis or, you know, how they would look at territory, what has been gained, what has been captured, that kind of thing? or was it

purely because he knows them? >> well, look, donald trump has always believed in a highly political idea of international diplomacy and foreign affairs and his own abilities as a deal maker. now, i think a skeptic might point to his first term and say, what did he get out of standing there on stage in helsinki with vladimir putin? what did he get out of giving that great photo op to kim jong un? but he still very much believes in his personal abilitg to accept to stop fighting. and so far they've not wanted to stop fighting. they have not wanted to seek negotiation with russia. so that's something that i think is very unsettled. and we don't know what kind of negotiation would be acceptable to the ukrainians, first and foremost, much less the russians and then the white house, because it isn't our war, it's the ukrainians war. and while, of course, we've taken sides in

it and provided important material assistance, which is going to play a big role in whether and how it continues, you know, it is not completely up to america how to end this war. >> yeah, donald trump does make the first major speech of his second term. that will happen tomorrow morning before heading to the white house, his inaugural address there. what will this message be? what are you hearing about that? and what are the chances, molly, that he does take a different approach than what we heard in 2017 and try to unify the country? >> well, on the one hand, it's hard to get much darker than the first inaugural address, which was which is mostly remembered for that phrase, american carnage and the sort of pessimistic vision of america that that trump laid out in his first term. we haven't heard much in terms of what the substance of the address is going to be, and it's certainly been the case over in recent

years that we repeatedly hear that trump is going to turn the page and be unifying, and then he doesn't follow through with it. so, you know, for trump, unity is always on his terms. unity is people coming to him, not him extending an olive branch to anybody else. but he very much does believe, as he said recently, that everybody now wants to be his friend. and that's been quite gratifying to him to have, you know, the titans of industry and silicon valley and so on, sitting up there on on the platform with him in whatever indoor form it's going to take and his feeling that, you know, he's he's been vindicated by this return, this comeback to the white house. so i think it's going to be a very different speech than we heard eight years ago. and i think it is going to offer some really important foreshadowing for how this term could be quite different than than the first trump term in office. >> molly ball will look forward to having you on frequently to go through what is happening in the second term. thank you so

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restoring service after donald trump said he would sign an executive order postponing the ban. joining me now with more is nbc business and data correspondent brian chung, who's been all over this for us. so take us through what happened, brian, and what happens now. >> yeah, a dramatic 24 hours from not working as of 11 p.m. eastern time yesterday to now. s confirming it. it seems to be working pretty fine. here's the tiktok statement on them restoring services. they say we thank president trump, which, by the way, mimics the language that tiktok users saw as they were able to get back in on this sunday afternoon for providing the necessary clarity and assurance to our service providers that they will face no penalties. providing tiktok to over 170 million americans. certainly a big deal again after the app did go dark yesterday, a lot of people facing a prompt on their phone that says they were hoping that president trump would do something. and again, it appears that that is happening. i do want to now point to again, this is what the message that people saw last night or saw today. we are

fortunate that president trump has indicated that he will work with us on a solution to reinstate tiktok. but i want to point out the reason for why we saw tiktok come back online on sunday is because of president elect donald trump saying just a day before his inauguration that he will issue an executive order on monday, which would extend the period of time before the law's prohibitions take effect so that he can make a deal, adding later on that he's hopeful that the united states could could take a majority ownership in the tiktok us company, which doesn't necessarily outline exactly how that would alleviate some of the national security concerns. but regardless, it seems like this action at least enough to sway tiktok to turn the switch back on that is allowing people to scroll again. but again, what happens from here is very much unknown, because what this executive order looks like, how it navigates a law that was passed by on a bipartisan basis and signed into law by the current president is very much a big legal question. >> alex, let me ask you about the congressional effort to ban tiktok. as you know, it was overwhelmingly bipartisan. are we seeing any pushback now from lawmakers who supported the ban?

>> yeah, we already are. >> as tiktok is, again, available on phones. we heard from senator tom cotton in arkansas saying that now the law has taken effect. there's no legal basis for any kind of extension of its effective date. he actually added on x later on this afternoon, saying that he thinks that a shareholders might lob challenges against this as well. now, i do want to point out that there have been other high rank and file gop congress folks, including the speaker of the house, mike johnson, who spoke to meet the press this morning about the tiktok issue. take a listen. >> i think we will enforce the law. and when president trump issued the truth post and said, save tiktok, the way we read that is that he's going to try to force along a true divestiture, changing of hands, the ownership. it's not the platform that members of congress are concerned about. it's the chinese communist party and their manipulation of the algorithms. >> so an executive order tomorrow could buy more time to make that divestiture happen. although i want to point out again, some of these companies that are offering tiktok on the

app store up until yesterday, like apple, we have not seen tiktok come back onto the platform because, again, the law says there will be steep penalties for those companies if they do offer this app. so it could be a very interesting story for apple and google as well. alex, what a wild 24 hours. >> okay. brian chung, thank you so much for that. and new today we are getting an inside look at who may become frequent visitors to the incoming trump white house. in fact, last night a who's who of silicon valley gathered at a pre-inauguration party in washington, vice president elect jd vance, house speaker mike johnson and texas senator ted cruz cruz. rather, they were among those in attendance. and joining me now we have new york times political correspondent teddy schleifer. he covers billionaires and their influence in american politics. i did say it was quite a beat. so let's bring you on to talk about this, teddy, because you were there last night. you were watching the comings and goings. what and who stood out to you most? >> well, i was shocked when mark zuckerberg walked in. >> i mean, mark has a ton of demands on his time.

>> obviously, he's one of the wealthiest people in the world. and, you know, he just waltzes in, in his black tie and is there to kind of pay respects, in part to peter thiel, a former board member of his company and a longtime mentor to him. >> and i think that sort of just crystallized the moment we're seeing right now where we're silicon valley is, is feeling itself. right. >> there is a network of people who felt sort of they've been iced out of washington really, since the obama era. right. they felt that donald trump obviously had a tough relationship with the tech industry from 2016 to 2020, and joe biden was no friend of these people. >> and now we have a tech industry that at least thinks that this for next four years is going to be better. >> so let's look at the main event. it takes tomorrow takes place tomorrow in capitol hill rotunda. i mean, look, it's a lot smaller than what was expected a week ago. so all these tech billionaires who had vip seats to the inauguration in a much bigger space. will any of them be cut or relegated to less

prominent positions? what do you know about seating charts? >> yeah, i mean, the choreography of kind of the world of high net worth donors is a hard job. >> and i don't pity anybody who has to decide which o get in the rotunda. >> we know that obviously there are, you know, to be to be up to make the obvious point here, there are a lot fewer seats in the rotunda we think has about 600 at least, ordinarily can seat about 600 people. i have no idea how many people they can squeeze in with standing room, etc. but clearly some people who came to the inauguration expecting to kind of get the vip experience, at least at the swearing in, are now not able to. >> and that's just, you know, tough luck and kind of the weather and how and how things go. >> but i can tell you right now there is a, you know, furious lobbying campaign happening to get in the room and, you know, wealthy donors who travel all this way. >> they don't want just champagne in a suite at the arena. >> they want to be able to see

it up close and they want direct access. >> i mean, that's part of what they're paying for, right? so let's talk about tiktok ceo, because we just heard the company announced it's going to be restoring service. the ceo will be there at the inaugural. what is your read overall on that? give me a sense of how unusual, teddy this feels to you. >> yeah, well, it is impossible to ignore the of course, the overlapping timing here, right? >> the precise time that tiktok is, is on the clock is when their ceo is making this this trip to washington and is, you know, seemingly telling the trump administration everything they might want to hear about how lucky they are to be saved by them. >> and i would expect that if shochu were to get an audience with donald trump privately, i don't know that if he is. i mean, obviously trump is going to be swarmed by people who, you know, want to ask for things and wish them good, good, good tidings. >> i mean, trump is going to have to talk to shochu, and shochu would make the same point privately, which is he wants him

to save tiktok. and look, there's a lot of demands right now. i'm very interested to see the lobbying campaign waged by sort of more hawkish elements of the republican party, people that got trump to support the ban on tiktok initially, and those people are now in a fight with shochu. >> that's a lobbying campaign of its own, which might only be rivaled by the lobbying campaign to get into the rotunda. >> yeah. listen, teddy schleifer, i'm going to promote your article on the new york times. if anybody wants to know what the mar-a-lago station served last night, you've got it. and most interestingly, you have the pick for donald trump's ambassador to denmark, ken howery. a fascinating story there. so i suggest anybody interested. look at that. we're going to have you back to talk about all of it. thank you so much. meantime, coming up, donald trump's deportation plans, what are they going to plans, what are they going to look like? when you smell the amazing scent of gain flings... time stops. and you realize you're in love... steve? with a laundry detergent.

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vowed at her senate confirmation hearing to lead a crackdown on immigration by securing what she described as a war zone at the us-mexico border. take a listen. >> president trump has been very clear that his priority is going to be deporting criminals, those who have broken our laws and perpetuated violence in our communities. his next priority is going to be those with final removal orders, and focus on those individuals who who have long overstayed, and that there is a consequence for ignoring our federal laws. >> joining me now is the president of nextgen america, christina simpson ramirez. good to see you again, christina. so as we look at the incoming administration, it is warned that anyone in the country illegally that is present during an arrest of undocumented criminals will be taken into custody. what are you hearing from undocumented younger people, especially those who live in sanctuary cities? what are they saying about being caught up, potentially in these dragnets and these raids? i mean, what are their fears over what the raids and subsequent

detention could look like? >> yeah. >> well, we have to remember is that there's 11 million undocumented immigrants in our country, many of whom have been here for decades, many who have children, who are u.s. citizens. i live in texas, home to one of the largest undocumented communities in the country. and i can tell you that undocumented people, their children, their families are terrified. and in 2017, when trump took office, i live here in austin, texas, we were home and came under attack under the trump administration, too, that used our city as really a testing ground and a place to demonstrate the supposed chaos of our immigration system, and went after undocumented families. there was an that happened for weeks across our city. and i will never forget the story of a young girl whose father was deported. she was five years old, a u.s. citizen. she was waiting by the door at school because her father was going to bring her chocolates for valentine's day, and she's now growing up in the united states without her father. and so people are very, very afraid.

but we also have to remember that trump also deported less immigrants than obama did. so a lot of this is just for show. we'll have to see how really true and real it is, because it's very hard to deport 11 million undocumented immigrants. it's easier to build an immigration system that works. but he has seems to have no interest in actually doing 100% when it comes to the prospect of 11 million people. >> what about the suggestion or the targeting of criminal immigrants who are here illegally? is that something that people are getting behind, at least to some degree? if you've committed a crime in this country and you are here in this country illegally, go home. >> yes, i think people are all supportive of using the criminal laws that we do have. i think the challenge that we have seen with the trump administration was something that he said similarly in 2017, and that really extended beyond, you know, i again, i live here in texas. we will never forget the images, the sounds of crying

babies being ripped from their mothers. there are still hundreds of undocumented children that were separated from their parents under the trump administration, who have never been reunited with their parents. look, i want to be really clear with people that trump's winning this election is not a mandate for cruelty, that the american public actually has a nuanced view on immigration, that they want a pragmatic system that, yes, protects their borders, allows people to come to the country through a proper channels, but also grants a pathway to citizenship to the undocumented immigrants who are part of our community, who have been working hard here. and let's be real, if trump did or tries to build a system that just pushes out undocumented immigrants 11 million. you're talking about our agricultural system being just total havoc on it. our construction industry. when we're facing a housing crisis, we can build a system

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in a speech fashion. and so we're going to be paying very close attention to that. joining me right now to discuss this, although we will take a break when the president starts speaking, we have our good friend, reverend al sharpton, of course, host of politics nation here on msnbc and founder of the national action network. so, rev, we do believe that president biden will be there very shortly. but let's talk about this symbolic visit. it is a historic day, as you well know, how south carolina played a pivotal role. that man as well, in securing the president presidency for joe biden. what message do you believe joe biden will send in a big picture by going there today? it'll be among the last big messages that he will be able to send to this country. >> i think he's appropriately sending a message that we must be against this heightened sense of divided americans that are looking at some people based on race and gender and sexual

orientation as different than others, and to go to south carolina, where we saw a white supremacist kill people in a church, reverend pinckney and others, is where he went when he had been defeated in early primaries. and jim clyburn, who's speaking now, endorsed him and helped turn that race around the morning of the endorsement, president biden or then candidate biden and jim clyburn came to a national action network breakfast in north charleston and told me later that day what was going to happen. so i witnessed it, and i'm more than happy to see him go back and remind the nation that he tried to heal the wounds in the place where this vicious racial murder had happened, and that was one of the bases of his running. and i think it is more than appropriate that jim clyburn brings him on tonight,

because we need to talk about the fact that the incoming administration has declared war on dei, diversity, equity and inclusion on the rights of women, on the rights of trans, on the rights of the lgbtq community. and we need to remember, not that long ago, we were trying to come together under, under, under donald trump. we had george floyd, we had ahmaud arbery killed in georgia by white supremacist. we had breonna taylor, none of which this president at that time, this incoming president uttered a word trying to bring the country together. in fact, he threatened to protest us. and i think that it is a reminder of the biden years at the right location. >> i'm going to add charlottesville to that list that you gave as well. rev, before we hear from president biden. and i do want to, if we have time, get to talking about

the inauguration tomorrow and the changes. can you talk about this place? it is the international african american museum there of history in charleston, south carolina. by its description, it is an extraordinary place. it is built at a former shipping wharf where approximately 40% of this nation's enslaved persons disembarked. the symbolism here is remarkable. >> the symbolism is, is breathtaking. i've been there several times. it is one of the two major ports that people were brought from africa and brought into slavery. the other was wall street in new york. and i think that the symbolism of that showed the dark period of american history that we tried to lighten up. we do not need to go backwards. and no matter who is the president, we need to not go back to the days where any of american citizens are less than others. we have grave concerns.

we are having a rally at metropolitan ame church tomorrow, while the inauguration is going on, we'll be way away from the inauguration. we're not protesting the inauguration. they won the election, but they did not win the right to bring back divisiveness and pitting people against each other. we lost an election. we did not lose our minds. >> rev, you mentioned the inauguration, which happens tomorrow, and it coincides as well with martin luther king jr day. do you expect donald trump to acknowledge this in his inaugural address? >> we'll see if he does. but it would be difficult, even if he does, to acknowledge doctor king and not acknowledge what doctor king stood for. doctor king stood for equal rights for all. he stood for world peace. and what donald trump has laid out, he says one of his first executive orders is in diversity, equity and inclusion. and many of the corporate

leaders and tech giant leaders that will be present are the first ones to say they're going to end dei. we'll be talking at our rally tomorrow about those companies that don't want diversity in the boardroom and among contracts and among employment. then they should not have diversity in their consumer base. and we're planning to talk about targeting certain companies that will be boycotted. donald trump can't make us pay and consume from people that don't want to treat us in a fair and equal way. >> i'm going to try and get another question to you. here. is the president announced five more pardons to commutations among those pardoned marcus garvey posthumously, a brooklyn immigration activist. why do you think it was important for the president to squeeze these in? >> i think it was important because i think marcus garvey, who led a great movement, i preached in harlem at abyssinian baptist church, adam clayton powell's church that inspired me as a kid. and marcus garvey's headquarters was right next

door. he instilled pride in a lot of blacks, and many of us felt that my parents grandparents were alive during his time, that this was the first real infusion, and that because infusion of racial pride from people who had just been a generation or two out of slavery, and for him then to be set up and persecuted and prosecuted unfairly for him now to be pardoned is great symbolism and the others that he's pardoned, and i would hope even before 12 noon tomorrow, he would still consider pardoning others like marilyn mosby in baltimore, who i think was unfairly treated, and jesse jackson jr, who served well. i think that these moves are something that biden's administration symbolize and moved forward. and we should not, on the way out the door, forget the reason we went in the door of the biden era in the

first place. >> as long as you're around, my friend, we won't. thank you very much, appreciate your time, and for all of you. you can catch a lot more of the rev on politics nation that will be happening just a little over an hour from now at 5 p.m. eastern, right here on msnbc. the president has yet to take to the podium. we're going to take a short break because we've got a lot of breaking news today. so that is a wrap for me on this edition of a wrap for me on this edition of alex witt reports. we'll be back [street noise] [cameras clicking] introducing ned's plaque psoriasis. ned, ned, who are you wearing? he thinks his flaky red patches are all people see. otezla is the #1 prescribed pill to treat plaque psoriasis. ned? otezla can help you get clearer skin, and reduce itching and flaking. doctors have been prescribing otezla for over a decade. otezla is also approved to treat psoriatic arthritis. don't use otezla if you're allergic to it. get medical help right away if you have trouble breathing or swallowing, swelling of the face, lips, tongue,

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