to protect diversity, equity and inclusion. our rally will take place at 11 a.m. at the historic metropolitan ame church in washington, dc. i hope you can join me. that does it for us. a quick reminder that tomorrow is a big day of coverage here at msnbc. with the inauguration of president elect donald trump and the martin luther king jr. holiday. morning joe kicks off with inauguration coverage starting at 6 a.m. eastern for all four hours. i'll be joining them starting at 9 a.m, then at 10 a.m, rachel maddow and team will bring you key moments of the day, followed by analysis from primetime anchors throughout the evening. and i'll be here next weekend at 5 p.m. eastern for more editions. live editions of politics nation the sunday show with jonathan cape starts right now with jonathan

capehart. >> i'm jonathan capehart. this is the sunday show where less than 24 hours away from an historic moment in the american presidency, the oldest person to ever serve as president, joe biden, will leave office as the first convicted felon. donald trump is sworn in. right now, the president elect is speaking at a make america great again victory rally at the capital one arena here in washington, an event that's been underway for nearly three hours now. just moments ago, we found out trump plans to sign at least 50 new executive orders after he assumes office tomorrow. we got a glimpse of what to expect in his second administration during his speech at the rally. >> tomorrow at noon, the curtain

closes on four long years of american decline, and we begin a brand new day of american strength and prosperity, dignity and pride. >> earlier, trump and vice president elect vance attended a wreath laying ceremony at the tomb of the unknown soldier at arlington national cemetery. when it comes to his inauguration speech tomorrow, trump told nbc's kristen welker it will have a theme of, quote, unity and strength. in true trump fashion, he also said the speech will be about, quote, fairness. telling welker that, quote, something has to be done about the people he says put him through hell the past four years. sounds more like retribution than fairness. tomorrow also marks the historic final hours of the biden presidency, and the president is not wasting a minute of the time he has left. he spent his last

full day in office in south carolina, honoring the life and legacy of the reverend doctor martin luther king jr, and thanking the state that was pivotal to his 2020 primary win. earlier today, biden issued a new round of five pardons and commuted the sentences of two others. one of those pardons was issued posthumously to marcus garvey, the civil rights activist who was convicted of mail fraud in 1923. president biden's final actions stand in contrast to what trump says he will do in the first days in office, which includes a slate of pardons for the january 6th capitol rioters that he promised on day one. that's right. one of the first tasks on trump's to do list will be to pardon defendants who were part of the insurrection at the capitol, the insurrection trump instigated. it's a glaring example of where we've been and where trump could steer us these, these next four years. for more on the executive

orders, trump is expected to sign tomorrow. nbc senior white house correspondent garrett hake joins us now from the capital one arena. garrett, we just learned the breaking news about the 50 executive orders. tell us more about that and what else he plans to do with young people. >> charlie kirk well, jonathan, most of these executive orders will cover ground. that will sound very familiar to people who've watched donald trump's campaign. they'll be a heavy focus on immigration. we expect him to reinstate a national emergency at the border, which would give him some expanded powers to move resources there and to put things like his remain in mexico policy back in place. essentially, all of the early biden administration executive orders on border security would be reversed out of the gate. also, expect to see significant focus on energy removing regulations, trying to goose domestic energy production, particularly oil and gas. and then there are more social issues, things like trying to ramp down dei programs, particularly in the

federal government, where he's got a lot more control, and addressing issues like transgender student athletes. again, anything where he can direct the department of education to take action or reverse actions. all of this could be something that we see both at the capitol itself, moments after donald trump is sworn in, and we've learned that he will be signing some of these executive orders here in this building. jonathan, remember when away went the outdoor portion of the inauguration tomorrow? so went the parade. instead. they'll be kind of a makeshift indoor parade here at capital one arena tomorrow. the signing of those eo are now going to be built into the program here a little bit. so sort of a entertainment ization, which is definitely not a word of the business of government happening in an arena normally reserved for hockey and basketball games. >> i like that word entertainment. what was it again? karen. i loved it. >> it's going to be very

difficult to hear yourself think at these rallies, jonathan. so we do the best we can with the english language. >> garrett. >> trust me, i am not making fun of you at all. that was a genius word. garrett hake coming to us from the capital one arena, where, as you can hear in the background, president elect donald trump is still speaking. thanks a lot, garrett. joining me now, susan page, washington bureau chief of usa today. she interviewed president biden for the for his final print interview as president. and jon meacham, author of the call to serve the life of an american president. george herbert walker bush a visual biography, and rogers chair in the presidency at vanderbilt university. he occasionally advised president biden on historical matters and major speeches. thank you both very much for coming to the sunday show. so, garrett, garrett, john, let me start with you. just what we just heard from garrett haig in terms of what the president elect promises will be doing tomorrow, among his first priorities as

president of the united states. >> well, we've been here before. and so we've seen, what, the first few days, the first opening salvo, if you will, of a trump administration can be like, and we'll do it again. 49.9% of those who went to the polls last november decided that this was worth the risk, that this was the course they chose to take, and we are now, like any democracy. we are now in a zone where we will have to see whether or not the basic constitutional norms, the basic rules that have for more than two and a half centuries or two and a half centuries have in fact guided our our path. whether they will continue to. and i think there's been good

stories about the number of things that president trump said he would do on day one. and now we'll find out. >> and one of the things he's going to do, susan, as part of his day, one activity is to sign some of those executive orders right back there at the capital one arena as part of the refurbished, renewed, reorganized inaugural parade. that won't happen because of the extreme weather we're expecting tomorrow. susan, you've been covering this town for years. talk to us about how different tomorrow promises to be. >> you know, i do not believe that i've ever seen a president sign executive orders during an inaugural parade, so that is definitely something new and reflects trump's willingness to do things a different way that sometimes in ways that shock and alarm people who have been here a long time and in ways that delight his, his followers. you

know what strikes me about what we're seeing now with with trump is that trump seems to be just exactly who he was eight years ago when he was being sworn in the first time around. but man, washington is different. the world is different. the reaction to trump is so different. we see it from some democratic governors trying to find common ground, and some corporate executives trying to curry favor the tech titans who are giving millions of dollars to the inaugural committee and to the and to the trump library. and the lack of the sort of overwhelming resistance and protest that we saw eight years ago. we had a march here in washington yesterday, a couple thousand people, not the show of force from the trump opposition that we saw eight years ago. so trump may not have changed, but the world in which he's going to govern, it looks different. >> and that is a spectacular observation. susan. he's the

same. the town isn't. and i scribbled this down because, john, i wonder the impact of what susan just mentioned, the impact that's going to have on one of the things that donald trump promises to start doing tomorrow once it becomes president. and that's mass deportations. and we've been talking about it for months now. but in the front page lead story of the of the new york times today was about their poll that showed 55% of americans either strongly or somewhat support massive mass deportations, the mass deportations he's planning. talk about not how the town changing, but also popular opinion, particularly on this issue, is could inure to his benefit. >> well, at the risk of saying that the risk of self-parody, let me say, you know, the first time we did this was in the 1790s. john adams passed the

alien and sedition acts. in the 19th century, we had the chinese exclusion act in 1924, we had an incredibly restrictive immigration legislation that, in fact, was in place when the administration and the state department decided not to take in more refugees from germany in the 1930s. so there none of that didn't change until 1965. and the little history lesson is just to say, president trump in many ways, is the fullest manifestation of many forces that a lot of us wish would ebb as opposed to flow. and right now they're flowing. and that's what american history often is. things ebb. they flow not by accident, not just naturally. it's not that things are inevitable. it's not that either things are going to inevitably get worse, or that things will

somehow, inevitably get better. it there is historical agency in a democracy. there is. and i the absolute reality that people who do not like the trend of where a popular government is going can alter that trend. they can bend that path, but they can't just do it automatically. and so what i think folks have to do in this moment is choose their battles and make their voices heard. because believe me, politicians are creatures of incentive. and if you see a politician doing something that you approve of, let them know. if you see them doing something that you disapprove of, let them know. and without that level of engagement, then there, in fact, the course that you dislike

could continue. and without that engagement, it may not. you may not prevail, but you certainly won't prevail if you are not engaged. >> susan, let's end this conversation by talking about your interview with president biden, his last interview print interview as president of the united states. talk about that and the significance of president biden spending his last full day as president in south carolina. >> you know, it's interesting. i think president biden is doing the things he wants to do, the things that are meaningful to him. south carolina is a state that in many ways got him the nomination for the democratic nomination in 2020. it's a state with great resonance for him. it's an appropriate state to go to celebrate martin luther king jr. you see this in the pardons that he's issuing. these are tend to be these are pardons that have some personal resonance with him. you know, the sense i got in the interview

i did with him in the oval office was that he wasn't ready to leave. of course, we know he didn't want to leave. he wanted to run. he wanted to win. he ended up doing neither of those things. and he's you know, i actually i did the last print interview with george w bush when he left the white house. he was a guy ready to go home. he was ready to move out of the white house. you do not get that sense with president joe biden. he is a guy who wants to stay and i think wants to continue to speak out on the issues that matter most to him. >> you know, susan is someone who's also interviewed president biden twice. that man loves that job. susan page, jon meacham, thank you both very much for coming to the sunday show. and coming up, president biden spent the final full day of his presidency in south carolina, the state that helped catapult him to the white house, as he honored doctor martin luther king jr. we'll discuss biden's

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for msnbc daily@msnbc.com. >> through a fluke of the calendar, donald trump's inauguration will happen on the same day as the holiday celebrating the reverend doctor martin luther king jr. it's easy to imagine how different that coincidence would feel if we were watching the first black woman president take the oath of office on king day. kamala harris came really close. she flourished as vice president and then went from loyal number two to top of the ticket. harris triumphed in the only presidential debate and raised more than $1 billion. yet for a host of reasons, she lost. but i must shine a spotlight on one of them. harris's mother, who immigrated from india, understood a lamentable truth about america that her adopted homeland would see kamala and her sister maya as black girls,

so she raised them to be, quote, proud black women. i'm sure her mother delivered the same mantra mine delivered to me growing up. you have to work twice as hard to be considered just as good as anyone white. there's no room for error because the benefit of the doubt is not ours to have. so harris worked twice as hard, and she had to play by rule set and constantly shifted by those trying to blunt her trajectory and invested in her failure. her confidence in the face of racist and sexist attacks on her qualifications and intelligence mirrored the experience of black people up and down the socioeconomic ladder. that's why if you ask anyone black if they were surprised that a convicted felon prevailed over harris, they'll tell you no. why? because this is america, a nation always ready to remind us in ways big and small, where it

believes our place to be. the north star of harris's public service has been something her mother used to say. you may be the first to do many things, but make sure you're not the last. harris has always known that her rise and its attendant achievements were part of what let americans see what is possible, unburdened by what has been. we have to wait a little while longer for the burden to be lifted, and for the possible to be made real. but harris's purposeful public service ensures she will not be the last. joining me now, marc morial, president and ceo of the national urban league, and janet nelson, president and director counsel of the legal defense fund. thank you both very much for coming to the sunday show. we've done a lot of talking about this being the last full day of president biden's tenure as president of the united

states, but it is also the last full day of vice president harris's tenure as the number two in command. janet, just your reaction to this day for the vice president. >> well, you know, this day is one that we've had several weeks to anticipate. i think if you had asked us this several weeks ago, you would have heard from people who were really crestfallen. we know that 91% of black women voted in favor of kamala harris. we know that 74 to 78% of black men voted in favor of her, you know, averaging about 84 to 85% of black people voting for her. so, you know, this is the president elect is not the president of black people, not the one that we wanted, but we have been here before. we were there through the first trump presidency, and now what we have is a really

stark contrast between what this country can be, what its promise and potential is, and what we're going to experience for the next four years. and it is interesting and keep going, keep going. it is a little ironic that the inauguration is happening on martin luther king jr. holiday, but i actually think it is really emblematic of the crossroads at which our country is. and i think it is a giving us a very clear choice about the future that is in front of us, and that we will need to work for. >> and, mark, i mean, the last time the inauguration hit on the day of the king holiday was president barack obama's first inauguration back in 2000. january 20th, 2009. my, how things have changed. i would love to get your reaction specifically to go ahead. >> yeah. thank you. tomorrow is

a contradiction of values and vision. on one hand, we celebrate doctor martin luther king's birthday, a great american who gave us a vision and gave us a pathway forward, whose work with the civil rights act of 64 and the voting rights act of 65 and the fair housing act, that the arc towards a more inclusive, diverse and, yes, a more prosperous america. on the other hand, we have the 47th president of the united states, who represents the most significant contradiction to what martin luther king stood for and worked for of any president in modern history. and i would say any president in perhaps 100 years. so it represents a contradiction. but for us, we are going to double down on our steadfast, passionate support for martin

luther king's vision for the vision of an inclusive, diverse, equitable america, a vision where everyone has access to the american dream and we will oppose passionately any policy efforts that are designed to reverse that progress. do we have a fight ahead of us? yes we do. are we prepared for that fight? yes we are. >> jenny, as as head of ldf. i mean, your your docket has always been full. i'm just wondering, in in the dawn, at the dawn of a second trump administration and full because of what you've been doing in the states. how will that docket get more intense now that there there will be a republican president who will be doing things that ldf will have no choice but to get involved in, to try to push back.

>> yeah, we you know, we've seen this coming, right? not only have we survived and beat back overreach in the first trump administration, we've had four years to see what's possible and to use government as best we can to advance our agenda of racial justice. and we have a playbook that they put on blast project 2025 that we've analyzed and have already prepared a response to, and that we've already distilled and explained in a report that we've done to talk about its impact on black communities in particular. so we do not run from a fight. we are quite prepared for what is going to come, and we're prepared with every possible tool in our arsenal. ldf is a premier litigation organization and has been for the past 85 years. we also have an extraordinary policy arm. we have research, we have organizers, and we're ready to deploy every possible

mechanism to push back. and i have to say, another key dimension of this is narrative shaping. what we see is a battle. in war on truth. we see rampant dismiss and mal information coming out of the trump administration. and so it is up to all of us, including media, to be very clear about the truth of what is before us and to make sure that we do not obey in advance, that we don't capitulate, and that we are very clear about what the promise of our multiracial democracy is and what we want for the future of this country and our children and every generation to come, because we've got to win and earn our freedom in each generation. >> and mark, before before we go to a break and continue the conversation on the other side, the national urban league every year puts out puts out its report, the state of black america. now that we're at the dawn of a second trump administration, what do you what

is the state of black america? >> the state of black america is that there's a state of emergency with attacks on democracy, attacks on economic opportunity, attacks on economic policies that would benefit all. i want to certainly alert everyone to the fact that jenny and i will be at the national press club on wednesday, the 22nd, at 11:00, for an event where we're going to begin this effort to define what economic opportunity looks like. we're going to take on the attacks on diversity, equity and inclusion. and we've got a round table event there that will be streamed live. that includes as many as 15 to 20 leaders, a cross-section from every racial group, a cross-section of people who are going to be passionately working towards an agenda that aligns with what martin luther king stood for, and certainly aligns with the values that all of us in civil rights and social justice believe in. and i think

jenny is absolutely right. we all have tools. we all have a number of tools. what we're not going to do is telegraph every move we're going to make. but wednesday will be the beginning. i think of a concerted effort by a number of us, and we have to build a movement that is strong, that is diverse and that is focused on economic opportunity in an america that belongs to everyone. the maga movement is a movement of division. the 47th president of the united states has thrown down a gantlet repeatedly to divide people. we believe that the majority of the american people want an inclusive nation, a diverse nation, and a nation for all. >> all right, everybody, don't go anywhere because we're going to continue the conversation with marc morial and jenny nelson after the break. you're nelson after the break. you're watching the sunday for more than a decade farxiga has been trusted again and again, and again. ♪far-xi-ga♪

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you were in charleston. there you are. you were in charleston, south carolina today with the president of the united states on his last full day as president. but you were also there with kemba smith to talk about her and the significance of her being on that trip with you. >> well, kemba was was not with me today. she was at home in virginia because she received the news as as one does the night before. it becomes public that her sentence was fully pardoned by the by the president. and i have to say as an organization that has worked with kemba for over 30 years, this was one of the most momentous outcomes we could have hoped for. we began representing kemba when she was in her early 20s and had gotten caught up

with a unfortunate romantic relationship that was abusive and led her to make some choices that she came to regret. she was a nonviolent offender, and because of the draconian drug laws and mandatory sentencing laws we have, she was sentenced to 24.5 years in prison. as a young woman, she gave birth to her son while in prison and thankfully, because of the advocacy of many, including kemba and her family and many others, she was released by president clinton. he commuted her sentence, but she continued to labor under this cloud of a criminal conviction for the next, you know, nearly 20 years. and today, she finally has the freedom to dream and do everything that her abundant talent will allow her to do without this criminal conviction marring her reputation and preventing her from fulfilling her dreams and, you know, creating barriers for her

success. so we were delighted that president biden did this. but i have to say, you know, he's been extraordinary. she is one of over 4000 people who have benefited from his clemency actions. so we are extraordinarily grateful. in addition to kemba, he also commuted the sentence of michelle west, another woman who was the victim of a similar sort of relationship and nonviolent drug conviction. and so we see him righting the wrongs of our criminal legal system. we see him exercising compassion and mercy, and we hope that he will, you know, be an example to governors and others who have the power to offer similar clemency and commutation and mercy. >> mark, one of the other people who got a pardon who was pictured there. the very first picture, marcus garvey. president biden gave him a posthumous pardon. and talk about the significance, the significance of that pardon.

>> marcus mariah garvey, my namesake, but importantly, he was an early 20th century black leader, created the universal improvement association. in fact, malcolm x's parents were organizers and leaders in that movement, and he built a powerful movement with chapters all over. he was railroaded on tax charges and deported. this is a long overdue pardon, and i would certainly thank president biden for doing this. but we also have to lift up, i think, one of the most significant uses of his pardon power, and that was the commutation of sentences for the thousands of people who were caught in the crack cocaine, powder cocaine sentencing disparity, which has been a structural deficiency in our criminal justice system for years. as you know, we've tried valiantly to through this, through the legislative process

to change that. and the first step act, we reduced it, but we did not. we did not go all the way. that legislation did not go far enough. it was incomplete. and so president biden's use of the pardon power in this instance, i hope, will lead the courage and the congress to put an end to this disparity once and for all with a strong piece of legislation. and i'm going to challenge the incoming congress on both sides of the aisle and the incoming president to do that, to make this a part of what they do, let's fix this problem once and for all. but thanks to president biden, many, many, many people are going to benefit and have this disparity erased. >> marc morial, president of the national urban league, janai nelson, leader of the legal defense fund, thank you both very much for coming to the sunday show. >> thank you. >> thank you, jonathan. good to see you, marc. >> and coming up, stephen miller channeling donald trump and

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>> accountability is coming. justice is coming. the whole federal bureaucracy is about to learn that they don't work for themselves. they work for you. they work for president trump, and they work for the american people. >> joining me now, april ryan, washington bureau chief and senior white house correspondent for black press usa, msnbc contributor and author of black women will save the world and anthem. and tara setmayer, co-founder and ceo of the seneca project and a former gop communications director. thank you both very much for coming back to the sunday show. tara, your reaction to stephen miller, what he just said there? >> well, it sends shivers down my spine. and it should for any american who is a good and decent person, who is concerned about the fact that we have

people like stephen miller in control of it. this country needs to get ready. i don't think a lot of people fully appreciate what they're about to usher in. tomorrow, when donald trump takes office at the seneca project, we put a video out called get ready because people need to be fully prepared. we have got to be prepared for what the next four years are going to look like. the idea of mass deportations and the cruelty is the point. and this imperialistic presidency is incongruent with what our democracy is supposed to stand for. it's incongruent with people who are not the oligarchs and the elitists who aren't going to benefit from the power elite. it's incongruent with that. i don't know how any of this, and i'm curious to see how maga is going to explain how any of these 50 executive orders or this imperialistic presidency or this ruling by fiat is going to help the average americans who

thought they were voting to reduce the price of eggs? it's not. this is very ugly, and it's going to impact a lot of people in ways that i don't think they're fully prepared for. and frankly, it it's troubling. but we have to be prepared and ready to fight this for the next four years. >> april, you know, just while we've been on air, news is coming out that the deportation operation that was expected to begin in chicago on tuesday has now been postponed due to media leaks, according to two sources to nbc, with knowledge of the plans postponed, not canceled. >> jonathan. they still want the element of surprise, the shock and awe postponed when you don't expect it would happen. i wouldn't be surprised if it catches us off guard a month or two down the road when we forget about it. but you have to remember, this is what this

president, well, this incoming president, the president elect still until noon tomorrow, what he talked about in the first term, remember, there was so much controversy about the border. there were there was controversy about how the those who were going to be sent back were even detained and held in cages. this president is true to his word. and just like tara said, people sometimes have to see it to believe it. trust me, you will see. and what he says is real. believe what he says. it's going to happen. but remember also, they like the shock and awe and the theater of it all. so if it's leaked out, there's not going to be that shock and awe and that that punch that i told you i was going to do it and i did it. so they'll do it probably another place. >> tara, let me play you the switching gears a little bit. steve bannon was on abc this week today talking talking about

the oligarchs and what he thinks they're doing. watch this. >> as soon as zuckerberg said i've been invited i'm going. the floodgates opened up and they were all, they're not going to be supplicants. so i look at this and i think most people in our movement look at this as president trump broke the oligarchs, he broke them and they surrendered. >> i mean, tara, that is one of the knocks on on what's happening now that, you know, trump is breaking people or, or or people are obeying in advance. >> yeah, that's one of our themes at the seneca project is do not obey in advance. we've taken that from the wise words of historian timothy snyder his book on tyranny. and to watch so many of these people obey in advance, including many in the media. not you, jonathan, but many in the media have done this, not you. april, that is interesting to watch, because

it's not that donald trump has broken these oligarchs. it's transactional. it's very important how we put this in context and how this is reported out to people. this is all about transactional political expediency. for them, it's because they want to make more money because their their businesses are potentially threatened. so they're currying favor. this is nothing to do with him breaking them. if anything, they actually own him. you think elon musk is doing this out of the goodness of his heart? he owns donald trump, and trump knows that he owes his entire presidency to him. so when the average american starts to realize that they've been duped, the ones that voted for donald trump, not those of us who knew better, but those who were duped by donald trump. maga. they're lost. but the other folks, or the ones that stayed home or thought that it didn't matter. they're about to find out how much it does matter, because this is not this is not what they signed up for. they're going to realize they're the ones left in the dust obeying in advance. it's really it's quite it turns my stomach because you're watching this and

it is a oligarchy. and i praise you. no good for president biden for making that point and people paying attention to it. and let's all let's not forget, steve bannon is a felon, and i hope more people start to remind folks who these people are. that's a convicted felon. why do we care what the hell he has to say? >> you know what i'm going to go to? i'm going to go to break early because i want to have some more time on the other side with april and tara, because we got to talk about, well, april, how are you going to cover trump, too? but then we got to trump, too? when the we got to talk temperature drops... you've got two choices. close your eyes and think warm thoughts. or open your eyes and get out here. there's only one vehicle lineup that embraces everything the cold has to offer. the official vehicles of winter. jeep, there's only one. right now, during the jeep start something new sales event, get $3,500 dollars total bonus cash allowance on most 2024 jeep wrangler gas-powered models.

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i used to listen to snoop. >> no, but it gets you proving the point. he had his mind on his money. and his money on his mind was probably why he was there. tara, i mean, this gets back to your earlier point, you know, don't obey in advance. >> this is really pathetic. and shame on them. and sometimes it's. is it really worth it? you know, it's you know, we say the root of all evil is avarice. it's greed, not money. it's greed. and to sell out all of you know your own folks and you know people who you claim that you're supposed to be down for the cause with, but you sell out for a dollar and then try to justify donald trump and nelly. he's another one. let's not forget him. what he had to say, trying to justify saying it's an honor to perform. would it have been an honor to perform at hitler's inauguration? i don't think so. so people need to stop this either. donald trump is what we claim he is or he's not there. there. there's not one or the other. and i just want to

leave on one note, since it is martin luther king day tomorrow. i want people to remember his words. he said, let us not wallow in the valley of despair. and that's what we need to. we need to hold that, that we cannot wallow in the valley of despair. we're going to have tough times today and tomorrow. it's difficult, but we have to keep the course and keep up the fight. >> april and jonathan really fast. we have to put on the table as to why snoop dogg is in the trump inauguration issue in the programing, because he's very happy that donald trump pardoned, gave clemency to his guy, the co-founder of death row. so that's the main reason. but still, if you say what you said years ago and you do this now, it's a little bit of conflict. we're waiting to hear from you. snoop. >> april, we've got less than 30s left. you were there in the in the white house press corps during trump one. you're going to be you're going to be there in the white house press corps for trump, too. you ready?

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