>> i feel like i'm completely different person. get growing at nfl.com. >> okay, to say there's a lot going on right now would be a bit of an understatement. >> we are now 24 hours out from donald trump's inauguration, and we're also following breaking news out of the middle east as

three hostages arrive back in israel. >> i'll talk to deputy national security advisor john finer about how it happened and what comes down to trump's swearing in tomorrow, billionaires are celebrating and blue states are worrying they'll be left to fend for themselves. >> i traveled to california this week to talk to governor gavin newsom about new threats, to condition aid to his state and what he's expecting from trump 2.0. and later, the incoming trump team prepares for a deportation operation with an apparent focus on chicago. i'll ask illinois attorney general kwame raoul how his office is getting ready. okay, we're going to spend a lot of time today looking ahead to tomorrow's inauguration. i've got a fascinating conversation with california governor gavin newsom to show you. but i do want to start with that breaking news out of the middle east where just moments ago, three hostages were released as a long awaited

cease fire is now underway in gaza. now the three women are now back in israel, where they will receive medical checks and treatment before making their way home to be reunited with all of their friends and family. you can see video right there on your screen here. of the families of these hostages, watching them as they joined idf soldiers overcome with emotion and relief, huge crowds also gathered in tel aviv's hashid square today, celebrating and cheering as the news of this hostage release came in. a total of 33 hostages are expected to be released during this first phase of the ceasefire, which lasts for six weeks, in exchange for the release of a number of palestinian prisoners. nbc news has also just learned that the first american to be released will be 65 year old keith siegel, on day 14 of the ceasefire. and that that and that will be 36 year old. and after that will be 36 year old dekel hen, who is injured as well. and the other five americans, alive and dead, will not be released until phase two of the ceasefire. that is from

nbc reporting. i'm going to talk about it with my next guest. and along with the release of the hostages, we saw another welcome sign. today, aid trucks have started to cross into gaza, bringing much needed relief to a region that has been suffering. 600 trucks of aid will be able to enter gaza each day, a significant increase from what has been allowed to date. now, this cease fire deal took months of painstaking diplomacy between the united states, egypt and qatar. and just in the last hour, president biden delivered remarks on the release of those three hostages. >> three israeli women held against their will in the dark tunnels for 470 days. four more women will be released in seven days, three additional hostages every seven days thereafter, including the least two american citizens. in this first phase, we pray for them and their families, for they're going to be a long recovery ahead. we got here without a wider war in the middle east, many predicted, and now it falls to the next administration. to help implement this deal. i was pleased to have our team speak

as one voice in the final days. it was both necessary and effective and unprecedented. but success is going to require persistence and continuing support for our friends in the region. and the belief in diplomacy backed by deterrence. >> starting us off today is white house deputy national security advisor john finer, who is on his second to last day in the job. i'm grateful to you for taking the time. we've known each other a long time. we spent a lot of time traveling overseas in diplomatic talks. it doesn't always result in a positive outcome. and i just wanted to ask you, i mean, anybody who's read the reporting knows this took dozens of trips by brett mcgurk, by tony blinken, by bill burns, involvement by you, by jake sullivan, of course, by the president. what is it like watching the video of these hostages being returned of the families celebrating? >> it's a really good point, jen, because as you well know, you don't get a lot of good days in foreign policy. >> often it's managing really hard problems and choosing among

least bad options. so when there is an unequivocally happy moment, like seeing those three hostages come out of gaza this morning, it is nice to take a minute to reflect. >> now, the reality is, though, implementing this deal is going to be a challenge. and because of that, and because the six week period for implementation extends into the new administration, president biden has directed us to be totally transparent, totally open and integrated with the incoming trump team. >> they were involved in the talks, they played an important supporting role, and it will now be on them to make sure this deal gets implemented, as the president just described. >> and i want to ask you about that as well. but one of the questions i wanted to start with here is just about the status of the americans. and nbc news, i mentioned this in the opening here, reported this morning that the first american to be released will be 65 year old keith siegel on day 14 of the cease fire, because it's every seven days. so that would be one between now and then. after that would be 36 year old declan, who is also injured. then the other five americans in the second phase. is that accurate? >> so the way this deal is

structured is that the people who come out in phase one of the deal are people who are wounded, are women, and are what is defined as elderly under the terms of this deal, basically people over the age of 50, which hits a little close to home if you're close to 50. but that's how the deal defines elderly. >> and so the theory there is the most vulnerable people are the ones who should come out first. we see two americans in that category, the two that you just mentioned. after that phase two, there will be a negotiation for how to start phase two, it will be idf soldiers who come out in that second phase, and then in the third phase, remains of hostages who tragically did not survive would come out. phase two is when the war ends definitively with a permanent cease fire. >> but for people who are waiting for an american to come back, obviously amazing footage, amazing news about these three israeli women today and one of them is a british citizen, keith siegel. we should anticipate not until two weeks from today. >> so i'm not going to confirm exactly which date, which people are going to come out. i think there's going to be some work between now and then to determine who comes out on what date. but that rough timeline

is, i think, what we should expect. >> you mentioned this earlier, and jake sullivan and the president and others, you have all been very effusive in in thanking the incoming trump administration, steve witkoff, specifically for their work and efforts in this process. it's important to restate, i think, that this is the same plan as was proposed in may, that there have been, again, as i noted earlier, dozens of trips by biden, high level national security officials to get here. trump and netanyahu obviously have a close relationship, a closer one than biden. why do you think now? >> well, as you say, i think the president laid out the broad contours, the elements of this deal back in may. there was some fine print to be worked out. but if you look at the deal that actually now appears on paper, it is more or less exactly what the president described back then. but there was a lot of work that had to take place between now and then. there were tragic incidents that took place between now and then, including the murder of several hostages by hamas, including one american, which we all mourned and were outraged by. all of that made this take longer, i think, than many of us wanted.

and at the end of the day, the president identified, even when attention moved on from from the press, from other governments, the president, almost every single day would call a jake sullivan or me or others on the team to say what is going on with the hostage negotiations. how can i help? is there someone i should call? should we be sending someone out to the region? he stayed on top of this and as you say, we deployed constantly. and when it got close to the end of the administration and became clear that implementation would go into a new term, he asked us, bring them in, tell them what's going on, make sure they're comfortable with the approach and see if they're going to be willing to help. now, you know as well as i do, we don't agree with 100% of what the new administration is likely to do on a whole range of things. i'll let them speak to their policy. but on this issue, there was an alignment of interests and an alignment of messaging publicly to the israelis. and behind the scenes, there's no question. >> i mean, you gave them credit for getting netanyahu to kind of come to the table at this moment in time, the negotiation for a second phase, though, is going to require maybe the israelis giving some things up that they

don't want to give up. trump has basically said that netanyahu should have unfettered freedom to move forward with military action. is that the biggest concern about moving forward to a second phase, or is there something else? >> so that negotiation begins a couple of weeks into the deal. so, you know, stay tuned for exactly how that will proceed. and it is what determines whether we go from phase one to phase two, the permanent ceasefire that ends the war, everything we're told by our incoming trump administration counterparts is that they have every intention of bringing this deal all the way through phase two and phase three. they're the ones that are going to have to help foster that negotiation. we wish them every luck in doing so and think that would be a very good thing. and if there are ways we can be helpful, i'm sure we will. >> let me ask you about tiktok. i know you're very present on tiktok. you're not. i'm joking, but it it. donald trump announced this morning on in a post that he was going to sign an executive order to delay the implementation. anyone who went on tiktok this morning couldn't go on tiktok. mike johnson said this morning that he thinks it will be an effort to move

forward to a sale to an american company. is that the only way that this could meet the national security standards trump identified in his statement, or how could those standards be met? >> so, jen, it's not just national security standards. there's a piece of legislation, as you know, that lays out exactly what is required now under the law. and i'm not going to parse the details or interpret it other than to say, and i think this is important. the last couple of days, this administration, the biden administration, which is still in office until tomorrow, has been quite clear. we are not going to take any actions that require the drastic step that tiktok decided to take by pulling its platform down. we said that quite publicly. they made a different choice. i think there are clearly conversations going on between tiktok and the new administration, so we'll let those play out. but nothing we said or we did would have required them to take the action that they took. >> clearly a discussion since they thanked trump in the holding place. if you open tiktok this morning, jon finer, thank you for your work. thank you for everything you've done to serve the country. i really

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barack obama when wind chills were in the teens and nearly 2 million people still gathered. it was cold. very cold, i can promise you. heck, i mean, jfk didn't even wear an overcoat when the high was 26 degrees and there were eight inches of snow on the ground. so sure, they say it's the weather. i have a hunch crowd size anxiety might just be a factor. who knows now? well, yes, all of that and the question of having it inside or outside is fun to speculate about and talk about. it's actually the speech itself that deserves the most of our attention, because that's what sets the tone and the priorities for the next four years. so with that in mind, i took a little bit of a look back at trump's inauguration speech in 2017. and here's one small part of that speech i haven't been able to get out of my head. >> the oath of office i take today is an oath of allegiance to all americans, to all americans, in every city near and far, small and large, from mountain to mountain, from ocean

to ocean. hear these words you will never be ignored again. >> okay, so he pledged an oath of allegiance to all americans. he promised you would never be ignored again. i mean, that sounds good. that sounds great. it's not exactly how things played out, was it? i mean, i know we've all collectively memory holed a lot of this, but do you remember how he handled the worst crisis of his first term during the height of the covid 19 pandemic? rather than bring the country together, he repeatedly questioned sending aid to blue states simply because they were governed by democrats. he referred to a covid relief bill submitted by house democrats as a, quote, big bailout for badly run democratic cities and states. he even dismissed the deaths of americans who died in states that didn't vote his way. >> if you take the blue states out, we're at a level that i don't think anybody in the world would be at. we're really at a very low level.

>> if you take the blue states out, which is a reference to the deaths in blue states, i think it's safe to say that is not exactly governing for all americans in every city near and far, as he said. and neither was the way trump handled relief funding when disaster struck in areas outside the perimeters of maga land. after a series of devastating hurricanes hit puerto rico in late 2017, trump reportedly told his staff he did not want a single dollar going to puerto rico. instead, he wanted more of the money to go to texas and florida. he even signed an order directing fema to pay 100% of most disaster costs in florida, a very red state, just two months after threatening to veto a similar proposal for puerto rico, trump withheld wildfire assistance for washington in 2020 after feuding with the state's democratic governor, and in 2018, he initially refused to provide disaster aid for wildfires in california until he was told how many of his supporters lived there. and this way of thinking

didn't just apply to disaster response. i mean, trump's 2017 tax policy not only cut taxes for people who needed it the least, but also disproportionately punished blue states. and his immigration policies also targeted blue sanctuary cities. so that's what we saw last time. regardless of what he said in his inaugural address, we saw a president for some americans, not all americans. we saw an embrace of the red states at the expense of the blue. and some of the early indicators suggest that maybe what we see again, this time, i mean, just this weekend, we learned a deportation operation could start in chicago as early as tuesday and that washington, d.c, philadelphia, los angeles and denver could also be targets. and as california continues to battle one of the worst wildfires in its history, trump and his allies are focused on blaming governor gavin newsom, spreading misinformation and conditioning much needed aid. just listen to how trump laid out his plan to use california as a bargaining chip earlier this week.

>> if you add los angeles into it, then you can really do one big, beautiful bill because frankly, they want that so badly. they want the money to go out there so badly. >> and i don't think we should do a bill until los angeles is included. and when los angeles is included, we get everything we want. >> if we give it to los angeles, we get everything we want. and by that, he means maybe i'll give assistance to the state currently reeling from devastating wildfires. but you can bet i'm going to get something in return. maybe it's raising the debt limit. maybe it's more funding for ice. who knows? and while trump is blatantly admitting he is playing politics with the relief for wildfires that have decimated entire neighborhoods, he sure is finding the time to cozy up to a small group of big tech billionaires. those are the people trump is prioritizing at the very outset of his second term. they will attend tomorrow's inauguration, and they're all expected to have a prominent spot at the ceremony. so the billionaires will be inside and everyone else is out

in the cold. a senator, christopher murphy, put it, it's a metaphor. for the next four years, the billionaires will get the indoor seats and the regular people who paid thousands to come get screwed. so yes, all the evidence from the first term, all of the early indicators, even the visuals, suggest that starting tomorrow, we're going to be back in a place where some citizens are going to mean more to the president than others. california governor gavin newsom is someone who is preparing for this new dynamic, and my conversation with him is coming up next. >> i feel like new sunglasses, like a brand new pair of jeans. i feel like taking chances, i feel alive. feel alive. >> brand new.

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governor gavin newsom and the state of california are up against right now. just listen to what house speaker mike johnson said just this morning on meet the press. >> are you and can you commit the california disaster relief won't have strings attached. >> but no, i won't commit that because we have a serious problem in california. >> listen, there are natural disasters. i'm from louisiana. we're prone to that. we understand how these things work. but then there's also human error. >> and when the state and local officials make foolish policy decisions that make the disaster exponentially worse, we need to factor that in. >> guess what happened in the wake of hurricane katrina? lots of natural disaster assistance in a bipartisan fashion. but that's what got california governor gavin newsom is facing right now. ahead of donald trump's return to office. i traveled to california this week to talk to him about all of it. one of the challenges seems to be that there are infrastructure issues that are far beyond the importance of rebuilding

people's homes, which is, of course, front and center for every human being, every member of the community who has lost their home and lost their school. do you not need or are you not going to need a katrina level type of response that is rebuilding the waterways and the infrastructure in these communities to make sure it won't happen again? >> we're going to absolutely need to do that. and it's interesting as we do the individual home inspections, and i've been doing the damage assessment. i've walked with the damage assessment teams actually with them as they walk through that process. interestingly, in each and every case, they're determining what worked, what didn't work. and so a lot of those lessons learned are being incorporated in real time and ultimately be assessed in the after action report, which will make public even though you don't have an exact estimate, no one should expect you to. >> tens of billions is what you said. you're going to need. of course, money from the federal government, 100%, 100% going to need that. and as you've seen, house speaker mike johnson suggested additional aid might have to come from with certain conditions. senate majority whip john barrasso said he expects funding to have strings attached. senator tuberville

even said california doesn't deserve anything, saying, quote, unless they show us they are going to make some changes. you have been here on the ground in communities for the last week. what is your reaction to the response from leaders in washington? >> well, if that's leadership, i have a different definition. i imagine it would be universally felt here. it's a i'm not meeting democrats. i'm not meeting republicans. i'm not meeting californians. i'm meeting american citizens desperate in need. and what they need is empathy, care, compassion, understanding. they need support, not rhetoric, not strings attached. i mean, i met families who lost not only their home, but their business and their church, their sense of self, place, community. they had a zoom the other night and everyone broke down crying because all they wanted to do was see the faces of one another. and yet that's the face of leadership in the state, the united states of america.

conditioning aid to the american people in need. politicizing this tragic moment. so i'll spare any more commentary on it, except to say i would encourage these people, their human beings, they're parents. i respect that. come out here, visit, visit with these folks and let's have a conversation after that. >> i think it's important for people to understand that this is not historically, traditionally how federal assistance happens. it's typically done with strong bipartisan support, rarely with conditions that are as limiting as what they're suggesting. what is that about? is it because california is considered a blue state? why? >> it's familiar. you know, the president elect said of the previous governor of california, i hate jerry brown. he said in 2018 he was going to withhold fema funding because of fundamental disagreements. so they transcend. he's done that. puerto rico. he's done it in other states. so it's a state of mind and that's well

established. and, you know, was part of what i think people understood when they reelected him. but but we hope that's just rhetoric. there is no success american success without california success. so we're all in this together. it's why i have an open hand, not a closed fist with the president elect. i want him to come out. i'm sincere about that. >> if he came out here, there are some reports that he might be considering a trip, though you haven't heard about it to come out here after inauguration. >> i honestly have a deep confidence he'll come out and we're anticipating he'll come out and i think i think it's a very good thing, and we'll be very grateful and gracious when he comes out. and we look forward to working with him on this recovery. >> what do you want him to see when he comes out here? i want him to meet. >> i don't want him just to see the damage. i want him to meet with the community. i want him to see, and i also want him to understand the magnitude of what just has occurred in the united states of america. i want him to understand the magnitude of, of, of the need for support and his collaborative spirit. i want him to meet with the first

responders, the 15 plus hundred that were on the line heroically in those first hours of this firefight, and hear specifically from them what actually occurred and how heroic they were. heroic police and sheriff officers were, and the folks that were on the ground, how heroic their actions were and how they saved lives and how they should be celebrated, not attacked. in terms of that initial response, i hope he has a chance to do all that. >> in the meantime, he is part of this. disinformation and misinformation push that is making it incredibly difficult for people like yourself and first responders on the ground to get accurate information out there. to the people of california, i'm more interested from you and how damaging it is when you have somebody with that type of a platform who is next week going to be the president of the united states is injecting inaccurate information about a the worst wildfires in

in american history. >> let me answer that by. thanking president of the united states joe biden, who within 36 hours supported a major disaster declaration by text within a few minutes, later committed 100. he could have just committed 75% 90. he said 100% of all the costs for disaster recovery that took the time to meet with first responders was here on the ground. i want to thank president joe biden, and then i want to offer that as an example to the incoming president of presidential leadership, a president of the united states of america. being here for the american citizen, what's not, i think, helpful or beneficial is the string of consciousness, these these wild eyed fantasies that somehow the state water project, we have reservoirs that are at or near historic highs full, completely full that

somehow there's a magical spigot in california and northern california that just can be turned on. and all of a sudden there will be rain or water flowing everywhere. it's not helpful. it's damaging to the very foundation of the notion of what our facts, what our truths. and the fact of that asymmetry that's profound and consequential, amplified by people like, let's be candid, elon musk and others. and that one two punch is real. and it's not just about this fire or hurricane force winds of mis and disinformation that can divide a country. and on a myriad of issues. this is serious. and, you know, i get it. they want to take us. i get it, i'm not naive. i get the california derangement syndrome. i've been living with that for years and years. new scum, you know, the same seventh grade. i remember the guy on baltimore avenue that called me scum. i was in seventh grade. i can handle that. we'll

leave that aside. i understand what they're trying to do. i want to work with them. it's not about me. it's about people that we both represent. he represents and i represent. and i'm honored and proud to represent these folks. and i desperately plead with them, come out here, help us, and we will help you. you'll be elevated, mister president. at the end of the day, you'll be the one we all will go to and say thank you. thank you, sir. thank you for living up to the values of this country. thank you for having the backs of these families and these kids. i met a kid the other day, literally was driving away. their house was on fire in the palisades, and the young daughter said, daddy, did you get my bunny? and he said, i didn't get your bunny. i got four kids. that's what i hope that the president of the united states, president trump, has an opportunity to meet with that family. >> elon musk is one of the tech leaders who is overseeing a platform where fact checking is not a priority anymore. he's

also pushing forward some of this disinformation through his own 200 million followers. he's not an elected official. he spent most of his adult life in california, a state that's suffering right now. how damaging is that? >> full disclosure i've known elon for 20 years. yeah, i have been a huge supporter of elon musk. i've and i have great pride in his entrepreneurial spirit and the investments, next level investments he's made in california. i don't know what happened. i don't and you know it. and it's become increasingly concerning and impactful. and you framed it extraordinarily well. and what he's attempting to do or currently doing is something that needs to be watched very closely by the american people. and it's a very, as i say, sobering and serious moment. and it's bigger than donald trump as well. elon knows what he's doing and he knows how to do it.

>> and i think he knows he's pushing inaccurate information. >> i don't think, you know, come on, why is he doing it? then there's you know, i'll leave that to more objective minds. but it's you know, i've a lot of mutual friends and a lot of folks that don't know what the hell has happened either, and a lot of folks that are part of that train. and that's a hell of a train to be on. and you watch that space, watch it, watch what gets carved out in these reforms, watch who gets what. this is the making of the next level of american oligarchy. american oligarchy? if you wanted to suggest we don't have it already, this will take it to a whole nother level. watch this space. so i. i'm focused on the recovery. i'm focusing on lifting up the hearts and minds of this community. this morning they said, we feel helpless, governor, but we're not hopeless. that's the spirit which i'd rather focus my attention. >> you can watch more of my conversation with governor gavin

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welker yesterday, trump wouldn't describe any details of the operation, but said mass deportations would begin very early, very quickly. now, obviously, part of the goal here is to scare people. part of the goal is to pick a fight with cities donald trump doesn't not like, especially blue ones. and part of the goal is to have cameras ready so that images of ice agents arresting immigrants are blasted out on television and social media. and it's important to note that we have been down a version of this road before. you might not remember this, but back in 2019, trump made a very big deal of previewing mass immigration raids by ice. in a tweet that summer, he said ice was about to begin the process of removing millions of undocumented immigrants, and people were understandably freaked out by that tweet. a couple of days later, his acting ice director said that agents would start a deportation blitz targeting more than 2000 immigrant family members. but in the end, just 35 people were arrested as part of that operation. now, a story like that is likely cold

comfort. and for lots of families across chicago and other big cities that are being mentioned in the news right now. trump's incoming border czar has said that they will try to create a sense of shock and awe. so shock and awe is what we should expect them to try, but what they can actually accomplish is still very much an open question. another open question is what states can do to fight back. here's what illinois governor j.b. pritzker told nbc news after we learned about that potential operation in chicago this week, he said, quote, we have laws that protect people that are undocumented. i'm going to make sure to follow the law. i am concerned that the trump administration and his lackeys aren't going to follow the law. joining me now is the attorney general of illinois, kwame raoul. it's great to see you. thank you for taking the time. i'm sure it's a very busy time. so let me just start with the news, because the washington post reported last night. thank you again for joining me. that trump's borders are tom homan is now reconsidering whether to launch immigration raids in chicago this week after details

leaked out. my guess is the immigrant community there is still very much on edge, but are you still preparing for this to start on tuesday? and how are you preparing? >> well, the same way we've we've prepared on an ongoing basis. >> we here in illinois have what is called the illinois trust act, which mandates that local law, local and state law enforcement cannot be used for immigration enforcement purposes. and so my job is to make sure that my law enforcement partners abide by the law of the state of illinois to make certain that no law enforcement department partakes in immigration enforcement. that is the job of the federal government. it's a job that's been done over several administrations, whether it's the obama administration, the biden administration, and the prior trump administration. but

local law enforcement should not be used for that purpose. >> so it could still start on tuesday. as far as you know, at this point in time. >> correctly. >> correct? correct. and i should note that that unless there is a federal criminal warrant, local local law enforcement cannot collaborate. >> that's an important thing for people to understand. and that seemed to be alluded to in the governor's statement. you just talked about it. so when there's this reference, as the governor said, to his concern that the trump administration, his lackeys aren't going to follow the law, what are you watching for in that regard? is it them trying to pull in local law enforcement or what are you what do you have your eye out on? >> well, certainly, yeah, we have literally within the state, hundreds of local law enforcement departments and local law enforcement leaders with certainly different

political views, some that are more aligned with the incoming president and some some who may be less so. >> but the law is the same for all. and so, notwithstanding what one's personal feelings may be there to abide by the law of the state of illinois, one of the things that we we're also worried about is, you know, many immigrants, undocumented immigrants, are also victims of crime, and they're also witnesses of crime. and we have what's called the voices act that makes sure that we protect those individuals and make sure they have an opportunity for u. visas that our federal government has embraced to make sure that those who are victimized are not further victimized by immigration enforcement. >> that's a very important point for people to understand. help us also understand what legal protections do you have at your disposal? you've mentioned a number of the laws here. if the trump administration isn't following the law within these

operations, what can you immediately do? >> well, we would have to seek relief through the through the courts. you know, we're not envisioning a situation where you have local law enforcement going up against federal authorities. it's important to note that i sit at the head of a law enforcement agency. i partner with local and state law enforcement and federal law enforcement, including homeland security, fbi, atf, dea on an ongoing criminal investigation that might involve non-citizens but also might involve citizens. the same the same approach should be used for citizens and non-citizens. >> one of the some of the reporting is suggesting that obviously, chicago could be a part of the cities targeted. also washington, d.c, los angeles, philadelphia, denver could be an early targets. are

you coordinating with other attorneys general in those states as well? obviously, the state laws are different, but is that something you're coordinating with them on in terms of response? >> yes, certainly. we've we've coordinated on, on on many fronts in anticipation of the new administration coming in as well as we've been doing. so i've been serving as attorney general for the last six years. we've been doing doing so on a whole host of issues throughout my tenure. but certainly, notwithstanding not knowing what the outcome of the november elections would be, we began communicating with one another as to what we might anticipate and how we may collaborate in preparation for such actions. we're told that the incoming president has some 100 executive orders. i don't know what exactly is in those executive

orders, but whether it's immigration, environmental issues, civil rights issues, we have been anticipating that there may be an array of actions that may take place, which we may have to respond to. >> the state attorneys general are such an important front to abiding by the law. thank you so much for joining me and helping explain this to us. i really appreciate your time. coming up, tech billionaires will be front and center at tomorrow's inauguration. i've got some thoughts about why it matters, why it should concern all of us why it should concern all of us when we come back. nothing makes a gathering great like eggland's best eggs. they're just so delicious. with better nutrition, too. for us, it's eggs any style. as long as they're the best. eggland's best.

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the wall for some time. see, the thing to keep in mind about donald trump is that his only guiding principle is what will benefit him personally. consider his stance toward tiktok. i mean, this morning he posted an all caps save tiktok. he also said he'd issue an executive order tomorrow to get tiktok back up and running. and right after that announcement, tiktok said it was restoring services after shutting down last night. but remember when trump was president the first time around, he actually signed an executive order that effectively banned the use of tiktok in the u.s? he suddenly changed his mind during the campaign after meeting with a republican megadonor and major investor in tiktok's parent company. trump had a similar change of tune on cryptocurrency in 2019. he said he wasn't a fan in 2021. he called it a scam, but during this past election, he positioned himself as a champion for crypto. and again, it's not hard to see why. as one crypto executive told cnbc in june, as an industry, we are committed to raising over $100

million and turning out more than 5 million voters for the trump reelection effort. and as we saw on friday, he is also now a player in the crypto space, apparently making over $25 million overnight through a meme coin just days before his inauguration. and to think, jimmy carter sold his peanut farm to avoid any conflicts of interest. it's very sweet looking back. so these ceos and these industries helped donald trump, and then he returns the favor. that's how it goes. elon musk spent a quarter of $1 billion to help reelect donald trump and use the reach of his own social media platform to push maga talking points. and in return, musk will now be an unelected official in the new trump administration and is expected to even have office space at the white house complex. so, yes, the influence that this small collection of billionaires will have is something new this time around, and it will be a new challenge to explain why this agreement between tech billionaires and donald trump is a real danger. and on that point, my friend rachel maddow may have put it

best. >> we haven't yet had the discussion in this country about why oligarchy is bad. >> it's bad for your economy. it's bad for your democracy, yes, but it's also bad for individual people, for the regular things we need to do in order to protect our families and live the kind of lives that we want to live. oligarchy suck for 99.99% of people who live in them. >> oligarchy suck for 99.9% of people who live in them. they're great. if you're a billionaire, how many of those are there out there? bad if you're basically anyone else. and while this agreement may be playing out very openly, it's on all of us to explain why it matters. an oligarchy suck isn't a bad place to start. we're back after a to start. we're back after a quick break. when migraine strikes... do you question the tradeoffs of treating? ubrelvy is another option. it works fast, and most have migraine pain relief within two hours. you can treat it anytime, anywhere.

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