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capital one arena in washington. moments ago, donald trump signed a series of executive orders. he also said he will pardon january 6th defendants as early as tonight. but we begin tonight with the beginning or perhaps the end. you be the judge. no matter how you look at it, today has been an historical day for america. as any presidential inauguration is, but this one a typical for many reasons. for one, it was indoors, presumably because of the weather. though i should note that today's chilly conditions were similar to those at president obama's first and outdoors inauguration in 2009, causing many to speculate that the moved indoors had more to do with concerns that trump couldn't draw a sufficiently large crowd before the official events began. the parade of vehicles carrying the once and future first and second families proceeded down d.c. streets that were practically empty. it was

also the inauguration of the first inauguration of a convicted felon. let's be clear about that, as well as a president elected to two nonconsecutive terms, like only grover cleveland before him, apart from trump, we got a clear picture of who matters to maga, and that is the billionaires. and during the ceremony in the capitol rotunda, tech leaders got prime seating ahead of trump's cabinet and lawmakers. folks like mark zuckerberg, apple's tim cook, google ceo sundar pichai, jeff bezos and shadow president elon musk. the so-called populist president kicked off his second term with billionaires who mixed and mingled with cabinet secretaries and trump family members rubbing elbows in the warm rotunda. it was quite the scene. while the spouses of some of the lawmakers elected by the american people were shunted to an overflow space in the capitol, and

trump's actual base cooled their heels inside the capital one arena over a mile from the capitol. we're late today. they were, i guess you could call it, treated to what you might call an inaugural parade. we also heard a message loud and clear by those who were not present. barack obama and mike pence arrived at the inauguration ceremony alone, without their spouses. instead, former first lady michelle obama decided to skip her husband's work thing, while the former second lady, karen pence, rightfully skipped the inauguration of the man whose supporters wanted to hang her husband. as for donald trump, who refused to participate in the peaceful transfer of power when he was when he left office the last time and fomented a violent attack on the u.s. capitol, for which he was never held accountable. his inaugural message was about unity. >> today is martin luther king

day and his honor. this will be a great honor, but in his honor, we will strive together to make his dream a reality. we will make his dream come true. national unity is now returning to america, and confidence and pride is soaring like never before. >> may king's ghost haunt you? yeah. today was one of those days when the universe delivers its ultimate irony. martin luther king jr day, a federal holiday falling on the same day as donald trump's second inauguration. trump, flanked by billionaires, promising unity while also invoking the racist and violent expansionist doctrine of manifest destiny. and for all his posturing on christianity, weirdly enough, he didn't place his hand on the bibles that melania trump was holding for him. instead, he did talk about going to mars and said that the united states

would seize the panama canal. it all puts to bed the idea that this is not who we really are, when really it is, especially as democrats and elected officials treated this day as a perfectly normal transfer of power, when in fact it is nowhere near normal. but instead it's the culmination of a coup that donald trump started four years ago. joining me now from the us-mexico border in california is jacob soboroff, political and national correspondent for nbc news. also joining me, journalist, author and msnbc contributor paola ramos. melissa murray, nyu law professor and msnbc legal analyst. and molly jong-fast, special correspondent for vanity fair. thank you all for being here. melissa, i do want to start with you, because the legal pretext for donald trump to be able to do this at all was that the man who swore him in john roberts essentially declared him to be essentially a monarch, to be essentially king?

it does feel like today, the missing person at the inauguration was leonard leo. >> well, this is again the culmination of a lot of different movements. so certainly the coup that we saw started on january 6th, but also a much longer effort to capture the federal judiciary, to capture state legislatures by allowing the federal judiciary to absent itself from policing partizan gerrymandering. all of this has happened in concert. a lot of this has happened over a very slow and iterative process. they have played a really fantastic long game, and it has resulted in what we saw here today with john roberts, the man who swears he is an institutionalist, whom we have credited as an institutionalist, but who has authored some of the most disruptive and distortive opinions in the history of this country. the decision that allowed the states to continue to gerrymander their state legislatures without any federal court oversight. and, of course, the immunity decision that we saw, shelby county versus holder. this is a trio that has essentially set the stage for

what we saw today. so the supreme court was there, and they should be because they have had a hand in this. >> i do feel that justice ketanji brown jackson was all of us today, particularly wearing her beautiful beaded necklace that contained these african beads that mean sustenance and also strength and also protection. she was all of us on today. and, you know, the other citizen, the other, you know, supreme court case, i think that was in office, that it was sort of in evidence today is citizens united, because it does feel like the capture of the american presidency and our politics by the moneyed elite was in full effect today. i mean, the oligarchs got better seating than most of the lawmakers and even the future. not very impressive cabinet. yes, it turns out when you don't cap the money that people can give presidential campaigns, then the oligarchy does in fact give and they give generously. >> you saw them in the front row, and i'm not i mean, i think

this is another supreme court decision that set us up that got us here. and it's not surprising. and it is definitely disturbing. and look, they think they're manipulating trump. they think they can get trump to do what they want. they are not the first people to think they can manipulate trump. and you know like look at where rudy giuliani is today. yeah, indeed. >> disbarred and disgraced. but i believe he also did get to arrive. he will be shorn of most of his possessions because he has to give them to ruby freeman and shamos, whom he defamed, the dog. that didn't. let's talk about a couple of dogs that didn't bark, at least not yet. paul ramos, you were in miami today where i think there was some expectation that people like enrique tarrio and others would be getting pardons. donald trump promised on day one he was going to pardon the insurrectionists, whom he's been so supportive of. what's the mood in miami and the level of anticipation there? >> everyone celebrating right now. i'm talking to you, joy from a cuban american restaurant

that's right behind me. it's called las vegas. cuban cuisine. people are celebrating. people are clapping. i spent all day with a man called gabriel garcia. he's 46 years old, a veteran, proud boy. he's someone that was sentenced for one year in prison for storming the capitol and in probably a couple of minutes, hours. according to him, he'll be free. and this is someone, joy, that two years ago showed a lot of remorse. he told me himself that he regretted his actions and right now, and he told me that he was lying to me. not on record, lying to me two years ago. and i think that shows you joy in a place like miami-dade county, where there was a huge rightward shift, where donald trump became, as you know, the first republican presidential candidate in over 36 years to flip this county in a place like here, normalizing political violence, it means something. no, this is the place where, yes, enrique tarrio came of age here. this is a place that saw the rise of the proud boys. this is a place where we have all seen how moms for liberty has been very much

involved in local politics. this is a place where mis and disinformation floods local spanish language radio stations. and so to now understand that perhaps someone like enrique tarrio may be coming back here, someone like gabriel garcia that has never stepped in prison, may be freed today, and that has severe consequences in a place like miami. >> well, let me ask you just one quick follow up, because the miami herald is reporting that donald trump plans to end, you know, what has been a very generous asylum offer to cuban-american migrants as well as venezuelans? is that news starting to resonate, or are people just not yet aware? >> no, people are not yet aware here, but i personally have been talking to some migrants and asylum seekers that are at the border. and one of the things that i think about is that exactly four years ago, from today, january 20th, 2021, i was in the darién jungle and i was walking with asylum seekers that were coming to this country under the belief now that joe biden would restore humanity and

civility in the asylum process at the border. and now what you're seeing right now, and i know jacob, is there, is that the cbp one app is gone. they will they're about to dismantle the asylum seeking process. and so we are about to go back in time. one of the things that i have heard some folks talking about here is this idea that perhaps very soon, mass deportations will start. this is a place, of course, where ice arrests, just in the state of florida, completely spiked within one year of donald trump's first year in office in 2017, it spiked by over 70%. and so i think the point now is to show force, to create a lot of fear and to send a message that they're not just in power, but that they're emboldened. >> yeah. and jacob soboroff, let's go to you because you are, in fact, at the border, and you are also at the republican national convention when you. i think we're i think it's fair to say, a bit disturbed by watching people very gleefully wave signs that said mass deportation. now, it was really kind of the theme of the trump campaign that has

not happened as of yet. he's not signed an executive order ordering mass deportation, but he has spoken very clearly about ending birthright citizenship, about ending the asylum seeking process and trying to return to remain in mexico and mass deportation. what's the mood there on the border? >> yeah. you know, joe, one action that the president has taken, even though he hasn't signed the bulk of those executive orders or the promised ones about immigration. and i'm just seeing this now for the first time. is that part of a group of executive actions that he has revoked include executive order 14001 of february 2nd, 2021. and that was the establishment of the inter-agency task force on the reunification of families. and let me just translate that for everybody. that was the biden administration's task force that was set up, meant to reunify the thousands of parents and children deliberately taken from one another by the trump administration, only to harm

them as a deterrent to scare other families from coming to this country again. in other words, the ongoing effort to reunify as many as a thousand still separated families who were deliberately taken from each other during that zero tolerance policy, is effectively over in the eyes of the trump administration, which has rescinded the executive order that created that task force. just in terms of other practical changes that i can tell you about right now from our our perch in otay mesa, in between the otay mesa port of entry and the san ysidro port of entry, one of the largest land border crossings in the entire world. just over my shoulder there is that that cbp, one app that has been effectively discontinued leaves around 200 between 200 and 300,000 existing appointments that have been made by migrants in order to attempt to seek asylum and win entry into the united states without any recourse. asylum as we know it, is effectively over in the united states with the

dismantlement of that app because of other restrictions that have been put into place by the biden administration. so before president trump signs any more executive orders or actions this evening, that one action of shutting down that cbp, one app has crippled the asylum system beyond where it already had been dismantled here in the united states of america at this hour? >> and where are people presumably going to go? because if they're stuck between mexico and the united states, they've got to go somewhere. and i can't imagine being in texas with that administration in place of the current republican administration in place, seems cannot seem appealing. >> well, we know joy, because when the clinton administration put into place the prevention through deterrence border policy in the 1990s, it was intended to force people to take dangerous and deadly routes into the united states instead of coming in through legal ports of entry. so this area behind me, right here below what is called ernie's point here in the san

diego sector used to be bustling with people coming back and forth on a daily basis, sometimes thousands on any given time. and that type of illegal crossing, a dangerous crossing that is not sanctioned by the u.s. government, is what a closed border forces people into. the u.s. government knows this because they have acknowledged it in documents for decades. and when all legal pathways are sealed to people trying to enter this country, it is the illegal pathways in between ports of entry, even if they are trying to exercise their legal right to asylum that people end up taking and people die as a result of that. >> the cruelty is the point. adam serwer coined the term and it is absolutely true. jacob soboroff, thank you very much, my friend paula. melissa and mollie are sticking with us to discuss the many pardons in the news today, from trump's plans to pardon insurrectionists to biden's last minute preemptive pardons for people who might be targeted by trump as well as members of his own family. we'll members of his own family. we'll be right back.

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of hundreds of his supporters who've been convicted of violent attacks against law enforcement, as well as extending full pardons to his supporters who were not charged with engaging in violence on january 6th. back with me, paola ramos, melissa murray and molly jong-fast. i will go to you first, paola, because you, as you said, you've been interviewing gabriel garcia, who was sentenced to a year in prison. let me just play a little bit of a previous interview that you did with him. >> do you have any regrets at all? >> no regrets at all. >> no regrets. zero. the last time over again. the last time you and i talked was exactly almost two years ago. and you specifically said. you said i regret going that day. and you said if i could have, i would have never gone to washington, d.c. those were your words? yeah. no. did you mean that? >> no, i didn't mean it. >> you didn't mean it. and so now they don't need to mean it. >> he didn't mean it. and i want to remind people of what he did. right. gabriel is someone that livestreamed himself storming

the capitol on january 6th. and he's someone that, as he was livestreaming himself, you can see him interfering with capitol police officers. he's also someone that you can see him in the rotunda and not just using very aggressive language, insulting police officers, but also calling nancy pelosi by her name, saying, nancy, come out and play. and so just to give people a sense of what is about to happen now, someone like him that was, like i said before, sentenced to a year in prison that was supposed to surrender himself joy in february. and it's very likely that he will never serve his time. so i think to me, not today. all of that perfectly captures the moment we're in. you have a donald trump that is being inaugurated in the very same capitol, where january 6th was less than 24 hours ago, under the law, were considered dangerous felons. and today, in a place like miami-dade county, they are considered heroes, not patriots. it was not like that's one of the words that they kept saying. and so that, to me, captures him.

>> what we're living to the point where proud boys today gathered in downtown washington during the inauguration. they felt they own the capitol. now it's theirs. and who's to argue that it isn't donald trump? there, there, there they are marching down the capitol, fully proud, proud boys about what they did. melissa, meanwhile, you're having joe biden feel the need to pardon mark milley, whose apparent crime was describing donald trump as a fascist to the core and not being willing to engage in violence against the american people. your thoughts? >> well, i think president biden said it best when he said i wasn't pardoning these people because they had broken the law, which is typical for a pardon. this is to excuse conduct that was criminal. he said he's granting these pardons because these were people who had actually acted to uphold the law. and that sort of went to the whole question of what is this administration going to do?

it's just going to be about political retribution. mark milley, liz cheney, all of these people, the january 6th subcommittee, all of this. and so that was part of the move to act preemptively. and interestingly, he included members of his own family, again, noting, as he did when he preemptively pardoned or not preemptively when he pardoned his son, hunter biden, that these were people who had been targeted simply because of their association with him. and going forward, he would not be in a position to insulate them from this administration, and no one with any good sense. >> mollie would doubt for a second that donald trump, if he could, would prosecute anthony fauci to entertain the base, that he wouldn't even let watch the inauguration in the same room with him? right. the ones he shunted off to the capitol. he still has to entertain them. he had them watch a weird parade that went around in circles and watch him sign things. that's what they got for traveling and spending all the money to come. but what they're also going to get what they thought they were going to get with theatrical prosecutions of people who

they've learned on twitter that they should hate. biden had to protect those people, right? >> i mean, this is a problem with having one party that still believes in democratic norms and institutions and having another party that doesn't. right. is that that one party then has the responsibility to protect those norms and institutions without the help of the other. >> can i ask you this question? because this is something that i think a lot of people are wondering in their souls. yeah. what's the point of democrats showing up today and making this look normal with their presence? not a lot. i mean, a lot of members of congressional black caucus said no. aoc said absolutely no. michelle obama, absolutely no. mrs. pence, no. but the ones who showed up in a sense did normalize trump today. no. >> well, this is the this is we are in this uncharted territory and there are no good answers. and that's why we keep coming back and forth to what is the right thing to do. right? because the democrats who are there are thinking, i'm not saying they're right. i'm just saying that the thinking is that they are somehow protecting these norms and institutions.

now, i could argue that they're not, but i think that there it is. just when you have one party that has really given up on our system. right? i mean, the republicans will do anything for trump. it's impossible to sort of walk it back and to get some kind of normal democracy. >> and, i mean, we still believe, i mean, and look, then we're left subjected to vice president kamala harris having to get into the car with the man, jd vance, who four days before the election called her the trash. and we're going to take out the trash and the trash. his name is kamala harris. he said those words out of his mouth and, you know, and yet she had to have the decorum to try to treat him like a colleague or some sort of fellow member of the republic. i, i stand her for her, her, her grace. but the other question is donald trump's talking about norms? a norm is that the constitution means what it says, at least until john roberts gets hold of it. the 14th amendment and birthright citizenship is actually written in plain language. i'm not a lawyer, i understand it. how could donald

trump get rid of it with an executive order, or could he? >> well, i think he's going to find out. that's going to be a little harder than he expects. the 14th amendment. and that clause about birthright citizenship was passed in the wake of the american civil war, specifically to repudiate the supreme court's decision in dred scott versus sanford, which said that african americans could not be citizens whether they were born in the united states or not, because they'd been descended from african slaves. it's a repudiation of that view, and it says specifically that if you are born in this country, on this soil, you are a citizen, and he can change the constitution by following the procedures laid out in article five of the constitution, either proceeding through state legislatures or proceeding through congress and then going to state legislatures. but he cannot do this by executive order. so it is true that the supreme court has given him a broad grant of immunity, but they have not yet fully gone the full measure to make him a king. this will surely be challenged. if it is raised, it will wind up in the united states supreme court. and i will be very plain about this. there are probably a couple of members of this

conservative supermajority who have signaled receptivity to something like this, whether there will be five to do so, i think is the bigger question. and i think that requires us to call on the better angels of some of those justices, to be really clear. do they mean that they are faithful to the constitution? because the constitution is very plain about this? >> i mean, the equal rights amendment, according to president, former president biden, is law of the land. let's see if donald trump tries to repeal it. i mean, things and that actually got went through the process of getting 38 states to ratify. paolo, paolo ramos, i'm going to give you the last word here, because you are in miami right now where people are, as you said, celebrating donald trump's ascendancy back into the white house. but miami is full of people, some of whom were very strong supporters of his, that would be vulnerable if birthright citizenship is removed. they would no longer be able to count on the constitution to protect their presence in this country. and i wonder at some point, is that going to start filtering out to

some of the people that you've talked to? >> i think i think that remains to be seen. i think the point is, the story right now is that it is the same donald trump, but he is governing a very different america, an america that in the last two years has fundamentally shifted on the right on this issue, something that in miami-dade county is full of contradictions. no, this is a majority latino county. over 50% of the population here are immigrants. now, these are people that could be racially profiled. if ice comes around in these roads and tries to do a raid or do a traffic stop. so i think it remains to be seen. and i think of some of the words that joe biden said just a couple of days ago. right. he said, america, now it's your turn to stand guard. so i think the evolution of this story is how will we all react when these ice raids happen? how will these latino and immigrant families react when they see that their nanny is being deported? no. or the gardener is being deported or their friends are being deported. and i think that is sort of the collective moral cry

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doctor king added, though through our scientific and technological genius, we have made of this world a neighborhood, and yet we have not had the ethical commitment to make of it a brotherhood. but somehow and in some way, we have got to do this. we must all learn to live together as brothers, or we will all perish together as fools. joining me now is doctor king's son, martin luther king, the third reverend amos brown, pastor of the third baptist church of san francisco and president of the san francisco naacp. and reverend al sharpton, president of the national action network and host of politics nation on msnbc. martin luther king, the third. i go to you first to ask how it felt for you as his son, to see his day coincide with the nomination of donald trump.

>> you know, it takes a lot of thought on that question, because there's such a glaring difference of who people are. >> not that anybody has to be like martin luther king, but the fact that in the past and even today, while donald trump talked about unity, many of the executive orders that he is proposing to sign do not represent the vision that martin luther king jr. espoused. and so i guess it is what it is. >> but the question is, what do we do in the progressive community? >> we cannot be silent. we've got to engage in a different way. and i you know, i've been saying today that the only thing this society understands, and my father gave the example and it actually during the rosa parks, during the movement when rosa

parks was arrested and for 385 days, the community chose not to ride busses. we got to look at seriously whether we're going to divest and how do we create a structure to do that, because that's the only thing that people understand when they are mistreating you, when you're disrespected. dad wanted all people to be respected with dignity, and that is just not happening. >> reverend amos brown, you studied under doctor king when he taught at morehouse. and i do know, because i interviewed you about your work with medgar evers when you were just a teenager. i ask you the same question. your feelings on the juxtaposition between these two men, the great doctor, reverend doctor martin luther king jr, and the current occupant of the white house. >> ever since, our president as being the lower angels and doctor king being the higher

angel. >> that is the truth. there's no way that you can reconcile the rhetoric, the roaring, and the kind of reactionary politicking that this president has embraced. doctor king was about pulling people together. he was about respecting the worth and the dignity of all humankind. he believed in doctor brightman's theory of personalism. what does that mean? regardless to how different we may be as human beings, they are persons, and we should never do things that will cause harm, hardship and horror for others. and all we have to do is just touch the record and realize that this president has shown himself not to be of civility, kindness, love,

respect, and a global world citizen. >> yeah. >> you even have in this nation persons who have embraced conservative religiosity. that is not about jesus of nazareth, but is about power, money and racism. and that's why we still have not fulfilled doctor martin luther king's dream of the beloved community. >> amen to that, reverend. my big brother. there's a lot going through my spirit today. but, you know, jesus loved the immigrant. donald trump has the promise to deport and persecute the immigrant. he preached love, as reverend brown has said. donald trump has celebrated and sort of luxuriated in those he hates. and so luxuriated in it that president biden felt he had to pardon people. he thought he might, that he might persecute you today, were inside of a very

special church in dc holding a rally. your thoughts on today? you're a you were young, so you weren't with king when you were young and little kid. but talk about. >> no, i did. i saw doctor king twice as a kid, but i joined the movement when i was 12, in the north. and what made doctor king a national figure is what we picked up today at metropolitan ame, a church that had the funeral of frederick douglass and where the body of rosa parks was brought. doctor king called an economic boycott as martin luther just talked about, and hit him in the pocketbook. and what we said today is that these companies that are now saying they're going to back up off of diversity and equity and inclusion, should therefore not have a diverse consumer base. you don't want diversity, then we should not buy your products. and we're going to name what we're going to take 90 days work with other groups and come up

with 2 or 3 companies that we're going to make. the example of doctor king is withdraw dollars. donald trump can't make us spend money for companies that will not deal and commit and continue with diversity and equity and inclusion. and on martin luther king federal holiday, a holiday that coretta scott king, martin, the third's mother and bernice's mother fought for, stevie wonder and others, we all marched for on that holiday. you're going to pardon people that did violent acts on the day that the personification of nonviolence in american history, that we're celebrating him. his answer to doctor king is, i'm going to let hoodlums, thugs who not only did violence but did it in the capital and pardoned them. how do you pardon them without saying you're pardoning doctor king's meaning 1500 pardons. >> you're watching him very proudly putting his magic marker

signature on 1500 pardons for january 6th. insurrectionists, six commutations. that sounds to me like all of them. i mean, this was about 1500 people who were prosecuted. there were convictions as recently as this past week, and he has now sat down in the oval office to sign the pardons of the insurrectionists. he has just done it. your thoughts? >> my thoughts are that this is the antithesis to what doctor king stood for, but what the country should stand for, because what we're really saying is that if you want to stop the transfer of power, because that's don't forget, they didn't just go and have a riot for a riot's sake. and they did do that. have an insurrection for insurrection sake. they wanted to stop the certification of an election that people voted to have, which doctor king and others fought to give us the voting rights act. he's going to go against the principles of voting in this country and the

principles of nonviolence by signing those pardons tonight, martin luther king the third. >> your thoughts on this? i mean, your father preached nonviolence. some of the people who have gotten commutations today and pardons committed extravagant violence in the capital. >> well, it certainly is a very mixed message and confusion, particularly when you're looking at our young people and the example that we should be setting. young people are confused because you see these images that you remember back when people busted windows out in the capitol and went down to the united states house floor, just disrespecting the entire government. and you're saying, oh, that's alright, because you were doing it because you were trying to as rev, say, validate me. it's very it's a sad day in american history, quite frankly. and when history is written,

it's not going to look like people were on the right side of history. >> paypal let me bring in paola ramos, who is in miami, to get your reaction and the reaction of people that you're talking with. i mean, this is the completion of the coup. you know, if january 6th, 2021, was donald trump sending people to the capitol to attempt to overthrow the government, to overthrow an election, and violently so, this is the completion of that action. he was returned to office as people ignored the violence of january 6th, to say nothing of the deaths of during covid. and now he has said to those who went to the capitol for him, you are free to go. >> you know what i think about right now, joe? i think about one of the main chants that the january 6th insurrectionists were singing inside the rotunda, and they said something along the lines of whose house? and then people responded, our house. and i think that chant in

perfectly captures this moment, which was rioters that didn't want america to head in this direction, that did not want to see an evolving america, that did not, did not want to see the evolution of black and brown people. and they did everything they could to stop it. and in that chant, our house, they were claiming their country. and i think the, the, the feeling that i get just from today, just from having some conversations with people like gabriel garcia, who also stormed the january 6th insurrection, it almost feels like the echo of that chance. now. they feel not just like potentially liberated people, but now liberated with a sense of revenge and with the sense that they're taking back their country, you know? and so that's what i keep thinking about. the our house. >> reverend amos brown, you grew up in mississippi, where the confederate flag was lorded over you and others, where emmett till was murdered as a young black boy who dared to come from

chicago and not be, in their minds, sufficiently deferential in the south, these insurrectionists waved and carried the confederate flag inside our capitol. that was not even done during the civil war. that has never been done until the january 6th insurrection. those people donald trump has declared to be heroes, to be wrongfully incarcerated, to be, you know, political prisoners. he is now giving them the presidential seal of approval. the people who brought a noose to lynch mike pence, and the people who threatened to lynch the speaker of the house, nancy pelosi, and who waved the confederate flag inside our house, the people's house. your thoughts on these commutations and pardons? >> it is very much unamerican. >> it is not consistent with the ethic of jesus of nazareth. it

is barbaric. and our nation is in a terrible state that we have people who contradict themselves, who claim to be for law and order, but they are only concerned about their selfish gain, their power, their race. we ought to be concerned about the human race. we ought to be concerned about america being one nation under god, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. and it troubles me that even the people who claimed to be followers of jesus, who've been around mr. trump, they have proven to be false. i don't know exhibits of jesus. they represent not jesus, but their biases, their bigotry,

their religion. but in this nation, we are, through the constitution, guaranteed freedom from religion and freedom of religion. so all of this stuff about nationalism, making america a christian nation, that's a farce. if we are really following jesus, we are ambassadors of love. love. but all we see is hate and violence fundamentally coming from those persons who, unfortunately, are supporting this administration. just think of the violence that's been committed against families breaking up families. they claim to be in favor of family values, and yet they are specific instruments of division aimed sadness and destruction.

>> rev, you know, to me, i found so many things today that that to me spoke of apostasy. donald trump speaking of making doctor king's dream real, not putting his hand on the bibles. melania trump was standing next to him in her signature hat, holding two bibles. he didn't put his hand on them and took the oath of office without touching the bible. yet his base are self-described evangelical christians, mostly white, christian, and self-described, in some cases, white christian nationalists. donald trump just signed an executive order ending birthright citizenship. prospective birthright citizenship, meaning future children born in this country. he will not consider them to be citizens, as we know, as mr. murray explained, and as we know who studied the constitution in any way. birthright citizenship was created because of black people, because of the formerly

enslaved, and they were not in the dred scott decision, considered citizens, let alone people. the 14th amendment is very personal to african americans. he has said. it is no more. he has announced during what we're seeing here on our screen that ice raids will begin. they will be begin kicking in doors to drag brown people. let's just be clear, brown and black people to throw them out of the country. this is white supremacy and white nationalism. sorry, there just isn't another word for it. this is not christianity. and yet donald trump today attempted to wrap what he is doing to wrap what he is doing around the god that we grew up serving as a god of mercy, as a god, as a reverend, amos brown has said, as a god of love, that's not this. what is this to you? >> what this is, is an absolute. a real example of a man trying to distort what the bible was

about, which he claimed, which he wouldn't even touch. today. it's about the arrogance of trying to kidnap what doctor king's dream really meant. let's not forget when donald trump first took office, he hung in the oval office. the picture of president andrew jackson saying that was his favorite president. andrew jackson was the one that appointed to the supreme court judge roger taney, who presided over the dred scott decision, that we had no rights anyone was bound to respect. and he's doing andrew jackson, not doctor king's dream. jackson's dream that black and brown people have no rights that we are bound to respect. he told us who he was. yes. and we need to stand up and fight back. because if we do, those big tech billionaires, if we start taking our dollars back, we can do what king did.

so the real dream of doctor king, he started with a montgomery boycott. his life was taken when he was organizing poor people, not billionaires, in a church where doctor where president trump stood in front of that same church that he went to this morning holding up a bible, some say upside down, condemning protesters over george floyd. and all of these companies said, we're going to pour money and do things for diversity, are now taking that back. he represents the very antithesis of what doctor king and what america fought for and what we won the civil war over. >> indeed, paola ramos has some new reporting from miami. paola, what have you got? >> well, you and i were talking. my producer just told me that maybe five minutes ago. gabriel garcia, right behind me in this restaurant in in las vegas. cuban cuisine. gabriel garcia, a january 6th insurrectionist who was sentenced to one year in prison. he just cut off his

monitor ankle bracelet, which he's had for a little bit over two years at this point. and he officially cut off his ankle bracelet. he's making a statement, and he believes that he is being pardoned, along with thousands of 1600 other people. and so i think that just points to the mood that people are feeling right now. he is celebrating. one of the things he said is that after this, he would be picking up his six friends. and i also think about one of the things he told me two years ago when i asked him, gabriel, why did you storm the capitol on january 6th? his response was that, among other things, joy. he won because he believed that there was an invasion of communism taking over washington, d.c. i mentioned this because it shows you the power of donald trump in this moment, right. as you know better than anyone in a place like south florida, donald trump and a lot of people in the republican party have exploited that fear to the point that it led. and it drove countless people like gabriel garcia, who just cut off his ankle bracelet.

it drove people like him to the us capitol. and yeah, he's celebrating. >> indeed. rev, you know who else was accused of communism was doctor king, and he was accused of being a communist. >> yeah, but that's why we're going to fight on. because one of the people that called him a communist was ronald reagan. yeah. and ronald reagan ended up having to sign the law or the bill that made this a federal holiday for doctor king. so the bad news is we're back where we were. the good news is, some of us know how we got out of that, and we need to practice that now. >> indeed. well, let me go back to you one more time, because one of the things that donald trump did was to sign not just this birthright citizenship executive order, which, again, the constitution might have something to say about that. one cannot amend the constitution from the oval office. although donald trump believes that he is a king, and maybe even more than that. but that is not the case.

he also announced that they are going to begin ice raids. the irony here is that the january 6th insurrectionists have been declared to have a clean bill of legal health, while people who are cleaning homes, people who are working in restaurants, people who are working in meatpacking places, people who are working in the fields in on, you know, farms baking, the food that we eat, taking care of children, going to school, minding their business, trying to live a life, maybe even running businesses. they could soon be declared criminals so that the criminals are the victims and the victims and or the people who are feeding us, literally feeding us, will soon be potentially declared criminals. your thoughts? >> well, i think that's one of the things that i've heard a lot from different january 6th insurrectionists. they would tell me, i'm not the criminal, it's them. know i'm not the one that deserves to be in prison.

it's them. and that is an argument that i've been hearing for the last two years. but i think just to connect the dots on this historic day, i think the university of chicago did a study over two years ago, and it found that the underlying reason why a majority of january 6th stormed the capitol was because of the great replacement theory. and i think so much of the immigration agenda that is about to unleash right now, the basis of that ideology is exactly based on that, that great replacement. now, it's based on two things that there's an invasion at the southern border, and that migrants and immigrants are inherently criminals. and those two elements serve to prevent sort of this country from remaining what it has to be. and so it is all completely related. >> yeah. and not just any migrants, migrants who are brown and black. let's bring in fred trump. thank you, paola ramos. let's bring in fred trump, donald trump's nephew and author of all in the family the trumps and how we got this way. i just want to get your thoughts on all the things that we have seen today, including the pardon of 1500 insurrectionists and the

commutation of six sentences, which would mean even some of the most violent insurrectionists have gotten a clean bill of health from your uncle today. >> well, thanks first, joy, for having me back on your show. >> i've been listening. just the spirit of what's been happening today and obviously just getting the news also about these, the news of the insurrectionists being pardoned and sentences commuted. i just want to add to your list of people who are living in fear, starting right now, a group of people that are very important to me and that i speak about very much in my book, caregivers for the disabled in this country, who are overwhelmingly from other countries who are mostly black. latino, they are going to be

living in fear. and these are the people that take care of our children, our parents, and eventually who will be taking care of us. why they should be living in fear is beyond me. if they're here legally and doing such. you want to talk about god's work? believe me, my wife and i live this every day with what goes on in the community of the complex disabled. it's scary for parents to think that people that are taking care of our child could somehow be taken away from him. it's a sad day. it's an embarrassing day for me. >> and it is a sad day indeed for everyone because i think people are not connected. fred, as you, you know, have so well explained with how what high percentage of the nurses and caregivers and health professionals and health care professionals and helpers in

this country are immigrants, some of whom are undocumented and some of whom are not? >> when the whole issue is going on with haiti, the haitians in ohio. yeah, i spoke out in every interview, every person i spoke to, hey, there are many haitian people who are incredibly hardworking, who help take care of my son. and believe me, it is a long, long day taking care of somebody like my son with his complex disabilities. god bless them all for doing so. >> indeed, fred trump, please come back. thank you so much. i appreciate you speaking out because you're speaking out against family. that takes a certain amount of courage. and i thank you. martin luther king the third. thank you so much for being here to honor your father, the reverend amos brown, who is vice president harris's pastor, among many, many other wonderful things. reverend al sharpton, my big brother, and inside pastor. and paola ramos, thank you for your brilliant reporting. thank you all. and