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>> good morning. >> 11 a.m. eastern, 8 a.m. pacific. i'm jose diaz-balart. the prayer service at the president and the vice president are at is actually continuing at this hour here in washington, d.c, and we're just kind of going right into it. >> this is what's happening at the national cathedral here in washington. >> let's just listen in for a second. >> this as the nation and the world really kind of attempts to absorb everything president trump did on his first day in office. several of the president's first day actions focused on immigration, border security, one of his top issues during the campaign. these actions included ending birthright citizenship for future children born in the u.s. to mothers who were here undocumented, declaring a national emergency at the

southern border, suspending refugee resettlement in the united states, declaring mexican cartels and two latin american gangs. >> foreign terrorist organizations, and ending the cbp. one program that app for asylum seekers. >> that move has left tens of thousands of people waiting in limbo in mexico, trying to figure out their next steps. >> vemos muchas personas esperamos por mucho tiempo y creo esta mal caiga como, por ejemplo, cancelado las programas. >> yo entiendo, pues cancelado la aplicacion, pero la cita no seguido porque hay muchas personas realmente necesitamos. >> mike pence por motivos bastante dificil. casi todos somos por muchas cosas. asi cuando tenemos de nuestro pais. >> a woman who's in mexico

saying that people have been waiting for such a long time, and that she thinks that it's wrong, that the appointments, appointments that were already set for many people were actually canceled. along with the app, she says. a lot of people have been waiting and really need asylum and have faced really difficult things when leaving their countries. and now now that opportunity is shut down with us now. washington post reporter alds hernandez in el paso, texas. al noor, an immigration attorney, past president of the american immigration lawyers association. nbc news homeland security correspondent julia ainsley and krish o'mara vignarajah, president and ceo of global refuge, which helps refugees settle here in the united states. or at least you. you were with migrants in ciudad juarez when they found out about their asylum appointments being canceled. there's that video that you recorded of how they reacted to the news. let me go to that. >> amiga. icu for.

>> my niece. what was that moment like? >> well, to tell the truth, there is a there was a lot of shock in the beginning. like people didn't know how to react. they were looking for confirmation either through friends and family or from us or mexican officials who were coming down the bridge to deliver the news. and it was shock. and then as slowly as time progressed, people realized that their opportunity to enter the united states had evaporated with the executive order. >> and so the, the cbp one actually shut down and then also released the appointments that had been already agreed to were canceled as well. >> that's correct. a lot of the people who were in line at that time, they would have been for the 1 p.m. appointment. and so

they had gotten there early. and actually, cbp officials on the bridge had told them to come back at 11 a.m. and they had stood waiting in line, something that happens every day at eight different ports of entry. they were still on the impression that they still might be able to come up the bridge. but last friday, actually, many of these people received a notice on the cpf that they had been reprogramed to february 8th or february 9th as well. so some people are still holding out hope that this suspension is temporary. >> yeah. and julia, my question would be, is that suspension temporarily as some hope for what happens to the people who had already received appointments through an app, which is the way the government until yesterday told the people this is the way legally to deal with trying to ask for asylum. >> right. >> well, they were incentivized to come this way. >> and as we know, because of a legal pathway through that app and through other legal pathways the biden administration set up, there was a sharp decrease in the number of people trying to

cross the border illegally. >> they were told, this is the way, get in line. >> and now they've come to the end of the road there. and that's why you see that devastation. now, if it's up to the trump administration, they don't want to ever see this app again. and they wouldn't on their own restore these appointments. >> but there is a legal challenge we just saw. yesterday, the aclu asked for an emergency hearing here at a federal court in d.c, saying that this judge can no longer allow cbp one to be canceled, along with some of the asylum restrictions the biden administration already put in place because cbp one was the one argument the biden administration had to say, look, we do still allow asylum. so with this canceled, it effectively ends this international right, for people to claim asylum when they're fleeing fear and persecution at the u.s. border. so that's something the courts are going to have to grapple with now. jose, if this is canceled, what window what opportunity does anyone have to actually escape fear and come to the united states? >> yeah, i mean, and chris, i mean, there are very few avenues for people who are trying to

leave their areas and come to the united states to request asylum. >> i mean, one of the issues, of course, donald trump also, another executive order yesterday suspending that refugee resettlement program, which was a bipartisan supported program. what is the impact of that? >> it's going to have huge implications. you know, when president trump signed the executive orders, he highlighted how he supports legal immigration. when you think about the refugee resettlement program, this is a program that has operated over more than four decades. we resettled as many refugees under republican administrations, as democratic administrations. president reagan resettled over 600,000 refugees. these are people who go through extreme vetting. they go through health clearances, they wait their turn. and only when they are processed do they come into the u.s. right. >> so this is from outside the u.s. the process begins and is actually it begins middle and ends before they even enter the united states. and so what are who are those people that have

been coming in? >> so these are people from ukraine, afghanistan, syria, the democratic republic of congo. they crossed an international border. they apply through the united nations or through the u.s. embassy. and so thousands are now paralyzed because they waited their turn. they they went through the legal process. and now the program has been suspended. >> and, jose, i'll just say on that, too, the language in that executive order was so vague, it says that the refugee admissions program is suspended until it aligns with u.s. interests. >> that's a very nebulous goal to reach. >> yeah. and, alan, another issue that was brought up yesterday by the president in his executive orders was to end birthright citizenship. >> i mean, it's part of the 14th amendment of the us constitution. the president says that this is something that has to end. is this something the president can actually do unilaterally? alan. >> so for law school and everything, i know as a lawyer,

he cannot. >> and i think it was the biggest cry last night for civil rights lawyers and immigration lawyers to assemble to sort of help fight back some of these attacks on the constitution is not something that he can do. and furthermore, we should understand that the executive order does not level up to the constitution, laws or regulations that are currently in practice. >> they are unfunded. >> there's no personnel, there's no policy, and there's no purse behind. many of the things that he said last night, they were basically just prayers of his and all, just a function. he could not institute 200 policies across this big institution. when he's removed the heads of most of these institutions and sort of get some effective thing done. >> and so, alan, what is the importance and the significance of birthright citizenship? >> well, as an african american born in this country, it's everything to me in the history of civil rights within this country and sort of the equalization of people born here. >> it's also the foundation of our country. we have 180 years of precedent that says that this is the way our country will receive people who are born here. part of the problem for me

is if we are really solving for immigration, then we won't have the problem of people being born in the country that don't have a legal right to be here. and if people don't have a legal right to be here under the executive order, and they don't fall under the constitution of the united states, then how are we able to remove them? >> how are they subject to any of our laws if we don't see them as citizens or in operations under our sovereignty? >> so there's a lot of problems within the legal construction of the document that i'm sure the aclu will point out. but also just as a fundamental issue, this is what our country has been based on for a very long time. and much like many of the other supreme court cases, i mean, we saw roe versus wade fall. hopefully the 14th amendment will not go the same way. >> chris, what are your biggest concerns? >> i think i'm troubled by the fact that aside from the designation of cartels as terrorist organizations, this is a gift to cartels. when you essentially institute executive orders that are entirely about deterrence, you are not supporting a legal pathway to come into the us. you're essentially pushing people who are coming from the most extreme circumstances to rely on human

smuggling operations. and so i think i worry when president trump says companies are going to come to the us. we already have 8.1 million jobs. when you tell someone who's here on an h-1b visa, right, like the it engineers who are working with our ai companies, that you can no longer assume birthright citizenship, you are upending a system that has been placed. >> you know, i want to ask you about that. and, julie, i want your opinion on that, too, because the designation of the cartels in mexico as terrorist organizations, as well as the mara salvatrucha or ms. 13, as well as the tren de aragua, the venezuelan venezuelan group, it's interesting to watch. the maduro government had some reaction immediately to that as well. not true. but what is the what is the issue with declaring people organizations that indeed do have a they're the enemies of the united states? what's the problem with designating them as terrorists? >> look, i mean, so when you go after these cleared gangs

operating on the u.s, on u.s. soil, absolutely. that's the role of ice. but we also have a principle of posse comitatus, where you don't want domestic troops to be operating in the interior. we saw president trump under the first administration want to and deploy us troops in minneapolis. that's not the role of armed forces. so yes, we need to go after these gangs, but we also need to do it in a legal fashion. >> and i'll just say as well, i mean, when you talk to people in the mexican government, this is an absolute red line. if it opens up any kind of role of what we see, of how the us has been able to use drones on terrorists that are designated overseas, if there's any kind of military action into mexico, mexico would then want to reinstate its sovereignty. >> that that is not what the us can be allowed to do. >> now, the us military in the past has gone in and trained mexican forces, and they've been able to combat cartels that way. >> but training versus actually going in and enforcing and arresting and killing is completely different. >> claudia sheinbaum has talked about it, talked about it yesterday, her morning. the president of mexico talked about

it in her morning news conference, talked about it again this morning. but the fact is that that is something that is going to be really interesting to watch how the united states and mexico deal with an issue when the united states government labels people that are right there, and that in much of the country control parts of the country, how do you deal with them? >> well, and of course, what the trump administration might be thinking is, look, mexico needs us for trade. >> we can do whatever we want there. they're ready to come in and really strong arm this relationship. but they're missing a key piece in that. the trump administration is entirely dependent on mexico for immigration enforcement. >> mexico tripled their interdiction of us bound migrants, said yesterday the mpp. >> and so they haven't agreed to that. they took. >> we'll back up a second there. >> trump announced that he would reinstate remain in mexico and that came unilaterally. they did not have an agreement with mexico to start taking back those migrants, as they had an agreement and the first trump administration. so if they don't agree to that and there's a hurdle there, they're really going to mess up relations if they start going after the

president of mexico did say that she was already planning on how to deal with that unilateral decision of the united states when, if mexican repatriations start. >> and i'm just wondering, alds, you know, what are people on the ground there saying in el paso about the promised ice raids that many thought were going to begin today, among other places in chicago, but that have been delayed but could start any minute now? >> yeah, in el paso and in cities across the country, you have coalitions of organizations, immigrant rights attorneys who are just telling people to remember to, you know, what their rights are, that immigrants still have undocumented or not have due process rights in all of this. they don't have to open the door if they hear a knock, and it might be an immigration and customs enforcement. and so, i mean, without knowing exactly how this goes, because immigration raids are not exactly supposed to be predictable, people are bracing themselves. but in some communities you will see people sort of lighter foot traffic,

people deciding to stay home, perhaps instead of taking their kids to school or going to work at the regular hours. and so i think we don't know how or what, you know, what will happen to these communities as this plays out. >> but at least hernandez, eleanor, julie, ainsley, krish o'mara, vignarajah, thank you very much for being with us. we really appreciate it. up next, new reaction after president trump pardoned 1500 people charged or convicted in the january 6th attack on the capitol. plus more hearings on capitol hill today as several nominees get closer to confirmation, including pete hegseth oversees dozens of families still waiting for hamas to release their loved ones. you're watching jose diaz-balart you're watching jose diaz-balart reports on aveeno introduces new daily moisturizing cream. it's clinically proven to moisturize dry skin for 48 hours. and instantly strengthen skin's barrier. for softer, smoother skin. aveeno. the power of oat for sensitive skin.

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attended this service, where they will hear prayers for the nation from different religions, from christian religions, from muslim and jewish faiths as well. and there will also be music, lots of hymns, but also some patriotic music there as well. and it will be interesting, i think, to hear what the clergy members say in their prayers and in their remarks during the service. today, we know that the episcopal church has come out over the years in support of migrants and of refugees, and they've taken the steps of encouraging government to also be aware of treating migrants and refugees with dignity and respect and humanity. and so we'll be listening for things like that. we'll be listening to see if there's any reference to issues related to the lgbtq community. that is also a group of people that the episcopal church has come out in support of in different ways. and so with the executive orders that we saw signed last night that

impact both of those groups as well as many, many others, it will be interesting to see what the prayer service today entails as it relates to those topics. this should be a fairly lengthy service. >> aaron gilchrist, i thank you very much. appreciate it. you know, the largest criminal investigation in fbi history is coming to an end as some january 6th defenders were released from jail and are now walking free after their cases were dismissed. it comes less than 24 hours after presidential pardons by both former president biden and president trump, with trump following through on another campaign promise, issuing pardons for about 1500 criminal defendants charged in the january 6th attack on the capitol in 2021. joining us now, msnbc contributor paola ramos and peter baker, chief white house correspondent for the new york times and an msnbc political analyst. paola, you spent the day with one of the proud boys who was sentenced for his actions on january 6th. what did you what did he have to say?

>> well, because first of all, i'm sure you recognize where i am right now. let me tell you that i'm in café versailles. cafe versailles is in the neighborhood of little havana, in miami, as you know. and i mentioned this visit because this is the neighborhood where enrique tarrio, the former chairman of the proud boys, and this is where he grew up, in this neighborhood in little havana, in miami. we just got an update from enrique tarrio family stating that enrique tarrio is scheduled to land here in the miami international airport at 3:05 p.m. from a southwest airlines. and as you mentioned, jose, yesterday, less than 24 hours ago, i was at a january 6th park and watch party that was organized by gabriel garcia, one of enrique dario's friends. now, gabriel garcia is also a proud boy. he's the son of cuban immigrants. he's a veteran, and he was sentenced to one year in prison due to his actions on january 6th. but what we saw him doing at 7:30 p.m. yesterday, jose was literally cutting off his court ordered ankle bracelet, and that was his form of celebrating. and so i

think this is why it's important to get in their mind and understand how many of these january 6th rioters are feeling right now. and take a listen to what gabriel garcia told me. >> no regrets at all. >> no regrets. zero. the last time over again. >> the last time you and i talked was exactly almost two years ago. and you specifically said. you said i regret going that day. and you said, if i could have, i would have never gone to washington, dc. those were your words? yeah. >> no. did you mean that? no, i didn't mean it. >> are you still wearing your gps ankle bracelet? what do you plan on doing with that? >> cutting it off and taking your shooting range to a shooting range? >> yeah. >> i would love to shoot it up with everything i got. >> jose, i also asked gabriel in that interview what message he thought that those pardons are sending to americans, particularly those americans that fear for people like him. and he said, and i'm quoting him, there are no more safe spaces. i also want to make a correction. tomorrow, january

22nd, is when enrique tarrio is scheduled to land here in miami international airport. not today, but tomorrow. i wanted to make that correction. >> all right. thank you for that. and, peter, i mean, vice president vance and trump's nominee for attorney general, pam bondi, were asked about the pardons before trump took office. here's what they had to say. listen to this. >> if you protested peacefully on january the 6th and you had merrick garland's department of justice treat you like a gang member, you should be pardoned. if you committed violence on that day, obviously you shouldn't be pardoned. >> do you believe that those who have been convicted of the january 6th riot, violent assaults on our police officers should be pardoned? that's a simple question. >> so, senator, i have not seen any of those files. >> of course, if confirmed and if asked to advise the president, i will look at each and every file. >> but let me be very clear. in speaking to you, i condemn any violence on a law enforcement officer in this country.

>> president trump even said in his time magazine interview last month that he was going to issue the pardons on a case by case basis. is peter, is that what he did? >> no. absolutely not. he issued a blanket pardon that covers 1500, 1600 people, many of whom were convicted, of course, of violence and only 14 who were considered to be the most violent were commuted. the sentences were commuted, not fully pardoned, but they're also getting out of prison if they're there, including, you know, some of the most, you know, some of the ones who are convicted of seditious conspiracy and violence against the government. so all of these statements by j.d. vance and pam bondi, they had no worth whatsoever. pam bondi obviously did not go through all of the files because in fact, you know, there are 1600 of them. she hasn't been confirmed. she didn't do that. she wouldn't have done that, obviously, because president trump didn't want her to do that. that's not what he was planning to do all along, most likely. and what we see here is that the assurances that people

have have had over recent days, trying to tell people that trump won't go as far as they worry he will go on this and on other issues we've already seen, in fact, have not been true. >> yeah. >> and peter, i mean, on the other hand, trump has been pretty clear for some time now that this is something that he was considering and probably planning to do. >> yeah, he made clear that he thinks these people who stormed the capitol to try to stop the transfer of power, in many cases beat police officers, are, if not victims, even heroes. and they are he uses the word hostages, not defendants or suspects or or prisoners. and his view of them is that they are patriots. now he is what a what a difference 24 hours makes right in the morning yesterday, president biden, the outgoing president, pardoned the people who investigated the attack for fear that they would be politically persecuted by the next administration. by the end of the day, incoming president trump has now pardoned the people who attacked the capitol, who actually beat police

officers, the same police officers who were there just yesterday protecting president trump as he was being sworn in. >> and peter, then the really unusual nature of then president biden, just about 15 minutes before he was going to relinquish power at about 11:45 a.m, putting out these blanket pardons for five family members. i mean, that's what kind of a statement is that? >> well, we've never seen anything quite like that before. we have had presidents who have pardoned family members. bill clinton, on the way out, pardoned his half brother roger, who had been years before convicted on drug charges, that sort of thing. we saw president trump pardon his son in law's father, jared kushner's father, on old charges, but we've never seen a preemptive pardon like this for president's family other than the hunter biden pardon just a few weeks back. and what it says is, of course, that what president biden on the way out said is he's convinced that the new president will target his family, and he wasn't

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outlier for trump, or do you think there's anybody else that could get anywhere close to this level of support? >> no, it's an outlier, jose. absolutely an outlier, not an outlier. historically, though, marco rubio is a senator. a senators get tremendous deference in confirmation processes. and i think on capitol hill, there's you know, there's still that collegiality. that's number one. number two, even people who don't agree with rubio, it sticks in my mind that i think elizabeth warren said on this air on, on, on morning joe, perhaps that she disagrees with rubio on a whole host of issues. but there's no question that he's qualified for the role and these kinds of situations. you're not always looking at whether you agree. i mean, donald trump won the presidential election. he's going to nominate republicans and conservatives to be in his cabinet. but there's no question he's qualified. and i think that's what you saw in yesterday's vote. >> so meanwhile, how are things looking for pete hegseth? >> pete hegseth is going to get

confirmed. jose. there's no question about that. in my mind. he got through the committee, which was a big hurdle in and of itself. i think he will potentially get some democratic votes. of course, he doesn't need democratic votes to get over the finish line, but i think he might get a john fetterman or someone like that to vote for him. i think we have reporting right now that that we just broke andrew desiderio on our team, that that's confirmation and that of john radcliffe. radcliffe is a former house republican from texas, served in the last trump administration. their nominations could be up as soon as tonight. ratcliffe was named and was nominated to run the cia. so what you're seeing john thune doing here is clearing out not only the least controversial, although hegseth is plenty controversial with democrats, but the easiest to get through number one and number two, those national security positions early on in an administration, you anticipate you you prioritize some of these critical positions. secretary of defense,

secretary of state, cia director, to make sure that the president has his national security team in place in the early days of his administration. >> and today, house speaker mike johnson and senate majority leader john thune will meet with president trump. what are you expecting out of that meeting? >> well, if we have a full hour, i could tell you everything that i'm expecting, but i'll try to truncate that a little bit. jose, there are a lot of issues that johnson, thune and trump need to be on the same page on debt ceiling, how they're going to handle the debt ceiling. donald trump is very angry that he has to deal with the debt ceiling early in his administration. where are they going to put that debt ceiling increase? that's number one. number two is tax reform. and that big reconciliation, as we call it, reconciliation package that he wants to get through as well in the they need to start planning. they need to start prioritizing what is going to go in that reconciliation bill, how many bills there are? there's been a big debate over one bill or two bills. they've settled on one bill for now. how locked in is donald trump to some of these

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with us, joel rubin, former deputy assistant secretary of state, president of washington strategy and democratic strategist at democracy partners. so, danielle, what's the sense there on the ground? i mean, this release, it was so necessary, so needed for three people. but there are so many more that need to get out. >> that's right. 30 people, more than 30 people in the next hostage for prisoner exchange is expected to happen this coming saturday for women we understand will be released among them, according to israeli media, will be female idf soldiers. >> now going back to what president trump said of whether or not he thinks this is going to hold, you might know something that we don't. all i can tell you is what the un said today, that it has been a good 48 hours, that things have gone relatively smoothly, and that there's been significant progress in getting aid into the gaza strip. and just to give you

an idea, in the past several months, the daily average count of trucks going in with aid and humanitarian supplies was about 50 to 70. >> yesterday, that number was 900. >> the day before that was 600. and so we're not used to hearing the un. you know, it's a stark contrast to what we've been hearing for more than 470 days, but certainly proof that perhaps this truce is holding the u.s, the idf, rather earlier today, also warning residents that idf forces are still deployed in certain parts of the gaza strip to not approach them, but saying as well that if hamas adheres to the terms of the deal, then they'll be able to go back to northern gaza, the worst hit area. and as you've seen, of course, the pictures, they are apocalyptic scenes. why would anybody want to go back when they can stay in the south? palestinians will tell you that they have a history of forced displacement, and so that just going back and being able to stand on what used to be their home will be for them, an act of

resistance on its own. >> jose and danielle, that's what's going on in gaza. but today, israel launched a new operation at a refugee camp in the west bank. what happened there? >> yeah. so a collective sigh of relief for the cease fire. but the story is shifting to the west bank and specifically janine. janine, just for context, has often been called little gaza in the west bank to israel and the israeli government. it is a hotbed of terrorists with a growing arsenal of weapons. to many palestinians, this place is ground zero for the resistance against the israeli occupation. and since october 7th, there have been multiple idf raids and per week. and this was the case in the past 24 hours. the prime minister, benjamin netanyahu, saying that the shin bet, the police and the idf have launched an extensive and significant operation to defeat terrorism, he says. now i put that question to doctor to doctor mustafa barghouti, who is the secretary general of the palestinian

national initiative movement. his answer? he believes that israel is laying the groundwork, preparing for the annexation of the west bank under a trump administration that he believes will just give the israeli government the green light to do whatever it wants. and it's not just in jenin. there's been a heightened presence of idf soldiers all over the west bank. more checkpoints. and i can tell you ourselves, the nbc crew just on sunday wanting to come back to our hotel, what should have taken 15 minutes took us four hours. let's just give you a glimpse of what palestinians in the west bank have to go through on a daily basis. >> jose daniele hamamdjian, thank you so very much, joel. boy, this what we're seeing in this israel-hamas situation. 471 days. finally a pause. three people out. yes. how fragile is this? >> well, jose, thank goodness this is moving forward. this is in many ways the low hanging fruit of the conflict, though

unfortunately, this phase one six week period. and so this looks solid. but the challenge now is that they need to take advantage of this window, not just sit back and wait for everyone to come out and then start negotiations anew, but to be negotiating right now. and what i heard from president trump does not give me a lot of confidence that what, because it doesn't sound like he has a plan or a program or really any energy behind the idea of continuing to phase two, which would move more hostages out. remember, phase one only gets 33. there are 94. so that is a process that needs to take place. the president doesn't seem to really be motivated right now. >> his team, however, has been very involved right before taking power. you know, assuming the presidency, his his special adviser was very much involved with the biden administration in this first phase. >> yeah. well, the trump team is trying to take credit for something they really didn't create. >> that was the biden plan. over an eight month period, president biden and his team had a

structure for this three phases. >> they negotiated on it, but nobody wanted to be a part of that. >> and, well, he he endorsed it. he didn't want to be part of it. donald trump didn't. and then he endorsed it. and to their credit, they gave an extra boost to move it into passing forward. but now what's their plan going forward? it's unclear. >> and so joe, on the other hand, you know, one of the executive orders that the president signed yesterday was removing sanctions. the biden administration had placed on far right israeli settlers who committed violence against palestinians in the occupied west bank. and danielle was telling us what some of the concerns are by some of the people there. what is the message there? >> well, the message there is sort of analogous to the message about pardoning january 6th rioters on the capitol, which is impunity. now, rules. there are real violent activities underway in the west bank. israel has a rule of law. it has a government that can take these people to court. and it should. but in addition, that does not mean the united states should be passive. and we, the united states, under the biden administration, saw

activities by these settlers that we thought were undermining peace and stability in the west bank. there is a palestinian authority there. the united states has relations with it as well. so now that's taken away. it's really uncertain about what the relationship will be between the united states and the palestinian authority, which, of course, could undermine stability further. >> joel rubin, always a pleasure to speak with you. i thank you very much. it's good seeing you in person. thanks so much. up next, we'll talk about the suspected raids that are going to be carried out any minute now in places like chicago. we'll speak with congresswoman delia ramirez, a daughter of immigrants who has birthright citizenship, about what she makes of president trump's executive orders on immigration and a live look at the special prayer service for democracy at the national cathedral in washington, dc. you're watching jose diaz-balart reports on msnbc. >> is your shower trying to tell you something?

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welcomed immigrants. those have been here for 35 years and those who came a year ago or last week. and so i think it's a targeting of a city that lives its values, that justice and equality really, really mean it's for all. >> and so i'll tell you, i was at 7 a.m. on a really cold chicago day yesterday. >> it was like really brutal over the weekend. >> and yesterday i almost had frostbite for a moment. i won't lie to you, it was really, really cold, but i spent a number of hours talking to constituents at a train station, at laundromats and saying to them, you have rights, regardless of your legal status, here are your rights, and here's who to call if you need resources. >> well, how is it, congressman? because, you know, there is so much and it's always kind of interesting to see people's perspective on this. and much of it is related to whether they have any personal knowledge of people, because it all boils down to people. but but, you know, there is a situation where most americans support some form

of immigration control. >> that's right. and they keep saying, let's do it the legal way, which i agree with. let's create legal pathways. >> but when you have president trump on day one canceling cbp, this is where people have been in mexico. they have not entered the country unauthorized, waiting desperately for that appointment, some of them living in tents. and then all of a sudden they have an appointment today at 1 p.m. and they get a notification, your appointment has been canceled. you will no longer be able to come and enter to seek asylum. so what we're saying is enter the legal way, but then we're going to destroy any legal pathways. >> that's and that's really, you know, the bottom line, if you want people to follow a legal way, there has to be a legal way. and then the other issue is this whole birthright citizenship thing that the president on day one again said he wanted to get rid of, that. it's clear that there are some steps that he can't unilaterally do that. but the concept is out

there and the discussion is and i'm just wondering, you know, you're a member of congress building right back here, which must be incredible every day to be able to go there and the honor of my life, the honor of your life, and indeed, and to think that your parents brought you here and you were born. you were born here. and yet, i guess you would be someone who is a birthright citizen. yeah. >> that's right. >> my mother was pregnant. she came to chicago, and i was born in chicago. >> and i lived in the beloved city that i've called home my entire life. >> and he is now saying that someone who has spent 20 years of her life in the nonprofit setting helping people in need, and now a member of congress would not have birthrights under what president trump is saying is his new executive order, which, by the way, is absolutely unconstitutional. >> yeah. and i mean, there's nothing he can do on that specific issue. there are ways, of course, to amend the constitution, but that's not something that the president can do on day one. but how do you how do you, congresswoman, kind of internalize what this debate

has become? >> i think i think it's pretty plain and simple. >> and, you know, it's they're saying the quiet part that they have believed very out loud. we believe in certain americans, and we believe that certain people are deserving of citizenship, and those are not. and there's others that are not. the 14th amendment says clearly since 1868 that anyone born in this country has the right to u.s. citizenship and protection of equal rights across states. yesterday he said, i am over the constitution and only those that i believe are worthy are worthy of citizenship. >> where i just keep thinking a lot, you know, is it possible for us as a country to ever get to a conversation about comprehensive immigration reform and what that means, and the differences between comprehensive immigration reform and migration and border policies? but is it possible? >> i think it is. and here's

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