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>> plus. >> there was this. remarkable scene at a national prayer service. in washington today. >> i ask you to have mercy upon the people in our country who are scared now. there are gay, lesbian and transgender children in democratic, republican and independent families, some who fear for their lives. >> that is the episcopal bishop. >> of washington urging donald. >> trump to do something that isn't natural. >> for him. >> show mercy. >> but we. >> begin tonight with the completion of. >> the coup just over four years ago. >> donald trump, in a. >> last ditch. >> effort to try to stay. >> in power. after losing the. >> 2020 election, unleashed an army of. >> his. maga supporters. >> on the u.s. capitol. we all watched live. >> and in.

>> horror as the violence. >> ensued that day. >> more than. >> 140 police. officers were injured. >> and several. >> trump supporters. >> died. >> during the attack. >> while trump's coup attempt. >> failed that day, he never stopped attacking the courts. the integrity of the. vote and the rule of law, insisting that he stood above them all. well, yesterday, in the same. place in the capitol. >> where his supporters. >> tried to overturn. >> our democracy, donald trump celebrated his triumph in completing the coup. >> four years later. and once again. >> was sworn in. >> as president. >> it was just a bizarre day. from start to finish, frankly, with this remarkable scene from elon musk where he made a very suggestive hand. >> gesture. >> and i just want to say thank. you for making it happen. >> thank you. thank you.

>> well, that moment. has gone viral. >> and. >> even made it into the. >> confirmation hearing this morning for trump's pick for un ambassador. elise stefanik. >> what do you think. of elon musk? perhaps the president's most visible adviser doing two heil hitler salutes last night at the president's televised rally. >> now, elon musk did not do those salutes. i was not at the rally. but i can tell you, i've been at many rallies with elon musk, who loves to. cheer when president trump says we need to send, you know, our u.s. space program to mars. elon musk is a visionary. >> that was. about mars. >> trump's first day in office ended with. a final step in the coup. >> he pardoned. >> nearly all of the more than 1500 insurrectionists charged in connection with the attack. >> that he called for. >> 14 others. >> had their. >> sentences commuted. >> most of whom were convicted of seditious conspiracy. and

that long list. >> of. pardons is not just people who were charged with. >> trespassing or nonviolent crimes, like this guy, kevin seefried, who you may remember for carrying. >> a confederate. >> flag into the capitol, something that didn't even happen during. >> the civil war. >> he was sentenced to three years and. >> was. >> the first rioter to. >> interact with u.s. capitol. >> police officer eugene goodman, who heroically led the mob away from the senate chamber. also on the pardon. >> list were some of the most violent insurrectionists, including. >> the nearly 200. >> people charged with attacking. >> police officers that day. >> with flagpoles. >> tasers. >> batons, wooden. >> planks, anything they could get. >> their hands on. there's jack whitten, who received a nearly. >> five year sentence. for assaulting police. >> officers. >> using a metal crutch. >> for kicking an officer on. >> the ground. >> and for dragging an. >> officer into the mob. >> you have peter schwartz, who was serving a 14 year sentence for. engaging in a series of

assaults. >> on police. >> officers, including repeatedly using pepper spray on them and joining in. on the mob that crushed officer daniel hodges in a capitol doorway. >> and there is david dempsey, who. >> was serving 20 years for. >> assault on law. >> enforcement with. >> a. >> deadly or dangerous weapon. in his case, he was using a. flagpole and police shield against the police. >> the get out. >> of jail free cards also extended to those from extremist militia groups who helped plan the attack. enrique tarrio, the former leader of the proud boys who was serving a 22 year prison sentence for seditious conspiracy, pardoned elmer stewart rhodes, the leader of the oath keepers who was serving 18 years on the same charge, had his sentence commuted. no harm, no foul, right? of course, i'm sure that these now pardoned insurrectionists are showing contrition for their actions, right? oh, no. you may remember

jacob chansley, aka the qanon shaman. his response to receiving a pardon and no longer being a felon was, quote, i'm going to buy me some mother effing guns. feel safer yet? and what about those police officers who were on the receiving end of the attacks by the very people who trump has called patriots and hostages? >> he's been promising these presidential pardons for those that committed crimes. on january 6th, in participation with the attack on the capitol. ever since day one. and so the american people own this decision. you chose this. you elected this man as president, and now you are responsible for these pardons, these individuals and many more like them have been emboldened. donald trump announced to america a new era of government lawlessness and

that if you commit crimes on his behalf, you will not face accountability. >> michael fanone spent the morning at a courthouse seeking protective orders against those who assaulted him. former sergeant aquilino gonell, who was nearly crushed to death at the hands of the mob, shared a screenshot of the numerous victim notifications he received from the justice department. of all those who attacked him, who had been released. look, trump has long been clear that he was going to pardon his maga insurrectionists. but even among republicans, few believe that the man who claimed to be all about law and order and the best friend to law enforcement, would go so far as to release those who so violently attacked the police. that included republican leaders who are now silent, including trump's new non mike pence vice president, who claimed that this wouldn't happen. >> do you. >> believe that someone who assaulted a. >> law enforcement. officer on

january. >> 6th deserves a pardon? >> no. >> i think. >> what the. president said. >> and the vice president elect, jd vance, has said, is that peaceful protesters. >> should. >> be pardoned, but violent criminals. >> should not. >> that's that's a simple determination. >> if you committed violence. >> on. >> that day. >> obviously you shouldn't. >> be pardoned. >> of course, if somebody was beating up a police officer at january 6th, he's not going to do that. >> joining me now is former capitol police officer harry dunn, who was assaulted by the now pardoned violent mob that stormed the capitol on january 6th. also joining me, former congressman david jolly and former u.s. attorney joyce vance, msnbc legal analyst and professor at the university of alabama school of law, harry dunn. what do you make of the promises that donald trump would not pardon? according to his supporters on capitol hill, including his now vice president, and the fact that he did exactly that pardoned some of the most violent insurrectionists from that day. >> thanks for having me on. why

are people surprised? why are people surprised? people that are shocked by this outrageous, egregious act against this country, against these police officers? why? if you're shocked, then you haven't been paying attention. donald trump has did did exactly what he said he was going to do. he said it from day one, and anybody expecting anything different out of them, out of him. what is wrong? it's on us. it's on us. like for four years? for four years. me and the other officers who testified before congress. we haven't had our hands out. we haven't asked for anything except accountability. and it's gone. it's gone. like they were able to say easily that the foot soldiers had been arrested. and yeah, that was great. and i was like, yo, get everybody, even donald trump. that was my goal. that was my plea. that didn't happen. and now the foot soldiers aren't even responsible

anymore. they're if there's no record i mean, there's yeah, there's a record of it. obviously, the record doesn't go away thanks to, you know, the supreme court allowing the report, jack smith's report, to be released. but even that was in jeopardy. but why is anybody surprised, man. like you just haven't been paying attention. donald trump did exactly what he said he was going to do. and anybody that expected different then that's on you. >> yeah. you know, david jolly, i just have to show the split screen, because yesterday when i was watching the inauguration, it really was chilling for me to see donald trump being applauded, including by some democrats who, for whatever reason, felt the need to show up to this event to stand around with billionaires. and it's the same exact space where these people were smearing feces, beating up police officers, crowding into the place, shoving police officers in some cases, really harming them, tasing them. it's the same space, david. it's sacrilege, it seems to me. your thoughts?

>> yeah. joy. >> i think. >> millions of americans. >> yesterday were. >> unsettled by seeing donald trump inaugurated. >> a. second time and unsettled by. >> the reception he received, not just from republicans, but, as you mentioned, by democrats trying. >> to hold. >> to the norms that trying to make the inauguration feel familiar, it should not be familiar. donald trump is an oath. >> breaker. >> and his words cannot be trusted. his promises cannot be trusted. his actions cannot be trusted. donald trump was a danger. to the republic when he was president the first time. that's why he was charged with conspiracy to defraud the american people. we know what he did to instigate the violence on january 6th. donald trump was a threat to the republic when he was out of office. that's why he was charged with mishandling classified information. and he remains a threat to the republic. now once again as president. and in exercising the pardon authority, he demonstrated that you went through the list of people who were charged for crimes for assaulting police officers. we also know the ideologies and the violent rhetoric of the oath keepers and the proud boys and

others. joy, one of the people he pardoned just a few months back, was arrested for trying to board a flight to russia to fight for the russian army against ukraine. that is also somebody that donald trump gave a pardon to. and so when donald trump remains a threat, he unleashed a crowd of people that also remain a threat. now, certainly, you know, they'll put up the sympathetic case of the grandma who got caught going into the capitol. whatever. i am sure there is repentance and repentance among some of the sixers, but not all of them. we know that. we know that by their own words, and we know it by the actions of donald trump. >> joyce vance, let me play for you a young man named jackson reffitt. his father is one of those insurrectionists, and he's afraid of him. this man is now out of prison. he turned him into the fbi because of what he knows that his father did on january 6th, 2021. here's jackson. >> i'm terrified. >> i don't know what i'm going to do. >> i've taken as many precautions. >> as i could. recently.

>> i've. i've picked. >> up a gun. i've moved. >> and i've. i've gotten. >> myself away. >> from what i thought would. >> be a dangerous situation. >> and staying where i thought. my dad. >> could find me. >> joyce. he should be terrified, right? >> well, he's smart to be taking the steps that he's taking. but what his situation highlights joy is how unusual these pardons are, even. >> beyond the. >> notion that we have a president who's in. >> a very. >> transactional way, pardoned political loyalists who supported. >> him. >> who tried to help him. >> keep the. >> presidency after. >> he had lost the election. beyond that, because trump did them with this broad. >> brush, none of the. >> provision that the bureau of. >> prisons typically. >> makes before release have. >> been made. >> there was no individualized assessment of whether these people had violent criminal history, had problems in prison. >> or. >> like in this case, posed a

danger to the community. there's been no plan made for their reentry. and we know that prisoners, ex-prisoners, when they leave prison and come home, people who have a plan are far more likely to succeed and to avoid future recidivism. not so in this case. and the. >> final thing that. >> makes these pardons so extraordinarily difficult to wrap your mind around as a prosecutor is the fact that these aren't people who've served some time in prison, who've shown true steps towards rehabilitation. a lot of these people were convicted last month, two months ago, three months ago. they've not shown any level of sorrow or remorse over what they did. in fact, they are arming themselves on the way out of prison. some of them, we're seeing this desire to rearm themselves. and in every way, these functions, they are not an effort to do justice or. >> to show mercy. >> they are something entirely different. >> right. and it seems that, you know, donald trump has sort of

cooked himself up an insta militia. harry dunn. i mean, you've got the proud boys who were literally marching through washington, dc yesterday. now their leader, their former leader enrique tarrio, is on his way home to miami. he should be there tomorrow. you had ed martin, who was an advocate for the january 6th defendants. he's now been named dc's interim u.s. attorney overseeing the capitol riot cases. you've got the justice department removing senior career officials and replacing them with people who were pro insurrectionists. let me play you. what? even thom tillis, republican senator from south carolina, had to say about that. >> i've got. concerns with. >> any. >> pardons for people who did harm. >> to a police officer. full stop. and i've. >> also got serious. concerns with all of the pardons by president biden. >> so the at the end of the day, these people are back out on the street. harry dunn, and they can rejoin their militias and get

back their guns. what is the practical threat to the to society from that? >> well, i appreciate what thom tillis said, but his last statement, i mean, one of those things is not like the other. the pardons that president biden issued were for protecting individuals. i didn't seek a pardon. but, you know. >> can we just re-up that? i'm so sorry, harry dunn, because one of the pardons he was criticizing was the pardon that you and other police officers received to protect you from being prosecuted by donald trump's justice department. >> yeah. i didn't seek a pardon. i didn't, i didn't i won't say i didn't want one. i, i don't want to live in a world where i would have needed a pardon like that. you don't. what do you need a pardon for? that's the problem. the fact that it was needed, like whether people want it or not. so i appreciate thom tillis saying, you know, he doesn't like people getting pardoned, assaulted police officers. but let's be clear. those two parties, parties that were issued yesterday by two different presidents are not the same. so let's be clear about

that. and also, you know that i mean, yes. thom tillis thank you. joe i'm so frustrated, man. like yeah i got everybody asking me, you know, how do you feel and what what do you want and all. we just wanted accountability. and it's gone. it's gone. like and people are the shock of people. and why are you shocked like byron donalds making a statement and jd vance you know what they probably thought there's no way in hell donald trump is going to pardon these people. they probably thought that they probably did think that. but then again, donald trump said, hey, proud boys, stand back, stand by, i got you. do y'all not remember that? like, he wasn't just lying. he wasn't just talking out of his. he meant it. >> yeah he did. david jolly, this is proof. and you and then joyce, this to me, is proof that colorado was right. he is an insurrectionist. he did violate article three of section 14 because he essentially said to

his mob, go free, get your guns. >> he did. he conspired to defraud the american people through the use of violence to interrupt an official proceeding of the senate. everybody knows he's guilty, including republicans like mike johnson, thom tillis and byron donalds. and where thom tillis is wrong with that analogy. and here he's exactly right. we're going to hear other republicans do it. donald trump pardoned violent offenders who remain violent today, who remain a threat today. joe biden pardoned people who were trying to protect democracy or protect our public health or his family members. and look, i go to the bible on this one where it says, where your treasure is, there your heart is also. sure, joe biden pardoned his family members because he loves his family members. we can question him on that. absolutely fine. donald trump pardoned violent insurrectionists who tried to keep him in office, subvert the will of the people and subvert our democracy. that is a reflection of who donald trump is and a reflection of the support of byron donalds, mike johnson, thom tillis and every leading republican who supports him. >> i wish we had more time. i'm so sorry, joyce. i'm going to have to. oh, you you have to come back and we're going to

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>> well, if there's one thing that's clear, it's that donald trump wants his base to feel like he's on the job, swiftly fulfilling his campaign promises. and none of those promises were more salivated over by his voters than a crackdown on immigration, which explains trump making a literal show out of the immigration related executive orders he signed on his first day in office. at this weird walk around the stadium. consolation prize parade thing, the flurry of executive action on the border came despite a marked decline in the number of people crossing without authorization. trump's latest actions include a call to deploy the military to the border, halting all refugee admissions into the united states, denying public benefits to undocumented immigrants and putting it into birthright citizenship, which is guaranteed by the 14th amendment of the constitution. so not reversible with an executive order. it's worth reminding that the 14th

amendment was ratified in 1868 and overturned the dred scott decision that denied black americans the rights and protections of u.s. citizenship, meaning that by trying to undo parts of it, trump is not only trying to subvert the constitution, he's once again wielding u.s. citizenship as a way to shape and uphold racial hierarchy. that blatant and historic form of racism is quickly meeting a growing mountain of lawsuits with attorneys general from democratic states, along with the aclu, arguing that it's not only unconstitutional, but a repudiation of american values that would create a permanent subclass of people born in the u.s. who are nonetheless denied full rights as americans. joining me now is one of those attorneys general, colorado's phil weiser and general weiser, please explain your lawsuit against this attempt to undo birthright citizenship. >> joy, you started this. >> off on exactly the right. >> note after. >> the. >> dred scott decision came

down. >> abraham lincoln. >> called it an abomination and called it. >> undermining core values. that the declaration. >> of independence. >> calls for, and that decency and justice call for. >> here's the rule in the. >> 14th amendment. >> everyone born. >> here. >> is a citizen. period. full stop. the idea that a president would. >> seek to undermine the constitution with. >> an executive. >> order is. >> an assault. >> on the basic. >> idea that we live. >> under the rule of law. >> we have rules for. >> how we change our constitution. and it's not the president signing an executive order. this president is going to lose in court because the 14th amendment is clear. if you're born here, you're a citizen, and that's been up to the supreme court twice. maybe it'll be a third time. i'm confident we're going to win. >> so here's where my confidence is less strong than yours. the 14th amendment also has an article, article three, that says if someone engages in insurrection, they are not eligible to be president of the united states. john roberts and his friends of leonard leo's

appointees on the supreme court deemed that article three is inoperative when it comes to one man, donald trump. they essentially negated colorado's attempt to declare him an insurrectionist. so the supreme court doesn't seem to be that hot on the 14th amendment. they don't seem to fully believe in it. so why would you believe that alito, roberts, clarence thomas and company won't just treat the birthright citizenship clause in the 14th amendment the same way they treated article three? >> i don't see an escape. >> hatch here. >> this 14th amendment, section one, has been interpreted. >> by the. >> supreme court. twice already, and the court was clear in its ruling. and it's important to recognize that not just dred scott and black americans, but asian americans. and the wong kim case had a similar basic point. if you're born here, you're welcomed here, you're a citizen. and that is crucial for us to uphold.

>> the stakes. >> here are high. there are a lot of people in colorado and other states. whose basic rights are now going to be determined by this lawsuit, i believe, when it comes to the plain text of the 14th amendment, this supreme court will not find an escape hatch. instead, they will find the president violated the law. they did find that in the first trump administration, in numerous cases we brought, including one involving the census, another one involving the dreamers. this case, too, is one we're going to be able to win. and again, i don't see justices finding any way around the basic text of the 14th amendment. >> i hope you're right. let's talk about the pragmatic, the pragmatic impact of the things that donald trump has done. the app which allows people to proceed with their asylum cases. i mean, we've seen some really tragic and horrifying stories of people finding out while they're in line, trying to complete their applications for citizenship, what's going to be the practical effect on colorado, on your state of these executive actions?

>> what really hurts me, joy, we've talked about this before. colorado and aurora in particular, are communities that are so welcoming and inclusive that we care about one another and the amount of fear right now, because people are worried about what's going to happen to them, is going to cause real harm. there is a way in which the rules of law work. in the us, you have legal processes, and whether it's an application like the scenario you did or the dreamers or someone applying for asylum, those processes go through their entire course. you follow what lawyers call due process. but the idea that instead of allowing those processes to come to their conclusion, we're going to have this indiscriminate fear campaign take people, whatever they are in the process and not give them due process. instead, deport them. that's un-american. it's unfair, it's illegal. and if there are any attempts to do that, we're going to stop it. we're going to stand up for people and the american way, which is we treat everybody legally and fairly.

>> is colorado prepared to stand up to donald trump if he attempts to put military troops into colorado, or do some other sort of violent means of kicking in doors and sweeping for undocumented immigrants in the state? >> absolutely. there are rules about when the military is able to engage in any form of domestic enforcement, and those rules require there to be some type of national emergency. that's not the case here. we are fine in colorado. we don't need or want the military coming in here to do immigration enforcement. and what's so tragic is there are people who've gone through the entire process who are eligible for deportation. that's where it would make sense to actually deport people who've gone through the process, who are eligible, who know that their application is denied. but to go ahead for people who are dreamers, who are here and are following our laws, and there's no reason to deport them just to scare people, it's wrong. it's

hurtful. and you're right. i'll stand up to do all i can to protect our legal processes and the fair treatment of immigrants. >> well, i will say my mother went through the immigration process and became a citizen in the great state of colorado and was very proud. i was very proud to live there for the first, well, for 15 of the first 17in real life after we left brooklyn. but so long live and we love colorado. so thank you all for fighting for the vulnerable there. colorado attorney general phil weiser, thank you so much. coming up, trump threw a lot of executive orders our way last night. and we're going to take the time to go over what's real and what it means for you and what was just sound and fury, signifying sound and fury, signifying nothing. honestly, i was scared when i was told age related macular degeneration could jeopardize my vision. great. one more thing to worry about. it was all too hard to deal with in the beginning, but making a plan with my doctor to add precision was easy. preservision areds2 contains the exact nei recommended, clinically proven nutrient formula to help reduce the risk of moderate to advanced

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would be defined based on the reproduction cells at conception, which, as the washington post points out, could prompt the education department to punish schools that recognize gender identity, for instance, by allowing transgender girls access to girls bathrooms, locker rooms or sports teams. it also could affect teachers who in some districts are told to use students preferred names and pronouns. he also signed an order withdrawing the united states from the world health organization, which works to eradicate disease, develop vaccines and medication, and coordinates the response to emergencies, health crises, those kinds of things. npr reports that the u.s. would lose easy access to critical data on outbreaks, and a seat at the table when health standards are set and disease responses are decided. that should work out great. one professor of global health law called this the most cataclysmic decision, saying it is saying this will really leave

our agencies like the cdc and nih flying blind. this order would make the u.s. one of the only un member states who's not part of the w.h.o, along with liechtenstein. trump also signed orders that would strip protections from federal workers and expand the death penalty and immediately stop all government censorship, which is just code for making it harder to combat misinformation online. and folks, that was just day one. but he also took some actions that were clearly just for show, like renaming the gulf of mexico to the gulf of america, which could ironically prompt some other countries to refuse to use trump's preferred names for the gulf and insist on using its designation at birth. so which of these actions actually carry weight, and how much is just all talk? and what, if any, of it can be challenged in court? legal expert and friend of the show, elie mystal, will join me next to break it all down.

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>> he removed. >> the united. >> states from the paris. >> climate accords. nothing president did on day one lowered grocery prices. nothing helped americans achieve their dream of owning a home. >> senate minority leader chuck schumer there, highlighting just some of the executive orders donald trump signed on his first day in office. but how much of it will actually have the force of law? joining me now is elie mystal, justice correspondent for the nation and author of the forthcoming book, bad law ten popular laws that are ruining america. we got to have you on. just to talk about that. let's go through a lightning round here. donald trump revived his muslim travel ban, and it is now recommending any actions necessary to protect the american people from the actions of foreign nationals who have undermined and undermined the fundamental constitutional right of the american people. blah, blah, blah, blah. >> yeah. >> we're back to banning. >> muslims again. >> but here's the important thing to remember. about the muslim ban, as we talk about all these other executive orders. >> remember that the court. >> gave him. >> multiple shots at getting the muslim ban across the finish line, right? the first time it was ruled unconstitutional. he came back. he came back again. and so as we talk about the rest

of these orders, remember that even though i can say, oh. >> that's clearly. >> unconstitutional, that's clearly not going to happen. >> this court. >> stacked as it is with trump justices, will. give trump an opportunity to try them again and again and again until he gets them right. so that's what the muslim ban is a perfect example of what we're signing up for during these first days of our reign of. terror there. he's going to have multiple opportunities to get some of these bans through. >> let's put up a list of a bunch of the other ones. let's go right to birthright citizenship. we just had the attorney general of colorado on. he felt confident that that one would be overturned by the supreme court. i'm not so confident. are you? >> look. >> the court. >> that just gave trump absolute immunity to commit crimes, i can't trust them further than i can throw them. right. so i am not as confident as the attorney. >> general. >> of colorado. the other problem is that even though i do think that clearly it is clearly unconstitutional on the merits, there is no doubt about that. when does the court get around to it? you know, not to be all legal jargony, but who has standing? that means who has the right to sue under some interpretations, it's not going to be until one of these babies

is born in this country and denied their citizenship rights. before we have a perfect plaintiff to even sue that. now, i think there are better arguments that people have standing right now, but i'm not one of the justices paid for by harlan crow on the supreme court. so the supreme court can delay even getting to the merits of the case, which might give trump anywhere from ten months to a year to two years to do as much harm as possible and then later say, oh, actually, no, you have to give those babies their birth certificates, right? but now they're two years old, so who's going back and making sure that we have all the rights? see these these are the kinds of problems that happen. so even though the law is flatly unconstitutional, the question is how long will the supreme court allow him to flagrantly overturn the constitution to do his evil and wrongness? >> let's put some stuff up here. he was very excited about the diversity, equity and inclusion initiatives in the federal government. what's the impact? >> yeah, so that's obviously very bad. it's particularly evil to i always think of, you know, prisoners, people who are

incarcerated who have, you know, changed, who have transitioned or according to this, you're going to take, you know, trans women and put them in male prisons. what do we think is going to happen to them there? >> yeah. >> that's not going to be a good day. yeah. so i think that this is a thing that has real impact. there's also a real obvious equal protection challenge. and so again trump will do this. he will be sued. this is one of the ones that could be if not completely stopped delayed. but there will be people who suffer from unconscionable pain because of what what he's doing and not in the kind of like, oh, somebody just called, you know, gracie george. no, no, no, no, these are people who are going to be hurt and physically assaulted because of trump's executive order. >> two of the renamings we're talking about it in the break, renamed mount denali back to mount mckinley, just to not snide indigenous people and rename the gulf of mexico gulf of america a who cares? and b kennedy. >> mama called them gulf of mexico. i'm gonna call them gulf

of mexico. yeah, right. like he can't he can't make me. the government cannot make me say a name that i don't want to say. right. i still call the park where the san francisco giants play baseball. pacbell park. i don't know what it's called called now. right. he can change it on government documents. but here's the thing. you change it on government documents. do people even know what you're talking about? do people even know where you're talking about? because the international community isn't going to change the name, right? mexico isn't going to change the name. so look, he can do it on official government documents, but it's not going to matter in terms of it can't force me on television to say it the way he wants me to say it. 13th amendment means i have to listen to white folks no more. >> yeah. i mean, well, the bottom line is god made the gulf of mexico. god did not make the gulf of america. that's what we're going to say. and government censorship on social media and unbanned tiktok. >> okay, on the censorship. >> three seconds. >> that doesn't mean anything like all it means is that he's going to make it easier for them to spread disinformation on social media, which mark zuckerberg is already happy to do. so that's not an issue on the tiktok thing. he does not

have the legal authority to not enforce the law. this is not the tiktok ban is a law passed by both houses of congress and signed by the president. he doesn't have the right to just ignore it. so one thing to remember here at the supreme court argument, sonia sotomayor made the lawyers say, what's the statute of limitations for violating the tiktok rule? yeah, it's five years, not four years. so that's so if you're going to play roll the dice and believe trump right now, you're rolling the dice that he's that you're going to get five years away on this. >> elie mystal, thank you very much. take a breather. thank you very much. and coming up, the infuriating way trump and a detroit pastor, you do not want to miss this. y'all entirely twisted. the reverend doctor martin luther king jr. s words, o lord, at yesterday's inauguration, i had to talk about this. i'm sorry we had to hi, i'm ron reagan, an unabashed atheist. about this. i'm sorry we had to do this. we'll b and i'm alarmed, as you may be, by the intrusions of religion into our secular government. that's why i'm asking you to join the freedom from religion foundation,

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>> free at last. >> lord. it doesn't get better with time. oh, lord. trump's inaugural benediction on the federal holiday that celebrates doctor martin luther king jr. cited heavily from doctor king's seminal i have a dream speech. of course it's republicans. but detroit pastor lorenzo sewell, who hosted trump at his church and even spoke at the republican national convention, delivered such a, let's just say, dramatic performance, which some have likened to a minstrel show, that some of the invited tech billionaires were literally laughing behind his back. joining me now is senior pastor doctor jamal bryant of new birth missionary baptist church. i'm sorry, ralph godbee, triumph church chief of staff and former detroit chief of police. lord help. pastor, thank you so much for being here. pastor bryant, i just needed a pastor. i needed i think i needed spiritual sustenance to deal with this on today. i would just like to get your thoughts on that

performance, because that's what you'd have to call it. >> it was just painful. the only thing he was missing was. tap dance shoes. it was really just buffoonery at its best. and it was a black eye to the legacy to cry out free at. last when the children who are about to be in cages can't say when. the immigrants who are getting ready to be turned away at the border, when people who are children are going to be separated from their parents, when we can't get minimum wage in detroit where he is. and so it was just a painful moment to close out, not just the inauguration, but to close out the king holiday. >> it was it seemed like a real slap in the face to the memory of king. i agree with you. it was shocking, particularly on chief god, because he was standing in front of a bunch of billionaires, a bunch of tech billionaires, a bunch of oligarchs as his, whatever you

call that perform. it was almost like a chappelle show skit. and this performance is something i feel like, you know, tim scott has done a similar thing, bugging his eyes and rolling his head back and doing it. and it's a thing that seems to be desired, for whatever reason on the right. you debated this man, pastor sewell. you tried to talk some sense to him. talk about who he is. >> you know, the cognitive dissonance. >> is just. unbelievable joy. >> to know that. donald trump. >> is the antithesis. he's antithetical. to everything. >> that doctor. >> king stands for. and then. considering the. >> executive orders that he signed. >> dismissing the rights of people that. >> are marginalized. >> disenfranchized and to have this african gentleman. doing a. clown show. >> that lorne. >> michaels could not. >> even duplicate. >> on saturday night live, it was so sad. if it were not so

serious, it. >> would be funny. >> but doctor. >> bryant. >> you know. >> has. >> really. >> you know, crystallized. >> i. >> think. what a many black. >> preachers because. >> the black. >> church has been the center of a. >> movement and. >> we've had to do things to make. sure that blacks have a seat. >> at. >> the table. >> that no. >> other denomination has. >> had to do. >> and to see a black preacher to sell out, to oppress some billionaires. what profit. >> a man. >> to. gain the. >> whole world. >> and lose his soul? >> and what will a man give in. >> exchange for. >> his soul? >> we've got to be umpires and referees. we call balls, balls and strike strikes. >> i've heard. >> doctor bryant go against democrats. >> so we're. >> not party affiliated to the. >> extent to. >> where we stand by and let wrong. >> just go unchecked. >> amen. and you know, pastor, pastor bryant, talk about the positive or the affirmative role that the church really can play in this moment. people are very

distressed in this moment. people are afraid. people are checking out. if people choose to check back in, what leadership can the church offer in the real church? not whatever that was. >> yeah, yeah. >> i think that the black church has a defining moment. we do our best under pressure. that's where it is that the real mettle of who it is that we are shines through. it was the church that mobilized the montgomery bus boycott. it was the church that mobilized the march on washington. and so i think that america is getting ready to see a renaissance of the authentic black church that speaks. >> truth to power. >> it would have been so appropriate if president trump would have had reverend bernice king give the benediction. very rarely does the inauguration land on the holiday celebration of doctor king. and so to make that selection, he didn't just meander onto the stage, they chose him and chose him for a

reason. and so i think that the black church and black preachers are going to have to really shine. and i want to go a step further and say that even white churches are going to have to prove their mettle, because this election cycle divided the american church at such a high level that many of us have to check. are we reading the same bible? are we ascribing to the same master? because the one that we serve fed the hungry, took care of the immigrants, and afforded healing to those who were sick and didn't have insurance? and so what? these evangelicals are posturing does not reflect the authentic gospel that we stand by. >> amen. amen. you can get an amen. and it's not even sunday. pastor jamal bryant and ralph godbee, thank you both so much. and that is tonight's reidout all in with chris hayes starts now. >> tonight on. >> all in. >> if you committed violence on