football league, go to the book club. go do whatever you need to do to be around other people short of drug use. yes, do something to seek connection. my mother is 76 years old. every time i go home to birmingham, it's a new friend on the couch. i'm like, how are you finding who are these people? but she just keep them churning. so if she can do it, i know i can do it too, and everybody else can. >> i love it. what an incredibly important message. the new stand up special lonely flowers is streaming now on hulu. roy wood jr. thank you and thank you for giving us a reason to smile this morning. >> thank you. >> nice to have you on. >> all right. good luck. talking about all that other stuff. i need some. >> i do. >> thank you. i'm going to take that. that does it for us this morning. we'll see you tomorrow. bright and early at 6 a.m. eastern. ana cabrera picks up the coverage right now. right now on. ana cabrera reports. >> president trump's.

>> shock and. >> awe meeting blowback. >> new. >> reporting that his decision to go big on january 6th pardons surprised. some allies with members of his own party questioning whether it was. >> the. >> right move. plus. >> nearly two. >> dozen states sue over the president's move to end birthright citizenship. connecticut's attorney general will join us. also ahead, new allegations against defense pick pete hegseth. the claims. >> from his former sister in law. >> now being reviewed by senators. and later, a rare winter. >> storm unleashes. >> snow on the south. >> more on this. >> once in a generation weather. impacting millions. >> good morning. it's ten eastern. 7 a.m. pacific. great to have you with us. i'm ana cabrera, reporting. >> from new york. and we. >> begin. with president. >> trump's fast and. >> frenetic launch. >> out of. >> the. >> gate meeting. >> bipartisan backlash. this morning from top allies.

>> questioning his sweeping january 6th pardons. to attorneys general in some 20 plus states suing over hard line. immigration orders. we've got it. all covered. this morning with nbc news white house correspondent vaughn hillyard. >> homeland security. >> correspondent julia ainsley. >> and peter. >> baker. >> chief white house correspondent for the new york times. vaughn brand new nbc reporting. about how the trump pardons. >> took even some of his own allies. >> by surprise, and the. >> backlash continuing to grow on capitol hill. what can you tell us? >> right. there are allies in the lead up to donald trump being sworn in and moving into the white house, who were all but suggesting that the president trump would not pardon violent offenders who had either pleaded guilty or were found guilty by a jury of assaulting police officers. and yet, what you saw donald trump do in the hours after taking office was do exactly that, almost a blanket

pardon of more than 1500 individuals and 14 commutations. and that is where we're hearing now, including from republican lawmakers who are questioning the move by the president. take a listen. >> to me. i just. can't agree. i'm about to. >> file two bills that will. increase the penalties. >> up to and. >> including the death penalty for the murder of. >> a police officer. that should give you everything you. >> need. >> to know about my position. look, at. >> it as it's. >> it was surprising to me that it was a blanket. >> pardon? i think they were absolutely justified. again. >> i don't know. >> all the cases. i certainly. >> don't want. >> to pardon. >> any violent. >> actors, but there was a real miscarriage of. justice here, so i'm totally supportive of it. >> were violent offenders. are you. >> comfortable with that? >> i haven't seen the details. >> but i think a lot of those parents. >> were definitely well deserved. >> there are more than 175 individuals who were pardoned and were violent offenders, who assaulted police officers, and it was j.d. vance, his own vice president, who just less than two weeks ago had publicly

suggested that they would not pardon those violent offenders. and last night, inside of the white house, our own peter alexander pressed the president on that decision to do and take these actions. and the president's response was that these people love their country, and those who have served their prison time have served enough time in prison that warranted their release. >> peter, we actually have. >> that sound. >> from the president yesterday as he defended these pardons. let's listen to it in his own words. >> i am the friend of police. more than any president that's ever been in this office. >> i want. >> to ask you about the vice president, jd vance. he said. if this is a week. >> ago. >> he said if you committed violence on january 6th, obviously you should. >> not be pardoned. why is your vice president wrong? >> well, only for one reason. they they've served years in jail. they should not have served. excuse me. and they've served years in jail. and murderers don't even go to jail

in this country. >> so he. >> said he was going to. >> do. >> this during. >> the campaign, even his own vice president questioned whether the. >> violent offenders should be granted clemency. >> and now, apparently, vance is on board. peter, do you. >> think the. >> administration foresaw. >> this level. >> of blowback? >> does it even matter? >> well. >> some of the people. >> around him clearly must have expected. >> some sort of blowback. that's why. >> they tried. >> to draw a line. >> on violent versus. >> nonviolent offenders. >> there was. >> a line. >> that the president himself decided. >> he didn't. >> care about. you know, he has been all over the map. >> on this at various. >> points, at various points during the campaign, he said he would pardon everybody. >> then he said he would take a. >> case by case, look at it. >> and then in the. >> end, obviously he decided. >> he wasn't going to do. >> a case by case. look, even just last week, i think it was pam bondi at her confirmation hearing, talked about a case by case look, they dispensed with that. they just simply signed a single. he just simply signed a single order that eliminated. >> the convictions. >> and charges. for nearly. >> 1600 people. >> except for those 14. >> who were commuted.

>> and that is. >> you know, i. >> think. >> a sign of where. >> he is. >> he's going. >> to go as far as he thinks he can go. anybody who thought. >> he. >> was going. >> to moderate himself. >> he was going to. >> restrain himself. >> you know, i think he's made. >> very. >> clear in. >> these first 48 hours. that's not the way he's going. >> to roll here. >> julia. >> you're tracking all the moves on immigration, including some new rules allowing ice agents to make arrests in so-called sensitive locations. what exactly does that mean? >> look, there was a memo that went out in the obama administration that remained during the first trump term and was expanded under biden, that told ice agents not to make arrests in certain locations unless there was an imminent threat to public safety or national security. those locations included schools that could go anywhere from daycare centers to colleges, houses of worship and hospitals so that people immigrants wouldn't fear going to get health care. now, all of these have been rescinded, as we understand. yesterday, dhs told ice and ice sent a memo out to agents saying you no longer need permission. they're no longer needs to be a

circumstance. you can arrest people anywhere. those locations are no longer safe. and so basically what this shows is it's part of tom homan, the border czars whole policy to try to take the handcuffs off of these ice agents and try to boost the numbers of arrests so that they can make good on those that promise of mass deportations. it's also because ice doesn't really have the manpower, the detention space or the planes to start all of a sudden ramping up to get a million people out of this country very quickly. so this this is one of the ways they can try to boost those numbers on us. >> yeah. we're not seeing those. >> mass deportations. >> just yet. but, peter, we are seeing attorneys general in several states sue over trump's order to end birthright citizenship. the order. >> itself. >> though, holds. >> off implementation for 30 days. why that timing? >> well, look. >> there's. >> always going to be a legal challenge. this is never going to go into effect. >> until we get a ruling from the supreme court, because this is such a drastic. change in.

>> our interpretation. >> of the 14th amendment. the 14th. >> amendment essentially has said. >> for, you know, more than a century that anybody born in this country is an american. and what donald trump is trying to say is that, no, he doesn't agree with that interpretation of the 14th amendment. >> under his interpretation. >> if you're if. you're born to illegal. >> or undocumented. >> immigrants, you're not a citizen. >> not just that. if you're. >> born to people who are here. >> legally but are not permanent residents. >> you're also not. >> a citizen. >> and that's a that's. >> a. >> change, too. >> it's not just about illegal immigration. >> it's also about legal immigration. >> people make. >> that distinction a lot of the time. they say, well, he's only going after people who've broken the law. no, in this case, he's actually going after people who have abided by the law. and these states are saying, no, we're not going to simply stand for a. radical change in the amendment. and it really is going to come down to these nine justices in the end of the day. >> all right. julia ainsley and peter baker, thank you all for your reporting. now, the lawsuits that we mentioned filed by these attorneys general argue that citizenship for people born in the u.s. is. automatically

protected under the 14th amendment, and the president alone cannot change that. >> roughly two. >> dozen states have now filed suit. you can see coast to coast here, including connecticut. and joining us is that state's attorney general, william tong. thank you. >> so much for. >> taking. >> the time. >> you called. >> this new order. >> a. >> quote. >> war on. >> american families. waged by. >> a president with zero. >> respect for our. >> constitution. even if the law is on your side, the constitution is on your side. what do. >> you see. >> as the consequences. >> of the president, in your words, waging this war? >> so he's attacking american families and who. >> we. >> are as a people. so many. >> of us. >> on a are rooted in this country. tied to this country. >> by right of our birth. >> like me, my. parents were. >> not citizens. >> when i. >> was. >> born, and. >> i was. >> born an american citizen, the first in my immediate family. >> because i was. >> born on american.

>> soil. >> in hartford. >> hospital in hartford, connecticut. >> so many. >> millions of. >> americans, not. >> just a few of us, millions. >> of americans. >> reflect this, this beauty of our country, which ronald reagan said was one of the greatest strengths of america. >> birthright citizenship. >> and this. attack on on the 14th. >> amendment, which isn't. >> a. >> statute. >> it's not a regulation. >> it's not. >> it's not a law that congress wrote. >> it is in. >> the constitution. and the president cannot, by the stroke of. >> a pen, amend the constitution or. >> cancel one of its provisions. the only way to. >> change the constitution is. >> by constitutional amendment and ratification of the states. and he can't do it by himself. >> you mentioned your own personal story. how are you feeling personally in this moment? >> i feel very tied to the 7400. >> babies that. >> are going to be born in connecticut this year. whose citizenship. is now at risk. i worry. >> about what. happens to them if they. >> have no status. i mean, there's nothing in this order that. tells us what happens to

these. >> babies if they're not americans. >> at birth, you know, who do they belong to? are they stateless? and then what about their parents? even if they have a complicated immigration story, right? what will they do about health care for their kids? will they be worried to go to the hospital? will they be worried. to call the police, to call 911? if something happens. >> in. >> their home? what will they do about their education? what about housing? what about their parents jobs? will they will they sign a lease? will they continue in their job? will they continue to run a small business that they've been building like my parents? there's no way we're doing this interview. >> on if i. >> didn't have citizenship at. >> my birth. >> it's because. >> of that fact that. >> my parents. knew they could put. >> everything into. >> me and my sisters. and that's why i had the opportunities that i've had and the chance to ultimately. get a job, become a lawyer, run for office, be attorney general. >> how long do you. think this legal fight could play out? >> we hope it's. >> quick because the. havoc and the chaos that's that's that

this president is bringing to immigrant families is happening right now, even before it takes effect in 30 days. what we're most concerned about is people are making decisions now, you know, babies are going to be born now. they're being born now, they're going to be born in 31 days. and people have to make decisions about their lives and how they're going to respond. >> something like. >> 12,000 babies who get that birthright citizenship are born every. >> month. >> according to the lawsuits. what you've written now, we've learned a new memo from. >> the acting. >> deputy attorney general ordering the department of justice to help. homeland security locate people in the u.s. illegally, and even listen to this, even investigate. >> for potential prosecution. state and local. officials who. >> resist deportations. >> or impede federal authorities. what's your reaction to that? >> yeah, my reaction is this is this is more bluster and intimidation. and trying to

force us and compel us to do their will. and connecticut has never quit on people. we're never going to surrender, and i am never going to back down so they can say whatever they want. here's the bottom line the 14th amendment protects birthright citizenship, period. full stop by its very terms. if justice gorsuch were sitting here right now, i would say to. >> him. >> read the language, sir. >> it's very. >> clear in. >> black and. white if. >> you're an originalist. >> if. >> you're a textualist. it's beyond clear. and the fact is, is that immigration. is the federal government's responsibility. it's not the responsibility. >> of the states. >> we delegated that authority to the federal government, and they have no right to come into our states and tell state officials like me and state and local police what to do. do your job. >> connecticut attorney general. >> william tong. >> thank you very. much for being here. >> thank you. ana. >> up next, new allegations against pete hegseth involving his second wife and fears about her personal safety, headset's

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but now new allegations. have surfaced and are being reviewed by senators. headset's former sister in law claims his second wife feared for her safety. she alleges samantha. hegseth told her that she once hid from her then husband in a. >> closet. >> and that samantha developed escape plans with a code word. the claims are in an affidavit danielle hegseth submitted to the senate in response to a question from senator jack reed. pete hegseth has denied the allegations, his attorney saying in part, sam has never alleged that there was any abuse. >> she signed. >> court documents acknowledging that there was no abuse, and recently reaffirmed the same during her fbi interview. related claims by danielle dietrich do nothing to change that. as part of pete and samantha's divorce proceedings in 2021, they signed a document

saying neither claimed to be a victim of domestic abuse. nbc news asked samantha hegseth about the allegations and she told us, quote, i do not believe your information to be accurate. there was no physical abuse in my marriage. nbc's julie sirkin is. >> at the. >> capitol for us, and we are also joined by amy parnes, senior political correspondent for the hill. julie, who has seen this affidavit. and what reactions are you getting in the senate? >> yeah. good morning ana. well, look, the affidavit is available, an unredacted version for senators to view in a room here in the capitol. we know that democrats have viewed the affidavit, and we also know that some republicans have viewed the affidavit, the unredacted version, of course, in which danielle hegseth is laying out all of these allegations and more that aren't viewable in the redacted copy that we have and i think important here, importantly here, of course, democrats are expressing their concerns, and rightly so when it comes to these allegations. but of course, it is up to republicans who ultimately are going to have the votes to confirm pete hegseth at some

point potentially. this week. i talked to senator tim kaine about some of these allegations. you'll remember that back during pete hegseth confirmation hearing last tuesday, kaine explicitly pressed him on these allegations of potential abuse, sort of seeming to hint that he knew something all the way back then. take a listen here. >> i've got two sets. >> of definitive. answers on three. >> different claims. >> have you ever. >> engaged in abusive behavior against. >> any of your wives? >> no. >> would that. >> be disqualifying for secretary. >> of defense? >> he would not answer. >> that's an easy question. >> would spousal abuse be. >> disqualifying for somebody being. >> considered secretary of defense? >> the answer is, of course. >> it would be. >> but he. >> was unwilling. >> to give me. >> a clear answer. >> so again, it is up to republicans in the end about what they're going to do with this information. ana. >> so can any senator. >> now seek. >> additional testimony or more sworn statements based on this? julie, does this change the vote timing?

>> well, certainly they're trying to push this vote through when it comes to who said they changed the order in which he will be considered, it is obvious that they want to make sure the trump team, that is, that he is confirmed and in place. that being said, we have a new statement from senator jack reed, who in our reporting is the one who ultimately led danielle hegseth to bring these allegations to light. he says, quote, the sworn affidavit from this courageous woman provided at enormous personal risk and with nothing to gain documents, a disturbing pattern of abuse and misconduct by mr. hegseth. this behavior would disqualify any service member from holding any leadership position in the military, much less being confirmed as the secretary of defense. i will tell you, i am having conversations with some republicans who have been concerned about seth, about his alcohol abuse, about other allegations that he has denied and we have heard of since he was picked by trump in november. that being said, though, it's a very high threshold for them to be able to vote against him. and certainly samantha hegseth denying some of these allegations doesn't help them in that effort. >> julie sirkin, thank. >> you for.

>> bringing us that reporting. amy hegseth, former sister in law, could have, you know, put forward these allegations anonymously. but she says in a sworn. >> affidavit. >> quote. i have been assured that making. this public statement will ensure that certain senators who are still on the fence will vote against seth's confirmation. but for that assurance, i would not subject myself or others referred to in this statement. >> to the public scrutiny. >> this statement is likely to cause. did she. >> make the right calculation? >> will any republicans be swayed by this? >> well. >> it is a strong statement, ana. >> but the. >> republicans i have been speaking. >> to. >> are not swayed by it. they need. >> more proof. >> they need. >> someone to come out and corroborate. >> what she. >> is saying. >> and if samantha hegseth. >> doesn't come out and. >> say something, i think that. >> doesn't do any. >> favors to this. >> i mean, you know, it's going to proceed, and i don't see. >> it slowing down in any way. republicans are determined. >> to get. >> this through.

>> they have a timeline. >> they're on a very. >> fast timeline. they want to get. >> this through by late. >> friday. >> maybe into early saturday. >> and that's it's. >> on track right now. there is no drilling this train. >> i mean, based on the specific position that he's nominated for the department of defense, just how giant this. >> is. >> this department is plus all the swirl of controversies, the experience level that he has, he was seen as being the perhaps toughest confirmation battle of those nominees still are in the mix. you know, gates was another story. but if he's on track to be confirmed, does that mean that all of donald trump's other nominees are smooth sailing? >> it looks. like it. it looks like right now republicans. >> are. >> falling in line with. >> the president. >> they don't. >> want. >> to cross. >> that line. >> they are really. >> they are animated. they know. >> that they have to move quickly in order to make. >> this happen. >> and i'm not seeing that there will be any dissent that they're going to. >> move forward. >> all my sources are kind. >> of saying. >> the same thing, so i don't expect it to be a problem. i

mean, kash patel was a problem at one point. you know, democrats are sort of waving the red flag on him still, but it seems. >> like even. >> someone like him is going to sail right through the nomination. >> we're still waiting for his confirmation hearing. we're still waiting on the hearings for rfk jr at hhs, for tulsi gabbard to also have the confirmation vote. so we'll be watching. >> yes. >> thank you so much. thank you. have you. ever seen. >> a. >> sight like this? >> most folks. >> in new. >> orleans haven't either. more on. >> the once in a. >> lifetime snow hitting the south. plus, with january 6th, rioters freed officers who were attacked that day are having to file protective orders. we're file protective orders. we're back in just a [coughing] —sounds like you need to vaporize that cold. nyquil vapocool? it's nyquil plus a rush of vicks vapors. ♪vapocooooool♪ nyquil vapocool. the vaporizing night time, sniffling, sneezing, coughing, best sleep with a cold, medicine. you get.

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>> just stop. >> by grainger. >> we're the ones. >> who. >> get it done. >> we have some breaking news now from our nation's capitol, where speaker johnson just addressed president trump's pardons of january 6th rioters. watch. >> so, look, everybody can describe this however they want. the president has the pardon and commutation authority. it's his decision. and i think what the what was made clear all along is that peaceful protests and people who engage in that should never be punished. there was a weaponization of the justice

department. there was a weaponization of the events, the following, you know, the prosecutions that happened after january 6th. it was a it was a terrible time and a terrible chapter in america's history. the president's made his decision. i don't second guess those. and, yes, you know, it's kind of my ethos, my worldview. we believe in redemption. we believe in second chances. if you could, you would argue that those people didn't pay a heavy penalty having been incarcerated and all of that. that's up to you. but the president's made a decision. we move forward. >> nbc's julie sirkin is back with us. >> okay, julie, how does that. >> compare to the rest of the reaction we've been hearing about these pardons? >> well, i think it's important that, of course, republican leadership are very much toeing the line on this. speaker johnson, who has worked for months to rebuild a relationship, to build a relationship. excuse me with president trump. he's not going to second guess him in a public setting. the rest of his statement, i thought, was so important, too, because he did make reference of violent versus peaceful protesters, of those who assaulted officers and those

who didn't. he like other republicans, most of them at least making that distinction, basically pointing to the fact that they don't necessarily agree with the fact that anybody who attacked law enforcement should have been pardoned. but they're saying it very carefully. they don't want to cross trump in this. now, we heard from susan collins, thom tillis and others, even ron johnson, who was frankly in favor of releasing many of these prisoners and those who were here on that day saying that, you know, they do respect law enforcement. they don't believe that anybody who assaulted them should be in trouble or should be let out of prison. i will tell you, though, that lauren boebert, who is a congresswoman here, yesterday invited these released january 6th prisoners, some of them at least, to the capitol to get a tour. we don't know yet when that's going to happen, but they have all the authority to bring them into this building if they want to do so, and i expect they probably will. anna. >> okay. julie sirkin, thank. >> you for the update. >> we're also hearing from some of the police officers who responded to the january 6th attacks, reacting to those pardons and the threats they faced. here's former

metropolitan. >> police officer. >> michael fanone. >> i didn't even make it through my testimony before i received the first threatening phone call. my mother has been the victim of swatting incidents. she has had bricks thrown at her home in the middle of the night. and recently, while she was raking the leaves in her front yard, she had an individual pull up in a truck and throw a bag on her. this is the type of conduct and behavior that we've experienced for four years. and quite frankly, law enforcement has been feckless in its attempts to protect us and prevent these types of crimes from occurring. >> fanone is now working to get protective orders against the five people who assaulted him that day. after president trump pardoned roughly 1500 january 6th. >> rioters also.

>> wiped clean this morning, the fbi. >> websites dedicated. >> to the january 6th investigation, videos and photos of people arrested, as well as outstanding suspects. >> all gone. >> more now from nbc news justice reporter ryan riley, author of the book sedition hunters and msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin. ryan, you have been talking to prosecutors who worked these cases. what are they telling you now? >> yeah, i spoke with jason manning, who's a prosecutor who has worked these cases for years, you know, going to a federal courtroom where facts and evidence matter, unlike on capitol hill, where you can sort of say whatever you want for whatever political reason you need to whatever, you know, goal you're trying to accomplish, whatever talking point you're trying to say in, in court, the facts and the evidence speak and the facts and the evidence matter. and what jury after jury and after judge after judge found is that there was overwhelming evidence that hundreds of donald trump supporters assaulted law enforcement officers repeatedly

and viciously, and they are now all pardoned. that's the clear truth. there is no disputing that no honest person can look at this evidence and dispute it in any way. here's what jason manning had to say. i would have. >> said the same thing that i say to anybody who questions the appropriateness of holding accountable the rioters on january 6th, which is take half an hour and watch body worn camera of an officer who was assaulted that day. take half an hour and imagine yourself standing in their shoes and think about what type of message it sends to that police officer, to all of our country's police officers to issue a pardon that communicates those assaults are okay. >> and so on. capitol hill, people don't want to see the evidence. they don't want to be presented with the evidence because it's overwhelmingly negative for donald trump supporters who did this on video, often posting their own crimes themselves. that's why it was so easy to convict a lot of these. and that's why a lot of

these apples to oranges comparisons between the january 6th attack on the us capitol and other incidents around the country don't really make a lot of sense, because those in those other instances, first of all, it was an attack on the us capitol. also, the evidence just wasn't as overwhelming as it was in these january 6th cases. >> anna ryan. >> this was the largest fbi. >> investigation in history. >> how striking is it to see this history essentially erased? >> you know, that's it can be erased in some ways. and that's something that i talk with with jason about yesterday when i sat down with him. right. you can you can get rid of these websites, but you know, you're not going to clear the court docket. you're not going to you're not going to clear all the evidence that's out there available on the internet. so this is information that will live on. and while while these cases are going away, the record, as he said, still stands and the record still stands today. there is no disputing. and no honest person can tell you that donald trump supporters did not viciously assault law enforcement officers that day,

dragging them down the stairs of the capitol, kicking them in the face, attacking them with bats, with batons, with any kind of weapon you can imagine office furniture that was broken apart slammed over their heads. officers spent hours in that capitol tunnel battling for their lives. mike fanone thought he was going to die that day. he called out for his kids. the evidence is overwhelming. no honest person can tell you otherwise. and the record still stands no matter what happened and what donald trump did to get rid and pardon these violent, vicious felons who assaulted who assaulted officers because they believe donald trump's lies about the 2020 election. >> some officers were. >> so injured. >> they needed. >> surgery, some had traumatic brain injuries. lisa, we heard that sound from officer fanone. and he's now working to get these protective orders. what's that process like, and what kind of security would he and his family have at this point? >> well, first of all, in terms of any security that he and his family would have, that would be up to them. and obviously that requires resources that somebody who served for a long time as a capitol police or metropolitan police department officer

wouldn't have at their disposal. getting a protective order is no guarantee of security. what it requires is that a person stay a particular distance away from you, and that's all mike fanone is really able to do on a using the law. the process of getting a protective order differs by jurisdiction, but the fact that mike fanone feels that he needs to go to those measures, and the fact that he can identify those five people that came at him after his testimony, both of those things should instill some fear in americans, because the people who have been released, they are not necessarily content to go back to their lives. we had one who was released. william sarsfield talked to nbc news's gary grumbach yesterday, and when grumbach asked him what was next for him, he said he wanted to go home and take a look at his own house, his own community, and find essentially the wrongdoers and the people with the wrong mindset there. that's not wiping the slate clean. the golden age that donald trump promised in his inaugural address, very quickly

revealing itself to be the grievance agent. now we're seeing. >> other moves happening within the. justice department. nbc news has learned that the justice department officials, some of them, have been removed from their jobs. they've been reallocated to less desirable roles. and that includes one really high ranking national security lawyer who's worked on war crimes, on terrorism cases for decades. how much could all this impact the way the doj operates? >> it could have an enormous impact. and this is something that people like me understood would be coming in conversations with people close to trump world. they understand that, for example, they may not be able to prosecute some of the people responsible for the january 6th investigation and prosecutions, but they sure can make their lives miserable by reassigning them, removing them from posts in the department of justice for which they feel they are now inappropriate, and they are poorly equipped to carry out the directives of this new department of justice. we even saw this morning, for example,

the acting deputy attorney general issuing a memo talking about pursuing the very highest charges, including death eligible sentences wherever prosecutors can. that is in some contrast to what the justice department looked like under merrick garland. and they are determined to remake doj in the image of donald trump. lisa rubin, thank you very much. ryan riley. >> thanks as well for your reporting. up next here in ana cabrera reports, it was donald trump's apprentice catchphrase, you're fired. while the government workers, he's now put on the chopping block in the first hours of his presidency. >> did you. >> know some liquid. >> laundry detergents are designed. >> to leave like some liquid laundry detergents, earth breeze delivers a powerful clean with less chemical residue and no optical brighteners. plus, each sheet is made of 100%

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learn more at viking.com. president trump has gone all in on the culture wars. overnight, he ordered all federal workers and diversity, equity and inclusion rules to be put on paid leave, which came hours after he slashed dei programs across the government, giving agencies 60 days to get rid of all dei positions. for his first major military shakeup, he fired the first female officer to lead a branch of the armed forces, now ex coast guard chief linda fagan. and as of this morning, the spanish language version of the official white house website gives a 404 error. joining us now, republican strategist susan del percio and democratic strategist basil smikle. both are msnbc political analysts.

basil, we've touched on how so many of these initial orders are essentially reversals of president biden's executive orders, particularly when it comes to diversity, equity, inclusion. and, of course, they could be reversed again if a democratic president takes takes office. do you see this dei backlash as temporary, or do you see it having lasting impact in government and the private sector as well? >> i do see it as having lasting impact. and some of these orders, the reversals of things that obama had done. so this is this is far reaching, both looking back and looking forward. the concern is that not only was the eradication of dei and equal opportunity consistent through all of the departments as, as, as written in project 2025, but this has an impact on minority and women owned businesses. women make up a, if not a substantial proportion, but or it may be the most the single demographic that has the most small businesses. and so when you look at the long range

impact, this has a this has the effect of hurting the political and economic opportunities for minority and women owned businesses. so there are certainly lasting effects that go well beyond that could go well beyond trump's actual administration. so i look at the pipeline. how does this affect the pipeline of businesses, the pipeline of people looking for employment, the pipeline of leadership among these more vulnerable communities. and so, yes, this is this is not just limited to four years. >> and so, susan, republicans have been framing this as a return to meritocracy. i just wonder how that meritocracy argument stands up to who trump is now hiring to surround him and take leadership roles in the white house. a lot of his cabinet nominees have been criticized for not having the right experience. >> you're absolutely right to bring that up. and but trump doesn't care. and that's the really the boils down to he is

going to do whatever makes his base happy. he's doing it immediately so he can focus on probably making a lot of money in crypto or something else. and these are just again, he wants to tick off a list. it has nothing to do with good policy. it has nothing to do with any true value. it is all about just saying to his base i said i would do this. here it is. and going forward i think we're going to see he's going to keep trying to use these presidential orders because he's not going to be able to govern much if he's only looking to get two bills passed in his first two years. >> slash and burn is one term that comes to mind. he also fired four top immigration court officials, none of whom were political appointees. that court system currently faces a huge backlog of more than 3 million cases right now. we also learned he shut down the cfpb one app, which is how hundreds of thousands of people who want to apply for asylum were trying to

make, you know, court arrangements in order to do it the right way. so is there a plan beyond slash and burn, susan? i mean, is this going to help solve the immigration problem? >> it won't. and trump doesn't care. his solution to fixing the immigration crisis in this country is to simply have mass deportation. to use his words, that's not going to happen. and it wouldn't work even if it did, because it would take decades to implement what he wanted to. and no one has the interest in seeing that done. he's not serious about these issues. you know, we heard a lot of allies of his saying it will be shock and awe, and that's what he's delivering. and again, as long as he can say he did something okay. birthright citizenship, it's not going to it's in the constitution. it's not going to change. but i guarantee you, in his first 100 days, he's going to say something like, i signed the executive order. doesn't matter if it's not done. it's a

fig leaf. >> no, it's i mean, it's absolutely right. he wants to be able to tell his base that he did this. and for those that just think, well, it's not going to be that big a deal, you know, wait until you start to see ice officials going into your church or going into your school and removing children and removing families. i mean, there are, you know, to your earlier question, it's not just a pen to paper. these are real impacts on real people, some of whom voted for him but didn't think that necessarily that his policies or this stroke of a pen will necessarily affect them. that's not necessarily true. >> i mean, you talk about people impacted you. and i have spoken about springfield, ohio, and haitian immigrants there who are the target of some some racist rumors. if we all remember during the campaign by a lot of republicans, including jd vance and donald trump. well, now, here, take a look at this. the cincinnati enquirer is reporting haitians there have been shouted at. they've been told to pack their bags. the vast majority of

those haitian residents are here legally. washington democrats seem in a bit of a bind right now when it comes to immigration. have they done enough to address this climate of fear? immigrant communities are now facing. >> you know, i'm going to get in a lot of trouble for saying this. i think they've done a lot. but the problem with where we are now in this country is that trump's impact will intimidate a lot of democratic leaders who otherwise may have taken a bolder position on immigration. i speak about this because even the mayor of the city of new york, the second african-american in the history of the city of new york to be mayor, has said that he is not going to publicly criticize donald trump. now, how do you take that position when so many people within your borders in jurisdiction, folks that elected you to become mayor of the city of new york, are going to be impacted by these very policies in an extremely negative way. so

that's the concern. it's the chilling effect that his presidency has on people using their voice. >> basil smikle susan del percio got to leave it there. thanks, guys for the conversation. nice to see you. that does it for us today. thank you for joining me. i'll see you back here tomorrow. same time, same place. and don't forget, you can catch our show online around the clock on youtube and other platforms. i'm ana cabrera reporting from new york. jose diaz-balart picks up york. jose diaz-balart picks up our coverage if you're living with moderate to severe plaque psoriasis or active psoriatic arthritis symptoms can sometimes hold you back. but now there's skyrizi, so you can be all in with clearer skin. ♪things are getting clearer♪ ♪yeah, i feel free to bare my skin♪ ♪yeah, that's all me.♪ ♪nothing is everything♪ with skyrizi, you can show up with 90% clearer skin. and if you have psoriatic arthritis, skyrizi can help you move with less joint pain, stiffness, swelling, and fatigue. skyrizi is just 4 doses a year after 2 starter doses.

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