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>> good to be with you i'm katie tur. >> we're going to. >> start with eyes on. >> miami. where the leader of the. >> proud. >> boys is expected to land. >> home this afternoon. enrique tarrio. >> the former leader. >> of the far right militia group, was sentenced to 22 years in prison for seditious conspiracy. what does that mean? well, it means a jury of his peers. >> found him. >> guilty of conspiring to violently overturn the federal government on january 6th, 2021. now, he. >> says, because. >> he was put behind bars by the. >> fbi. >> by the doj, he wants retribution. >> we went through hell and i'm going to tell you it. >> was worth. >> it, because what we stood for and what those guys stood. for was what we've been fighting for and what we saw yesterday on the inauguration stage. now it's our turn. now it's our turn. i'm happy that the president is focusing not on retribution and focusing on success, but i will

tell you that i'm not going to play by those rules. the people who did this, they need to feel the heat. >> the people. >> who did. >> this, they need to feel. >> the heat. so is washington ready for that heat? >> republican lawmakers. >> already appear to be suppressing early signs of. discomfort with what president donald trump might unleash. what he did with those pardons. >> we have what they. >> are saying about who was pardoned and who. the wall street. >> journal editorial. >> board condemned as cop beaters. but beyond words. >> we also have reporting on. >> the actions that paved the way for donald trump's administration to pursue revenge. >> the executive. >> orders that. >> taken together. >> according to the new york times, reveal the beginnings. >> of a far. >> more methodical, methodical, excuse me approach to root out. >> trump's perceived enemies. joining us now. >> nbc news justice. reporter ryan riley. his work. >> has largely. >> been focused on the fallout. >> of the january 6th attack on the u.s. capitol.

>> and he's written a book. >> about it. it's called sedition hunters. very good book. >> also with me is msnbc. legal correspondent lisa. >> rubin and. >> investigative reporter covering. >> washington for the new york times. >> michael schmidt. all right, ryan, i want to start with you. >> these january 6th. >> ers that have been. >> released are saying they want retribution. we heard that just now from enrique tarrio talking on on a podcast. what are the prosecutors who. >> put them behind. >> bars or who or. >> who. >> prosecuted them. >> and got. >> them put away saying about this? >> yeah, i mean, they're standing by these cases. and that's because there's overwhelming evidence of the guilt of hundreds of people who assaulted law enforcement officers viciously on january 6th. there is no reasonable doubt about these cases. these are cases. that went beyond a reasonable doubt that they were proven either before a jury or before a judge. judges appointed by members of both parties, or because these individuals stood up in court, swore, swore an oath, and said that they were guilty of the crimes that they

committed that day. and why wouldn't they? because they were. so the evidence was so overwhelming. this is one of the most captured crimes in in history. and actually, yesterday i actually sat down with jason manning. he's one of the prosecutors, about 100 of them or more, who have sat down and worked for years, you know, really on these cases. and they started out, you know, working on this because they thought they were trying to protect democracy, but ultimately they really wanted to vindicate the assaults that the victims who were assaulted during that attack. take a listen to what he had to say. >> i would have said. >> the same thing that i say to. >> anybody who questions. the appropriateness of. holding accountable the rioters on january 6th, which is. >> take half an. >> hour and. >> watch body worn camera. of an officer. >> who was assaulted. >> that day. >> take half. >> an. hour and imagine yourself standing in their. >> shoes and. >> think about what type of message it. >> sends to that police officer, to all of our country's police officers to issue a pardon that

communicates those assaults are okay. >> i think one of the complicating factors here, katy, is really that a lot of this information didn't break through and it wasn't social, it wasn't shareable enough. and there's just millions of americans who never saw some of those vicious assaults or, you know, didn't have an hbo subscription or see that really well-made documentary, four hours on the capitol, that shows some of the really vicious evidence. and they've just been in these silos, in these information silos where they can pretend that, you know, oh, maybe it was antifa, or they can pretend that, oh, you know, actually, maybe it was the fbi, maybe it was the fbi and antifa working together, and they come up with all sorts of conspiracy theories that then republicans will repeat on capitol but the thing about courts is, it's not like capitol hill. it's not like the white house opinions and many of the judges in these cases, who are appointed by members of both parties, have had different opinions on the justice department's approach to this. some of them have thought that some of the misdemeanor cases weren't as important, and maybe they should have focused more on the felony assault

cases. but at the end of the day, all of those judges looked at the evidence and all of those those jurors looked at the evidence that was staring them in the face. and they did the work, and they watched it, and they came out with the logical conclusion that you would reach if you watched the evidence and you looked at it. and so that's what we saw on a lot of these january 6th cases. >> you know, you make a good point that the evidence that was put before the courts wasn't necessarily the same evidence that was seen by the broader public. and there was a reliance on the courts to clean up the mess of january 6th when, when the public and the, the, our society wasn't brought along with it because there were so many competing voices, republicans or lawmakers on on capitol hill knew what happened that day because. >> they were. >> witness to it. they were scared. they talked about being scared. and there were lawmakers who expressed discomfort with donald trump doing this before he did it, didn't want to see it happen. lindsey graham specifically saying he didn't want the violent ones pardoned. but now what you're hearing from

lawmakers is, yeah, i don't like this, but it's a softening. and it shows you just how far donald trump has, has gone within the republican party, even on day one, day two of his administration. i'm going to put up two things for you. one is the wall street journal editorial board saying, this isn't a good idea. this is bad. these are these were cop beaters. that's how the editorial board calls these folks or describes these folks. and the other thing is just the way republican lawmakers are reacting. i'll let you listen. >> what i'm. >> trying to do is figure out there are some commutations to me. i just can't agree. i'm about to file two bills that will increase the penalties up to and including the. >> death penalty. >> for the murder of a police officer and increasing the penalties and creating federal crimes for assaulting a police officer. >> that should give you everything you need to know about my position. >> like it is. it's it was surprising to me that it was a blanket. pardon? >> are you. >> comfortable. >> with. >> these. >> pardons for january 6th?

>> look. >> as i. >> said, sorry. >> sorry. >> as i've said before. >> we're looking forward. >> to the. next four years, not the last four. >> what message. >> does this send. >> to. police officers who were there that day? were the. >> party of law and order? what about. >> the officer? what about the people that were attacked? the officers that were attacked that day? >> you got to move. >> the. >> mic of biden. >> people who committed. >> violent crimes on. >> january 6th. >> of. >> 2021 should not be pardoned. >> and i think this is. a. >> terrible day for. >> our justice department. >> it's wrong. >> to assault anybody, but. >> certainly to assault an officer. >> and i'm. >> a big. fan of the blue guy. >> are you worried about. >> cases like. >> the leader of the proud boys and the oath keepers, folks that were convicted. >> for 20. 30 years? >> am i concerned about it? >> i mean, it's again. >> it's not. >> ideal. >> but i'm not overly concerned about it either. i think. >> that. >> the gift. >> is that. >> it's all. >> behind us now. >> and we can. >> stop talking about it. >> it's not ideal. here's the

thing. there are folks that are saying that it's not behind them, that they're currently very scared. i'll play you two more sound bites. this one is from the son of one of the january 6th rioters, jackson ruffin. he testified against his dad. he called in his dad after the january 6th riot. excuse me? riot. and then the other one is the ex-wife of stewart rhodes, the head of the oath keepers. listen to how they're describing their life now that these people are free. >> well, it's gotten worse. i mean, he's physically out now, and that is a reality that i haven't really faced yet. i thought i had time to work with it and understand it and work with him at some point, but i don't have that time anymore. and the only thing i can do right now is sit around. after a couple months of prepping and being safe and distancing myself and moving and buy a handgun and a rifle. i mean, that's the only thing i can do besides talk about it right now and, you

know, try to surround myself with good, healthy people. and i guess just spectate what happens now? i have nothing else to do other than just to sit here and be paranoid and imagine what could happen. >> what is your concern if donald trump gives a pardon. >> to stewart rhodes and some of the other oath keepers? >> could your. family be in jeopardy? >> i think very much so. and. we're, you know, hurrying. >> up to. >> try to. make plans. you know, maybe we'll. >> stay put. >> maybe we'll. >> move somewhere. maybe we'll. try to. >> move somewhere and sort of disappear. >> i mean, i. >> just don't really know what to do. >> i probably. >> should have been more. >> prepared for this. >> but i just it's. >> just so. >> unbelievable that this could happen. >> stewart rhodes is a very dangerous person. he's dangerous to us as his family. certainly

he's dangerous to. >> all. >> of america. >> they're still living with it every day. this is not the path behind them any longer. and that young man, jackson, also said that he gets a ton of threats from folks that that believe in january 6th and believe in what the people did that day. so again, he bought himself a handgun and a rifle going forward, though, we heard enrique tarrio, and i'll give this one to you, mike, suggest that donald trump is not looking backward. he's not looking for retribution. but you have interesting reporting today, just lining up a lot of the executive orders and what they give donald trump and his administration the power to do. can you walk us through that. >> so on monday. >> night. >> trump signs a. >> bunch of. different executive orders. >> and one of them sets. out and asks. the attorney. >> general and the head of the director of national. >> intelligence to go. >> out and look at the previous administration and come. back

with potential misconduct or. political bias that they found. >> and the interesting. >> thing about. >> the order. >> is that. >> it basically. says it's my conclusion that the previous administration, the biden administration, acted with political bias, politicized. >> things. >> did terrible things to the january 6th. defendants, did terrible things to trump supporters. so it's sort of already kind of lays out the conclusion of what it's looking for. and what it does. if you look at it and you talk to lawyers about it, is it's sort of like the beginning stages of fact finding that could ultimately end up in an investigation. >> it is. >> doesn't say that it's retribution. it doesn't say that they're seeking retribution. it says that that trump and his allies were victims, and they were victims of this previous administration. and now his administration must go and look through the files of government

to see what is there. >> and. >> that is just. >> the beginning. >> stages of. of a lot of different things. there could. be the order calls for reports to be sent back to the president on what is found. those reports could be made public. they could name people that are in the government who did different things that could identify them, certainly could be passed to the fbi for investigations. so it doesn't say retribution. it says this is about victimization. so the language is different. but if you look at it and you look at what trump said, it's pretty clear what it's looking for. >> there's also some moves that are that just appear to be straight up revenge, like removing john bolton's. security detail. john bolton, who, you know, had a hit out against him by the iranian government that was investigated and he was warned about it by the doj. he was warned that his life was in danger. he had a security detail because of that. and you may not like john bolton. you may not agree with any of his policies or his decisions, but to take

away his security detail, i mean, that puts him in physical danger. >> well. >> that was the thing about this order is that it came down with several other actions that sent clear signals about what trump wanted done. he took the security clearances away from these 50 intelligence officials. and bolton was was among them. and then by noon the next day, bolton had lost his security detail. and that is all tied into the killing of soleimani, where the trump administration took the extraordinary action of killing soleimani while he was in iraq and bolton being a central player in that was a potential target of iranian retribution. and because of that, he was being protected by the us government because because of the threats from iran. and as if i if i quote it, i'm not going to quote it correctly. exactly. but trump basically said that, you know, you know, that you don't get protection for life for that

kind of thing. and that was why he took it away when he was asked about it late yesterday. >> i wonder if he would have maintained that protection if he had said more nice things about donald trump. john bolton, of course, was one of the people that that was coming out and saying donald trump is not fit to be president again. lisa, you've also been reading through these executive orders, looking at it with a legal eye. give us a little bit more about the authority that is granted here. well, i totally agree with. >> mike in. >> that the ending, the weaponization. >> of federal. government executive order, at first blush, seems. >> sort of feckless, right? >> because all that it's asking for is essentially reporting back, both by the. attorney general and by the director. >> of. >> national intelligence, to sort of. >> take. >> a 360 view of law enforcement agencies and the intelligence. community and figure out what happened here that was responsible for what trump calls, you know, the political persecution of enemies of the previous administration and hold them accountable. on the other hand, those reports that the executive order is directing each of those people to prepare, those are. essentially

prosecution memos that could be made public. and i want to take a step back. usually when law enforcement is preparing to prosecute someone, there. >> is a. >> memorandum that is prepared that compiles all the evidence and talks about the charging decisions. but we, the public, never see those. this is a way of setting a predicate for future investigations and prosecutions in a way that can be completely transparent to the american public, and yet not run afoul of department of justice or other executive agencies. policies about not basically imputing the guilt of people before they're charged with something. rather, they're going to do it in the guise of a legally authorized report to the president. but it's going to be the same sort of information that you might otherwise find in a prosecution memo, or even in an indictment. katie, the other thing that i want to point to is how broad it is, because i think many of us were expecting that trump would direct the department of justice to sort of turn its lens inward on people like jack smith or some of the prosecutors who prosecuted the january 6th cases. and it's really, really broad. it's

talking about an unprecedented third world weaponization of prosecutorial power to upend the democratic process. and that includes everything from the ruthless prosecution. those are their words. of the more than 1500 individuals associated with january 6th, but also includes the sort of fallacy about the biden administration taking on parents at school board meetings and the like. >> you know, we're again, we're watching miami because enrique tarrio is going to land there not to put too much attention on enrique tarrio, but because you do have to wonder what these january 6th ers are going to do after this, and what they might do with information that they can glean from these memorandum. as you were talking as you're describing. i mean he said he wants his own retribution. he wants the heat to come to the folks who who put him behind bars. again, they had a ton of evidence against him and his and others that were charged with conspiracy. can what's the term seditious conspiracy? seditious conspiracy? i was inverting those. just explain again why he was put behind bars for so many

years. >> you're talking about. >> enrique tarrio. >> well, enrique tarrio was not only convicted of seditious conspiracy, but prior to that, he and many others were detained prior to their trials because they were found to be such a danger to the community that their release would not have been acceptable to the judges who were responsible for trying them in terms of the revenge that he's calling for. i just want to broaden the lens because it's much broader than tarrio nbc news is. gary grumbach has done a spectacular job over the last couple of days, talking to people outside these jails and other facilities where january 6th ers have been released. he spoke to a man named william saalfield yesterday, and when he asked saalfield what was next for him, this is what he said. i'm going to go back home to texas and i'm quoting regroup, go home and find the nefarious actors in local homes and towns because we've got to take care of our own house. that suggests to me that retribution isn't just aimed at people at the department of justice, for example, who are responsible, but even for people within their own communities who are january

6th, you know, people who sided with, who didn't. >> believe in what they did. >> right, who didn't believe in what they did and who saw the evidence firsthand and thought they needed. >> to be prosecuted. so they sent it. they sent it to the authorities. lisa rubin, mike schmidt, thank you very much. and ryan riley, thank you as well. oh, you are there. i was told you weren't still with us. i'm sorry ryan. thank you everybody. still ahead, donald trump ordered dea offices in the federal government to be shut down. what is happening to employees today? plus, what's complicating pete hegseth confirmation as defense secretary. senator tammy duckworth joins us to tell us about what the talk is internally about this nominee. also, former los angeles mayoral candidate rick caruso joins us. what he says went wrong in the handling of la's wildfires and what he would like to do now. we what he would like to do now. we are back in with powerful, easy-to-use tools power e*trade makes complex trading easier. react to fast-moving markets with dynamic charting and a futures ladder that lets you place,

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new york times opinion columnist david french. gentlemen, thank you so much. what is the goal? i'm going to cough. what is the goal here, michael? >> oh. >> the. >> goal is just to. >> eradicate any effort. >> that levels. >> up. >> you know. >> or touches. >> on the idea of creating a. >> space in. >> which our. >> our institutions, particularly. >> our government. >> institutions and. >> public institutions, are. mindful of, of, you know, including. >> everyone creating. >> that idea of access. >> and so, you. >> know, the federal. government has. >> always been. >> at the at the vanguard. >> of. >> these, these. >> types of initiatives. >> sometimes a little slow. >> to the game, we know historically. >> but nonetheless. >> there the military. >> is a very good example of that sort of forward leaning. >> sort of into the. cultural moment and recognizing the responsibility. >> all of that's.

>> an anathema. >> to those who believe. >> that these. >> things impinge on. >> the whiteness of america. >> and that somehow, by elevating up. individuals of color, you're taking away something from. >> from white constituents. >> we know that's not the case. >> but that is the belief. >> and so donald trump again leans into that. >> elevates it, gives. >> it a voice. it cements further their support of him because. >> he's embracing. >> whiteness as opposed. to americanism. and that's that's how we get where we are. >> i want to ask david about whether this does actually meet the goal of handing out merit based assignments. and, and i and i want to preface it by saying that there is not a big argument out there, that the way that the government was hiring was great, that they were doing a good job getting the best folks. i mean, your colleague at

the new york times, on the opinion side of things, ezra klein, had had a great podcast interviewing some experts in this about the way the federal government works and the way they hire, and just the fact that the best people are not getting the jobs, not because they're focusing on dei, but because they don't want to get, you know, in trouble for making the wrong decision or in trouble for using their judgment. and it lays it out in detail. and i won't get into the detail, but go listen to the podcast. in this house, we're angry when government fails. its from last november. it's a good one. i relistened to it today. i understand the goal to try to make the federal government work better. if donald trump were attempting to do that, really, truly attempting to do that. how how might his administration go about things? >> yeah. >> that's that's. >> a. >> really good question. >> because. >> critics of trump don't always need to be seen as defenders of the status quo, because sometimes the status quo is not acceptable. it's just that trump doesn't offer the right answer here. so yes, there is a

circumstance where there are good reasons, as ezra has laid out as well as anybody. i agree with you for being concerned about the way we hire, promote, retain inside the. federal bureaucracy. as a veteran, somebody who served in the army, i'm very familiar with military bureaucracy, and sometimes it can promote timidity. >> it can. >> foster mediocrity. but you're not fixing that by getting rid of dei. i mean, dei is this giant boogeyman sort of in the right wing imagination, but it is not the root of all bureaucratic evil. it's not even the root of most or even a significant portion of bureaucratic evil. and so. >> you know. >> if you are wanting to reform the federal government, you would want, i do believe, to make it easier to fire government employees, a mediocre employees can exist within the government for a very, very long time and accumulate an awful lot of power. i do think there should be more ability to fire, for example, at the same time

that we robustly protect against race discrimination, gender discrimination, age discrimination on the basis of disability, all of the federal laws that still are in force and that trump can't get rid of by signing an anti dei executive order. >> is this the sort of thing though, michael, that plays well because people think that is it's a it's an easy boogeyman to say this is why nothing works. because we've stopped hiring the way that we should be hiring. >> yeah. >> no. >> david david is. >> exactly right about that. and, and but there are ripple effects to all of this and this. this dei. versus meritocracy. >> is a false comparison. >> it's a. >> false argument to make. >> because the presumption is that if you're embracing, you know, diversity in your. >> workforce. >> elevating up equality in your workforce, whether it's government or the. private sector. that you're somehow, you know, buying into this idea that. >> these individuals.

>> are not worthy of the responsibility and. >> the job. >> that they are not meritoriously considered, they have no value in terms of their merits. they're just picked because they're black. they're just picked because they're white. they're inherently incompetent. that's the conversation. that's the piece that no one wants to dance on. but that's at the core of a lot of this bull around dei. i mean, david's right. it has created a boogeyman, a very much like crt. you ask people, what is crt? they can't tell you because they don't know. they've just been told that it's bad and that it somehow has to do with their white child being less than a black child. so that's that's the thread that runs through a lot of this. and we've already seen the impact by the from the supreme court decisions on affirmative action. institutions are now reporting that the enrollment of african american

students in particular is halved in many cases. you mean to tell me those kids had no merit otherwise to be at these schools? the fact is they don't need to consider them anymore. they don't need to put them in the meritocracy argument or consideration, because then they don't have to dance with, oh, how many black kids do we put in the freshman class? so that's the other side of this. when you take these this requirement, if you will, which is really just kind of reminding you that there are very much black and brown students who have the academic skills, the professional level of competency to do the job academically or to do the job professionally. but no one wants to be reminded of that and no one wants to deal with that. they just want to take it out. because, as david noted, that's the bad thing. and somehow it's going to correct. meritocracy is going to correct for everything else. and what we're already seeing with the numbers coming from stanford and other

institutions that have embraced this, you know, this new approach. yeah, it's having an impact on who they're bringing into those classes and who they're hiring. >> yeah. and as david said, there's a difference between making a boogeyman and as you're saying as well, and actually trying to affect the change that you say is your goal to make it more merit based, to make it function better, and that democrats need to find a way to be against these policies without being defenders of the status quo. gentleman michael steele, david french, thank you so much for joining us. and coming up, we're going to talk to a man from los angeles, a vocal critic of how the l.a. wildfires have been handled. what former mayoral candidate, maybe future mayoral or governor candidate rick caruso? things should be done now. big player from out there. he's going to join us. and what's happening with pete hegseth? confirmation after new allegations were just revealed. we're going to ask senator tammy duckworth what's being said behind the scenes. being said behind the scenes. nature knows best. that's why new chapter vitamins...

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>> jim, that. >> was 877877 cash. now to get a $100 gift card for a free quote. >> pete heck says former sister in law is complicating his confirmation to be the next secretary of defense. in a sworn statement, she told senators his second wife feared for her safety, specifically that hegseth was so abusive toward her she once hid in a closet from him and even had a safe word to call for help. the accusation, which both pete hegseth and his second wife deny, is, though, giving democrats another reason to vote

no. that being said, what about republicans? because they're the ones who could sink his nomination. joining us now, u.s. senator from illinois, tammy duckworth. she is a member of the armed services committee, which voted on party lines monday to send her nomination to the senate floor. republicans sent him, not democrats. this new allegation, are you hearing any talk among the committee, or maybe some of your republican colleagues, that this does, in fact, make them uncomfortable? >> well. >> they're not admitting to it out loud. >> and in. >> fact. >> they are trying. >> to shove through his confirmation. >> as quickly. >> as possible. >> before more. >> news can break of more. >> allegations and more. >> affidavits coming forward that speak to how unfit he is to be secretary of defense. and this is the problem. >> the trump. >> administration. >> when they requested the fbi background check on him, only requested a partial check. >> and they've. >> refused to even share that

report with the democrats on the committee. >> and now. >> they're trying to shove through his his confirmation without even further, you know, looking into these allegations. >> why are you. is there one reason above others that you're a hard no for hegseth? is it these allegations? what is it for you? >> well, he's. >> just not qualified for the job. i mean, bottom line, he spoke at length about. >> how. >> he didn't want to lower the standards in the military to allow women to serve fully in combat. and yet he wants us to lower the standards for him. he's only ever led more than two, 200 people or fewer, the largest budget he was ever in charge of was 18 million. i asked him if he'd ever led, you know, supervise an audit, because one of the things that's happening within the department of defense is they've never passed an audit successfully, and he has never passed an audit or led an audit. and in fact, he's so badly mangled, one of the organizations he led, they

had to bring in a forensic accountant to figure out what the heck he did with the $10 million budget they had. and now he wants to lead the pentagon, which has a budget of over $850 billion. i mean, he's just not qualified. i asked him very simple questions about, you know, what type of international negotiations would you have to engage in as a secretary of defense? and he couldn't answer that, and he should have to leave. he's going to have to go toe to toe with the secretary of defense of the people's republic of china, and he won't be able to stand up to them. so he's just on the merits of doing the job. he's not qualified, let alone all these allegations of passing out while, you know, drunk in uniform, going to strip joints in uniform, being having to be carried out of bars. >> you know, no. >> soldier would ever get promoted with those types of behaviors on the record. and yet my republican colleagues seem to think that's okay for somebody who wants to be secretary of

defense. >> joni ernst was was just asked about this and we i have we don't have the sound loaded, but i can tell you what she said. she said it's really hard to buy into the affidavit. the sworn statement from the former sister in law, when the ex-wife also swore that it did not happen. so she's not this is not it sounds like this is not going to sway her vote. she was somebody that people were looking toward because, you know, she's a she's a veteran. she's also been the victim of abuse. do you do you know why joni ernst would not be swayed by this or why she's just take the allegations out of it, why she would get behind somebody like pete hegseth? >> well. >> let's just start off. >> by saying that the ex-wife did not swear that it did happen. there was a statement that came out from her lawyers. remember that this ex-wife is dependent on mr. hegseth for child support and that she has very young children, and she has expressed a deep fear of him in the past. and so if you look at

what she has said or what her lawyers have said, they're very carefully made statements. and so at no point has she swore that this has never happened. so let's be clear about that. i think that joni ernst, when she came out and said initially that she had some concerns about that, immediately was flooded with attacks from the maga far right wing crowd. so much so, i mean, and even highest levels of the trump administration, those closest to president trump said everything from you will never win reelection. you will be, you know, a primary. so much so that she not long after that surprisingly came out and said, oh, i don't actually have any reservations anymore. i think this is all about people buckling under to donald trump. and it is really quite sad because this is about the operational readiness of our united states military. this is about the men and women who wear the uniform of this great nation. and us having here in the senate, the responsibility

to ensure that they are safeguarded and supported. when we ask them to go out and do the most difficult job possible, which is defending our freedom and our liberties. >> yeah, it. >> has been a lot of pressure from donald trump and his allies. senator tammy duckworth, thank you very much for joining us. we really appreciate having you. >> thank you. >> and still ahead, what israel is doing in the west bank as a cease fire holds in gaza. plus, the l.a. wildfires put former mayoral candidate rick caruso back in the political spotlight. what he says he would have done what he says he would have done if he were in charge. he j prilosec knows, for a fire... one fire extinguisher beats 10 buckets of water, and for zero heartburn 1 prilosec a day... beats taking up to 10 antacids a day. it's that simple, for 24 hour heartburn relief... one beats ten. prilosec otc. relax tense muscles so i can rest comfortably and slow. meg

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company rick caruso. mr. caruso lost the 2022 los angeles mayoral election to karen bass. thanks so much for being here, rick. as you know, i'm from los angeles. i'm from the palisades. i know a lot of people out ther. and just speaking to the democrats that i know most people are democrats. in california, you inspire strong feelings. some people are pretty suspicious of you, and then others are totally devoted to you. and but both sides want to hear this from you. if you were in charge, say you ran again and won either the mayorship or the gubernatorial race, what would you do to expedite things? to make things move along in the palisades and in altadena? >> well, katie. >> thanks for having me on. >> whoever the mayor is. whether it's me or anybody. >> else, you have to be prepared. >> i mean, that's your job. your number one. >> job as mayor. >> is to protect the safety and the. livelihood of the residents of los angeles. and actually, you have to be there. you have. >> to show up and.

>> be present. unfortunately. >> what we. >> had was we. >> were very ill. >> prepared and the mayor wasn't here. and i think that's wrong at so many different levels. >> but we. >> had a lot of preparation. >> that we did. >> as a company because we. >> had buildings. >> in that area. >> and our team did an amazing. >> job saving the buildings because we were prepared and the city could have done so much of a better job. >> i want to ask you about how you guys prepared, but first, i do want to get you looking forward. there is a whole lot of rebuilding to do in both those areas in the palisades and altadena. how do you balance speed with prevention? building fast, but building safely? >> yeah. >> it's complicated. let me just add one other thing and then i'll get to that in terms of being prepared. remember what happened. they ran out of water. a reservoir was closed for repairs. who closes a main reservoir that supplies water to fire hydrants during the peak fire season? we knew we had 40

years of brush that were never taken out and managed. so there could have been a whole lot of things to be prepared, and fire trucks should have been stationed throughout the palisades rather than mobilizing them once the fire started. but in terms of rebuilding, i believe a lot has to happen. at the same time, what i'm telling everybody i talk to is we got to bend the curve. if you think it's a five year process, let's get it down to two years. we got to get the cleaning started quickly, remove all the toxic ash. we've got to rebuild infrastructure around the power lines, underground the power lines, rebuild new water mains. make sure the fire hydrant systems are best practices in today's world. and at the same time, we've got to cut the red tape so people can get back in their homes. i mean, we've got people that have lost their jobs, lost their homes. we've got a community that's devastated. and this is not the time for politics. this is the time for the city, the state and the federal government to come together. no politics because the problems are too big. i'm a

firm believer all of that can happen on parallel tracks, and we got to make sure we're funding the fire department. so this doesn't happen again, because clearly the budget cuts were a problem. and i'm proud to announce with you, katie, that my wife and i did a challenge grant of raising $20 million for the firefighters for their foundation to buy equipment. and as of yesterday, they hit the $20 million mark. so we raised $20 million from generous angelenos that are going to go straight to the fire department for equipment. and i just want to thank everybody in los angeles that was so generous to do that. it's going to make a remarkable difference. to prevent this from happening again. >> let me ask you about prevention then and what you did. you're getting some heat for hiring private fire crews to protect the business and the palisades and this area that was well protected. i mean, it survived when everything else around it burned, including the

historic buildings across the street. but also, you know, and i grew up in emery, which is just behind this. sure. all of those homes out there, which, you know, there are people who've lived there for generations. the palisades has a reputation for being very wealthy. that's not necessarily where the wealth was concentrated. a lot of folks there can't necessarily rebuild and might be susceptible to somebody coming in and say, hey, let me buy your plot of land. and the question i get from them to you is, why didn't you turn those fire trucks and those hoses onto those houses behind everything you say you built well and you used new materials, and that's part of the reason why those those offices and those businesses survived. why not take all of the resources that you have to get a private fire company to help those in the community who don't have that sort of money? >> well, and we were doing that, katie, to the homes around us, we were trying to save everything around us. and you have to understand, by us having private firefighters and using

the retardant building with the right materials, we had no combustible materials on those buildings. we actually freed up resources of la fire department to mobilize in the residential areas. they weren't dependent. we weren't dependent on them. so it was a win win. i wish we could have done more in the surrounding area. we tried to once we lost water, everybody now was helpless. i mean, we literally had firemen that i talked to that were using blankets to try to put out fires on people's homes. it was tragic seeing it in real time. and i had a team up there embedded in there. well, we also did by using private is we saved thousands of jobs, the businesses in our village are going to reopen and people will have their jobs. we saved eight homes. there's eight families that lived in that village. so we're also going to be a beacon of hope as we reopen. we want to be a symbol that the palisades is going to be coming back, a place where the community can

gather while they're rebuilding their homes. i would do the same thing again. i wish we had more resources, and i know our team is now looking at it again. if we had to do it again, probably bring in an even more so we could have done more for the surrounding area. but boy, we tried. and one last. >> question to you because because we're running out of time here, and i appreciate the money that you've raised for the fire department. have you talked to any city officials about how you can get involved to help cut the red tape to help expedite this? help use your connections and all of your resources to move things along faster. >> i have, and they know i'm at their disposal, our company is at their disposal, and we're going to work alongside the city and the state and the federal government to do anything we can. the number one goal is to get this neighborhood rebuilt. >> i, i sincerely agree with that. it's a it's a wonderful place. and i know everybody really wants to get home. yeah. and altadena as well rick caruso, thank you so much for joining us. i appreciate your time, sir. >> thank you very much, katie.

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how's it look down there? >> so far, so good. katie. it's relatively quiet in gaza. >> we're seeing badly needed humanitarian aid getting into. >> the strip. those first three hostages. >> came. >> out on sunday. >> we're expecting four. >> more. >> to come out on saturday. the irony, katie, is that while it is. >> quiet in. >> gaza. >> it is anything but. >> in the occupied. >> west bank. less than 24 hours after the cease fire went into effect in gaza, prime minister benjamin netanyahu ordering israeli forces into the city. of jenin in the northern west bank. he says they are there to root out terrorists. palestinian human rights groups say. >> a number. >> of civilians have been killed in that operation so far, and we are also seeing violence in the occupied west bank committed by israeli settlers. they went on something of a rampage monday night, setting fire to palestinian homes. and that is just hours after president trump lifted sanctions on extremist settlers imposed by the biden administration. katie. >> ralph sanchez in tel aviv. ralph, thank you very much. and

one more thing. before we go, i want to show you a moment from the senate floor. senator chris murphy, talking about his desire for a debate around cia director nominee john ratcliffe. >> i hear. republicans claiming that my decision to. ask for. one day. of debate on a controversial nominee to. >> lead the. >> cia somehow compromises our national security. so let me say this. spare me. two days ago. president donald trump pardoned. >> 1500 rioters, including the. >> most violent rioters. who stormed. >> this. >> building four years ago. >> brutally beat law. >> enforcement over. >> the head. >> with poles. >> tried to crush. >> the heads. >> of capitol police officers. >> walked around. >> here with. >> zip ties. >> looking to do god knows what. >> to any. >> democratic congressmen. >> or senators they found. >> they assembled a.

>> gallows and a noose outside. >> the. >> capitol to chants of hang mike pence. all my republican colleagues were here when a. >> capitol police officer. >> burst through that door to rush. >> us to safety before. >> the mob. attacked us, and republicans. >> all of a sudden. claim that. >> law and order is a priority, and we have to rush. through nominees. and yet. they stand. >> by a president who just threw. >> law and. >> order out. >> the window. by pardoning not. some of the rioters, but all of them. political violence in. >> this country. >> just became mainstream. it is now. >> a fact. >> of life in america. if you commit. >> an act of horrific. >> violence in the name of the president of. >> the united. >> states, that president will make sure that. >> you get away. >> with it. that is fundamentally. >> un-american. >> and it makes this country less safe.