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so i think he gets it. i think he's kind of trolling all of us in a in a fun way. so i love it, you know? and i think he gets it. so it was it honestly it was like the perfect button for this film. having that we create the mythology of donald fagen. and then of course he tears it all down at the end. yeah. >> so perfect. perfect for it. all right. yacht rock documentary documentary is streaming now on max mika. and i saw it. absolutely loved it. director garret price, thank you so much. and that does it for us this morning. ana cabrera picks up the coverage right now. >> right now on ana cabrera reports. >> u.s. troops. >> deployed to the southern border as immigration enforcement power is expanding across several federal agencies. we're live in texas and at the white house. plus, president trump defends pardoning january 6th rioters who attacked police
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as the newly freed oath keepers founder visits capitol hill. also ahead, senators raise new questions about the vetting of trump's defense pick, with pete hegseth nomination facing a key test today in washington. and later, a new fire explodes near los angeles. we're on the ground amid new danger and new evacuation. hello, and thanks for joining us. it's ten eastern, 7 a.m. pacific. i'm ana cabrera, reporting from new york. and we begin with president trump's aggressive new actions on immigration while the mass deportation operation he promised to carry out on day one has yet to materialize, he has begun laying the groundwork. the administration confirms president trump has expanded deportation powers to several agencies, meaning ice will not be the only agency carrying out deportations. the pentagon's role is also taking shape. trump
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has deployed roughly 1500 military personnel to the southern border. let's bring in nbc news senior white house correspondent kelly o'donnell, nbc's priscilla thompson from el paso, texas, and nbc's julia ainsley from our washington newsroom. kelly, what more do we know about trump expanding deportation authority to agencies beyond just ice? what is striking about this is that this is a sweeping change to the kind of roles that these federal law enforcement officers would play. for example, if you had a dea agent, they might be involved in an immigration case. if there was a component of drugs to it or an atf agent that might be involved. if there are guns associated with it. this is trying to use these federal officers in a broader way to engage them on immigration cases and to give them the authority to assist in deportation. part of the thinking, historically, has been that often these officers from different agencies
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need to have an ability to work in communities and to engage with the people on the ground who might be able to help them with their investigations. and so the issue of immigration status could sometimes get in the way of that, in the pursuit of other kinds of law enforcement endeavors. with this, anyone with a badge at the federal level could be seen as potentially an arm of the immigration deportation that donald trump, president trump wants to engage in. so it gives powers broader than we have seen in practice. it may present some challenges or differences in how these officers would deal on the ground with individuals in the pursuit of their other cases. and it also means that this is a serious example, in a practical way, of what we've heard donald trump talk about for quite a long time about his aim to have significant deportations, finding resources that already
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exist, and giving them new roles to participate in it. ana priscilla, you are near the border. what is the scene there today, and what exactly will these 1500 additional troops be doing there at the border? >> yeah, ana, right. >> now it appears business as usual here. we've got the bridge. >> behind us that actually connects el paso to juarez. >> you've got a border. >> patrol processing center right here. and already this morning, we have seen some of those large busses that are deployed to areas, typically where there are a large amount of migrants who have been detained. and then they are brought to these processing areas. so it appears business as usual right now. but of course, that could change in the coming days as we begin to see what exactly this deployment of some 1500 troops is going to look like. they're expected to be deployed both here in el paso and also in san diego. and we're told by officials that this is not going to be for enforcement, but for detection and monitoring. and so defense officials have said that they
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will be building border barriers and also potentially assisting with flights, removing thousands of migrants. and so already overnight, we heard from the mayor of el paso responding to all of this, saying that he is committed to continuing to ensure that this is a safe and welcoming environment. but he also emphasized the economic impact this could have, because every day there are people who travel back and forth along this bridge from the u.s. to mexico doing business. there's a lot of cross trade, cross international trade that happens here. and so he emphasized his desire to protect that. but i will also say that on the mexican side in juarez, we've also seen officials there starting to build massive shelters in anticipation of a potential influx of returnees. >> ana and i just want to remind everybody that border crossings have been down in the last several months, in fact, lower during the final months of the biden administration than they were during the final months of the first trump administration.
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and that, of course, was during a global pandemic slowdown. meantime, julia, today is the first court hearing in one of several lawsuits challenging trump's order to overturn birthright citizenship, which is enshrined in the constitution. so walk us through the expectations for today's arguments. >> well, and. >> ana, first, i want to get. >> to. >> a little border news. >> before i do. we are learning. >> that the new. >> chief of the border patrol. >> mike banks, who served as greg abbott's border czar, was in charge of putting up those controversial buoys along the rio grande that were challenged in lawsuits by the biden administration because they said that it increased the risk of drowning. banks is now directed border patrol to explore expanding the use of those buoys in water borders. any place of water, specifically the rio grande, touches u.s. territory. so something to watch in the weeks and months to come. now onto what's happening today in portland. we will see the first hearing over a request for an emergency. stay on trump's executive order to end
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birthright citizenship. the arguments we can expect to hear. we've heard this from many of the states and from the organizations that are representing pregnant women. they say that this is enshrined in the constitution, and that to change it would require a constitutional amendment. it's as simple as that. the trump administration is going to be zeroing in on the word jurisdiction. there's this part of the 14th amendment that says that if someone is not part of the united states and seen as being in the jurisdiction of the united states, they're an exception. that same exception applies to the children of diplomats who are born here, because they are not subject to the jurisdiction of the united states when they're here. so the trump administration is trying to argue that children born to mothers who were either unlawfully here or lawfully here, but temporarily should not be u.s. citizens unless the fathers are here as u.s. citizens or on a permanent status. the fact that they get into the temporary versus permanent status. when i've spoken to some people arguing this, they think that might actually help them, because the
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trump administration went further here than they expected, because that would even mean that if a mother is here legally on a work visa, that child born here would not be an american citizen. so these are arguments we can expect to hear today. >> okay. keep us posted as i know you will. thank you so much. kelly o'donnell, priscilla thompson and julia ainsley. and joining us now is former new york city mayor bill de blasio. mayor, good to have you here. lots of moving parts, obviously, on this issue of immigration, when you look at the build up, the ramp up to these mass deportations, how should democratic, local, state, federal leaders meet this moment? >> ana, i. >> think we got to remember. >> the. >> constitution is still fully in effect. and that. >> means that states. >> and localities have a lot of power in this equation. i think. i think there's been so much angst. >> over the. >> trump administration coming in in certain quarters. obviously, among democrats. there's almost been a little amnesia. >> about what we saw in the previous four years. >> i spent four years as mayor of new york city, often having to challenge donald trump. we
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went to court many times. we actually won on a regular basis. we had the independent power as a locality to govern our own affairs. >> and this. >> is a profoundly american reality. the founders created a country where a lot of the power devolved down to states and localities. they did not want a national government that controlled everything. >> so. >> for example, if you have a city like new york that says, we're not going to ask documentation status in our schools, hospitals or with our police force talking to people out in the streets, they're not going to ask documentation status, because that's how we actually keep people safe. talk to nypd leaders and they'll tell you once you start asking people documentation status, no one is going to talk to you if they happen to have an undocumented status. and that means you can't protect the community. >> and that's the reason for sanctuary city policies. for example, when you were mayor during the first trump administration, you mentioned opposing some of these controversial moves, like the muslim travel ban, for example. but what do you tell? or what
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should democrats do who are now facing threat of arrest or even prosecution for impeding enforcement of these new immigration policies? >> look, i think we have to have faith. that our system continues to function. i, i saw the bluster of some of those executive orders the other day, some of which are clearly unconstitutional. i'm not belittling the fact that the president will get some of the things done that he wants, but in the end, the court system will decide a lot of this. if the track record of the last four years when he was president is any indication, he's going to lose a fair amount of time. he's clearly going to lose on birthright citizenship, in my view. so states and localities saying, hey, guess what? we are given the power by the constitution to govern our own folks, and we're making decisions about public safety. this is something i think needs to be talked about more. not asking documentation status is actually how you protect public safety. now look, if someone commits a crime, god forbid an undocumented person commits a crime. there's due process. they're guilty. they should be out of here. that's what new
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york city law says. i think americans believe in due process. that's another point here. i think trump often likes to leave out that step and say, if you're accused, therefore you're guilty. well, that goes against american values. for 250 years, we've always believed in due process. i think we have to go back to the fact that he was vulnerable many times in his first term. he's going to be vulnerable again in the court system and in the court of public opinion. >> well, speaking of the court of public opinion, he ran on these hard line immigration policies. he won. and there is recent polling that shows the majority of americans agree with some of the broader overall approach to this, like the deportation issue specifically. now, on some of the certain aspects of immigration may be unpopular, like ice being able to carry out deportations at churches or schools or hospitals. there is disapproval on that one. you'll recall, during the first trump term, there was public backlash for some of the more extreme immigration policies, family separations. but what if that
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public backlash doesn't materialize this time? then what do democrats do? >> i think it did materialize for organic reasons. so i hear your question, but i want to note that, for example, the unaccompanied minors and i went to tornillo, texas, and saw one of those detention facilities for those kids. americans were outraged. it doesn't fit our values to see families separated under any circumstance. americans believe in due process. americans do not like the notion of the knock at the door and government authorities taking people away. so i think what's happened is the frustration that people felt about their economic reality, or the frustration they felt about the disorder at the border, which was real. that was honest frustration. that's going to be quickly replaced, i believe, by people saying, wait a minute, we never signed up for actual mass deportation and something that looks like a police state. that's just not american. americans have a very strong libertarian streak left, right, center. so i think what's happening is in the first days, it sounds great, we're going to get rid of folks who committed crimes, who wouldn't want to get
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rid of someone who actually committed a crime, of course, but it's going to devolve into something much more tangled, and that will push a lot of buttons and make people feel more and more uncomfortable. last time, trump did not hear that at all. when people started to object, including folks who even agreed with him in some ways. but they thought it was inhumane. they thought it was anti-family values. when faith leaders started to object, he had a ten year for all of that. it's only going to be worse this time. >> it seems there is somewhat a rift within the democratic party that is starting to materialize. on the issue of immigration. just for example, what we're seeing here in new york city with the current mayor, mayor adams, who is saying he's ready to work with trump on enforcing these immigration policies. he's now opposing new york's sanctuary city laws. this is a 180 from when you were in office. what do you make of it? >> look, i don't happen to agree with what he's saying, but i also think people in this city are not going to accept mass
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deportation. so it's one thing to say, oh, we'll work with the new president because he was elected duly. >> do you think it's personal, though, for mayor adams because of his situation facing criminal prosecution? he's trying to get on the good side of the president. >> i think the simplest answer i can offer you is yes. >> okay. thank you. thank you. >> bill. >> de blasio. the truth can be simple. sometimes it's so rare. >> we get a yes or no answer to a yes. >> no question. >> appreciate you coming on. thank you. good to have you here. well, despite new allegations that have arisen against pete hegseth, his nomination for defense secretary is still on course for a key procedural vote today. we'll speak with senator jacky rosen, who grilled hegseth at his confirmation hearing next. plus, trump defends his january 6th pardons as one freed oath keeper appears in, of all places on capitol hill. also prices to balk at. i bet you've noticed
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and, you know, these. allegations follow this pattern. >> i'm interested in anything. >> until the. >> final vote. >> i voted on the motion. >> to proceed last. >> night, but i've. >> made it very clear to the administration. >> my. >> colleagues, that i treat every one of these pieces of. >> information. >> with respect. >> senators with a wide range of reactions there to new allegations made against pete hegseth, trump's nominee for defense secretary. both members on each side of the aisle are raising new questions about the vetting process, because some allegations that have emerged as part of this background check were not disclosed by the trump transition team to the two top senators on the committee, considering his nomination instead. those allegations come from an affidavit seth's former sister in law submitted to senators after a request for information from democratic senator jack reed. the affidavit says pete hegseth made his second wife, samantha, fear, for her safety when they were married, that she once hid in a
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closet from hegseth and developed an escape plan for use. quote, if she felt she needed to get away. seth's attorney has denied all these allegations. in the affidavit and in response to a previous request for comment from nbc news, samantha hegseth says there was no physical abuse in my marriage. nbc's julie sirkin joins us now from capitol hill. julie, you're reporting at least 20 senators have now seen the unredacted affidavit with these new allegations. walk us through your exclusive reporting. >> yeah. anna and i just want to say. >> in terms of samantha. >> hogsett's statement to us, that there was no physical abuse in the marriage. there is no mention of physical abuse in this affidavit. i have now viewed the redacted copy. we have also have two sources who recounted the details of the unredacted portion to us. we have that reporting overnight. i want to read you part of it. she is danielle hicks that says, as i told the fbi, samantha once told me that hegseth grabbed her groin without consent at their
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home. samantha told me about this sometime during the years between 2014 and 2016, she says, i believe what samantha told me, because what she told me is consistent with what i personally observed of hicks erratic and aggressive behavior over many years. she does note that she didn't personally witness any physical or sexual abuse, but this does raise new questions as to why this interview with the fbi that danielle says she had, and many others were not relayed to the top senators on that committee by multiple briefings that we now know the trump transition team provided to them as recently as last night. while hicks confirmation process is continuing to move forward on it. >> and julie, we showed some clips of your interviews with these different senators, including senator collins, senator tillis, both republicans who don't seem so certain where their vote is going to land. has this new information changed any senators minds that you know of? >> i will tell you that the senators who were already in the yes column probably aren't going to get swayed by this, especially because they have samantha's denial of those physical abuse allegations, and
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also, of course, that she signed, along with pete hegseth, a document when they got divorced, a child custody document that said that neither parent was a victim of domestic abuse. but i will tell you that there are a handful of republican senators, including thom tillis, including susan collins, and some others who are definitely concerned won by this process. now, they don't sit on the armed services committee, so they're a little bit late to this. but also because of these allegations, they've heard from other whistleblowers. in the case of tillis, he also told me yesterday that some of these details are similar to the interesting accounts he said he's been hearing, and he wants to see if he can corroborate them. all that said, though, in a couple of hours they're going to take the next vote procedurally to move forward on confirmation. and unless four republicans vote with democrats to block him, if all democrats vote against him, he's going to go through tomorrow on it. >> julie sirkin, thank you for that reporting. and joining us now is democratic senator jacky rosen from nevada, a member of the senate armed services and homeland security committees. senator, thanks for taking the
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time. i know you have seen this unredacted version of the affidavit. what's your reaction to it? >> well, i can tell you that pete hegseth is probably one of the most uniquely unqualified nominees we have ever seen. come before us for the department of defense. i can tell you that i have seen the unredacted version. i have seen all of the data that was available to us on the armed services committee, and it is disturbing. it is a disturbing trend towards abuse of women. even his own mother talks about his mistreatment of women. there's a lot more than just physical abuse. it goes into abuse. i can tell you. anyone who tells their friends or their relatives that they need to hide in a closet and have a safe word to get out. that's showing a pattern of something that probably isn't so good, so nice, or so normal. and the person who leads the department of defense. i just want to remind everyone what this job is. it is this job that this person has to keep all of
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america safe. every single one of us you, me, everyone listening and everyone here. how do they do that? they take care of our men and women and their families in uniform, deployed around the world. the three plus million people who work at the department of defense. they stand up and they work with our allies and partners, and they need to be respected by not only america, but by our adversaries. and if you think that vladimir putin or anyone else isn't watching this circus of pete hegseth and laughing about how we're putting up someone so uniquely unqualified by their disposition and their experience, you have another thing coming. i'm sure they're just they're just waiting for their opening to come after us. >> so you heard senator joni ernst just a moment ago. she appears unmoved by these new allegations. others, like senator susan collins, have voiced more hesitation about seth's nomination. what do you make of what you're hearing from
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your republican colleagues? >> well, i think they all have to look in the mirror and think about what's important. think about our job. we give the american people this is a person's job interview. this is their resume. and the resume for this job is to keep all of america safe. and our men and women who are deployed keep them safe. and i can tell you also this goes into recruitment. who's going to join the military? if someone's not going to take care of you, worry about you. he's disparaged veterans and people getting veterans benefits. i can tell you that i've had a contact after contact with veterans who are so grateful. i talked to him about that, because it matters when you're serving that, you know, whatever sacrifice you or your family make, you're going to be taken care of when you come home. and so we deserve the american people deserve a serious, qualified person. there are folks out there that can do this job and be respected by our country and by our adversaries. pete hegseth is clearly not one
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of them. >> at the end of the day, though, do you think hegseth has enough votes to get confirmed? >> well, i guess we're just going to have to wait and see. as you've reported, there are some republicans who will do some of their own research, will go to the armed services committee, read some of the reports that are available to all of us in a closed setting, and make the decision that is right for, i would say, not just them, but when they think about the military and when they think about the families back home and what we're protecting, they need to look in the mirror and think about what's right for the american people. >> let's pivot to the ongoing controversy surrounding president trump's pardons for january 6th defendants. here's what he told fox news last night when he was pressed on why even the violent offenders got set free. >> it would be very, very cumbersome to go and look, you know, how many people are talking about 1500 people? almost all of them are should
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not have been there should not have happened. and the other thing is, is some of those people with the police. true. but they were very minor incidents, okay. they were very minor incidents. and it was time. >> senator, you were there at the capitol on january 6th. what's your reaction to that defense? >> well, first of all, it's shameful. donald trump has let violent criminals, hundreds of them out of jail and out of prison and back on the streets. and he says, because it's too cumbersome, it's a too cumbersome for those families who had to go to funerals because they lost their loved one because of what happened on january 6th. you tell that to officer sicknick's mother when she buried her son, when she buried, when they buried their family member, that was just too cumbersome to worry about. you tell the other officers who were tased, who were injured, who bear the physical scars and the emotional scars. what he did was shameful and wrong. it's not
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backing the police officers. they're sending these violent criminals out across our country. you've been reporting that they have vowed retribution on people. and so what he did, what what president trump did, even the fraternal order of police is not backing this up. he let loose cop killers. and i just. i don't even have the words to say. the shock wave that went through the capitol police here, all of whom who did everything they could, they do it again to protect the united states capitol. >> i mean, some of these who have been released, as you point out, were convicted, some to hag police officers that day. the oath keepers founder then was just spotted on capitol hill yesterday. there's been talk from some of the gop colleagues in the house of inviting pardoned rioters to the hill for
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tours. your response? >> i say shame on them. what are they thinking? they're going to invite violent insurrectionists here to our capitol. it's a it's an insult to the men and women who are part of our capitol police who protected this building. it's an insult to the men and women who come and work here every day trying to do the business of the capitol. it's an insult to our democracy, and shame on them. they know better. this is not about this is all about trump's revenge. well, it's going to be revenge on innocent people who don't deserve it. and it is shameful what they're doing. and i can tell you that it has really struck a lot of fear and ptsd in the hearts of the folks who work here, who live with this trauma every single day, but nonetheless still show up to work. >> senator jacky rosen, thank you very much for joining us. appreciate your time. >> thank you. >> we're following a once in a lifetime southern storm with
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fires stand this morning? >> yeah. >> ana. >> good morning to you. so the. >> effort has been valiant. >> overnight. >> and we are at a. command post where national guard guardsmen are posted. we're not sure where they're going, but. >> this shows. >> the amount of crews that have been pre-deployed to areas like this ready to respond if there is a need. so we saw nighttime air drops overnight and that really helped to snuff this fire out to where we're not seeing any big active flames or those huge plumes of smoke that we saw yesterday. and a lot of people, tens of thousands forced to evacuate yesterday, many of them on edge because of those deadly wildfires we experienced two weeks ago. and officials say they are so proud that people heeded those warnings. they did not stay behind because we did not know what this was going to turn into. as you mentioned, only 10,000 acres burned so far, 14% containment. that is considered a really good sign considering we're still under a red flag warning right now. the winds appear to be calm, but
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they could pick back up later today because this red flag warning does not end until tomorrow. and there's also a concern for the weekend because we are expected to get some much needed rain, which is exciting, but also could be scary because when you've got these burn scars in the areas like the eaton and altadena fires or the eaton and the palisades fire, you've got those burn scars that do not absorb water because of all the debris that is there. and that could pose a threat to communities. landslides, debris flows. that's why the mayor of los angeles has activated an emergency order to try to get a lot of that debris cleaned up ahead of those storms. ana. >> i really feel for all the first responders there and those firefighters who just haven't had any rest. dana griffin, thank you for bringing us the very latest. and from fires to frigid conditions impacting the south, states and the gulf coast are battling a once in a generation winter storm with almost ten inches of snow on the ground. this is in new orleans.
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and take a look at florida. here's the florida state university's baseball diamond. it's hardly visible there under that blanket of snow. and it's not done yet. the bitter cold is expected to stick around for the rest of the week. nbc's jorge solis joins us from new orleans. george, what are conditions like there on the roads this morning? >> hey, good morning, ana. good to be with you. yeah. this is something you don't see every day. check out all this ice here on iconic bourbon street. something else that's pretty unique. these little snow piles that the work crews here have been working on around the french quarter. that's just some scraping all of this ice to try and make some of these roads passable, which is why officials are still urging folks to stay inside until all of this melts. of course, we are starting to see some sunlight, which is good. that warms up. a lot of the snow and ice starts to melt, but then you have to worry about the refreeze. so again, officials just making sure that folks stay off the road so that they can continue cleaning all of this snow a once in a lifetime southern storm causing
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chaos across the region. in georgia, icy roads creating treacherous driving conditions and causing this 20 car pileup on a slick hill. another road so impassable many people abandoned their vehicles in alabama, an early start on planned demolition for the mobile civic center, as the entire roof came crashing down under the weight of the snow. canal and bourbon streets in new orleans, completely covered in ice. >> we're out here, you know. >> slipping and sliding. >> the city saw at least eight inches of snow, tripling its previous all time high more than 60 years ago. tens of thousands in georgia and florida are still without power. after the winter storm. also blamed for four deaths across multiple states. three major bridges in jacksonville, florida, closed due to multiple crashes and icy concerns, and hundreds of flights canceled and delayed across the region, causing long lines at atlanta's hartsfield jackson international airport.
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>> it's moving very slowly. it's like nothing i've ever seen before. >> while the new orleans airport looked like a ghost town, aerial views of new york city showing sheets of ice floating on the hudson river, while snow also blanketed the coastline of the carolinas. >> not supposed. >> to snow at the beach. >> out west, the same arctic air mass plunging temperatures into the negatives in wyoming frigid enough to freeze one woman's wet hair in just seconds while back in the south. many agree the cold has quickly worn out its welcome. how ready are you for this all to melt? >> i'm ready. we packed warmly. >> we just didn't know there'd. be eight. >> inches of snow. >> back out here. live on bourbon so you can see some of the business owners here are actually breaking some of the ice here on the sidewalks, hoping to attract more foot traffic here. as far as the travel outlook, overall, we're starting to see a lot more airports open up, but there's still a lot of delays and cancellations, so it's still likely to be a travel headache in the days ahead. anna.
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>> yeah, it really looks like that ice is thick. that guy is getting a workout this morning jorge solis thank you. up next doubling and tripling down. president trump is calling attacks on police during january 6th. minor incidents. mckinney argued with images like this and a far right extremist group leader just went back to the capitol for the first time since capitol for the first time since receiving prilosec knows, for a fire... one fire extinguisher beats 10 buckets of water, and for zero heartburn 1 prilosec a day... beats taking up to 10 antacids a day. it's that simple, for 24 hour heartburn relief... one beats ten. prilosec otc. to prescription medications. uniquely designed to suit your needs. we got. >> you get $30. >> off at. >> ro. covid de. >> natural has organic broccoli,
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new reporting about one of the police officers injured in the january 6th attack. let's get right to nbc news justice reporter ryan riley, who has that reporting. also with us, former republican congressman from florida, david jolly. ryan, bring us what you got. >> yeah. so officer mike fanone just called me a little while ago and told me that he got off the phone with some folks at the justice department, the victims advocates, who he had been working with for years. you know, these are people that he had seen in the courthouse for,
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you know, six hearings that he's been to overall, the last one of which happened on friday for one of the individuals who assaulted him on january 6th. what he was told in that call is that under the current view of the justice department, he is no longer a victim. and, you know, there is a reason that under the law, he is not really considered a victim under their current approach to this. but it did. you know, it's hard to shake off the sound. you know, the echoes of george orwell when you're having someone who's being told, despite being assaulted over and over and over and over and over and over again, having a stun gun driven into his neck that under the eyes of the justice department, he is no longer a victim. >> and congressman, president trump is standing by his pardons. even for those who were convicted of assaulting police officers. here's more of his interview. just yesterday on fox. >> they were treated like the worst criminals in history. and you know what they were there for? they were protesting the vote because they knew the election was rigged and they were protesting the vote, and
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that you should be allowed to protest a vote. you should be allowed to, you know, the day when the day comes, you shouldn't be able to invade the capitol. >> your reaction when you hear the president of the united states downplay violence against police officers. >> it's a. >> dangerous mix of vanity. >> and ignorance. >> wrapped in some real values. >> that are. >> antithetical to the american. >> justice system. but we. >> know why he did it, and it is because donald trump is trying to retell the story of january 6th in a way that that relieves him of any culpability and relieves the 1500 people he pardoned or commuted their sentences of culpability as well. but i think, as the senator was referring to, you can't rewrite the images we all saw. this was not a protest of the election. this was a violent disruption of an official senate proceeding that included the beating of police officers. and those are the people that donald trump ultimately gave relief to. i would say this goes beyond donald trump, though, because he is supported by a republican
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party that chose to return him to power. we have seen members of the senate and the house try to equivocate, equivocate this, or compare it to biden's pardons, of which there is no comparison of this. and i would also say the large police unions that endorsed donald trump's reelection should have known he was going to do this. he said he was going to do this. they created this moment that allowed donald trump to provide these pardons, provide this relief. it was wrong. i think millions of americans are unsafe now by donald trump's decision. millions of americans probably see this as un-american. what donald trump did. >> i did speak with some folks who were at the capital one arena event on inauguration day who were open to him issuing blanket pardons, but but did not believe people who committed violence that day should receive them. and one of the people who were convicted and one of the big controversies are people like oath keepers founder stewart rhodes, who is now out of jail. he just paid a visit to
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the capitol on the day after he was released from prison. so ryan remind us of his role in the attack? >> yeah, once again, it feels like the writers room is doing too much yet again. but you know, here you have stewart rhodes, who is convicted of seditious conspiracy back at the capitol. he was at the capitol on january 6th. he was outside, you know, he was there filming this mob. he was on the west west terrace. he arrived as the after the first breach. but when they were still breaching, then, of course, they went over to the east side of the capitol and then oath, the oath keepers formed a stack formation, went inside the building. and now what stewart rhodes maintained on on the stand when he when he testified. and the stories he's telling now is that he thought that it was stupid that they went inside the capitol, that it really, you know, gave prosecutors a way to go after them. but he maintains that they went that they went after him, you know, for political reasons. and then afterwards he talked about how he wanted to hang nancy pelosi from a lamppost. you know, his explanation for
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that now that he's out of prison was that he was, you know, drunk and sort of ranting. and he wishes he didn't say that. but he also talked about bringing guns back to the or that they should have brought guns during the january 6th attack. and remember, before january 6th itself, stewart rhodes was desperately trying to get in touch with donald trump, and he was about one step removed. this wasn't a 6 degrees of separation thing. this was he knew people who knew people. he was trying to get kelly sorrell, who was actually a volunteer for lawyers for trump, who was helping them in detroit, who was actually working with the trump campaign back in 2020 to in detroit, basically, because that's where they thought all the fraud was happening. and she was someone who was then on the grounds of the capitol alongside with stewart rhodes. and she told me a couple of years ago that stewart was asking her for all of her contacts at the white house, because she actually had been in touch with some of the white house. so the degrees of separation here, it's just really just one step removed. and now you have this, this spectacle of stewart rhodes back at the capitol once again. >> so, congressman, what is it like for you who served in the
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house at one point to see somebody like stewart rhodes there? now. >> look, culturally and within the country, we have some very dark movements, the proud boys and the oath keepers are far right organizations that ultimately would like to take down our own government. they are dangerous and they will remain dangerous. and i think that is what is so unsettling about the pardons is donald trump did this almost out of vengeance. this is not just about the 70 year old grandmother who got caught up in going into the capitol, and maybe she acknowledges her wrongdoing and mercy is due. this is not the case. many of these people got out and said, where are we going now? where's the next fight? i'm going to buy a gun. and for donald trump, i mean, he just unleashed his own army hernd i think one of the great ironies is just in this immigration bill, the senate and the house passed, they actually added a provision that said, if you're an undocumented immigrant who assaults a cop, you go, you go away, you go to prison, or you get deported immediately. but what donald trump says is if you assault a cop in my name and in
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a spirit of white nationalism, i'll pardon you. you get out of jail. >> you think that's the message he just sent? >> yeah, absolutely. >> well, thank you so much, congressman david jolly. thank you, ryan riley, appreciate your reporting. and ryan's book on january 6th is sedition hunters. and you have deep, deep reporting. ryan, we always value you bringing us the latest in just a matter of minutes, president trump is expected to address economic leaders in davos amid his looming threat of tariffs ahead. the banking power player who is saying, quote, get over it. plus, trump has waffled on bringing down prices before. can he hatch a plan to bring down the cost of eggs? >> no matter. why you. >> started your. >> business, your. goal is to keep on growing. and with the help of financing from capetus, you can meet all of your business goals. because at
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davos, with world leaders raising concerns about trump's tariff threats. while at least one business exec, jp morgan chase ceo jamie dimon, is changing his tune on those threats after previously warning about the dangers of tariffs, he now says get over it. >> if it's a little inflationary, but it's good for. national security, so be it. >> i mean. >> get over it, okay. >> nbc news senior business correspondent christine romans joins us now with more. >> that's a vintage jamie. >> is that right? i mean, is he expressing a sentiment that is kind of, i guess, across the board with the international business community? >> look, for the. >> us business leaders. they know donald trump is the president. they know half the country voted for him. and they know that he is very, very clear about his plans for tariffs and other policies that maybe they don't like, but they're going to have to figure out how to manage around. and so that's what jamie dimon is saying. this is happening. this is coming. we've got to figure out how to do the best we can for our customers and for our employees in this
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environment. >> in the campaign, president trump really pushed hard and drove home a message that he would be the person to bring down everyday american prices. yet you look at what's happening at the grocery store. egg prices are up 38%. what's going on there? and can trump do anything about it? >> well. >> so the interesting thing about the egg problem is that this is two years in the making. this is a bird flu problem. so this is an animal health issue. and we haven't heard the president say a lot about it other than prices are too high. it's joe biden's fault. i'm going to lower prices. he has promised to lower prices for groceries on the campaign trail. he did. he had promised to cut gas prices in half. that will be very difficult. gas prices actually have been rising in the past few days. we haven't heard specifics on what he would do about the bird flu, but we do know that people are very concerned about these touchstones of higher prices that are still persisting into this administration, like eggs, like gasoline, like other grocery bills. >> is anything going down? >> you know, is anything going
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down? that is a very good question. there are some things that aren't going up as quickly. inflation at 2.9% is still much higher than it was when trump was president the first time. and he has vowed to get inflation down. but the economy is so strong. you know the fed and inflation is still too high. the fed is unlikely to be lowering interest rates aggressively in the near term. so there's a lot of levers here that will be interesting to see how they play out. you know, presidents get too much credit and too much blame for the economy. but this president has made some very big promises again and again on moving quickly to lower prices, including all these executive orders that we'll see how quickly they can they can be implemented. >> and you and i will both be watching what he has to say. coming up here at the top of the hour at the davos forum. thank you, christine romans. up next, the nominees are in. hours before the sun rose this morning, hollywood was up in full force for the oscar nominations. saturday night live's bowen yang and actress
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rachel sennott announced the short list of hopefuls before the big night in march. and nbc entertainment correspondent is here now to break it all down for us. chloe, walk us through the picks. >> hey there anna. >> well, first let's talk about amelia perez. this netflix movie is leading the way with the most nominations. 13. and this is setting a record. >> for the. >> to record for a non-english. >> language film. >> that surpasses. >> the previous. >> record holders. >> like crouching. >> tiger. >> hidden dragon and roma. >> and karla sofia gascon, who stars in this film. she is the first. trans actor. >> nominated for. >> an oscar. >> so this. >> is. >> a very big moment. now i want. >> to. move over to the brutalist. >> and wicked, which tied. >> with ten nominations. >> this is a. >> movie that people. >> have their eyes on. it's over. >> three hours long. >> it even has a 15 minute intermission. you have to see this movie in theaters right now. it was directed by. >> brady corbet. >> who is nominated for best director. he won best director at. >> the golden globes.
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>> and adrien brody, who stars in the film alongside felicity jones, nominated for oscars as well. i do want to talk about snubs because of course there wouldn't be the oscars without without mentioning those. angelina jolie, which was she was hailed for her performance in maria. she played maria callas, the famous greek opera singer. she was not nominated this morning, which was surprising for many. also, edward berger. he directed conclave. this movie conclave, about the search for the new pope, starring ralph fiennes and stanley tucci. edward berger not nominated, but the film is nominated for best picture, so don't count it out for potentially winning best picture. you don't have to have a director nomination for that to happen. i also just want to talk about the fact, ana, is that these wildfires that have just ravaged los angeles and it delayed these nominations that finally happened today. that is going to be the backdrop for the academy awards in march. you're going to be hearing a lot about that, and probably how stars are
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trying to urge people to continue to give back. and they talked about that this morning when they made these nominations. >> all right, glenn, thanks for breaking it down. it's always fun to see which ones go highest when it comes to my movie list. and if you. >> have three hours and 45 minutes, go see the brutalist. yeah. okay. thank you so. >> much, chloe. and much more coming up in our next hour. just moments we expect to hear president trump address major economic players gathered in davos. also ahead, i'll talk to texas congressman joaquin castro about president trump's about president trump's immigration crackdown. stay ♪♪ amazing. jerry, you've got to see this. i've seen it. trust me, after 15 walks, it gets a little old. ugh. stop waiting. start investing. e*trade ® from morgan stanley.
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