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antonio. how what seemed like a routine call for help turned into something so violent. our nbc news reporters are following all of the latest developments. we begin with that vote on defense secretary nominee pete hegseth happening on the capitol hill any minute now. so, julie, we've been listening to speeches on the senate floor about this nomination. what are we hearing? >> well, we've been hearing that mainly from the top two lawmakers on the senate armed services committee that have become become kind of the center point of this because senator reid, who is the top democrat on that panel, is in a wildly different space than senator roger wicker is. they've contradicted each other in terms of the allegations outlined in that affidavit submitted under oath by danielle hegseth, the sister in law, the sister in law of pete and samantha hegseth. and what i thought was so interesting is that in the last hour, reid actually went on the floor and read the allegations out loud, including going further than those that we have even reported, saying that hegseth was drunk in uniform,
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saying some of the other allegations that we have reported, but enters inserting them into the record in that way. you heard on the other side, wicker defending hegseth, continuing to say that he will get the votes to pass even with senator murkowski's know. take a listen to a little bit about of that back and forth, and we'll talk about it on the other side. >> mr. hegseth, if. >> confirmed. will not improve. >> our military. but. destabilize it and. weaken the institution. >> his experience in the line of fire and his service member advocacy make at least one thing clear. pete hegseth will put the men and women of our military first. >> now, we have not yet heard from some of the other republicans that i am aware of that are teetering on hexum's nomination even before these allegations came to light. chris, i think it's important to point this out. there were concerns about his abuse of alcohol. there were concerns about some of those allegations that he had denied, including
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that alleged sexual assault in california. there were concerns that he had toxic workplace behavior, that he mismanaged the veterans organizations that he led. and so now with these allegations, this is what ultimately had led murkowski to say that the significant concerns are so great that she cannot overlook them, and she regrets to say that she will be a no. i think with some of these other republicans, they're holding their cards close to their vest, even some of those that could vote in the next few minutes to move forward on this nomination could ultimately vote no on the floor tomorrow night. roger wicker in the last few minutes, by the way, telling my colleagues on this team that he still believes with murkowski. no, hegseth will have the votes. and remember, republicans need at least four to vote with democrats to block his nomination tomorrow. >> julie, thank you for that. now, to the trump administration's decision to bolster the southern border. nbc's priscilla thompson is in el paso, texas. what's happening there? >> yeah, chris, it's been fairly quiet here this morning, but things could begin to start looking a little differently in the coming days and weeks with
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this announcement by the trump administration that they plan or have ordered those 1500 troops to be sent here and also to san diego, and officials saying that they are not going to be focused on immigration enforcement, but rather on detection and monitoring. and that could look like helping to build barriers and also assisting with some of those mass deportation flights for thousands of migrants who are here. and we've been speaking to folks in this community. today, we spoke to a woman who both of her parents, a college student. both of her parents are immigrants, one from cuba, one from mexico. she's afro-latino, and she talked about the fear that this has led her to feel. take a listen. >> it's terrifying. >> i mean. >> i get scared because of my parents. are immigrants and. >> i don't want to be constantly like, be on the. >> watch out, have to be scared what's. >> going to happen? >> like, i just want to live. >> a. >> carefree life. >> and so we're hearing those concerns from people, but also concerns about the economy. we are standing in front of this
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bridge that people travel back and forth from here to juarez every day during international trade and those types of things doing business. and so we heard the mayor of el paso overnight, emphasizing that he wants this to continue to be a safe and welcoming environment to folks, and also really underscoring that economic impact that this could have here. and we also know that on the other side in juarez, they are right now building these massive migrant shelters that are expected to be available by the end of the day today, in case they do begin to receive an influx of folks back into mexico. chris. >> priscilla thompson, thank you. now to the battle over the constitutionality of louisiana's controversial ten commandments law. nbc's marissa parra is covering this story for us. walk us through the law and why it's back in court now. >> hey, chris. >> so oral arguments today were about 45 minutes. >> and we heard from. >> the. >> judge say. >> in. >> part one of the judges. >> say, this is going to have to
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move quickly in terms. >> of a decision. >> because. there is some confusion in louisiana classrooms. >> right now. >> and i'll explain that in just a moment. >> but in. >> terms of what we. >> heard this. >> morning, attorneys against the implementation of. >> the law argue, in part that this. >> is unconstitutional. remember that legal challenge posed and filed by. >> civil rights groups. >> the aclu, on behalf. >> of families from an array of religions who say that this infringes on their rights, their children's rights. now, defenders of the implementation of the law, including louisiana's attorney general herself, say in part this morning that this lawsuit doesn't even have legal standing to begin with because these posters with the ten commandments on them at this moment are completely hypothetical. and remember, in terms of that confusion, this was signed by republican governor landry last year, last summer. and then there was a lower court order to pass this in november. but there was some confusion because this was supposed to go into effect at the start of this year when students went back to their classrooms. but because of that lower court order, there's a lot of classrooms right now in
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louisiana that feel like they're caught in the middle. they're not sure what they're going to face more punishment for posting the posters or not doing so. the attorney general saying that this only applies to five school districts in the state. and so she had just put out statements, guidance rather recently, giving guidance to classrooms, encouraging them to still post these. so a lot to be addressed with this decision that we do expect to move rather quickly because of this confusion. chris. but i will point out a couple of things. there are states moving forward with similar legislation. we're seeing montana, we're seeing south dakota. of course, oklahoma. you and i have spoken previously about the law, about the proposal to have bibles in the classroom. also, ten commandments posted and talked about as well. and finally, i want to point out there is supreme court precedent that's important to bring up. in 1980, in the state of kentucky, they tried to propose this exact same initiative. that failed. but of course, with the supreme court makeup as it is, and as we've
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seen with precedent, the changing ways that precedent has or doesn't have an impact, it remains to be seen how this will go. but that decision we're awaiting and we know, expected to move rather quickly in louisiana. chris. >> marissa parra, thank you so much. now to the latest on those seven san antonio police officers who were shot while responding to a suicide in progress call. nbc's priya sridhar is on the ground in san antonio for us. what are police saying exactly happened? what do we know? >> yeah. >> well. >> it was a. >> very. >> scary night here. and we know that police were responding at around 830. >> last night to. >> this apartment. >> complex where. a suicide. >> in progress was taking place. >> when they. >> approached that. >> apartment on. >> the first floor, you can still see the crime. >> scene tape behind me. >> the police officers are actually still going. >> through the. >> scene trying. >> to collect evidence. >> they say. >> gunfire came out of the apartment from a suspect. >> and. >> seven police officers were shot. >> and taken. >> to the hospital. >> subsequently, the swat team.
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came out here and. >> they were trying to. negotiate with. >> the suspect. >> for several hours. >> he was barricaded. >> inside there trying to get him to. >> come out. we actually spoke. >> to a. >> neighbor who told us. >> that. >> tear gas was deployed in that effort, but. >> after several. >> hours, they were able to make. >> entry into that. >> apartment and found the suspect dead. now, they don't know if he. >> died. >> from a self-inflicted gunshot. >> wound or from. >> some of the gunfire that was exchanged. but he has now been identified as 46 year old brandon police. and we do know that he was actually arrested over the weekend, and he was charged with three counts of assault, violation of a protective order, and. driving while intoxicated. he was released on bond on sunday, so he was actually out on bond when all of this took place. the good news that we just learned a few minutes ago is that six of the seven san antonio police officers were released from the hospital, and all of them are expected to recover from their injuries. chris. >> priya, thank you for that. coming up in 90s, donald trump declares to davos that die is over. what we know about this new pressure on federal
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to emails sent to government workers and obtained by nbc news. federal employees who work in dei roles are now on paid leave, in accordance with an executive order that shutters dei and accessibility programs. nbc's yamiche alcindor is reporting from washington, dc. also joining us, brendan buck, former aide to house speaker paul ryan and john boehner. basil smikle is former executive director of the new york state democratic party. both are msnbc political analyst. yamiche, what more do we know about the actions the trump administration is taking against the ai programs? >> well, president trump has really made eliminating diversity, equity and inclusion programs a key part of the first few days of this administration. and he's really, in some ways, fulfilling a campaign promise that he has been talking about and did talk about on the campaign trail at length and repeatedly. if we walk through some of the things that he's done just in the last few days here, he had federal staff, as you said, dei staff placed on paid leave starting at 5 p.m. yesterday. he also ordered all
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dei related offices and programs to close. he removed all public dei websites and social media accounts, and president trump revoked an executive order signed by president lyndon b johnson in 1965 that banned discrimination in federal contracting, and that was seen as a bedrock civil rights measure. that measure is now gone now. i've been talking to trump administration officials, including the white house press secretary, who told me that this is really, again, president trump doing well and making sure that he is fulfilling the campaign promise that he had told his voters. and that really galvanized people to back him. and she said, in part, this is returning america to a merit based society, though there is a lot of criticism for this as well. i talked to the president of the naacp who said that this is really a buzzword. diversity, equity, inclusion. and this is really the president going after all sorts of terms or all sorts of programs and initiatives that would help level the playing field and push back against bias in our country. he said in part, that people should not be distracted by other core issues, like the massive transfer of wealth and the gutting of
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federal services. so we expect to see some litigation against these executive orders. but as you just said it, this is really going to be something that is going to be front and center in this trump administration. chris. >> brendan, the president of the american federation of government employees, had an interesting take on this, saying that trump's attack on daca is just a smokescreen for firing civil servants. how do you see what's happening? >> well. >> as you. >> pointed out, this is something the president has been talking. >> about doing throughout. >> the campaign. so on some levels it's not surprising. but perhaps what i'm struck. >> by is. >> how far he went here. >> the undoing. >> the. >> the bar on on discrimination in federal contracting. >> i'd love to know what the. >> what the explanation is for that. but the. >> reality is republicans. feel like they have the. >> wind at their back on this issue. >> and it's interesting. >> because for so long, cultural. >> issues were so much to democrats advantage. whether you're talking about gay marriage. >> or abortion. and here now, republicans think that they have
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sort of won the. culture war on this and that this is all an extension of. >> you know, the quote unquote. wokeism around the country. >> and this is exactly what a lot of republican voters are looking for. i do think there. >> needs to be some. >> caution here. while dei is certainly gotten. less popular, it. is not. unpopular at large, and polling has. >> been relatively split on this. i think it comes down to the question. >> of, are you. >> talking about being welcoming and inclusive to other. >> people. >> or are you talking. about setting up. >> a system where some people. >> are advantaged. >> based on. their racial background? and if it's the latter, i. >> don't think that's. >> going to be very popular at all, and ultimately comes down to what republicans are talking about is a merit based system, which, of. >> course is a bit ironic. >> given a number of the cabinet nominees that the president has chosen. but i think that republicans. >> feel like they have the. upper hand on this issue. >> and they're going to press it. and as always. >> the question is. >> whether how much does donald trump feel like he can
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overreach. on this and whether there's any real blowback? >> and bethel, that email that was sent out to multiple agencies also claimed that dei programs, and i'm quoting here, divided americans by race. wasted taxpayer dollars and resulted in shameful discrimination. i know this is something you've researched. you've studied, you've worked on this for decades. what are the real world implications of losing diversity programs? >> well. >> some of the real world implications, at least in this short term, is that you're going to have folks in the federal government spying on each other, people that work in the same office. like how productive. >> is that? >> where does that where does that move us as a nation? and going back to this point about merit, because there is this smokescreen that there is this meritocracy. there's never been a meritocracy in our country. and i'm glad brendan made the point about the nominees, because that really does shine a light to the fact. >> that there isn't a. >> true meritocracy in our country. and so what what we're seeing now is, is, is trump deputizing people in the federal
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government to essentially push out anybody or any anybody associated or would be considered a, you know, a quote unquote diverse hire because with their language diversity, equity and inclusion means didn't earn it. so it really is a way to, from their point of view, essentially cleansing the federal government. and then brendan made an important point. the republicans do believe that the wind is on their back, because there are a lot of companies, by the way, that feel that they want to step away from this, that the that the requirements are too onerous. so they want to step out. and the last and really important point is where will this have an effect on state and local governments. because if the federal government is saying that we're going to get rid of anything related to dei, will their typical carrot and stick approach say, well, states and localities, if you engage in any of this behavior, we're not going to send you money either. that's where that pipeline and funding becomes really damaging really quickly.
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>> well, it is really interesting. you mentioned the companies. we've seen some of the big ones, brendan, mcdonald's, walmart, amazon make changes to their dei policy. although i'm reading that just today, costco, which did not make changes, had a company annual meeting today and they were pushing back against shareholders proposal to urge them to conduct an evaluation of whether dei poses a risk to them as a business. so i guess the bottom line here is, yeah, we do talk about the impact it's having within government that is very real, but it is setting the stage for something far, far broader. >> absolutely. >> and the. point about state. >> and local. >> governments is a good one. >> you can extend the same thing to. >> any, any company, because if you you you'd. >> be shocked. >> i would say, how many companies do business. >> with the federal government. >> and it's very easy for the federal government to set standards by which, if you want to do business with the
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government, you need to meet our standards and you need to not engage in these things. >> and so. >> there will be an effect. >> all. >> throughout the. >> private sector. >> if you want to do any business with the government. >> you. >> can't have one of these programs is. >> ultimately. >> i think, where this. >> is going to land. >> and like. basically everybody. >> has some level of engagement. so but. >> to your point, the. >> private. sector has been getting. ahead of. >> this themselves. >> i think they've seen a lot of. >> blowback within. >> their own ranks. and i think that's happened over a number of years. but certainly with with trump coming in, nobody wants to be the last one standing there with a dei program on their website. >> and then there's basil, the memo that was sent to doj employees imposing a freeze on all action on civil rights cases. of course, the doj, under merrick garland had aggressively pursued civil rights reform in police departments. so i wonder what's the message on all of the change we see, especially in the wake of the george floyd murder? >> well, it's the reason that you asked that question is i teach a class on police reform on monday that when you look at
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anything related to how government interacts with the public. the point is that your diversity. diversity is not welcome, that your interests are not welcome, and that that is really the message that voters are getting. it is true that trump talked about this. he signaled that he would do it and now it's coming to fruition. but what that means in real time is that people who have you, who have worked and found ways to political and economic power through programs, through policies that go back at least as far as 1965, that all of that is gone. so it's a way of sort of isolating a whole group of people. and by the way, a lot of those are women, particularly white women who who are one of the biggest constituencies of small business owners, that when you think about dei and mwbe programs, a lot of people are going to be affected at every level of government. and this is
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>> settlement. >> some 14. >> states. >> as you point out, were. >> involved in this settlement. >> including new york state. i want. >> to take you. >> to take a. >> listen to. >> what the new york attorney general had to say about the settlement earlier today. >> the sacklers will personally pay up to $6.5. >> billion, and. >> an additional $900 million will. >> come from. >> purdue. >> the company. >> that they started. the settlement puts an end to the sacklers. >> opioid business. >> their drug. >> business, their. >> legal drug. >> business. >> and they will no longer. >> have a role in. >> purdue, the company. >> they controlled. >> for decades. >> and they will be banned. >> from selling. >> opioids in the united states. >> now, the settlement is. >> $1.4 billion. >> more than the previous. $6 billion settlement, which had been overturned by. >> the supreme. >> court back in june. >> the supreme court. >> ruling that a provision of that settlement. >> which would have shielded. >> the. >> sackler family. from future.
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>> liability. >> be struck down. now. this additional. >> settlement. >> $7.4 billion. >> a source with knowledge of the settlement tells. >> me that there is. >> a provision. >> within this settlement that earmarks $800 million to a legal defense fund for. >> the sackler family. >> to be used for. future cases. chris. >> erin mclaughlin, thank mr. cassidy. ms. collins.mr. coons. mr. cornyn. ms. cortez m trump's second term cabinet. the only other, of course, secretary of state marco rubio. and still to come on, chris jansing reports president trump speaking for the first time on the world stage since retaking the white house. what he said to some of the wealthiest people on earth. plus, the push to retake the
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orders to a major warning to businesses over tariffs. i want to bring in nbc news chief white house correspondent peter alexander, also with us, sky news paul kelso, who is in davos. so what did we hear from the president? peter? >> well. >> chris. >> as you sort of noted, this is president. >> trump's first virtual. >> trip around the. >> world since becoming. president. again here in the united states. >> one of. >> his key messages has been focus on. the american economy and bringing. >> money back home. the construction. >> the. >> production of products here. and he. >> said, in. >> part, that he would be calling for tariffs if products are not. >> made here in the u.s. here's part. >> of what he said. >> my message to every business in the world is very simple. come make your product in america and we will give you among the lowest taxes of any nation on earth. we're bringing them down very substantially, even from the original trump tax cuts. but if you don't make your product in america, which is your prerogative, then very simply you will have to pay a
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tariff, differing amounts, but a tariff which will direct hundreds of billions of dollars and even trillions of dollars into our treasury to strengthen our economy and pay down debt. >> he said. that tariff could. >> be 25% for canada and. >> mexico, perhaps 10% for china. >> recognized tariffs obviously are passed. >> on to the consumer. >> it's not a tariff. >> that basically. >> the country just takes. it's a tariff that these. >> producers. >> these purchasers here in the us. ultimately must pay. >> and it's. >> one that they often pass on to the consumer. it wasn't the only thing he met in terms of the global community as it relates to the economy. he said that he is demanding. >> that interest. >> rates drop immediately. that comes ahead of the january 29th meeting of. >> the. >> federal reserve. it's expected that interest rates will. >> be held. >> steady during that meeting. of course, the president. >> can't just demand interest. >> rates be brought down. that is determined by the markets. >> and. >> separately. >> on the. >> foreign policy front, he had a message to a. >> lot of america's. >> nato allies saying that he
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wants them to up their. >> defense spending to. >> 5%. their contribution, in. >> effect, something that many of the. >> defense ministers of. >> a. >> lot of allies said would be unrealistic. chris. >> all right, paul, there was a lot of suspense heading into this speech over what donald trump would say. what's the reception been on the ground? >> yes, chris, donald trump has. >> dominated this meeting. >> of. >> the world. >> economic forum. >> from a distance. >> since the start of the week, which began with watch parties as delegates here watch the inauguration. well, he's dominated it. >> in person. albeit virtually today. with that, certainly in economic terms. a bellicose. speech that said to certainly the europeans in the room, america first. >> means europe. >> is in his. >> sights. >> if not europe. coming second and. >> speaking to some of the european. >> foreign ministers, our own british. >> trade secretary afterwards. >> there. >> looking on. >> the. >> bright side. >> as. >> you expect. politicians to do, the norwegian foreign. >> minister, not in the european union, but a powerful energy voice in europe.
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>> told me, well, we know where we stand now. we know he could not have been. >> clearer about the challenge. >> to europe. >> we need to try. >> and. step up and meet the. >> us when it comes to regulation. >> and the. >> other challenges that business. >> is facing. >> by contrast to the us, the british. >> for our own. >> parochial concerns. out of the european union, clinging on to the special relationship, perhaps hope there's a middle path. here that we might avoid the crossfire between the european union. and the us in what feels like a trade war. >> emerging, and. >> there may still be a path in which, certainly the uk economy is not too damaged by donald trump's opening salvos here. >> so would you say, even among people who perhaps like donald trump, supported donald trump, there is a level of nervousness, uncertainty? >> yeah, absolutely. >> this is a remarkable speech because of the audience. it was delivered to. the world economic forum convenes all sorts of
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businesses, investors and politicians. but all the big global groups that audience it had, there were former vice presidents in there, al gore, but the head of the european central bank, the head of the world trade association, which mr. trump has been urged to leave, the head of the international monetary fund. and they are shifting in their seats as donald. trump insists he is really serious about upending the global trading and economic order. so there's been an element of guessing quite what mr. trump would mean. those first day executive orders. would there be what? day one tariffs. there was a little sigh of relief here that they didn't emerge. but this has upped the stakes. there's some some hope. he's talked about peace in ukraine, but no detail. there is little hope, but certainly economically the vibe here in davos has been the americans have been practically high fiving each other with the optimism and animal spirits that mr. trump has unleashed over the economy. the europeans have been very negative. the business sentiment is negative today. that has simply increased as
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people prepare to leave the alps and deal with the reality of what trump mach two means. >> paul kelso, thank you for that. peter, i want to ask you about another story that's out there. newly minted secretary of state marco rubio is expected to make his first foreign trip as early as next week. and one of the first stops, according to a state department spokesperson, is going to be panama. now, we know trump has said he wants to take back the panama canal. some republicans say there are real geopolitical reasons, particularly about china's influence in the region, to do that. so what do we know about this trip and rubio's goal with going there? >> well, you showed some of the. >> key places he'll be visiting in the course of this trip. >> most notably. >> though. >> of course, panama. >> where the panama canal has been in president. trump's sights even. >> before he came into the oval office this. >> second go around, making very. >> clear, among. >> other things. >> that he wants to take back. control of the critical waterway, arguing. >> that it is under the. >> control of china, china and panama both dispute that there
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is any interference there at all. experts say the neutrality of this international waterway is critical to its success right now. but the bottom line message is that there are real concerns about chinese ownership, state. >> ownership of. >> some enterprises that are around the panama canal, and they have real fears the us government does that. those could be turned some way into some military action to try to. >> sort of. >> assume control of the panama canal. so that will be high on the now. secretary rubio's list of priorities when he makes these trips, as you noted, guatemala, el. >> salvador. costa rica and the dominican. >> republic also on his list, where immigration and the desire to crack down on the surge of migrants to the united states will be a top priority as well. >> peter alexander, thank you. i want to bring back nbc's julie sirkin on capitol hill, where a key test vote on this nomination is happening right now. what can you tell us? >> well, i just want to point out, importantly, because we've talked to some republicans who have indicated that they might not make their mind up until the
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final vote tomorrow. so in that vein, mcconnell just voted to advance its nomination. susan collins had voted not to advance his nomination. remember, so far going into this vote, we've only heard officially from senator lisa murkowski, who released that lengthy statement saying that she will vote against his nomination for a variety of reasons. she has significant concerns, she said. we talked about that a little bit last hour, chris, with his drinking, with these allegations, with allegations specifically that he has denied as well. and in this case, we are still watching this, of course, because fetterman is an interesting one. john fetterman was the one democrat that pete hegseth had actually sat down with before the confirmation hearing. both fetterman and hegseth had said favorable things of each other after that meeting. we were watching him very closely. and since fetterman was a no today, we can presume he will be a no on the final vote tomorrow night, which means if all 47 democrats vote against pete hegseth, they will need at least two more republicans. if lisa murkowski, susan collins, excuse me, ends up voting no tomorrow, in addition to senator lisa
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murkowski, they will need two others in order for that nomination to be successfully blocked. i got to tell you, though, i just talked to several senate republicans downstairs in the same building as they were headed to this vote, senator john hoeven, for example, telling me that he's confident because he spoke to his conference that despite the no's that we may see out of lisa murkowski, susan collins, and maybe 1 or 2 others, that he thinks that this nomination will go forward earlier, roger wicker, who is the chairman of the senate republican senate armed services committee, that process texas nomination, had also said that he's confident they have the votes. but he did tell jd vance, he says not to go far. chris. >> julie sirkin, i know you'll keep us posted. thank you for that. and coming up, the latest in the trial over an alleged deadly crime spree against gay men in new york city. you're watching chris jansing reports watching chris jansing reports only on msnbc. it ain't my dad's razor, dad. ay watch it! it's from gillettelabs. this green bar releases trapped hairs from my face...
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right now, a trial is underway for three men who allegedly ran a drugging and robbery scheme targeting men at new york city's gay bars and led to two deaths. prosecutors argue that the men lurked outside of bars, befriended intoxicated victims, drugged them and then used their unconscious faces to access their bank accounts on their phones. the defense argues there are gaps in the case, and that nothing connects the defendants to the deaths of 25 year old julio ramirez and 33 year old john umberger. the defendants have pled not guilty to murder, conspiracy and grand larceny. and joining me now, new york city councilman eric botcher, who represents the district where some of these alleged crimes took place. good to have you back on the show, councilman. how have things changed or have they in the gay community? this was, for many people, a very scary moment. and i even heard the words wake up call said. >> it's hard to describe. >> the. >> trauma that this has caused. >> in our community.
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>> and when it was happening, it. >> caused. >> tremendous fear in. >> our community. >> when julio ramirez was. >> found dead in. a taxi cab. >> and then john. >> umberger just a month. >> later with no idea. >> who. >> was doing. >> it, and when they were going to strike again. so we are tremendously grateful that justice is being served for. their deaths. and it. did cause folks to. >> really be. >> more aware of their surroundings while out experiencing new york's nightlife. >> and this has been a week of tremendous change for the lgbtq plus community. in just the first couple of days, donald trump has signed executive orders saying the federal government will only recognize two sexes. he ordered the end of federal dea programs and removed lgbtq resources from government websites. how did democrats respond? >> first thing we've got to. do is not react to what's happening now and reflexive way, and remember that this has happened
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again and again. over time. our community has been used as a scapegoat for political gain. in 2004, george bush used marriage equality as a wedge issue that arguably helped him defeat john kerry. we did not abandon marriage equality after 2004. we stayed strong because we knew it was right. that's what we've got to do now. >> so the episcopal bishop of washington, right, reverend mariann edgar budde, came under fire. she got on the pulpit and she said to donald trump, who was sitting in the front row, very clearly show compassion to people in our country who are scared, including gay and immigrant communities. and here's what she told my colleague rachel maddow just last night. >> i wanted. >> to make. >> as you heard. >> a plea, a request. >> that he. broaden his. >> characterization of. >> the people. >> that are. are frightened.
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>> now and are at risk of losing everything. >> there hasn't. >> been much of a. >> narrative outside of the narrative. >> that the president has been describing, right? >> that if. >> people have. >> gone quiet. >> or they've been. >> ignored. >> the president came outside the church, still standing on the grounds of the church, and was not happy. he made it clear he wasn't happy with what he heard inside. how important are voices like hers in this moment? and what is your message to people who may be afraid? whatever they do, they don't have to be a politician. they can just be having a conversation right in real life where they hear something if they're afraid to speak their truth and to speak out for what they know is right. >> well, the hypocrisy that donald trump presents is the same hypocrisy that so many evangelical christians present when they claim to follow the teachings of jesus christ, yet don't follow the basic tenets of
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mercy, kindness, consideration of those who are most vulnerable in our world. and that's what happened with donald trump. and i'm not surprised the bishop is doing what her faith calls her to do, which is to speak the words of jesus christ, the teachings of jesus christ. that's what she did from the pulpit. and it's no surprise that donald trump reacted in a hostile way. >> we only have about 30s left, but i hear a lot from the activist community that there's exhaustion, and they're concerned about the ability to get people reengaged in the fight. do you feel that? and do you think if it's true that it will it will reignite. >> fatigue is real. we're all tired after the last eight years of fighting. however, no one should mistake our resolve to fight against this injustice. and i can tell you that legal
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filings are being prepared by lambda legal and other organizations. we are going to fight these actions in court. we're going to fight them in the street. we're going to fight them in the halls of washington and in state capitals and city halls around the country. and we will prevail, as we always do. over time, we've been subject to persecution throughout our entire history, thousands of years. and over the last few decades, we've experienced tremendous progress as a community, and we're going to continue that progress until we until we achieve full equality in this country and across the globe. >> new york city councilman eric boxer, thank you so much for coming on the program. good to see you again. finally, i think most people would agree that anyone willing to walk half a mile through a snowstorm to deliver pizza deserves a tip. that said, two bucks isn't much of a tip. that's what indiana police officer richard craig thought when he saw connor
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stefanoff struggling through the snow in sweats and sneakers to do his job, and found out how little he'd gotten for the effort, leaving his car, trekking through the snow already knowing he'd gotten a $2 tip because it was an online order. so craig gave him all the money he had on him $15, and then decided to set up a gofundme page with the goal of raising $500. well, he got that and a lot more. the total now more than $31,000. and the 20 year old, who had been using his grandmother's car to make his delivery and helping her pay her bills, says he'll use the money now to buy a car of his own. that does it for us this hour. make sure to join us for chris jansing reports every weekday, 1 to 3 p.m. eastern, right here on msnbc. and be sure to check out msnbc reports on instagram. you'll get the latest breaking news and highlights from our reporters around the world. our reporters around the world. our coverage continues with katy tur ♪♪ amazing.
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