14% of that fire won't spread. two smaller blazes have flared up in the last 24 hours, but rain is forecast for this weekend. president trump, meanwhile, taking to fox news about putting conditions on aid for california. >> the money be contingent on on them. >> practicing the science of forestry. >> i don't think we should give california anything until they let water flow down into their. >> from the north to the south. >> this is a political thing. i don't know what it is. >> trump is due to visit the state tomorrow. that does it for me. the reidout with joy reid handing over to joy reid is a privilege i don't get very often. haven't had it since the days when we used to share weekend mornings. so what a pleasure my friend. >> i know. >> what a pleasure it's like. it's like old times. >> it's like old times and also like old times because we were covering the trump administration back then. so you'll continue on that. you have yourself a. >> good. evening all over again. >> that's right. yeah. have a good show. >> i'm so excited. >> thank you very much, my friend. and thank. >> you for.

>> joining us tonight. we have so much to get to in the. >> next hour of. >> the reidout, including donald trump defending the indefensible, his pardons of the violent criminals who attacked police officers at the capitol on january 6th. four of those officers, harry dunn, aquilino gonell, daniel hodges, michael. >> fanone. >> as well as mike vernon's mom, join me tonight. and as trump rolls back transgender protections, i'll also be joined by freshman congresswoman sarah mcbride, the first openly transgender member of congress. but we begin tonight with donald trump stumbling out of the gate in the first week of his second administration, making his top priority, not the economy or the high cost of living, but rather issuing a blanket pardon to 1500 participants in the january 6th insurrection. that includes pardoning hundreds of defendants who were convicted of violently attacking police officers who were protecting the capitol during the assault. defendants who were armed with firearms, stun guns, flagpoles, fire

extinguishers, bike racks, batons, a metal whip, office furniture, pepper spray, bear spray, a tomahawk ax, a hatchet, a hockey stick, knuckle gloves, a baseball bat, a massive trump billboard. trump flags, a pitchfork, pieces of lumber, crutches, and even an explosive device. to perhaps no one's surprise, the decision by trump is wildly unpopular. polling shows that only 24% of americans approve of pardoning all of the people convicted of crimes during the capitol attack, and it's not just the american people who disapprove. some of the federal judges who oversaw these cases are blasting trump's decision. u.s. district judge beryl howell, writing in a scathing order no process of national reconciliation can begin when sore losers whose preferred candidate loses an election are glorified for disrupting a constitutionally mandated proceeding in congress and doing so with impunity,

adding this court cannot let stand the revisionist myth relayed in this presidential pronouncement. u.s. district judge tanya chutkan also had some choice words for the decision, writing, no pardon can change the tragic truth of what happened on january 6th, 2021. the dismissal of this case cannot undo the rampage that left multiple people dead injured. more than 140 people and inflicted millions of dollars of damage. it cannot diminish the heroism of law enforcement officers who struggled facing serious injury and even death, to control the mob that overwhelmed them. it cannot whitewash the blood, feces and terror that the mob left in its wake, and it cannot repair the jagged breach in america's sacred tradition of peacefully transitioning power. and yet, donald trump is still doubling down, saying this in an

interview last night with his friend sean hannity of fox. >> they were treated like the worst criminals in history. and you know what they were there for? they were protesting the vote because they knew the election was rigged and they were protesting the vote, and that you should be allowed to protest, to vote. you should be allowed to, you know, the day when the day comes. >> you shouldn't be able to. >> invade the capitol. >> ready? most of the people were absolutely innocent. okay. but forgetting all about that, these people have served horribly a long time. it would be very, very cumbersome to go and look, you know, how many people are talking about 1500 people? almost all of them are should not have been there should not have happened. and the other thing is this some of those people with the police, true. but they were very minor incidents. okay. >> joining me now is michael fanone, former d.c. metro police

officer, who was assaulted defending the capitol during the january 6th insurrection. he's the author of the book hold the line. also joining me is his mother, terry fanone, the dear and wonderful terry fanone, who i have not seen since the book party. so he is so good to see you. but i am going to start with you, michael. your response to donald trump? >> i mean, >> listen, i. >> find it difficult to. >> understand how donald. >> trump could characterize. >> what happened to. >> me as a minor incident to. >> remind the american. >> people who are. >> not aware. >> i was pulled. >> from. >> the police line by. >> albuquerque cosper head. i was put in a headlock, dragged out. >> into the mob. i was restrained. >> i was. >> beaten at one point, an individual. kyle young. >> lunged for my firearm. >> tried to remove. >> it from my holster.

>> all while. >> individuals in. >> the crowd were chanting kill him. >> with his gun. >> during that struggle, daniel rodriguez. used a taser. device on my neck. >> numerous times. >> and while this. >> was happening. >> thomas sibick. >> ripped my. >> badge and. my radio. >> from my vest. >> as a result. >> of this assault, i. >> sustained traumatic. >> brain injury as well. >> as. >> a. >> heart attack. donald trump knows that these were not minor incidents. he doesn't care. >> this is part of his plan. the plan is to. >> pardon those that. committed crimes. >> on his. >> behalf, because he knows that. >> that will. >> send a message. >> to the citizens of this country. >> if you commit. >> crimes on my. >> behalf, i. >> support you. >> if you stand up and speak the

truth or try to prevent me from. >> doing things that. >> i want to. >> do, then. >> you know. >> what's coming. >> you just described something that is very clearly victimization by criminals. and yet the department of justice, now in the hands of donald trump, has said that you're not entitled as you have to seek restraining orders. you could run into these people at walmart. they could be anywhere. they are now out free to walk around the same people who assaulted you, to try to get restraining orders. please explain what you were told by the justice department about your entitlement to assistance by your government. >> yeah. so immediately after i was made aware of the fact that. >> these individuals had been pardoned. >> i wanted. >> to take. >> any and all steps to protect. >> myself and. >> my family. >> from further harassment or assault. >> so i went down. >> to the prince william. >> county courthouse in virginia. which is in the

district that i live, and tried to obtain protective orders from those individuals that had been criminally charged and pled. >> guilty to assaulting me. there are five of them. i was told. >> that the way that a protective order works is that once you've applied for it, you're. >> granted a temporary. >> order of protection, which lasts. >> two weeks. >> well, that doesn't do very much. >> in order. >> for the protection order to take effect. >> for a. >> full. two years, these individuals have to. >> be served well. that requires. >> me to know. >> their home address. >> when i reached out to the department of justice initially, i was told that they. >> would provide. >> me with that information. >> 9:00 this morning i get a phone call, and i'm. >> told that because. >> the cases. >> were pardoned, there is. >> no longer. >> any criminal charges, and. >> i'm not. >> entitled to that. >> information as i. >> am no longer. >> a victim. >> according to the department.

>> of justice. >> you talked about getting protection not just for yourself, but for your family. and that includes your mom. terry, it is so good to see you, miss fanone. you've been victimized now because of your son. the first time i met you, i have to tell everyone of you to tell a little bit of a the way that i met you at the book. >> party. >> and what we talked about is how proud you were of your son and how you told me about him in high school being a, you know, bright guy, you know, that always really smart. and he goes to the police academy, you're so proud. and then you see him actually be a hero of during an insurrection during that. there it is. there's a picture of him coming out of the police academy. >> yeah. >> and first of all, your just how do you feel seeing your son go from this hero police officer to somebody who doesn't even have the support of police and now being told he's not a victim at all.

>> angry. and there. >> are no words. >> or limits. >> to the. >> level of anger. >> i feel for, not just for michael. for each one of these police officers. >> and for. >> every, each and every family member that went through this. not only did they. >> go. >> through it, you know, every family member has dealt with it every day. >> since. >> the trauma that has. >> that is. always exacerbated. >> when there's so much denial. and now it's. >> not. >> even a denial. it's a total dismissal. >> it didn't happen. it did not happen. >> and he's. >> just been cut off from everything. >> and i. >> i think one thing i'll never get. >> used to. >> is when michael and i are out to lunch or wherever we're whatever we're doing. is that the hypervigilance. we both have when someone. >> comes up. >> to him, are they going to spit on. >> him or shake. >> his hand? yeah. and you never, ever. >> get used to that.

>> and that should not even be a question because he's a hero. talk about what's happened to you if you can. and i know this is painful to talk about, but you've been swatted. people have decided that you're someone a hate object as well, not just your son. there was an incident with feces thrown at you. can you please talk about that? if you can. >> so. so about six. >> weeks, maybe, maybe seven weeks ago. i'm out raking leaves in my side yard. >> and the side yard is a there's. >> a thoroughfare, a thorough street of heavier. >> traffic. >> street. >> and i was kind. >> of in the zone, just raking leaves and not noticing much. but i did notice a black pickup truck go back and there's. >> a school across the street. >> he turned. >> around and came back. i didn't. >> pay that much attention to. him because i thought maybe he picked up his kids and he was. >> coming back, and but.

>> he got over into. >> the other lane, into into the curb. >> next to my house. >> and threw what a big it was, a big. >> brown bag. i didn't know what it was. >> but it was. it missed me. it didn't hit me. >> but it landed. >> right. >> next to me and i ran. >> i didn't know if. >> it was a bomb. i had no idea what it was. and. >> i was terrified. i went back in the house and just waited. >> it didn't explode. >> it didn't do anything. when i went back out. >> i took the rake. >> and poked. >> at it. >> it didn't. >> explode. >> so i waited until somebody else was. >> around and. >> tore it open. >> yeah. i'm so sorry. >> and then. >> i think it was a. >> week or two. >> later, the 3:00 in the morning. i had. had my. >> sleep upstairs. and there

was. >> this enormous crash. >> on the side of the house. at 3 a.m. and i do have cameras all over and lights that. >> go. >> on if. >> there's motion and the whole motion. >> detector. >> they went off. >> and i looked outside and i didn't see. >> anything. >> and i kind of surmised maybe a. shutter fell off or. >> something, and. >> i didn't sleep the rest of the night, just waited and waited until it was. >> daylight and. >> went outside, looked around and i noticed it was a brick that was thrown up against it. just missed the window. and it's those kinds of things that. >> you don't. >> get over a startle reflex. >> right away. >> it takes a. >> long time before you can. >> before this whole stuff. >> is diminished. >> and it's just. every single day. >> yeah. >> what what. >> did. >> the guy. >> in the. >> truck. >> what did he. >> say as he rode by.

>> and. >> i noticed him throwing something. >> traitor. traitor. >> you know. >> i was a mama's girl, you know? and so moms are a red line for me. and i know for you, just because you talked about it, michael. i mean, for this to for you to have just done your job. actually, it wasn't even really your job, your metro officer. you're not a capitol police. you were not a capitol police officer. you responded to a call on your country for an emergency, and now your mom is experiencing this. i can't imagine how angry that has to make you and how depressing that has to be. >> yeah. >> i remember when. >> my mom first. >> told me about it. you know. >> i can't even. >> blinding rage. >> blinding rage again.

>> you know, like you said that somebody. would would. >> threaten my mother at her. >> home where she. lives because of. my participation in the defense of the capitol on january 6th. >> 2021. and then having a. >> willingness to bear witness to that before the american people. >> and the world, >> really. >> i just can't begin to explain. >> the personal. >> cost that my. family has, has endured. >> because of that event, with little. >> to no. >> support from lawmakers, from from really anyone.

>> and you. >> know, now that. >> you know, donald trump. >> has been elected. >> and he's currently serving. >> in office. >> it's not the election. it's not the fact. that he's the president. that pisses. >> me off. >> it's the fact. >> that all these. >> people that said. >> that they were, you. >> know. >> going to stand behind. >> us and that. >> they were going to stand, you know, shoulder to shoulder. >> with us, absolutely. >> ran for the hills. yeah. you know, there's. >> a lot of john. >> fetterman's out there. >> in the world. >> yeah. >> and unfortunately. >> you know, that's why we're. >> in the predicament that we're in. >> yeah. >> and that's why the country is in the predicament that it's in. well, i am sorry. i am so sorry for what you have gone through, for what both of you have gone through. terry fanone, you are such a wonderful and sweet and dear person, and you do not deserve one scintilla of discomfort or anything other than to feel the pride that you

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>> michael fanone is back with me. and joining the conversation are three other officers who were assaulted by the mob while defending the capitol on january 6th, 2021. former capitol police officer harry dunn, former capitol police sergeant aquilino gonell and dc metro police officer daniel hodges, who was appearing in his personal capacity. thank you all for being here. it is so good to see all of you. i have not met you. this was the first time that i met you today, daniel, so i wanted to start with you. the scenes of what happened to you, i feel, are sort of the most widely known. some of the most widely known. it's something we saw and heard. so we know, you know, what you went through, having watched it when you got the news that the people who did that to you were pardoned, what was your thought? >> well, the i mean, this this was bound to happen since november 5th, right. that's when all this was really determined.

so i was resigned to this fact for a while. now i had time to process it. but even then, you know, having it actually happen and, you know, seeing, seeing the news, getting the emails from doj saying, oh, they're getting out of jail. yeah, that that has an impact. yeah. >> and i mean, have you experienced similar to what michael has talked about, the kind of abandonment? by i mean policing is a brotherhood. i have family that are, you know, in that do police work and there is a sense of abrupt it's a brotherhood, it's a sisterhood. it's a family. and it does feel like that family has backed away from you all. have you had that same experience? >> well, there have been officers who support me and i'm very grateful for that. and there are officers who i feel don't pay enough attention to what happened. i can only speak for myself, obviously, but it's it was incredibly disappointing when the fop endorsed trump, and now they're putting out this message saying they don't endorse the pardoning of the

january 6th insurrectionists, even though he campaigned on it. so it's it feels absurd for them to say that at this point. >> and, sergeant, i mean, there's a lot of back the blue talk on by donald trump and by his supporters. it doesn't feel so much like back the blue with those parties. >> not at all. i mean. >> just last night i think he said that he's the biggest friend of police officer. we're friends like. >> that who. >> needs enemies. i the people who. >> assaulted me. >> some of them i never got to. >> be sentenced. >> yesterday, i was supposed to be in court for one of them, and that i never got. >> to tell. >> the court what they did to me. and he's a many, many other ones that i have. >> pending this. >> month and next month. and unfortunately, the same people who attack. us are the same people who blame. us for what happened. and then they blame us for not being prepared while telling us that we should have done better. but if you are a pro law enforcement officer, a

pro. >> police. >> then why are you attacking the police in the first place? >> you know. >> what. >> i mean? >> so it's. kind of. new from them at some point, but they don't see the hypocrisy that they're the one who attacked the police, not the police attacked them. at the end of the day, we were the one doing our job. we were protecting the capitol. they were the attackers. and they're wrong. >> i mean, and obviously officer sicknick, you know, was laid in state. he died as a result of his brother has said he felt his brother died for nothing, which is a heartbreaking thing to have read. but there are capitol police officers who are still standing in those halls defending and guarding the people who would not approve a congressional vote for a congressional medal of honor for you all, and who are either silent or making excuses for these pardons. and i don't know if you all talk to folks that are still standing in those seats, in those places, in those spaces, and i don't know how they could possibly feel. but your thoughts on the pardons, not. >> just protecting those members. >> of congress. on monday. donald trump. >> was inaugurated in the capitol. police were responsible

for keeping him safe. think about that. the individual who sent a mob to attack those officers are the same officers who kept him safe on monday. >> it's just. >> kind of ironic and it's hard to wrap your head around it. however, the men and women of the capitol police are some of the most professional people. they take their jobs very seriously and they're proud to do it. when i was there, i was very proud to do it. i had to resolve the fact that it's not about an individual. yeah, it's protecting an institution that seat that that congress member, man or woman that i despise. that seat is still going to exist, hopefully 100 years after they no longer exist. if we continue to do our jobs and believe in protecting these institutions, which is clear, a lot of them don't respect these institutions anymore. >> yeah, i call y'all the avengers, including eugene goodman, who i just insist is black panther. and no one's going to talk me down from that. that's what i'm telling my.

>> what's up? eugene? >> what makes. >> it even. worse is like, there have welcome the same people who made their life the wrong, made them run for their lives. yeah. and they are giving them the praise and the honor. honorable mentions and things like that. something that they have not done for the officers that protect them. they still protest them, some. >> of them even giving. >> them tours. >> or offering tours. i was just. >> going to ask them to go to the white house. but the officers never been apologized to for what they did, for what those who claim to back the blue like congresspersons and also the president himself. >> yeah. >> when was the last time he acknowledged the efforts of the capitol police officers did on that day? >> i don't think he ever has. >> i don't think he ever has. he never apologized and he never will. >> and he never will. i mean, lauren boebert did offer that the tours are coming, and she said that she would like to give them personal tours. and i

wonder just for all of you. and i'll start with you, michael, how you felt seeing stewart rhodes. elmer, his name is elmer. he wants to go by stewart because i think it makes it sound cooler. but his name is elmer. he was there literally in the capitol yesterday meeting with lawmakers and, you know, having a dunkin donuts coffee inside the same buildings where he helped to orchestrate that mob. >> i mean, to be honest with. >> you. >> i just i. >> couldn't care less. >> about stewart rhodes. >> or what he. >> does or where he goes. i mean. >> to me, like. >> you know, that guy is just a clown. and i mean, at the end of the day, like, he should enjoy. you know, his his time, you know, in the limelight. because eventually, you know, these members of congress are going to dump him like. yesterday's trash because. >> you know. he's not going to help them get elected. >> maybe in some of the, you know, super crazy parts. >> of. >> america. >> you know, he could be seen as an asset. like, i'm sure marjorie taylor greene will

bring him around and have him. >> as a. >> you know, campaign companion. but. >> you know, in normal. >> america, that guy is just not not helping anybody. so he can go back to, you know, his cabin in the woods or wherever the hell he lives. yeah. and i don't know, like, do you have a youtube channel or something? >> and you probably will. i mean, i have to put this up on screen because this was actually the sort of wildest split screen for what happened is the pardons you all received, the fact that you all had to receive a pardon from president biden, daniel, to prevent you all from being prosecuted by donald trump's doj. how do you feel about that? >> i'm of two minds when it comes to the pardons. initially, and under normal circumstances, i feel like accepting a pardon does, in a way express an admission of guilt. because what's the point of a pardon if

you haven't committed a crime, right? however, in where we are now, donald trump's second term, the department of justice is not looking so much more like a department of justice. it's going to function more like an apparatus of vengeance. and under these circumstances, accepting a pardon is just a pragmatic method of self-defense against the function of this government agency that no longer exists as a function of justice. >> you know, this is a question that i just have to ask all of you, because i it's important to me that you all feel from the preponderance of the american people, that you are viewed as heroes. do you do you receive and feel that from most people? >> sometimes i do, sometimes i don't. at the end. >> of the day. >> i still got to go home and take out the trash and do the things that i got to do with my family. yeah, being a hero sometimes doesn't pay off, and i didn't do those things to be a hero. i did it because it was my job. it was my duty to protect

my colleagues, and i thank them for coming to our rescue, because we really were getting our handed that day. but to. >> be honest. >> look, the pardons, i never asked for one. i don't think i requested one, and i get it. why it was done. but in 2025, i didn't think that doing the right thing, i would need a pardon. >> right? >> yeah. i don't think. >> last question to you, harry dunn. you ran for congress. yeah. donald trump said that the proud boys and oath keepers could have a future in american politics, and it is likely that some of the people who violently attacked you all, some of the people who hurt you, who tried to kill you, are probably going to be in congress or in mayor's offices or in office someday. how do you feel about that? well. >> that's why it's important to understand what's at stake and who's running in these elections. you know, everybody's really focused on donald trump now. there's a lot of elections coming up in 2025. the midterms

obviously in 2026, we have to continue to not let them erase, let alone rewrite, what happened that day. it's important for people to be truth tellers and push back. i mean, we didn't want to be heroes. we don't i don't want to be talking about january 6th four years later. but the fact they say we need to move on from it, they are talking about it every single day. so they just formed a committee for it? yeah, absolutely. again. but we need to move forward. but we're going to convene a committee to re delegate the whole. >> thing to relitigate. >> it again. well, the avengers on set with me right now, and nobody's going to talk me down from that. these are not the avengers. thank you all so much for being here, harry dunn. thank you, aquilino gonell. i appreciate both of you being here. capitol police, we have to know that these two former capitol police on this side, my buddy michael fanone here, and my new friend daniel hodges, who i just met for the first time. and it is such an honor. the and it is such an honor. the avengers, y'all.

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the washington post points out, that is only one of the many ways that trump appears to want the justice department to act as both investigator and enforcer of his personal and policy wishes. joining me now is msnbc legal analyst and friend of the show, mary mccord, former acting assistant attorney general for national security and co-host of the main justice podcast. let's start with that, mary. the federal government cannot arrest a mayor or a governor for refusing to participate in immigration raids, right? >> no. >> i mean, there are the. >> entire federal immigration. >> system is premised. >> on voluntariness. >> voluntary cooperation. there are certain. >> things that. >> federal law prohibits. a mayor. >> or. >> a police. >> chief from. >> doing. >> like having their own. >> ordinance that. >> says police. you may. >> not ever communicate. information about. citizenship status. >> to ins. >> right. >> but they. >> but what. >> they don't. >> say is. >> you have to ask. >> for it. >> because that would be commandeering. right. >> and also it's. purposeful because the federal government.

>> frankly historically has not want states. >> mucking about, trying to. >> sort of do their own. >> immigration thing. >> right. it's actually immigration. >> the federal. >> you're right. it's like in the federal interest. but now trump. >> of course. >> is. >> like turning that on its. >> head to try to suggest. that they're violating law. >> so we know that, like when kennedy was president, you know, and when eisenhower was president, they sent the national guard in to help, you know, to force university of mississippi, ole miss to desegregate or to watch over arkansas desegregation. can donald trump send the national guard into california or illinois and use the national guard to arrest immigrants? >> so if he's going to do that, he would have to declare. >> the insurrection act. >> he would have to have a an. exception to posse comitatus. >> posse comitatus is a. >> criminal law that says the military, including. >> national guard. under the president's control. >> so a federalized national guard. >> cannot engage in. civilian law enforcement. but if he declares. >> an insurrection. >> act, you know, declaration. >> that there is an. >> insurrection here, there is some sort. you know, he keeps. >> using the word.

>> invasion, right? >> that requires. >> as a matter of national. >> security. >> the use of the of the. >> the military. >> including federalized national guard. >> that is something. >> that, you know. >> he could. >> declare and he could do and he could have his federal agents technically deputize them to engage in federal immigration. >> enforcing indoors in churches, mosques. >> now. >> i think that. >> would be challenged. >> right. there are there are there are ways to challenge that. >> and many. >> of us who've been looking. >> at. that have. >> been looking at those ways to challenge it. what he the other thing that he could try to do but. >> but again. >> i. think would be unlawful is ask. >> for friendly. >> states to. >> just under their own. >> title 32. >> authorities meaning when the national. >> guard. >> is still. >> reporting to the governor, send them into other states. >> that would be. >> one state essentially. >> invading invading another. >> and i could see florida and texas playing ball and some other states playing ball. let's talk about some of the things that donald trump has done. he's reversed the president biden's order to eliminate d.o.j. contracts with private prisons. so we're back in the private prison business, which is

presumably where they're going to put the undocumented people they, you know, kick in the doors and drag out. he's blocked. he's been blocked on the temporary on the birthright citizenship, at least for now. >> in one state. but it's but that. you know, one. >> judge of. >> the six pending cases has. blocked it. that's the case. >> that's the. >> furthest out in. >> advance. >> but. >> it. >> blocks it, you know. right. >> it appears. >> to be everywhere. >> so that's that's actually good news. he's also in the consent decrees that had actually been deployed in states like kentucky and obviously in minneapolis, where he put them. >> on hold at least. >> right, because. >> those have not yet. >> been assigned by the judge. >> so he could still. >> you know. >> have d.o.j, which he did the last. >> time he came in, he came in and those pending. >> consent decrees. >> under when. >> jeff sessions. >> was ag, they said, get out of these. >> yeah. and also it seems that the civil rights division is on is essentially out of the civil rights litigation business. >> they are everything. >> they're doing. no new cases. stay on everything. now, civil rights, as you know. >> tends to be the biggest political football. administration to

administration. >> but this is. >> more extreme. >> yeah, it's more extreme. let's go back just a minute to the birthright citizenship thing. it seems to me that it is very clear in the constitution, the 14th amendment, because enslaved people were not considered citizens. many of them were either born in africa or their parents were born in africa, and they were enslaved. they were considered property. and so the 14th amendment corrected that by saying, if you're born here, you're a citizen. it's been held to be true regardless, unless you're a diplomat. can donald trump on his own, he's been blocked this one time. but do you have faith that that the current supreme court, under the leonard leo majority supreme court, will actually interpret the constitution based on what it just says? >> i do i mean, this is something that. i think is so outrageous, so. >> against the. >> text of the 14th amendment. >> the interpretations, article three of section of the 14th amendment. >> well. >> but that. >> had never been interpreted. right. this is there's loads and loads. >> of cases that. >> including the. supreme court's own case, wong kim ark, that are very clear that it is.

>> jus soli. >> it's birth on this soil that counts. now, granted, the 14th amendment also says not only, you know, born here, but also subject to the jurisdiction thereto. and that's. >> the. >> phrase that the. >> eo is trying to suggest. >> if there's. >> wiggle room. >> if people are subject to the jurisdiction of the place where they're from, then they can't arrest them at all. they're all diplomats. >> well, so. >> this. is the. >> couple of different forms of jurisdiction, right? clearly, everybody here is. subject to u.s. >> law just. >> by being here. the idea, the notion, i think that they're trying. to assert and i know this because they wrote it in their opposition to the first. >> case, is. >> that if you're here on some sort of temporary status, you've got an allegiance to another sovereign. and that's because i don't know about you. i was surprised to see it apply to people like student visa holders and work visa holders. i was not surprised to see him try to do it with respect to undocumented people, but visa holders are people we've given. >> a visa to a visa to. yeah. it makes it makes that. well, you

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>> as trump continues making a bad reality show out of governance, he's now shifted into overdrive to defend executive orders with dubious legal standing. today, he phoned in to the world economic forum in davos because it's actually incredibly difficult for felons to get into switzerland. and he doubled down on an anti-trans measure, stating that the us recognizes only two genders. >> and i've made it official. an official policy of the united states that there are only two genders, male and female, and we will have no men participating in women's sports and transgender operations, which became the rage will occur very rarely. >> joining me now is freshman congresswoman sarah mcbride of delaware, the first openly transgender member of congress not to correct the president, but two genders, and then saying

male and female sex is male and female. that is the thing that is designated male and female gender is actually a totally separate thing. i actually went into a wormhole on this today just to make sure that i wasn't hearing things wrong. so he's actually got that wrong, so we'll just correct him on that. you came into congress really trying to do like consumer protection work, really focused on your consumer protection, like plans and ideas that you brought out of delaware. were you surprised at how quickly you became nancy mace? i guess vehicle to fame? >> well, i campaigned over. the course of the last two years on my record in the delaware general assembly, where i brought democrats and republicans together to pass paid family and medical leave and secured the largest investment in our state's medicaid program since the affordable care act passed in 2010. and i came here to continue to work on the economic issues of the day, of guaranteeing that the american dream is affordable and accessible for every person in this country by providing

affordable health care, housing and child care to every person who needs it. i think it's telling that in the first couple of weeks of 2025, instead of focusing in on lowering costs, which is what this last election was about, donald trump and republicans in congress have fomented culture wars, have prioritized culture wars over lowering the cost of living in this country. i wasn't surprised that there were some members of congress who wanted to use the service of a new member of congress to gain headlines and to take advantage of very real questions and a very real desire to more deeply understand transgender identities among the broader public, to take advantage of that in this moment. but, you know, i remain focused. i remain focused on the issues that i campaigned on, the issues that i'm working on already. i was the first freshman democrat to introduce legislation, this congress,

bipartisan consumer protection legislation. and i continue to be ready to work with anyone who's willing to be serious to actually address the issues facing our constituents. >> not being serious. i mean, the reality is, is that the nancy mace has filed a bill which is purportedly to protect women, and this has become wildly popular on the republican side of the aisle and has has made an issue of where you and, you know, i apologize for having to bring this up, but where are you going to use the loo. you know, and personally, i don't pay a whole bunch of attention to who's in the loo. you try to get in and get out. but apparently republicans are very concerned about where you're going to use the restroom. i mean, is that a thing that you're actually having to grapple with on a daily basis, or are you being allowed to legislate? >> well, i will say that my. >> day to day. >> is really focused on the work at hand. my day to day is focused on building out our office to serve delawareans. my focus is on my new committee assignments. my focus is on the legislation that i've introduced. you know, 98% of the people in congress are not

making a scene here. this is a handful of members who are are focusing in on this particular issue. and look, again, i think there are very real questions that the public have as they seek to understand the full diversity that can't be erased by any executive order or legislative action. but i don't think the public is concerned with where people are going to the bathroom. i think they're concerned with how they're going to afford rent. >> well, and this is one thing that i will say, people that i, that i know that are not maga, that are not trumpy, the one issue where you can get them to agree with donald trump and nancy mace is they're very concerned about the sports issue that they're saying that because, again, gender is how you sort of live your, your, your, your identity. sex is chromosomes. they're two very different things. but there are people who say, well, if you are chromosomally, right, and xy, you're just have an advantage in sports. and this is something that has become a thing. there are very few transgender people

in the country. it's a tiny number of people. it's under 1%. but this has become a fixation. so when you are asked that question of is there a fairness issue for women when it comes to sports, what do you say to that? >> well, look, i think that there are legitimate questions that have to be grappled with with regard to how to balance respect, inclusion and fairness in sports writ large. and what we saw by the republicans just last week in congress, micromanage athletics and federalize every sport from kindergarten through college, in every athletic program. and i think the places that are best able to grapple with how to balance respect, inclusion and fairness are the individual athletic associations that understand the sport the best and understand and are able to dive into the science and the data. the bill we saw this one size fits all bill that we saw,

i think, raises two questions. the first is how is this going to be enforced? the legislation would facilitate adults asking young girls, trans or not, as young as 5 or 6, not only invasive questions, but potentially be able to inspect their bodies. it is an absolutely disgusting proposal when actually put into practice. the second question is how does this lower cost? right? there are ten transgender athletes playing in college sports out of 500,000 athletes. and whenever you see a politician or a political party focus in on a particular issue, that impacts a handful of people and tells you that it's the most important issue, you have to ask them why. and the reason for that, in this case, is they are trying to divide and they are trying to distract, because every single time they talk about trans people, look what they're doing with their left hand. they're picking the pocket of american workers, they're fleecing seniors, and they're trying to undermine unions in this

country. >> well, as somebody who, you know, doesn't like to get booked to talk only about the black issues because it's like you're the black lady, know that you are welcome back on this show. any time to talk about lowering costs, to talk about real issues and the things you're actually legislating on, because that is what we do when people are first, there's always a pressure to just focus on that. we're going to have you focus on all the things you care about. thank you sir. thank you congresswoman. appreciate you. and congratulations. and a status update coming up next on status update coming up next on trump's day one promise i used to leak urine when i coughed, laughed or exercised. i couldn't even enjoy playing with my kids. i leaked too. i just assumed it was normal. then we learned about bulkamid. an fda approved non-drug solution for our condition. it really works, and it lasts for years. it's been the best thing we've done for our families. call 800-983-0000 to arrange an appointment with an expert physician to determine if bulkamid is right for you. results and experiences may vary.

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>> i can feel the winds of. >> change. >> donald trump has been president for four whole days, so it's a good time for a progress report on how all of those day one mega promises are going. well, to start the war in ukraine is still going. he hasn't implemented 25% tariffs, and the border is still apparently wide open. i should also note that canada is still on. it's still its own country, and the panama canal is still owned by panama, and the gulf of

mexico is still the gulf of mexico because it just is. and what about this one? >> so when i win, i will immediately bring prices down starting on day one. >> yeah, well, it's been four days, donald. so where are the lower prices? wholesale egg prices have been ticking back up since the end of the biden administration. in his first interview as president over on fox. of course, trump was asked about this one big area that a lot of people care about. >> they wanted to. >> take care of me. >> yeah. >> but they wanted to. i don't care. >> they're yelling at me. >> this is more important because right now the economy is going to do great. i want to know i'm here. >> oh, you don't care, do you? well, donald did follow through on some of his mega promises. you know, the ones from project 2025, like ending dui policies in federal agencies. so keep watching the space for progress on the rest of the maga promises. and that is tonight's reidout. be sure to check out alex wagner's new podcast, trumpland, as she travels the country talking to people at the