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all backed by our guarantee at customink.com. >> good to be with you. i'm katy tur. donald trump wanted immigration to be the central focus of his administration, and so far it is active duty. military troops arrived at the border in el paso, texas and san diego last night. and according to the white house, the administration deported hundreds of undocumented immigrants via military aircraft. yesterday, three u.s. defense officials tell nbc news two military planes flew migrants to guatemala last night. ice confirmed more than 500 migrants were arrested yesterday, almost double the daily average for the most recent month on record. a trump administration official says. those arrests took place nationwide, including in illinois, utah, california, minnesota, new york, florida and

maryland. 373 were arrested on criminal allegations. 165 others whose only offense was being here without the proper documentation. there was also a raid in new jersey at a local fish market, where the mayor of newark says ice detained a united states citizen and a military veteran. mayor ras baraka says the agents did not produce a warrant. right now, schools, churches, hospitals, playgrounds and daycares are all bracing for their own raids after president trump okayed arrests in, quote, sensitive areas. in fact, we are just getting word that there was a raid on a chicago public school today. just in the last few minutes, the ceo of the chicago public schools will join us in just a moment to explain what teachers and parents are doing to prepare there also to give us any more news on on what i just mentioned, sanctuary cities are on alert as well as are some migrants who are here legally. joining us now, msnbc news correspondent erin mclaughlin,

who's in newark, new jersey, nbc news homeland security correspondent julia ainsley and new york times dhs and immigration reporter hamid ali aziz. all right, erin, i'm going to begin with you. talk to me about what happened in new jersey. according to the mayor. >> yeah. >> well. >> mayor calling. >> what happened here at this. seafood depot yesterday. katie. >> unconstitutional. >> members of this community say they are shocked and scared. according to employees of the seafood depot yesterday, members of ice. ice agents showed up at the business unannounced. according to the mayor, without warrant, and began detaining employees, including three individuals that they ended up taking away. according to this employee, those individuals were from ecuador and unable to provide documentation. i want you to listen to what this employee had to say about what happened here yesterday. they

catch. >> three guys and. they like, order like. >> a prison. >> and i was like a little. bit everybody's. >> afraid because. >> i don't know if this is normal. >> but they. >> is from i think. ecuador. >> and it was. >> was crazy. they ask for the manager. >> but the manager was. upstairs and they only came came. >> in. >> and that's it. >> during the course of the raid, according to the mayor, at least one u.s. citizen was detained. a veteran, his military documents questioned. now, ice has released a statement about the raid yesterday. let's pull it up. i want to read it to you. saying u.s. immigration and customs enforcement may encounter u.s. citizens while conducting fieldwork, and may request identification to establish an individual's identity, as was

the case during a targeted enforcement operation at a work site today in newark, new jersey. this is an active investigation, and per ice policy, we cannot discuss ongoing investigations. now, key in that statement, ice is saying that this was a targeted operation. but i was speaking to amy torres, who represents an immigrant advocacy group here in newark. members of her group responded to the raid. they arrived at the scene shortly or as ice agents were leaving, she said. in speaking with the employees to her, it was clear that this was not a targeted operation, that they were questioning employees at random. and she told me she has never seen a raid like the one that transpired here yesterday. in her time here in newark, new jersey. and she said that is raising concern, that is raising alarm not just for newark, new jersey, going forward, but also sanctuary cities across the

country. >> let me just clarify a little bit about the chicago public schools. the ice agents showed up at a school. they did not get inside. again, we're going to have more details about what happened at that school in just a couple of minutes, when the ceo of chicago public schools joins us again, this is this is because of an executive order that donald trump signed just the other day, making sensitive places like schools, like churches, like play spaces, all those areas that were once, you know, off limits, making them on limits again and allowing ice agents to conduct operations in those places. julia, there is so much going on. just sort out fact from fiction here or just give us a little bit more context. donald trump is making an ice is making more arrests, but are they deporting as many people as the administration prior or even as the obama administration so far? i know it's very early days. >> well. >> the thing is, katie, it takes so long sometimes between an arrest and the time these people are really getting on the plane.

so the deportations that we saw yesterday, we understand there were at least two flights that left and went to guatemala. those that number might not actually equate might actually be low. and most of those people who were put on those planes were probably arrested under the biden administration. and i should point out, i mean, i was just in texas this time last week watching a deportation flight of 100 people going to honduras by the biden administration. so deportations in themselves are not new. the number i think that's best for us to be comparing right now, because we can compare apples to apples, is on arrest because that's kind of further upstream. less time has to transpire between that and the deportation. so when you're looking at arrests so far, we know they've done over 500 arrests just yesterday. that is almost double what they would have done on an average day in september. when you looked at just 282 on average in a day in september of 2024, but i'm told it's still is lower than they would have been in 2017, around the time when trump first took

office. so you have to look at the whole picture here that a lot of what we're seeing is new tactics, like workplace raids, like showing up at chicago public schools, which i understand you're going to be getting into in more detail, like using the military, those people who were deported to guatemala, many of them on military planes, and deploying the military to the border. these are the tactics that are changing. and i think that is what the first thing we're watching. but as far as numbers right now, yes, they've increased, but it hasn't gotten to this shock and awe number that a lot of people expected in the very early days of the trump administration. but right now, katie, i would say that the pieces are on the chessboard. they're able to use the military. they're using more people from the justice department to help in this, in this focus on immigration. and they're going to be spending a lot more on state and local police to try to help them identify migrants and hold space for them and their jails. so all of this is looking like they're pushing toward what will be

carry out of the mass deportation promise. >> let me play a little bit from tom homan, the head of all this, the border czar on fox. >> what i want to do is sanctuary cities. well, president, i'll let president trump take action on them through the department of justice. but we're going to go to sanctuary cities. we're at sanctuary cities jails right now. sanctuary cities make it less efficient and more dangerous, but it's not going to stop us. we're going to we're hitting every sanctuary city right now. >> right now you're hitting cities like chicago. >> right now. >> as julia mentioned a moment ago, doj is getting involved in this as well. we've got reporting from nbc news from four people within the department of justice who ares,e top officials have been reassigned to start looking at sanctuary cities and ways that they can be investigated or prosecuted, if any local or state officials are not cooperating with or complying with federal law enforcement operations. hamid, you've been covering immigration now for years. certainly during the

first trump administration. i just want to get your baseline for how you're understanding this, this first few days. >> it's been incredibly aggressive. it feels like they're cramming years of policy from the first trump administration into a matter of days. and you see them really go on the offensive when it comes to putting out pictures of ice deportations from the white house twitter account, from tom homan being on several, you know, new spots talking about deportations, it is front and center. and i think it's an effort to, you know, show that president trump is fulfilling this promise of mass deportations. you know, we're going through statistics, daily arrests, statistics of how many people isis arresting. i mean, he's really kind of shaped the narrative of how immigration enforcement plays on the ground. and i think that's ultimately the goal. they want people to be

uncomfortable. they want there to be a climate of fear. and ultimately, maybe people will decide that they want to leave this country voluntarily. >> we're going to talk about, again, the chicago public schools incident in just a moment. again, the ice agents just showing up there. did it surprise you, hamid, that that donald trump signed the executive order to make the sensitive areas like schools, like churches now, places where ice is allowed to try to do operations. >> well, i think it was a reaction to the biden administration widening the scope of that sensitive locations policy. that policy made it so, you know, places like playgrounds couldn't be involved in ice operations. ice officers couldn't go there. and at that time, several former trump administration officials were vocal about their anger at that policy. and i think this was a way to strike back, to say

that ice officers could do whatever they wanted. i'm not particularly surprised because i think, like mr. homan has said repeatedly, they're taking the handcuffs off ice officers and allowing them to do what they want to do. >> what about the temporary protected status of some individuals? there are haitian migrants, venezuelan migrants and some others who are are here legally under biden program that nbc news is reporting donald trump wants to potentially revoke. there's a memo from ice out there that, again, nbc news is reporting that says that they want to not allow those people to be in the country any longer. and i think if anyone remembers anything from donald trump talking about these temporary protected individuals during the campaign, it was when he was claiming that haitian migrants in springfield, ohio, were eating the dogs and eating the cats. >> yeah, even in the first administration, trump

administration went after temporary protected status. and last night, the dhs secretary signed a memo that would allow ice officers to revoke parole of people here who are brought here under biden era programs illegally and have some form of parole status. i think, again, it's part of this idea that it's time to crack down on immigration. it's time to get people who have been here in the country for years, you know, start to process them for removal. i think they feel emboldened, like they have a mandate to carry out these orders. >> and let me just give you a little bit of what the mayor of springfield, rob roy, who we've had on the show back when donald trump was saying that about the migrants, he's not giving interviews, but he did text us a statement. he said, we support the immigrants in our community who are here legally. while we understand concerns about potential displacement, we want to reassure our residents that no matter where you come from, if you are legally here to work, live and help make springfield a better place, you are welcome

here. he also says they remain steadfast in their commitment to upholding federal law, as they've always done in the past, and that they will continue to monitor and await further guidance from the federal administration. again, that's mayor rob roy from springfield, ohio, where a number of haitian migrants are now working under temporary protected status. their legal hamid ali aziz, julia ainsley, erin mclaughlin, thank you guys very much for starting us off. still ahead, as we promised, we're going to talk to the ceo of chicago public schools, pedro martinez. there he is about what just happened today at one of his schools when ice agents showed up. plus, trump makes the first trip of his second term visiting disaster zones in north carolina and california. that's where he's headed right now. what he threatened about fema today, former administrator just recently, former deanne criswell joins us with what she thinks can be done to make fema work better. and what we know about

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detain anyone and left the premises shortly after. nbc news has reached out to ice officials and has not yet heard back. joining us now, pedro martinez, chief executive officer for the chicago public schools, thank you for joining us. >> thank you for having me. >> what exactly happened this morning? >> so we had individuals that came to one of our schools. hamlin elementary school, that presented credentials that are that and share that they were from ice. and so our staff. >> followed the protocols. >> we're very clear. >> we've been we've been training. >> our principals, our security guards, any. >> front front office staff. >> to make sure. >> that making sure that they know that we are not to share any information with any anybody from the immigration department or ice, we're not allowed to unless they have a judicial order. they're not allowed to even enter the building. and so our staff followed those protocols. and we also have dedicated a dedicated team from our legal team that also has to verify any type of judicial

order, because, again, i don't want my staff, you know, feeling like they need to be legal experts or immigration experts. >> if it's a federal law that they're executing, say, donald trump saying that people who are not here legally cannot be here legally. how? explain to me the law here. how can federal or how can public school officials say, say no to letting ice in? >> yeah. so we have both state laws and city ordinances. and they're very clear also with our policies, which is for an individual to be able to either ask for information or to even talk to our students or staff, not only do they have to have the proper credentials, but they also have a valid judicial order, a court order, and we and because again, we don't want our team to have to worry about what's a valid order and what isn't. we have three dedicated lawyers from our legal team that are on, on call to, to review any order to make sure that it's valid, and they will directly talk to the individuals. >> what's stopping them from just waiting outside as parents

come to get their kids? what do you do in a situation like that? >> it's a great question. and so this is this is an area that we are really just working with our city and asking for help from our city. you know, i can i can ensure to our families that our children are safe in our schools. unfortunately, that that's my scope, really what we're asking our cities to help us, especially in dismissal times. for example, in this particular example, we've asked for some assistance at dismissal time just to make sure that our parents are not harassed as as they're picking up their children. and so that's an area that, again, we're going to continue to work with our city on. >> you know, we just got just a moment ago, got an ice statement about what would happen, what happened. and they are saying that it was not u.s. immigration and customs enforcement that they were not there. so i guess yeah. i mean, what sort of identification do you know that they that these people presented? and are you guys sure it was ice because they're right now saying it wasn't them.

>> yeah. and it's you know again we they showed credentials to my staff. the important thing that i think the most important thing, regardless is that my staff followed our protocols. and so this is another reason just to again confirm, you know, why we're doing what we're doing to keep our children safe. >> it's definitely. >> whether it's. >> a climate of, i'm sorry to interrupt you, but it's definitely a climate of intense fear. and if somebody shows up with any sort of identification, that indicates that, i would imagine that school officials would do what they did, which was i mean, they've already been on alert for this. they're they're. that executive order took away the protections of a sensitive area just to ask a coup more questions on consequences of just even having this order or this climate of fear, or have you found that parents are more hesitant to send their kids to school, maybe parents who are not here legally? or have you seen a drop off just in the past few days of kids showing up? >> you know, it's too early to tell, but the one thing i can

tell you right now, there's a lot of fear. and that fear is valid. and again, even going to the earlier incident, you know, they showed credentials to our staff and they said they were from ice. and so regardless of the statement from from the department of immigration, our staff followed those protocols. our parents are scared. what we're doing is we have an amazing set of partners here in chicago that are making sure that they're actually partnering with us and giving trainings to our parents so that they know their rights, that they again, they know that you know, how they're protected, both by our constitution as well as our state and city laws. >> what about teachers? i imagine that that it's got to be a difficult and anxious moment for teachers worried that they might find themselves in a situation, potentially where they do, you know, there's a there's a pickup situation. some kids aren't picked up. how are your teachers preparing for what could come? >> it's a great point. i think our biggest fear, we have two large fears. one is that parents are intimidated and they keep

their children at home. and we know that's not that's not good for them. in fact, the safest place for our children is in our schools. the other is that parents are detained outside of our schools. and so we're asking families to have updated guardian information. our community partners are actually working with any of our parents who voluntarily share with them that they're undocumented, to create family plans so that we have multiple individuals, relatives, friends and family that in an emergency, their children can be picked up by and can stay with them. >> all right. pedro martinez, thank you very much. and again, your schools say someone show up. some people showed up with ice credentials or claiming to be ice agents. ice is saying it wasn't them. we're going to wait for a little bit more clarification clarity on this. pedro martinez, thank you so much. and coming up ahead of his tours of disaster areas in both north carolina and california, president trump had some choice words for fema. what he said might happen to the agency. plus, what pete hegseth did to keep details of his second marriage out of the public eye as he now faces a confirmation

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julia, because there is a scenario where pete hegseth picks up a democrat. tell me what exactly you know right now and where this vote might fall. >> well, i think that democrat you're talking about, katie, is john fetterman. if he stays with his vote yesterday, which was to vote against advancing this nomination, i think he will stay with the democrats. and you can have 47 of them voting against him. lisa murkowski, susan collins joining them. of course, that's still not enough to tank him. there are private conversations happening as recently as a couple of minutes ago between senate republicans. certainly two of them would need to join on collins and murkowski in order for that vote to fail tonight. but as you can imagine, there is a ton of pressure coming from the other side of pennsylvania avenue. of course, the white house wants this nomination to go forward. they want to close the chapter. they want hegseth in this position as secretary of defense. but that's not withstanding the many concerns that members on both sides of the aisle, even ones

who might vote to confirm him tonight, have and continue to have. for example, senator thom tillis told us this week that he will vote on the procedural votes for brexit, but he could change his mind in the final vote that he was still trying to corroborate some of the evidence that we reported first in that affidavit, and there are still very real questions that are coming out for questions on the record that he answered from senator elizabeth warren about how much he paid to that montré accuser who accused him of sexual assault, that he has, of course, denied. that is that number now is public. it is $50,000. there's also continued questions about his drinking. that was such a key point in his meetings with senators. he said that he would stop doing it once he's confirmed as secretary of defense. and it's all these questions that they're continuing to discuss behind closed doors. but i don't know that it will actually change much in the next few hours here. katie. >> julie. sorry, i'm getting my julia's and my julie's mixed up today. my apologies to you, lisa. let's talk a little bit more about these allegations. there is the ex sister in law talking about one of pete hegseth s ex-wives. there's a little bit of a wrinkle here

regarding their divorce agreement that i that i think is worth sharing. >> i think it is worth sharing because based on excellent reporting by julie and some of our other colleagues at nbc news, we now know about that affidavit that danielle hegseth, the former sister in law of samantha hegseth and pete hegseth, has given to the committee. samantha hegseth has not given any public statements, katie, except for one, to nbc news, in which she said solely that she denied that there was any physical abuse that occurred during her marriage. she said that would be her only statement and asked us to please respect her privacy. there is a lot of room to acknowledge what else, danielle hegseth has said in her affidavit that goes beyond and is other than physical abuse. in fact, even the things in her affidavit that sort of touch on or hint at physical abuse don't actually say that samantha hegseth experienced it. what she says is that samantha hegseth, for example, told her that she was so afraid of pete hegseth that at one point she hid in her closet. she also says that they had a safe word, meaning

samantha hegseth had a safe word with some of her friends and family so that, if necessary, she could develop an escape plan. and the reason that matters is because samantha hegseth very carefully worded, terse denial could possibly be explained by a document that i discovered yesterday in the divorce decree from 2018 between pete and samantha hegseth. there is a provision that is a very broad non-disparagement provision. i want to draw a distinction, if i can, between non-disparagement and nondisclosure, nondisclosure agreement or provision says i cannot talk about x, i will not talk about event y. that's not what this is. what it says, though, is that neither of the former, the former hegseth wife or pete hegseth will engage in any public discourse, including through the traditional media or social media, that could disparage the other. and given how much of that is open to interpretation, that could explain why samantha hegseth won't say anything at all. she has allegedly spoken to the fbi.

we have reported that. but in terms of her willingness to engage publicly, she has said almost nothing at all beyond denying the physical abuse, which, of course, leaves room for the veracity of much of what danielle hegseth says, including about his alcohol abuse, his racist and misogynistic comments, and most importantly, the fact that samantha hegseth, at various points in their marriage, told danielle hegseth she was fearful for her own personal safety. >> pete hegseth, the only person that donald trump could appoint to this role, is there anybody else in his orbit that that that would be qualified and that maybe doesn't have this sort of potential baggage? >> yeah, probably 10 million people. i mean, this is the most. >> that would work for donald trump. >> i mean, at least dozens, right? i mean, this is the most unqualified, extreme and disqualified candidate i've ever seen in my life for any cabinet. >> what if it was desantis? >> i'm sorry. that's obviously a tremendous improvement for our national security, our troops and our moral conscience. i mean, this guy shouldn't be running a hot dog stand. i mean, he shouldn't be a principal of

your local school. i keep saying that. would anybody who's voting tonight be okay if pete hegseth was going to be the principal of the school where your children go? because this is, in my view, one of the lowest points i've seen in american politics. he's completely ridiculous at this point. and even worse, if they do confirm him. what happens if three weeks from now, four weeks from now, more stuff comes out and he's sitting as secretary of defense trying to deal with putin and trying to deal with our national security threats. that becomes a bigger issue. and that's why i don't think this is over until that. >> is there anybody advocating to senators saying, hey, listen, i know you want to hand donald trump a win here, but donald trump can get a win with people that are that are still pretty aligned with him, that that maybe you should go to him and say, i don't like this, this nominee, but i could work with a desantis, or i could work with the joni ernst, or i could work with x general or y general. >> joni ernst would fly through. i mean, hegseth will go down if he goes through as the most divisive secdef candidate in history. right. so ernst would fly right through and it would be better for our national security, our stability, morale, recruiting. but it looks like

they're going to push it all the way unless they pull it out in the 11th hour, because i would not put it aside that something could come out in the next six hours. i mean, it's been like that throughout this entire time. >> that you could have anything come out that's going to sway republicans at. >> this point. i think. i think a lot of them are keeping their powder dry. >> i also find that when more allegations come out, the harder the heels get dug in. i mean, bret stephens was arguing that that hegseth was looking like a very rocky confirmation until the jane mayer piece came out about about his history, his past with drinking, his the accusations of harassment. all of that stuff made it made it more imperative for republicans to confirm him. >> yesterday, a lot of people thought that collins and murkowski were lost. right. and now we're talking about tillis. there's still questions even about mcconnell. i mean, this this is going to be on a friday night for the entire world to see. and i hope that everybody is making this case, not just to president trump, but to those republicans who can make a difference here and can put our national security over partizanship and over loyalty to donald trump. >> courtney was telling me, courtney, who does our pentagon reporting, says that there's a

lot of it's he's a divisive figure within the pentagon as well, that there are people that think he's completely unqualified, don't want him anywhere near it. but there are also men and women in the military that like him, and they like that he has had his boots on the ground, dirt on his boots, as he said, sand on his boots. they like that. he knows what sort of ammunition goes into what sort of rifle. i mean, can you help explain that dynamic? >> there's people with extreme political views and lower integrity in the military. just like every other organization in america, there are plenty of trump supporters. there are plenty of folks who think he's great because they watch him on fox news. but almost every nominee for secretary of defense has had dirt on their boots, right? chuck hagel had two purple hearts. lloyd austin is well decorated, so that's just kind of a distraction here. i mean, he talks the talk, but ultimately he doesn't have what we need in terms of integrity and potential compromises to be a secretary of defense. i think it's absolutely shameful that we're even talking about this. any normal time he would be withdrawn and we'd be on to other candidates. >> julie, tell me, are you hearing about others, some other

names that are out there, maybe some lobbying of senators to say no to this one, to say yes to a desantis. yes to a joni ernst. is there anybody else that you're hearing about? >> oh, man. i mean, it's definitely the names that we've been talking about. mitch mcconnell is certainly somebody. trump is even watching himself. thom tillis, obviously somebody who's been telling us all week that he is looking into all of the facts. but, katie, i've covered this building under the first trump administration. i know how much pressure they're under now. it is even greater when you have elon musk and guys threatening to throw a ton of money in their face with primary challengers. many of these folks who are voting no are considering voting no are actually up in 2026, including joni ernst, including thom tillis, including mitch mcconnell, collins and murkowski. and so this is a political calculation for them, too. and remember, they don't want to be the deciding vote on this thing, right? they either have four that are going to vote against him, because jd vance can break any tie, even if it's three republicans who ultimately vote against him. and nobody wants to be that deciding vote.

because what is the point of putting your neck out there just to feel trump and his administration and his people's wrath over the next four years, two years at least in some of their cases. and so this is a super big decision for them. it is why you hear somebody like thom tillis saying that he is doing his due diligence. he's trying to talk to witnesses, he's trying to corroborate this information from danielle hegseth. they are all seizing on that statement that she provided to us, saying that there was no physical abuse, in part because the state's attorney is circulating that statement to republicans. he sent a letter to senator roger wicker earlier this week, copy pasting that email from samantha to courtney kube in her response about the physical abuse allegations, saying, look, nothing happened here. and so they're clearly under a ton of pressure here. but i know this is still a very light ball. katie. >> all right. julie sirkin, paul rykoff, lisa rubin, everybody, thank you very much. still ahead, a new round of hostages will be freed by hamas tomorrow, along with a new round of palestinian prisoners in israeli

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gets air force one in los angeles in just a few hours. newsom is trying to get the president's ear on disaster funding for the state, even as the president has tried to blame him for the fires. earlier today, while touring flood damage in north carolina, the president let float a plan to make big changes at fema, the government entity that helps states recover from natural disasters. >> i'll also be signing an executive order to begin the process of fundamentally reforming and overhauling fema, or maybe getting rid of fema. i think, frankly, fema is not good. i think we're going to recommend that fema go away and we pay directly. we pay a percentage to the state, but the state should fix this. >> we're going to talk to former fema administrator deanne criswell in a moment. but first joining us is nbc news correspondent morgan chesky in the pacific palisades. i hate seeing my hometown like this, morgan, but tell me what you are are going to be seeing with the president there and how he's going to be standing by. mayor

karen bass, who he's also tried to blame for these fires. >> yeah, katie, great question there. i know that seeing these scenes, it hits so close to home for you. we have seen a slow but steady uptick in security here on this block of the pacific palisades, because not far behind me is a fire station where president trump is anticipated to visit this afternoon, where he will speak with firefighters. also, some victims of these fires as well, where he's expected to make a brief remarks before walking amid the devastation that still seems endless in certain areas here. you mentioned governor newsom meeting him on the tarmac. the two men have not spoken in some time, and so all eyes will kind of be on any sort of exchange there, particularly coming off the fact that president trump has expressed a potential quid pro quo situation for sending federal relief or aid to california in light of these fires. but following the signing of that, $2.5 billion relief effort by the governor yesterday, he acknowledged the

fact that he has been able to work with president trump on past occasions and get things done, and that is certainly the hope when they're facing an unprecedented recovery effort like this one. as far as any potential meeting that is not scheduled right now, mayor bass, we do not know her particular whereabouts as far as when it relates to the president's arrival here. but president trump certainly has not had positive things to say about governor newsom or the mayor's handling of this crisis. katie. >> no, he has not. morgan. chesky, thank you very much. joining us now is former fema administrator deanne criswell. really appreciate you coming on today. last time we spoke, i was standing where morgan was standing and we were talking about the disaster as it was unfolding. donald trump is going to go down there. he is talking now about getting rid of fema or making big changes at fema. this is something that ken cuccinelli outlined in project 2025. he was somebody who was involved in fema during the first trump

administration. the interesting thing about this is that there are other fema administrators who say that, yeah, the agency does need to be reformed. and yeah, maybe states should take a bigger part, a bigger role in it. craig. fugate. fugate, fugate, fugate is one of those folks. can you explain to me? i mean, if you were to make changes at fema, what would you do? >> well, i think, katie, one of the first things is there's just a big misunderstanding of what fema's role is and what fema does. you know, when i listen to some of the comments from earlier today about we should just give the states money, that it's their job. well, that is what fema does, right? we reimburse states for the costs that they incur when a presidential disaster declaration has been given. and so if you don't have fema, how is that level of coordination going to be done? and the other big piece of what we do is we coordinate all of the federal family. you know, these federal partners, like the army corps of

engineers or health and human services or urban search and rescue teams, they don't just show up on their own. and so how would that level of coordination happen if you don't have fema to be able to mission assign them and get them into where they're needed? i'm not saying that there's not changes that are needed. we made a lot of changes over the last four years to try to remove some of the bureaucracy, and we made great strides in that. there is always room for improvement, but it needs to start with a conversation with governors and state directors on what they have troubles with, so we can hear from them. to better understand how you would make changes, instead of just making blanket statements that they should just go away. >> so if we're going to look at maybe the precedent or the background for what donald trump said today, i think it's i think it is important to look at project 25 because so much of these aims were outlined in it. and so ken cuccinelli writes about how shifting more of the costs to the states for smaller disasters is a good idea. he also talks about a blueprint for a disaster deductible, which

reduces federal aid to states. that would, i guess, in some someone's estimation, fail to protect their communities against disasters. and the goal, they say, is to have states and governors and local municipalities take a more proactive role and saying, hey, maybe you shouldn't be building in this area or hey, you need to use these sorts of materials in a fire zone, that sort of thing. and so if the states and the cities aren't already doing that, then they wouldn't get as much of these resources from from the federal government. >> well, i think one of the things, katie, that's important is some of that work already happens. we require fema requires states to have hazard mitigation plans, which talk about how they are going to increase the level of resiliency within their communities in order to be eligible for public assistance dollars for the fema programs. and so part of that already exists. and there have

been a lot of conversations back with craig fugate about a disaster deductible that the past administrators and the trump administration, all of these are good concepts, but they have to be thought through with the states, with the governors, to understand what their overall needs are and how they would apply that. and i think my concern with rushing into something like this is that you would have states that have resources to, to support these events, the cities and the communities that have enough resources that would be able to implement this probably easily. but smaller states, smaller communities that aren't well resourced, they're not going to be able to implement this. and what will happen then is they won't recover. they become more vulnerable to future events. and then where does the federal government step in? >> point well taken on that. deanne criswell, thank you so much for joining us. such a major disaster there in california. and it's just going to cost so, so, so much money. thank you very much. coming up next, hamas is going to release

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>> so, katie, we were expecting hamas to release four female israeli soldiers tomorrow. they're known as the watchtower girls. they were unarmed observers at a watchtower on the israel gaza border when they were kidnaped on october 7th. you're seeing them there on your screen. obviously a great source of joy for their families, this news that they are coming out. but some concern inside the israeli government. there are still two female israeli civilians inside gaza who were supposed to come out. it is not clear at this point why they are not part of this tranche. as you said, some 200 palestinian prisoners are being released. some of them are serving long prison sentences, and we expect that some of them are going to be deported to third countries. so that could be turkey, could be qatar. katie, we had a chance to catch up with a friend of emily demar. she's one of the three women who came out on sunday. and we asked her. we asked this friend about the moment that he first saw her in

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