qualify at rokotov. >> a good day. >> to all of you from msnbc. >> world headquarters. >> here in new york. welcome, everyone. to alex witt reports. we begin with breaking news on this day six of the trump administration. the senate has just confirmed kristi noem as homeland security secretary, and pete hegseth is sworn in as secretary of defense. his reaction? new reaction to his appointment today from his former sister in law, who claimed his behavior caused his second wife to fear for her safety. she says in part, quote, i was promised that my statement on the record would corroborate other accusations and make a difference in key votes, but in the end it did not. the involved in the decisions leading to this confirmation perpetuated the mechanisms, including gag orders and fear of retaliation, that keep women silent. we're going to have more

on the senate vote in just minutes for you. also, more breaking news. a mass firing of government agency watchdogs, more than a dozen inspectors general terminated with immediate effect. we've got a live report on that in just a moment for you. and new reaction to president trump's first week building a framework for promised mass deportations, and the fear that is rippling across cities as a result of resumed workplace raids by ice. >> if president trump is talking about deporting people like the mayor said, violent criminals, murderers, no one is standing in the way of that. the state of new jersey has never stood in the way of that. but in order to get to the types of numbers of removals that he is talking about, you're going to have to target people who have done nothing wrong here. >> also, new reaction today to trump's head spinning rash of executive orders, including his attack on the constitutional right of birthright citizenship. >> the people. >> who drafted this aren't

dummies. >> they're doing this for a reason. it doesn't make sense legally, but it makes. perfect sense from the standpoint of great. >> replacement theory. >> they may not win this round, but they want to keep on pounding at the door. >> of new and developing stories at this hour. we've got correspondents and analysts in place to cover it all for you. i want to start with nbc's julia jester on capitol hill. so, julia, welcome. kristi noem confirmed for homeland security secretary just a short time ago after that really close call for pete hegseth, his defense secretary, last night. so what's the general reaction and what's next? >> yeah. >> alex, we are already having. >> a senate saturday. with lawmakers coming. >> in today to secure that. >> nomination confirmation. >> vote for. >> kristi noem. >> for dhs secretary. but as you mentioned, the senators were here late last night confirming pete hegseth, which was the second time in history that

there had to be a tie breaking vote from the vp for a cabinet level nominee. the only other time that happened was vice president pence, for betsy devos for education secretary. and so it was a really contentious situation for a while there. and senator schumer, the leader, came to the floor earlier today to express his reaction to the confirmation of hegseth. take a listen. >> last night, senate republicans entrusted the most powerful military in the world to someone with no experience, terrible judgment, and serious flaws of character. this is a deeply troubling moment, i hope. i hope, for the sake of our troops and the good of our country, that he can eventually grow into the job. senate democrats will insist on vigorous oversight of the defense department. >> now. >> a surprising no vote that led

to that tie breaker was from senator mitch mcconnell, who released a statement about his no vote, saying in part, effective management of the defense department is a daily test with staggering consequences for the security of the american people and our global interests. mr. hegseth has failed as yet to demonstrate that he will pass this test. but as he assumes office, the consequences of failure are as high as they have ever been. and so today you saw some aisle crossing for the votes here with some democratic senators on board for kristi noem's nomination, including some from purple states like new hampshire's senators hassan and shaheen, and michigan senators slotkin and peters. so that was a bipartisan vote to confirm kristi noem. senator tim kaine telling us that he typically allows presidents to appoint their cabinets without interference unless they fail the qualification or character test. and so as we move ahead, a procedural vote also happened

today for scott bessent for treasury secretary. so his confirmation vote is on monday. and then sean duffy with transportation will be up next. so they're really trying to get this these cabinet members in place alex. >> yeah. but i find it interesting. the common thread of these most two most divisive cabinet nominees, both of them donald trump's. julia, stay with me because i'm going to have more questions for you. let's right now bring in nbc's yamiche alcindor, who's traveling with the president. she's in las vegas. yamiche, welcome to you. you have new reporting on the trump administration firing multiple inspectors general. what can you tell us? >> well. >> that's right. >> president trump fired at. >> least 12. >> inspector generals in the federal. >> government. >> according to. >> a senior. administration official. now, our understanding is that these firings were made because the officials and the white house wants to get rid of officials that don't align with the trump presidency, is what one source told me. we were told that the department of justice,

as well as the department of homeland security inspector generals, remain in place, but that the others, a number of others, have been fired. we also are trying to understand the legal justification for this, because right now it remains murky. i was talking to a senior white house official who told me that they believe that these decisions happen with legal counsel looking over them, but they are checking with the white house counsel's office. they also told me that they believe that they did not break the law, that the trump administration did not break the law in these firings, though, again, that's all being reviewed. but there was a recent law that was passed that said that the white house was supposed to give congress 30 days notice before firing an inspector general. so there's going to be possibly a fight here, alex. >> yeah, i would expect so. we know that the president spoke about the confirmation of pete hegseth for secretary of defense. what did he say? yamiche. >> that's right. well, as you know, pete hegseth was confirmed with a tie breaking vote from the vice president. president trump, just hours or just a few minutes after that vote reacted,

he was celebrating. take a listen to what he said. >> i think pete is going to be a great secretary of defense. >> are you. disappointed that. >> mcconnell voted no? >> i didn't even know that. no, i don't know that. i just heard that we won. winning is what matters, right? >> just a few hours ago, pete hegseth was sworn in. vice president jd vance actually took a question while that swearing in was going on. a reporter asked, why should women trust? why should women in the armed services trust, pete hegseth, given the allegations that he has denied, though, but of sexual assault and abuse. the vice president issued a full throated response. he said all people in armed services should trust him because he looks out for them. he's going to fight for them. he's going to make sure that we have the kind of military that we can all be proud of. so the trump administration certainly is excited and happy that pete was able to make it through. but we should note that this was only the second time in history that

there had to be a tie breaking vote for a cabinet official. alex. >> yeah, absolutely. the other being betsy devos in the first trump administration. yamiche, stay right there. because joining us right now, we have peter baker, msnbc political analyst, chief white house correspondent for the new york times, and, of course, coauthor of the divider trump in the white house, 2017 to 2021. so, peter, there's a lot to sort through. first up, mitch mcconnell defecting on the hegseth vote with a very strongly worded statement. did that surprise you? and does it matter? i mean, what are the implications of pete hegseth managing a department of 3 million people with a budget of $1 trillion? >> yeah. >> i. >> think even. >> for senator. >> mcconnell. >> this was a step too far, right? >> mcconnell. >> as the leader, felt the need. >> to. >> you know, in some ways deliver nominations to a president of his party. he is no longer the leader. and so, in some ways, he is liberated and he is able to say what he wants to say. he was one of the senators, republican senators,

who made clear that he would not vote for matt gaetz, which is one of the reasons why matt gaetz had to step aside as trump's nominee for attorney general. he obviously voted yesterday against pete hegseth. at the same time, you know, he's not bringing a lot of people with him. he's not rallying other senators to join him in opposition. he's not in that sense, you know, say like a john mccain who was willing to be more vocal and more outspoken in opposing trump. what he did was last night say, i can't accept this, and i hope that he grows into the job. it's a diplomatic way of saying no, but he did say no. >> okay, what about peter? late friday, donald trump reportedly firing 17 inspectors general, which which are essentially internal watchdogs. what is the effect of that? and might it be a violation of federal law? >> well, look, trump in his first term made clear he didn't particularly like people who were independent minded and didn't report to him who were monitoring these executive departments and executive agencies for abuse or, you know,

misconduct. he quarreled with a number of these inspectors general and in fact, fired a number of them in his final, you know, time in office as well. but this is the first mass purge we've seen like this. and the congress had anticipated this, tried to head this off. they passed a law in 2022 saying that a president can't simply dismiss these inspector generals who are meant to be independent without giving cause and giving a 30 day notice to congress, neither of which he's done here. so he is in defiance, at least of that law at this point. we'll see if anybody, you know, holds them accountable in that way. but it's not the first thing he's done in the in the last week since he's taken office, in which he seems to be in contravention of federal law. >> yeah. yamiche, two headlines meanwhile, this week that you have very closely watched trump effectively wiping out dea roles and also signing an executive order proclaiming there are only two sexes, male and female. what is the effect of these two sweeping moves, and what's been

the reaction? >> well. >> i'll start with the dea moves. the moves are really to eliminate all positions related to dei work, and from my understanding, just yesterday and we put this story up online. the office of personnel management sent out a note that said that those employees who had been on paid leave as of wednesday, that the agencies can now be in the process of permanently terminating them within the law. i'd say within the law, because there are some career officials that do work with dei. so it's going to be interesting to see whether or not the trump administration can get can do away with those officials, unlike a political appointees, which who can be fired pretty easily. those career officials have protections. but this is really part of a sweeping agenda. and really, president trump thinks that he's keeping a campaign promise to do away with dei when it comes to the gender and identity portion of this. my understanding and talking to legal experts are that now you're going to have government documents, as well as government websites that are going to say there are only two biological sexes, male and female, that could create complications for

transgender americans, especially transgender americans who have passports that have the gender x or another gender on them, because those people could actually be detained trying to get back into the united states and be told that they have to go to the state department to get a new passport or new government id that has the gender and has either male or female on there. so there are a lot of people who are critical of this. but again, this is something else that president trump had talked about on the campaign trail. he as long as his supporters also believe that this is the right way forward for america. so definitely another thing to watch there closely, alex. >> yeah, i tell you, it's probably going to have to be birth certificates. you have to show proof when getting a passport, and it will have to reflect that which is set on the birth certificate. let me move to you, juliette, because democrats have pressed cabinet nominees on valuing diverse workplaces. but will any of the of them rather actually push back on that? >> well, the cabinet nominees have all said that they will enact president trump's agenda, which, as yamiche clearly stated, involves getting rid of

dei initiatives. but democratic lawmakers have gotten a little creative in pressing these cabinet nominees to basically argue, are you saying that diverse workforces and well qualified workforces are those ideas at odds with each other and rather use the phrase dei? it's more so about having people in those positions where, you know, for example, in brooke rollins, agriculture secretary hearing, senator warnock was saying, you know, communities of color would love to have liaisons that understand their experience. and so kind of taking away the targeted language of that, because all they can do is message they have no power in this gop controlled congress. >> alex. okay, peter, i want to move now to a couple of somewhat surreal scenes. first, you have governor gavin newsom waiting on the tarmac at lax for donald trump to deplane. and then the at times contentious news conference with california officials. can you put those

scenes into perspective? give us a punctuation of sorts on this first week under trump. how do you interpret all of it? >> well, of course, it's fascinating because he has been, from a long distance, very critical of california officials, including governor newsom, who he likes to call governor newsom, because that's very clever. and, yeah, you know, he has used them as a whipping boy to try to say, well, this is all about democratic governance and the failure of blue states like california. of course, he gets there. and it's, you know, they at least have something of a of a polite exchange there on the tarmac. but the visual of that has kind of caught a lot of attention. you know, people saw newsom in effect, you know, not deferring, not, you know, kowtowing to the president. and there was sort of a, you know, a interpretation of kind of a dominance dance there who's really the one in charge, who's really the alpha male there on the tarmac. and that's what it's

come to already in this, in this presidency, who holds on to who's hands longer, and what does it say about the relationship and the power dynamics? of course, president, united states is the one with the real power. and he made that clear yesterday. he said at one point to karen bass, the mayor, he says, you know, we'll get you aid. i mean, assuming you want it, meaning that he, of course, is the one who will determine that, or at least he in congress. and i think that, you know, we saw this a little bit in his first term as well, where disaster relief was based, at least in part on his feelings about the politics of the situation. he was very critical of puerto rico, didn't want to give them disaster money after hurricanes, but was, you know, as he did yesterday, much more attentive to north carolina, where he feels like he's got a lot more support politically. >> it's extraordinary the prospect of cherry picking support for americans that are in trouble. really remarkable. all three of you. thank you so much, julia. yamiche, peter, good to see you. coming up next, what's the point? what to make of this headline? trump reverses

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positions and perhaps went unnoticed by supervisors. all dei employees are being placed on paid leave for now. trump also revoked the equal employment opportunity act of 1965, which prohibited government contractors from discriminating based on race, gender or national origin. and joining me now is minnesota representative angie craig. she is also the ranking member of the house agriculture committee. representative craig, i'm glad to see you. let's get into this because republicans claim getting rid of these initiatives will promote merit based assessment. is that realistic and what is the real world impact? >> well. >> before i came to. >> congress and that. >> was only. >> six years ago. >> it's great to be with you this afternoon. i worked. in two health. care businesses for almost 22 years. >> and. >> you know, the point of these programs is really to expand. the number of. >> people of. >> underrepresented groups. >> in your. >> community that have access.

>> to these positions. >> qualified people. the irony of. >> eliminating some of these programs, which really only expand the pool of people while having pete hegseth be appointed the secretary of defense in our country has been a really astounding week. i think even members of congress have had to take a bit of a beat this week, take a breath with the flurry of executive orders, and at the end of the day, i hope we all realize that those executive orders and the flurry of them, that is the point of this, what they didn't do at all this week in congress was anything to lower the cost of groceries or health care, or the cost of housing or anything like that. so let's buckle up and get ready to fight. >> let me pick up on that, because as many executive actions on day one included reversing several biden administration actions on health care, like the efforts to lower

prescription drug costs for medicare and medicaid recipients, enhancing the affordable care act. experts say most people won't be directly impacted because many initiatives weren't yet implemented. but are you concerned that trump appears to be taking actions that will hurt rather than help everyday americans? maybe just because biden's name was attached to them? >> well, i think that's exactly what's happening. and look, you're talking to a member of congress who worked with this president when he was president, before he signed four of my bills into law. so this isn't a matter of just arbitrarily disagreeing with donald trump. we passed a bill that would cap generic drugs for folks who are on medicare by at $2, we pass bills that would cap the cost of prescription drugs for america's seniors. at $2,000 a year. we fix something called the family glitch, which allowed more americans access to health insurance. we extended the affordable care act tax credits. those need to be extended again,

or health care costs are going to go up. what i note is many of the executive actions this week, and much of the rhetoric from the administration to, to start, at least had nothing to do with lowering costs for americans. and i am completely focused on this, and i think this is where democrats have to be focused. >> look, i know that you're also working on final negotiations on the farm bill. it got a one year extension. that was last year. so explain why this bill is important and what it's all about and is bipartisan bipartisanship rather going to get this thing done? >> well, it's the only way it gets done is on a bipartisan basis with a two seat majority for three months and maybe a couple of new members on the republican side. and a few more months. republicans simply don't have the votes for a farm bill. in fact, you've got 30 to 50 republicans who are never going to vote for a farm bill. i think we can get it done if we come

together and work across the aisle. i certainly am optimistic and look forward to working to my with my republican colleague g.t. thompson, who i'll be with on sunday here in at the farm bureau panel. so i'm looking forward to working with him. but it's going to be tough if they come after the nutrition title as part of the budget reconciliation process. not only is that going to take away much needed funding for hungry kids and seniors and veterans, but let's not forget that that program supports the crops that producers grow and it supports ranchers. it supports the truck drivers that drive the food to the grocery store and the clerks that put it on the shelves. so that program is part of the farm bill. and we need to understand that our food supply chain is completely tied to the farm bill. and there's all kinds of other things. alex, mass deportation is lead to.

>> i want to ask you about that because they are intertwined here. the first efforts of trump's mass deportation plans, they've been carried out. there are concerns that could impact the farming industry. you have senator dick durbin, who asked trump's nominee for secretary of agriculture about that, citing estimates that up to 40% of farm workers are undocumented. listen to this. >> can we. expect this. administration to be raiding farms and going after the immigrant farm workers? >> the president's. vision of a. >> secure border and a mass deportation at a scale that. >> matters is. something i support. >> my commitment is. >> to work with all of you, to work to. >> solve and do everything we can to make sure. >> that. >> none of these farms or dairy producers are put out of business. >> but how how big a concern is this? will prices go up for americans if the workforce is depleted? will farms risk going under without the manpower they rely on? >> i think that's the concern within the farm economy right

now, is that mass deportation is going to lead to higher prices for american consumers. and let us be clear here, we need to make sure that we have a secure border. i don't think anyone would argue that undocumented immigrants who commit crimes should be deported, but these are people who we rely on in our ag economy. and what my producers say is many of these people have extended have overstayed their paperwork. how do we make sure that people who are here, they're working, they're paying taxes, they're kids in our schools keeping our rural communities safe and our schools open. how can we begin to integrate them into our country? things like reforming the h-2a system so that more of them can be here in a documented fashion? that's what we got to do. we got to secure our borders, but we have to reform this broken immigration system that we're all living under today.

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the red cross in gaza city in a highly choreographed show of force. in exchange, israel has released 200 palestinian prisoners, all part of phase one of the delicate cease fire deal that went into effect last sunday. joining me now with nbc's raf sanchez in petah tikva in israel. so, raf, big welcome to you. tell us first more about the women released today and how phase one of this deal has been playing out overall. >> so alex, these are four female israeli soldiers. they are finally. >> free after. >> 477 days in captivity. and they are being treated on the sixth floor of this hospital behind me. you're seeing them there on your screen. that's the hospital where they are being treated. doctors here say they are in good condition, given that everything they've gone through, this is obviously the beginning of what is going to be a very long road to recovery for them. they're known, alex, in this country as the watchtower

girls, and that is because they are. they were unarmed soldiers who were taken captive at an observation point on the israel-gaza border on the morning of october 7th. na'ama levy their second from the right. on your screen, viewers may remember those just haunting images of her being paraded through the streets of gaza with what appears to be blood on her sweatpants. we had the opportunity to spend the morning with the family of larry elbagir. she's on the right of your screen there, and we sat with them as they waited in real time for news, anxiously watching israeli television as those images were broadcast from gaza. and i want to show you just a little bit of a conversation i had with one of her aunts. take a listen. >> it's a big moment for us, but. >> there are still. >> many lives. that were lost in

this war and on that day. we were so sorry for them. we recognize that all of them hospital, they get compensation. and they can all be happy like us. >> now, that might have been a little bit difficult to hear. the israeli national news was booming in the same room as we spoke to her, but she basically was saying that she is committed to seeing all of these hostages brought home. she wants all the families to share the joy that they are feeling today. >> yeah, there has certainly been that unifying feeling all across israel. but let me ask you about that time before the women were turned over to the red cross. ralph, there's this video of them smiling. they're surrounded by hamas fighters. talk to us about the absolute surrealness of these images because they seem happy. sure,

they're getting their freedom, but how much is staged here? you've reported on other released hostages, saying that their actual release was a terrifying moment for them. >> yeah. so today's release, quite different from what we saw last sunday. you might remember when we were on air together, alex, just these huge crowds last sunday, immediately surrounding the vehicles that the hostages were in, banging on the windows and freed hostages from the last exchange have told me that after october 7th itself, that was the most terrifying moment today, literally much more staged. hamas erected a stage in the middle of gaza city. it's covered in propaganda slogans. they marched those women in what we should say are costume uniforms. those are not actual israeli military uniforms. somebody went to the trouble of getting those and dressing these women up in them. they are smiling. they are waving to the crowd. and i think a couple of things can be true at once. i suspect that they fully

understood that they were about to be free. i suspect this was a happy moment for them, and they knew that the fact that they were up on this stage meant that they were also minutes away from being reunited with their families. but what other hostages who have been released in the previous exchange have said is at that point, you will do whatever it takes. smile, wave, hold up, props, whatever it takes to not agitate your captors and to finally get over the line to freedom. >> alex. >> i get that. okay. ralph sanchez, thank you so much, my friend. making sense of the january 6th pardons with one person who knows the story better than most. that is next. and later we'll talk about this headline about donald trump's first week with congressman seth moulton of the armed services moulton of the armed services committee. have you always had trouble with your weight? same. discover the power of wegovy®. with wegovy®, i lost 35 pounds. and some lost over 46 pounds. and i'm keeping the weight off. i'm reducing my risk.

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of law? >> yeah, i mean, so jason, as well as ashley, who i also spoke to, who actually departed the justice department on on friday, it really expressed sort of frustration that there was not the same level of, of reality that was happening inside of those courts that wasn't necessarily reflected in the public discourse around january 6th, because you had these efforts to, i think, successfully undermine the true story about what happened on january 6th by focusing on some of these more minor issues and conspiracy theories and sort of, you know, making this sort of a controversial thing rather than the way everybody felt about january 6th, immediately after it happened, when there's a lot more unity that that was a bad thing. and i think, you know, in the four years afterwards, those cases would keep going on. and, you know, there were some attention, certainly on the bigger trials. but it was such a massive investigation that i think, you know, eventually sort of the narrative that the i think outside the politics was creating eventually overwhelmed the reality of what was happening inside of those courtrooms. >> give me a sense of the

conversation. when you spoke with former capitol police officer michael fanone, who was seriously injured on january 6th, because this week he filed for protective orders against five individuals who brutally assaulted him that day. but service advocates at trump's doj refused to give him any information on his assailants, telling him he's no longer a victim. >> yeah, that's right. and that's a case that's been the case for other officers who were assaulted as well, because, you know, they aren't allowed to get info now on the perpetrators of those crimes against them because those individuals have been pardoned. and, you know, certainly i think it makes sense in terms of, you know, the justice department and how they handle things, that this isn't an active case anymore, that sort of thing. but, you know, i think that that sends sort of a shocking message when you hear that sort of language from a justice department official. i think there are justice department officials who are deeply, deeply, deeply disturbed by this. i had individuals tell me that signing those notes of dismissal or motions for dismissal to a federal judge, even though they knew full well that those cases were well supported by the facts and the law and the evidence was

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>> new today, pete hegseth installed a short time ago as secretary of defense vice president j.d. vance wearing headsets in after casting the tiebreaking vote last night. the senate confirmation rather confirming hegseth on friday, dismissing accusations of inexperience, drinking problems and alleged mistreatment of women. all democrats voted against hegseth, as did three republicans lisa murkowski, susan collins and mitch mcconnell. joining me now, democratic congressman from massachusetts, our friend seth moulton. he is a member of the house armed services committee. congressman, always good to have you on the show. so let's get into this. i want your reaction to the senate confirming pete hegseth, the secretary of defense. and did your republican colleagues take the accusations against him seriously? >> it's a sad. >> day for. >> our military. >> for our. >> department of defense. >> we've never had. >> a less qualified. >> secretary of defense than been pete hegseth.

>> and he's. >> not just unqualified because he has no experience running a large organization, because the last time he ran a nonprofit, he ran it into financial ruin. he's unqualified because he's morally unqualified to lead our troops to tell our troops that it's worth risking their lives for things. he's someone who has consistently injected politics into our military, something that is sacred to the united states to keep separate. military and politics don't mix. when i served with marines in iraq, it didn't matter what background they came from, what political party they voted for, who they'd like to see in the next election. none of that mattered because lives were on the line. and yet, pete hegseth has literally written the book on putting politics into the military. so what we should be doing is praising the three gop senators who actually had the political courage to do the right thing, because i know a lot of others, people like dave mccormick and joni ernst, both veterans themselves who absolutely knew better, knew that pete hegseth was morally

unqualified to serve as secretary of defense. and yet they were more scared of donald trump. and so they voted for him. >> this from a man who was in the marines. you did four tours of duty in iraq. i'm curious when you talk about those republican colleagues that knew better, were there whispers admitting they knew better? but to your point, they were too afraid to go up publicly against donald trump. and let me also add that pete hegseth has denied all the allegations against him. so i want to go on the record for that. but did you hear republicans say we shouldn't be voting for him? >> but grace kelly is a good liar because he denies all these allegations. that's great. but yes, of course there were whispers. i mean, joni ernst was public with her concerns. she said initially that she wouldn't support him. he presented no evidence to the contrary. you know, nothing to really allay her concerns. in fact, as the confirmation process went

forward, more and more allegations emerged along the same lines. you know, where there's smoke, there's fire here. it's not like one woman accused him of sexual assault. there were multiple allegations from multiple people, including people he had relationships wit. and yet joni just caved. and that's really sad because i know her. i know she knows better. it was a very disappointing moment for me as a fellow veteran, to see people put aside their principle, their political courage, just because they were afraid that donald trump would attack him in a primary. and that's what's going on here. that's exactly what's going on. >> here's a question. it's a sobering one. if there is a military emergency, are you confident the new secretary of defense will know how to handle it? >> no, of course not. i mean, remember when tammy duckworth asked him about, like, just what are the asian nations in asean, an incredibly important organization in the south pacific, because that's where the greatest threat of a war

erupting is over taiwan, something that could literally start world war three. he knew nothing about it. he doesn't know anything about this stuff. you know, he's he's he served a little bit in the military, sometimes in a reserve status. and he's spent a career trying to inject politics into our dod as a fox news commentator. all right. the reason why trump wants someone like this in, in the secretary of defense position is because he can identify with someone who's a fellow perpetrator of sexual assault, who has no moral principles, someone whose loyalty is not to the united states or to the constitution, but just to whoever gives him a job. in other words, trump has found a stooge. that's what pete hegseth is. and that's not good for our troops. >> donald trump's national security advisor and your former colleague on the armed services committee, mike waltz, sent home

160 national security council aides this week as they conduct a review of personnel. and a source tells nbc news the goal is to ensure the nsc is staffed with individuals committed to fulfilling president trump's agenda. you released a statement. give me your response to this news. now, alex, let me let me be fair here, because mike waltz actually, i believe is a good american. he's a good veteran. he served honorably and he knows the right thing to do here. but again, he's just caving to donald trump. it is not safe for our nation to send home all the national security staff, especially during a presidential transition when we don't have all the formal folks installed yet, and therefore the staff that works behind the scenes every single day to keep our nation safe, to respond to crises, to anticipate things that are coming, you know, to say that, oh, you know, there's going to be a missile launch from north korea, but they're not shooting at us. they're

practicing. so therefore we don't have to initiate a nuclear war in response. i mean, these are really critical jobs that these folks do every single day. and waltz just sent them home. because of what? because of politics? because he wants to make sure that their work is aligned with trump administration's politics. how about putting the country in our national security first? >> so as we discuss national security, i'm curious your reaction to trump pardoning the january 6th rioters. that includes violent offenders. >> they're just criminals. i mean, alex, how would you feel if i was actually just sort of in my small town, 20,000 people where i grew up, right. and i was thinking about if we had a bunch of people who assaulted cops, who tried to kill cops, were convicted and put in prison for 18, 20 or more years, and then they just were released and walking around town. how would i feel? you know, would i feel good about having my kids walking down the street in that town? no. how do i feel about bringing my kids, my two daughters, to the capitol now, where daddy works? knowing that

oath keepers and proud boys are roaming around our capitol and they have been the past week. i mean, as soon as they got out of prison, they were roaming around the capitol looking for some of the same people they assaulted on january 6th. does that make anyone feel good? no. this is supposed to be a country of laws where you respect the law, where no one is above the law, where you don't release people from prison for politics. that's what. >> trump did. >> congressman seth moulton, always appreciate your time with us. and i do so again today. thank you. we have breaking news. there's some drama on the great lakes at this hour, where the coast guard has just freed a cargo ship stuck in the icy waters of lake erie for days. now, let's go to nbc's shaquille brewster, who is following this for us. shaq, what's happened here? what are the details? and how did the coast guard go about freeing this ship? >> yeah, alex, this is something we've been watching all morning long. >> we'll go. >> back to those live pictures

there. >> because what we do know. >> is that that. >> massive canadian. >> vessel vessel. >> the manitoulin, it's been stuck since earlier this week. and what you've been seeing is the coast guard, both us coast guard and the canadian coast guard. you've been seeing some of those smaller ships work to free it from this ice in lake erie. the buffalo's harbor manager estimates that the ice is about 3 to 4ft thick in the areas in which this was stuck. now we know 17 crew members were on board. we know that this was never truly an emergency in the sense that this crew had food, they had fuel, they had electricity on board. but we saw this dance kind of take place where you saw some of the smaller coast guard vessels go through and try to cut through that ice and then allow this massive ship that's about the size of two football fields, larger than two football fields go through and essentially pick up its power so it can use its own momentum to go through and cut through the rest of the ice. so we're watching that video

now. we believe that it is. it looks to be free. the coast guard has not said that. i talked to them just about 30 minutes ago. they say this is still an ongoing mission, but you see it making progress. you're seeing it move much more quickly and much further than it has before, since it's been stuck earlier this week. >> wow. >> that isng else. okay, shaq, thank you for keeping an eye on that for us. we appreciate you bringing breaking news to us. meantime, what to make of new military action at want to get the most out of one sheet? make of new military action at the southern border in our grab bounty. (♪♪) bounty is made to be stronger... ...and more absorbent. so, while ordinary brands can't hold up, one sheet of bounty keeps working, even when wet. (♪♪) now that's the sound of value. bounty. the quicker picker upper.

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