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>> plus. >> michigan secretary of state jocelyn. >> benson is here. she officially enters the. race for governor. i'm going to ask. >> her about. >> her campaign promise. >> to. >> stand up to bullies and billionaires. >> and israel. shifts its focus to the west. >> bank just. days after a. >> cease fire agreement. i'm ayman mohyeldin. >> let's do it. >> donald trump's. >> allies vowed. >> a campaign. >> of shock. >> and awe. as soon as he returned to the. >> oval. >> office, and in just a matter of days. >> he is already followed through on. that chaotic promise. >> in a late night purge, trump fired more than a dozen inspectors general in the federal government. across multiple departments. >> a trump official said. >> the move. >> was an effort. >> by the. >> president to let go of parts of the biden administration that don't. >> align with the new administration, whatever that means. one of those fired. inspectors general was mark lee

greenblatt, who served. >> as. >> the interior department's inspector general. >> here's what he. >> told my colleague. >> yamiche alcindor just. >> earlier today. >> well, it was a mix of emotions, frankly. it was everything from. disappointment to sadness. the key question here is, is who does the president. appoint in. >> the. >> place of the. >> igs that he's removed? we are. >> the. >> we're so-called watchdogs inside. >> the. federal agency. >> so does he. appoint true watchdogs or. >> does. >> he appoint lapdogs? now, the firings came hours. after trump's. defense secretary nominee, former. fox weekend host. >> pete. >> hegseth, was narrowly confirmed in the senate after his nomination was nearly. >> derailed by. >> scandals, including allegations, of course. >> of sexual assault, which. >> he had denied. it was. >> only the. >> second time in u.s. history that a vice president was required. >> to break. >> a tie for a cabinet level nominee. hesketh's confirmation was aided in part by the influential conservative think

tank the heritage foundation, which of course pressured gop. >> senators to. >> get him over the finish line. trump's pick to head the department of homeland security, kristi noem, was also confirmed today in the senate. noem has been a vocal supporter of trump's most hard line immigration policies, and that, of course, includes birthright citizenship, which the. >> president has attempted. >> to end through. executive action. just a matter of days, trump has pumped out more than. >> 50 executive. >> orders, many of which seem straight out of a conservative blueprint. we've long been warning about on this show, the heritage foundation's dystopian project 2025. now, according to a new analysis from time, nearly two thirds of the executive actions trump has issued so far actually. >> mirror or. >> partially mirror proposals from the 900 page document, ranging from sweeping deregulation. measures to aggressive immigration reform. trump's order suspending the u.s. refugee admissions program. it aligns with project 2020 five's recommendation for an

indefinite curtailment of refugee admissions. >> trump's decision. >> to pull the u.s. out of the paris climate agreement. well, yep, that one also follows a proposal in the conservative document that called for shutting down the agency's offices, programs and directives designed to advance the paris climate agreement. and then there was. >> trump's decision to reverse. >> former president biden's executive order that would allow transgender. >> people to serve in the military. >> you see where i'm going with this? it's also in project. >> 2025. >> and this influence isn't just limited to executive orders. no. >> in fact. >> yesterday, trump repeatedly proposed getting rid of the federal emergency management agency or, as we know it, fema saying disaster relief should be left. up to. >> the states while. >> we are in. >> the middle of multiple natural disasters. >> now, project 2025. >> has also called. >> for reforming fema spending by shifting the majority of preparedness and response costs to states and localities.

>> instead of the. >> federal government. one week in. donald trump isn't hiding it anymore. this is officially the project 2025 presidency. and now that he's in the white house. >> he doesn't care. >> who knows? remember, on the campaign trail, he said he'd never heard about it. he didn't know anything about it. well, now the question is, what are the democrats going to. >> do about it? >> let's bring in my panel. joining me. >> now. is jennifer. >> horne, former new hampshire republican party chair and host of the. is it just me or have we all lost our minds podcast. and basil smikle, msnbc political analyst and professor of practice at columbia university. it's great to have both of you with us. jennifer, i'll start with this very troubling late night purge last night. let me play for you and our viewers what the minority leader, chuck schumer, just said about this earlier. >> watch. >> donald trump's. >> decision to fire 12 of the federal. >> government's independent. >> watchdogs is. >> a glaring. >> sign that it's a golden age. for abuse in. >> government and even

corruption. >> when government agencies. >> disobey the. >> law in the next year. and there's. >> no. >> independent ig to keep. >> them in check. >> donald trump could well. >> regret this action. >> bethel. >> why? >> i mean, jennifer, give me your thoughts. >> on that reaction first, and. >> then i'll get basil's thoughts on it as well. >> go ahead jennifer. >> well. >> i think that chuck. >> schumer made a really important point there. probably the most important point about all of this. >> is. >> that these are people who. are these. >> are positions. >> that serve to provide oversight as watchdogs. >> one of your earlier. clips talked about. trump wants. >> to install lap dogs, not. >> watch dogs. >> so the folks that he's. purging are kind of the eyes and ears. >> for the american people. >> in government making sure that, you know, to oversee that there, whether it's corruption, waste, abuse, you know, all of any kind. however, this shouldn't be. >> a. >> surprise to anybody. he's essentially doing it. he's, as

always, exactly what. >> he said he was going to do. >> this is the project 2025 donald trump administration. and what we have seen in this. insane pace of destructive executive orders over this first week, we need to brace ourselves. this is only the beginning. this is just. >> the cornerstone. >> of what the real corruption and destruction is going to be over the next four years. >> so i give it to me. >> from a democratic strategist point of view, the question that i was posing more broadly here, what can democrats realistically do. as they see this influx of, you know, action that is beginning to, you know, effectively curtail our democracy and maybe kind of begin to break it up a little bit. >> yeah. >> you know, for a period of time after the election, folks were saying that democrats were in a bit of a malaise, which i never believed and never sort of understood. what democrats are

is looking hyper local. there's a macro and then there's a micro sort of pushback and resistance in the 2.0. the macro is a lot of what you'll see in d.c. it is chuck schumer speaking on it in the ways that he has. it's democrats trying to determine, given the fact that we don't seem to have checks and balances in our system right now, what can we do in the house and the senate to be able to at least, you know, kind of fill those, those voids, plug some of those holes. so at least there's a little there's enough pushback to, you know, so that things just don't happen sort of automatically in the way trump wants it to. but then there's another there's a micro. it's what happens when democrats go hyper local. and i talk about this all the time. most people the policy that affects most people's lives occurs at the state and local level. if the pushback, if the resistance, if you will, is making sure that someone like attorney general tish james or the secretaries of state that are elected across the country that they have, that they can stay in those seats and offer that kind of resistance,

even locally. all of that really helps. but that work needs to be happening right now as they as we start to get into the midterms in a relatively short period of time. yeah, i was going to say, yeah, i think i think it's a macro and a micro kind of approach. >> i think we're at the moment and we're already one week in where we have to break. the glass in case of an emergency. you know, those things that you see on the train when you have the handle and it's like you got to you got to start doing something. i mean, i know we're a week in, but but this is exactly what trump wanted to do, which is like flood the zone, create the chaos and overwhelm the system in so many different ways that those who you know are trying to fight back are almost paralyzed. because where and when and how to fight back now becomes the challenge. jennifer, you had the head of the council of the inspectors general on integrity and efficiency, releasing a statement saying that the removals are a significant threat to the actual and perceived independence of

igs. some fired watchdogs now say that anyone put in these positions in the future will automatically, no matter who it is, will be viewed as a loyalist. and that's. >> extremely dangerous. and it's dangerous. you know, basil is talking about the micro macro level on the addition, you know, from a little different perspective. this is extremely dangerous when you look at it from the macro level, the highest, the highest level of what the impact could be. this is going to have an impact not just on individual policies in the next two years or four years. it's going to have a long lasting impact on the trustworthiness of democracy and the trustworthiness of any elected leader going forward, republican or democrat. and, you know, it's and we could talk about the specifics of what this means in this moment in specific policy and specific issues. but

what really, i think surprises me to a little bit, to a small degree, with trump and his maga guys is that they have they're so short sighted on this. what do they think is going to happen the next time the democrats are in charge? the next time there is a democratic in president in the white house. it's so shortsighted for them politically that i'm almost shocked, except that everything about maga is so shortsighted. but from the point of the american people, it is a significant threat to how our government works, the stability and the ethical running of government in our country. >> basil, you and i are old enough to remember that on the campaign trail, you know, president trump denied and lied about knowing anything to do with project 2025 time. that piece that i was referencing, the time magazine article that i was referencing, says that two thirds of trump's executive actions now mirror those of project 2025. you had a white

house spokesperson responding to that article, saying trump had nothing to do with project 2025. we knew we were being gaslit at the time that he was saying it. when we saw the people who were involved in project 2025 just kind of hovering around the campaign. is there anyone in this country now that has doubt that this had always been the plan? >> they shouldn't have any doubt. i mean, jennifer, to jennifer's point earlier, when someone tells you who they are, believe them. and in this case, there's no reason not to believe that every aspect of that 900 and what 22 page document is, is there there's intentionality around implementing the people paid for it. they sponsored it. if you look at the document, look at all those organizations that sort of put their imprimatur on it. now, there is there is a real effort to make sure that that comes to fruition. and if there is an important point embedded in that, the point that donald trump is going to throw a lot of a lot of his decision making, a

lot of stuff against the wall to make people react because kind of the chaos is the currency there, right? but then there is the other stuff that happens beneath that, the sort of submerged policymaking that might not be for public consumption but is still going to exist. and that's why one of the reasons, one of the ways in which democrats can really, you know, sort of push back on this is to keep keep the country really informed at the little movements, the small things, what rfps are going out there that people are going to try to raise, apply for, to be able to do locally. what is the head of omb doing? like what are the, you know, all of those positions that we may not think of because they're not sort of sexy and don't get a lot of press, but all of those little things that government does that are submerged, really need to start coming to light. that's the that's one thing that democrats can really do. >> all right. >> jennifer basil, please stick around. >> we've got a lot more to discuss. >> next up, the january. >> 6th. >> pardons that have one police

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three times in the last. >> three elections. >> the largest police union in the u.s, the fraternal order of police, as well as the international association of chiefs of police, issued a statement that read in part, quote, when perpetrators of crimes, especially serious crimes, are not held fully accountable, it sends a dangerous message that the consequences for attacking law enforcement are not severe, potentially emboldening others to commit similar acts of violence. meanwhile, this is what trump said to reporters who asked him about granting clemency to rioters, including those convicted of brutal assaults on police. >> he planned to meet. >> with any of them or meet with them at the white house. >> i don't know, i'm sure that they probably would like to, i did. i did them something important, but what they did is they were protesting a crooked election. and, you know, i mean, people understand that also, and they were treated very badly. nobody's been treated like that. so i'd be open to it. >> jennifer and. >> basil are both back with me.

>> basil trump. still defending his pardoning after the rioters even after he was called out by these police unions. you know, i i'm reluctant to say that anything gets to donald trump, but it seems like this message is getting to donald trump because it seems that he overplayed his hand. >> yeah, he i. >> mean. >> he did, but but we also knew this was coming. yeah. and so and anybody that you. know i understand where the unions are, but they should not be surprised at the fact that he did this because he said he was going to do it. but i do want to focus on a partial part of their statement, which is the concern that it would, quote, embolden others to do harm to police officers. if you think about the ways in which republicans have been messaging against democrats, particularly around issues of crime, they always say that, you know, democrats don't know how to keep people safe. well guess what? you're the republican president and the white house just pardoned people who did something that would be unthinkable in any other time in

history. this is the 30th anniversary of the million man march. i was there, not one of us stormed the capitol. and you know what? we even cleaned up after ourselves. but if any of us had, i guarantee you i would not be sitting here talking to you today. but the fact that this has happened to those individuals for doing something that we all saw and we all thought was horrendous, is everything you need to know about not only who this administration is, but of the ways in which people have essentially capitulated to his will. >> yeah. >> and it also. >> it reveals how powerful rewriting history can be now with the with the way information and disinformation is in this country. and that is extremely dangerous when you think that this just happened in the span of four years, rebranding this event from an insurrection into a peaceful protest, as some have called it. jennifer, let me get your reaction from speaker mike johnson in this defense watch.

>> the president's made his decision. i don't second guess those. and yes, you know, it's kind of my ethos, my worldview. we believe in redemption. we believe in second chances. if you could, you would argue that those people didn't pay a heavy penalty, having been incarcerated and all of that. that's up to you. but the president's made a decision. we move forward. there are better days ahead of us. that's what we're excited about. we're not looking backwards. we're looking forward. >> speaking of capitulation and not having a spine, you know, i'm just curious to get your thoughts. you're a former republican. what is your reaction to seeing the republican speaker of the house talk about believing in second chances for rioters and insurrectionists who assaulted the police and tried to overthrow a democracy. >> and not second guessing an elected leader of the country. and looking forward. not mike johnson just established himself as the weakest, most pathetic, most hypocritical speaker of the house in the history of our country. and we're talking about

a history that included kevin mccarthy in that in that role. that is a shocking response from a republican, supposedly conservative speaker of the house. we are talking i think it's really important to emphasize this part of it. these pardons are not for people who were trespassing out on the front lawn carrying a sign. these are people who are convicted of seditious conspiracy. these are leaders of the proud boys. these are people who i think over 100 of them, 130 of them who attacked police officers and had their day in court. they weren't just rounded up and shipped off to jail. they all, you know, faced and had the access to the justice system in this country. and you made a comment when somebody, when you were basil referenced something about consequences or the cost of it. there is no cost to donald trump of to these pardons losing the faith of the police

association that has endorsed him three times, that means nothing to him. it's not like he's going to need their endorsement again in the future. and i am a an enormous, sincere supporter of law enforcement officers in our country of the law, the justice system and the law enforcement system in this country. but they gave donald trump permission to take this kind of ugly, undermining, dangerous action by endorsing him a second and third time. they unfortunately, whether they like it or not, they bear some of the responsibility here, too. >> yeah. >> i. >> was going. >> to say i. >> personally don't believe that mike johnson's. >> world view. >> allows for the redemption and forgiveness of a lot of young black men in prison in this. country right now that are not in further in furtherance of a political ideology of president trump. >> we all. >> know that. just the proud

boys. yeah, just the proud boys for mike johnson. they deserve a second chance. after attacking police officers who were protecting him at the capitol. it is shocking. at best, it is shocking. >> basil trump campaigned on backing the blue, obviously, and demonized people who were protesting on behalf of police brutality. it is clear the real message he sent with these pardons is that he'll back the blue only if they back him. >> well, it's if they back him. right. they'll he'll back who backs him. yeah. and that's what's so incredibly dangerous. let me go back to the redemption point. you know, i went to church to i went to catholic school for 12 years. i also believe in penance before forgiveness. >> right. >> shouldn't these people actually actually, you know, serve their time before we blanketly forgive them for doing something that for the rest of the country and for every democrat who's run around the country is so incredibly unthinkable that you would actually protect someone that

has harmed police officers. it's so troubling because, as you said, where is this this notion of redemption for black men? the in the. >> who can't even. >> vote. >> in florida. >> after serving their time. you know. >> the former central park five, now exonerated five. right. didn't even have the didn't even earn the respect enough of donald trump before he convicted. he condemned them to death. yeah. so what are we talking about? redemption for? for whom? what does that even mean these days? >> yeah. >> it's a joke when you hear mike johnson say it the way he did. and as you said, jennifer, not even second guessing, as if you're not allowed to second guess elected officials in this country. very north korean vibe there from speaker mike johnson, jennifer horne, michael's great to see the both of you. thank you as always. >> really appreciate it. >> thank you. michigan secretary of state jocelyn benson is running for governor. she's here to tell us how she would govern under a trump presidency.

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of state jocelyn benson had some strong words this week about trump's pardons for january 6th rioters. in a statement, she wrote no matter our politics, we should all be able to agree that the tragedy at our u.s. capitol on january 6th is to be condemned, and those who broke the law should be held accountable. now, for benson, this goes beyond politics. it's actually deeply personal. a few weeks before january 6th, she and her four year old son were putting up christmas decorations when dozens of armed protesters showed up outside her home shouting stop the steal! benson told npr, quote, my job as the state's chief election officer is to protect and defend our voters, every single one of them, regardless of how they vote. so my mind focused on that, and then my heart focused on my kid. luckily, benson and her family were safe, but this wasn't the first time a michigan official had become a target. just weeks earlier, a group of far right men were charged for plotting to kidnap michigan

governor gretchen whitmer and stormed the state capitol there. fast forward to today. governor whitmer is now gearing up to leave office, and benson is hoping to take her place as michigan's next governor. gubernatorial candidate jocelyn benson joins me now. it's great to have you back on the show. thank you so much for joining us. tell me why, madam secretary, you decided to choose to run for governor. and if elected, how would you govern under the threat of a trump presidency? >> well, thanks for having me. and, you know, we're in this era of misinformation and lies where leaders, particularly leaders coming from the states, have a responsibility to speak the truth and ensure an honest, transparent, accountable government that can work for everyone. and so i love my job. i run the one of the state's largest agencies, serving every one of our 10.5 million residents, making sure their voices are heard, their votes count, and they can get good customer service. and i want all of government to work that well. but in a moment like this, where you see powerful billionaires

and even the president of the united states still peddling lies and using rhetoric that they may not mean to back up with actions, but still make people feel incredibly unsafe, anxious and worried in their own homes. we need state officials, governors, to stand clearly in the line of fire and say, not on our watch. will you harm our residents, take away our rights and freedoms, or do anything to harm the economic security and prosperity of our states? and to me, that's that's the job of the governor in this moment. and that's a job i'm ready to do. >> are you at all concerned? because i think it can be argued that what happened to you and governor whitmer were signals that an event like january 6th, not only was it coming, but now we have seen is rewarded with a presidential pardon. and that may encourage other people, like those who showed up at your house in furtherance of a political ideology that you know, was ascribed to the president of stopping this deal and, you know, fake elections and all that. the big lie. do

you think that pardons like those that we just saw are going to create, unfortunately, more threats against public officials like yourself? >> yes, they will undoubtedly. i mean, the pardoning was such a stunningly callous disregard for law and order. and in rooted in. still this lie about the 2020 election, which has long been proven to be an accurate reflection of the will of the people. i think, you know, the action was an affront to democracy. it's an affront to everything we are as americans, and it will potentially create or reinforce an uptick in violence and threats to election officials and others who are simply just trying to do our jobs and make sure elections are safe and secure for everyone. so yes, the lack of accountability is a green light for folks to potentially repeat the tragedy of january 6th or worse in the communities around our country. but folks like me and others are going to not stand for it. you know, i don't i don't care how powerful or how much money

someone has. when you come for the voice and the votes of our citizens, i will stand in the way every day proudly, because that is what our democracy requires. >> let me ask you, more broadly speaking, about the kind of election cycles that we find ourselves in. i mean, we're still doing the postmortem of this last presidential cycle. and yet here you are already announcing that we're running, that you're running. excuse me for a very important position in the state of michigan. are we just constantly in a state, our country and offices, constantly in a state of running in elections? is that because we need to raise insurmountable amounts of money to run? and that makes it that you're always out there campaigning as soon as one election is over, you already start thinking about the next one. i mean, why did you decide to announce now? maybe, is what i'm asking? >> well, a couple of things. first, the events of this week, starting on monday with president trump taking the oath of office and ascending to the presidency again, really did send a message, i think, to residents in many states across the nation. and it's one that

caused a lot of people a great deal of fear and anxiety and uncertainty over what the years ahead will look like. but i know in michigan, after the 2016 election, what we did next was elect the women of michigan, a trio of women, myself, gretchen whitmer and dana nessel. and we have stood steadfast to expand and protect reproductive freedoms and make sure democracy prevailed, while also cutting costs and make the making the economy work well for everyone. so in my view, 2024 does not determine what the next few years mean for our state or for our country. what determines that is what we all do next. what i'm doing next is running for governor of michigan, because i believe that government should work for everyone and should protect everyone and keep folks safe. and i think all of us can think about right now what we're going to do next in this moment, to protect and defend our rights and freedoms as americans, because that's what it's going to take to protect all of those rights and freedoms in the years ahead. >> you know, as i mentioned, we're still doing the postmortem on 2024. but as you look ahead to your own race, michigan is a very diverse state. you have

black constituents whose priority is the economy and police brutality. you have a lot of arab and muslim constituents who are impacted by what has happened in gaza and in lebanon and in the middle east. how do you message and how do you put an advance, an agenda that kind of meets all these issues that some would argue the vice president, kamala harris, was not successful in doing and was not able to win michigan because of it. >> you know, just before i joined you tonight, i was actually at an event in dearborn talking with local leaders, and i heard the same things that i've heard, talking to folks all across the state, either in northern michigan, the u.p, and detroit and grand rapids. there's a housing crisis in our state where everyone wants to be able to simply afford a home and live in the community that they want to call home. there's an economic crisis, and with our wages are stagnant and cost of living is increasing. no matter where anyone lives in the state or who they love or who they worship, those economic issues cut deep. and that's what we need, i believe, from a governor, from a leader and from government in total, to make sure we have the backs of

everyone in the state, that everyone feels safe, that you have an economy that works for you, that we're working to save people time, cut costs and make sure people can afford to live in the communities they want to live in. so that will be my job as governor. that's my commitment to every resident of the state, no matter who even they voted for democrats, republicans and independents. we're all in this together, and we can build a government and an economy that works for everyone. >> all right. >> secretary of state jocelyn benson, thank you so much. i look forward to having many more conversations with you in the months ahead. >> likewise. thanks for having me. and you can go to jocelyn benson.com to hear more about our work anytime. >> thank you. next up, why violence is breaking out in the west bank just days after a cease fire agreement. and next, our my panel will discuss how donald trump is trying to write diversity out of existence. that begins at 8 p.m. eastern. >> naturalness has organic broccoli, blueberries, and carrots. >> ours has polyethylene. >> glycol. >> vitamin e from sunflowers. >> red 40. >> lake. >> which is another.

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aerial footage shows the complete destruction of gaza, what was once home to more than 2 million palestinians. in the days after phase one. many of the survivors of the past 15 months returned to their towns to find everything destroyed. some also found the remains of dead relatives. the images that we're looking at are from the city of rafah. of course, you may remember our former president, joe biden, once said that doing anything in rafah was his red line. now, as you can see, rafah has been reduced to rubble. meanwhile, in one of his first acts, our new president, that of donald trump, rescinded american sanctions on the far right israeli settlers accused of violence against palestinians in the occupied west bank. and this, of course, coincided with benjamin netanyahu launching a major military operation across the occupied west bank, focusing in and around the town of jenin. israeli operations there have killed at least 12 palestinians

since tuesday and could threaten the gaza cease fire agreement, according to a un human rights office spokesman. but it's not just the israeli military that's on the attack in the west bank. violent extremist israeli settlers, some angry over the gaza ceasefire deal, have ramped up their attacks on defenseless palestinian citizens. this is footage that was captured on monday in the west bank, where local witnesses said that settlers burned three houses, a nursery and a local business. the palestinian red crescent said it treated 12 people who were beaten by those israeli settlers. it is important to keep in mind that this is in the west bank, more so than gaza, that the right wing netanyahu government actually covets. around 700,000 israeli settlers living among 2.7 million palestinians in the west bank and east jerusalem, land that israel seized in the 1967 middle east war. most countries and international legal bodies view the west bank as occupied palestinian territories, but

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timing can't be a coincidence, right? >> i absolutely. >> agree. >> and thank. >> you for. >> having me on this evening. i think it's clear that the israeli government isn't ending its war against the palestinian people, which is. ongoing throughout our entire region. it's only shifting its center. >> of operations to the west bank. >> and this entails several things, like you said, military operations like one, the one we saw in jenin with deadly attacks that that also use a lot of the tactics that have been used in gaza, apply them in the west bank, but also through enabling intense settler attacks. against palestinians throughout the west bank and. >> also massive. >> road closures and disrupting the lives of all palestinians living throughout. the west bank. about 3 million people. >> let me ask you specifically about the settlers. you know, we saw footage this week of the israeli military raids in jenin and elsewhere. but the israeli

settlers conducting these violent attacks on palestinians, for the most part, do not get the same kind of attention. and i want to get your thoughts on what's animating this now among the settlers, you know, what's the difference between the two types of attacks, whether it's the military or the settlers? i mean, are these settler attacks? do they resonate differently within israeli society? is there any condemnation or attempt to rein them back from the israeli government? >> i think. >> there are. more israelis who are willing to criticize the settlers, who are shocked and dismayed by this type of violence, that many of the kind of more extreme elements in the settler movement use against palestinians. but there are not enough israelis who are willing to accept the fact that this is simply another branch of the israeli government. and this is something we don't see lightly. settlers use violence as a as a very strategic tool in the west

bank. it's not just some expression of individual criminality. these people are working in a very deliberate way to use this, this violence in order to terrorize palestinians and to get them to leave certain areas, to forcibly remove them from vast parts of the west bank. and this is really the key issue. and settlers have been using this opportunity from their perspective, of course, that the entire war has given them right. the last 477 days to really change the reality in the west bank in a in a almost irreversible way. right. dozens of palestinian communities and families have been removed from their homes. and now there's another excuse, right? the settler settlers are now using the release of palestinian prisoners as an excuse to attack palestinian communities throughout the west bank almost every night since the beginning of the hostage deal. >> what do you believe is israel's end goal right now, in the way it is conducting itself

in the west bank, as you mentioned, with the killers and with the military operations, if you were to look on the horizon of what is coming, the new american administration allowing or revoking any sanctions on some of these extremist israeli settlers at the same time, 200 0 pound bombs apparently are being released to the israelis. this israeli right wing government that is saying it's going to continue the war in gaza after a phase of the operations, if you will. but what do you think is israel's end goal right now? >> i think we need to listen to what israeli politicians are saying and what they're doing. right. and on many levels, it's the same thing, especially the more radical parts of the settler movement. they're basically demanding that the israeli violence and this is a physical aggression against palestinians in the west bank is increased. right. and this isn't just, again, these rogue elements. it's the minister of defense and its central israeli

politicians, and it's the settler leadership. they're all demanding the gasification of the west bank. right. they're demanding that israeli military operations involve using this vast amount of firepower like we saw in gaza. and they demand turning the west bank into the kind of horrific rubble pile that we've seen throughout northern gaza, for example. they demand ethnic cleansing. they literally demand forcible transfer of people from villages and towns in the west bank. and unfortunately, unless there is a force that will stop this and as you yourself mentioned, it's very hard to see how this is going to be stopped by the by the any sort of us administration. >> yeah, that's. >> what i was doing. >> i that's what i. >> just wanted to kind of close out on is how do you change this. what is it. is it going to be internal israeli politics that perhaps collapses the government and forces elections and a change of course, or are we not going to see any

fundamental change, even if elections are held without international consequence for israel's actions? >> i have to say it looks very difficult to it's very difficult to find a kind of external force or an internal force within israeli society that will change this trajectory. but i don't think it's a it's a necessarily a done deal. it's still possible to change course. and this, i think is the key issue now is to continue the cease fire, to continue the hostage swap, the deal to complete the first phase, and then to move on to the second phase to bring back all 90 israeli hostages that are held in gaza and to continue the ceasefire in gaza, while at the same time accepting that the israeli government is going to try and continue to impose its logic of total takeover of bantustan ization of closure for the west bank, and then continue

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