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mass firings of inspectors general, the president is on a purging spree. and could fema be next? trump says he is thinking about it. with wildfires still going on in california. in tonight's worst of the week comes full circle. folks who have become friends and friends who've clearly become foes. a mohydin let's do it. last weekend, we made a point on this program to highlight reporting about trump adviser stephen miller, revealing the plan for trump's first couple of days flood the zone, sophos grow tired and stop fighting. well, less than a week into donald trump's presidency, promises made, promise kept. the latest chaos coming overnight, nbc news reporting that trump has fired at least 18 inspectors general across the federal government and a late night purge. and when asked why these apolitical igs were fired, a trump official

says the move was an effort by the president to let go of the parts of the biden administration that don't align with the new trump administration, whatever that means. there's another purge happening, though, that goes beyond trumpism and maga loyalty. however, it is part of the conservative movement 70 year war on all the progress that we have made since the 1960s. at this hour, any government program aimed at racial or gender equity is under threat. we can now report that the trump administration has given all government agencies the green light to begin firing federal workers in any dei roles within the next 60 days. this follows tuesday's order that all federal employees in dei roles be placed on paid leave. by wednesday evening, that order demanded that the agency submit a written plan for dismissing employees by the end of this month. that is far from all. in

1965, president lyndon johnson had actually signed an executive order that prohibits federal contractors from discriminating on the basis of race, color, religion, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, or national origin. well, on wednesday, trump revoked president johnson's order, claiming it undermined our national unity. and today in las vegas, this is how he explained his attacks on diversity initiatives. >> we got rid of the woke crap. what a lie. yeah, what a lot of crap that was. >> it's not just diversity in government jobs that are under attack. in fact, one of this week's anti dei executive orders directed federal agencies not to identify private sector groups engaged in illegal discrimination through diversity programs. and this is serious here for a moment. in the past few years, we have already seen the conservative supreme court watered down both the voting rights act. they've done the same to the affirmative action

programs in this country, which is already causing schools to admit fewer black students. affirmative action and more recently, dei programs, have helped tear down the broken system that kept qualified people out of institutions based on their gender or race. institutions that have long been hostile to any kind of diversity, but the political right in this country has successfully framed dei as a way of hiring unqualified women and people of color at the expense of qualified white men. so every time they see a woman or a person of color that they don't like in a top position, they scream unqualified and die. and we need to get back to a meritocracy. but if you want evidence that conservatives have this backwards, the trump administration and the republican controlled senate proved it at 9:49 p.m. eastern on friday, when this man was confirmed as america's new secretary of defense. and what kind of meritocracy would former

veteran pete hegseth, a 44 year old fox tv host who's facing serious allegations of mistreating women of sexual assault and excessive drinking, who has no management experience, be put in charge of one of the government's largest organizations of 3.4 million people and nearly $1 trillion budget. what kind of meritocracy would make this man responsible for 500 military bases across all 50 states, and another 750 bases in 80 countries around the world? what kind of meritocracy would put this man in charge of spending? as i mentioned, almost $1 trillion in federal funds. kicking us off this hour, imara jones, founder and ceo of trans media. sean harper, professor at usc and founder of the usc race and equity center. and brian tyler cohen, author of shameless republicans deliberate dysfunction and the battle to preserve democracy. he's also

the host of no lie with brian tyler cohen. it's great to have all of you with us. amara, i'll start with you. i mean, we've heard the phrase dei, and it's truly remarkable how republicans, and certainly trump, have recast and rebranded and rewrote what dei means. they have associated with woke, whatever that means. and now they've completely managed to erase it from aspects of our life and our government. >> well. >> i think that what's really important. >> here is. the fact. >> that why is dei a thing? why was it created. >> in the first place? >> and it's because we. >> know that the. >> laws on the books. against discrimination. >> on race or on gender or. >> on. disability are not enough. >> that you have. >> to match. >> those things. with action. >> thinking about recruitment, thinking about making workplaces safe, thinking about how you talk about your products. >> and roll them out. >> in the world are complete institutional culture. and we.

essentially had. >> dei as a. >> focus in the united. states for. >> four years. >> out of. >> almost 250. >> and those four. >> years, just the. >> presence of. >> it seems. >> to have. >> enraged enough americans. >> that they were able to. >> propel a. >> person to the white. >> house. >> that made it among. >> their first. >> priorities, the elimination. >> of dei. >> and why do you think it unnerved so many americans? i mean, in the way that they i mean, first of all, do you think americans, broadly speaking, understood what dei was about or they understood what the republicans made them think it was really about? and why did it unnerve them? >> i mean. >> i've seen polling. >> as recently as. >> a month ago. >> that most. americans generally are favorable. >> of dei. >> right. >> but if you if you tell them about it without the actual letters dei like, hey, there's. >> a program that you like. >> here's a program that's going to do x, y, and z. that's right. that's a good program. and then when you say, but it's actually dei program and they're like, oh wait. >> that's exactly right. >> well. >> i also think. that the thing

with dei is that it breaks the american myth. it breaks the american myth that the country solely was based upon merit, and that the people. >> that had. >> gathered resources and power had done so naturally. right. when we know that it was actually a very unnatural. process of skewing the system towards one direction, and i think that dei broke that myth. and there's something that is deeply disturbing to people. i think about that acknowledgment. >> sean dei has been used and misused so much in the past week as i was just kind of saying, help us clarify how the trump administration and now the heads of all of his agencies are butchering the meaning of dei. >> yeah. >> well, it's really clear. >> to me that they don't know what. >> it is. and his vegas. >> speech, the president of the united states called dei and so-called wokeness a bunch of crap, all. of it. and how would he know? >> based on what. >> evidence, how many dei trainings has president donald. >> trump sat through? >> how many dei policies has he

himself actually sat and rigorously analyzed? >> how many research. >> journal articles has. he read that continue to affirm the value. >> that diversity, equity, and. >> inclusion adds to businesses. >> to our. >> government, to our communities, and so on? >> so it's. >> really clear to me that folks. >> are on a. >> mission to tear down a thing that they don't even know what they're. tearing down. >> they're also not. >> aware of the consequential nature of. >> removing diversity, equity and inclusion policies. >> this is going to. cost the. federal government and corporations and schools and colleges and universities. >> a ton of. >> money. as people are experiencing harassment, discrimination and abuse, they're going to sue their organizations. you know, dei efforts aim to first and most importantly, protect people.

>> but also. >> protect businesses. and educational institutions. the trump administration clearly doesn't understand that. >> brian. >> i want you to take a look at this, because this is something we talked about, that while everyone is kind of focused on dei, there were more dangerous things that are also happening that are adjacent to this conversation. this is from the washington post, justice department issues freeze for civil rights division. the directives halt going after civil rights cases that could jeopardize police reform agreements finalized in recent months in minneapolis and louisville. of course, a good friend of our show, nikole hannah-jones, posted, i and many others warned that anti crt, which was critical race theory and anti dei propaganda campaign that so many embraced or downplayed, was always about creating the narrative for and paving the way for a larger attack on civil rights. and here we are. i agree with that sentiment, brian. i mean, i

think it starts by going after dei and crt, but it was always about something much bigger in this country, and that was more about fundamental rights. >> well, and i think. >> that that that's, that's kind. >> of the crux of. >> this whole thing. >> you and your guests here on this. >> panel have. >> really laid. >> out very. >> clear reasons. >> as to why these programs. >> are, why. >> republican efforts. >> are misguided. >> but let's. >> think about. >> the reality of. >> why republicans. >> are. >> actually doing this. it's not because they have any well-founded reason to oppose any of these dei programs. >> in reality, this is about republicans needing to. >> demagogue, and. >> they will. demagogue any of the others. they'll demagogue brown. >> people or brown or. >> black people, gay. >> people, women. >> minorities. >> whoever they can find. >> so that our. attention is trained elsewhere. and this way we're not focusing. on the. real problem, which is that. >> right now we. >> have a government that's largely run. >> as an oligarchy. >> i mean, donald. >> trump is surrounded. he had. >> in his inauguration. >> he had. >> all of the billionaires jeff. >> bezos, elon. >> musk, shoo on and on.

>> and on. >> all of. >> these people had even a closer view of him than. >> his. >> own cabinet nominees. this is a government run by a billionaire for billionaires. but republicans know that if they were to leave that kind of out in the open for. >> people to talk about, that would reflect. >> poorly on them. and so instead, they have. >> to train. >> everybody's attention onto something shiny. and so what what have they done for decades and decades and decades? and that is putting people pinning, pinning their overwhelmingly white base against the minorities in this country or any marginalized communities in this country, so that that's where we can train all of our ire and that nobody pays attention to the actual prize, which is that, again, we have a government run by the rich that serves the rich and doesn't do anything for the working class. >> i've seen a few people point this out this week, amari, that, you know, the administration is trying to write diversity out of government, but they cannot write diversity out of our society and out of our you know, you can't write diversity out of

existence in this country, no matter how much they try to kind of marginalize it from the functions of our society. >> i think that that's right. but i think that what they are trying to do is to figure out a way to push entire groups of people out of public life as an assertion of white patriarchy. again, i mean, just to be blunt about it, and i think that that's what is behind a lot of this. and so while they understand, just like in the jim crow south, for example, that you couldn't remove, you know, places where black people were up to 40% of the population, sometimes 50%, you could figure out a way to marginalize the population enough in order to accrue power and resources to the minority. in some of those cases, in order to be able to have an assert control. and i think that we have to look at that through that lens. >> sean, as federal government workers start getting fired because of these orders over the next couple of weeks, and up to 60 days, are there any courses of actions or recourse that they might have? are there any legal

protections that they may be able to pursue as employees of the federal government? >> yeah, i. >> most certainly. >> hope so. >> you know, i've been thinking a lot. about those. really great americans who do. >> the important work. of diversity, equity and inclusion. >> you know, those are good people. >> they are professionals. >> they are competent. they are deserving of. >> the. >> roles that they performed for our democracy. >> what a shame. >> that they have been lied on. >> so terribly and that their work has been misrepresented so destructively. >> i really hope that those folks. >> have some legal recourse. listen, if someone went on. >> a lying. >> spree about what happens in my classrooms. here at the. university of. >> southern. >> california without. >> ever having come here, without ever. >> having seen my syllabus. without ever having seen. >> my course. >> evaluations. without talking with the. >> thousands of students. that i've taught over the years. if they just went on.

>> a misinformation campaign about what happens here, i. >> would. >> sue them. >> you know? and i just really. >> think that. >> those those really. >> good americans who do the. work of dei. >> you know, really ought to pursue, you know, some sort of legal recourse. >> all right, everyone, please stick around. we've got a lot more to discuss, including trump's target list, including trump's target list, including known for sharing what you love. no one wants to be known for cancer, but a treatment can be. keytruda is known to treat cancer. fda-approved for 17 types of cancer, including certain early-stage cancers. one of those cancers is triple-negative breast cancer. keytruda may be used with chemotherapy medicines as treatment before surgery and then continued alone after surgery when you have early-stage breast cancer and are at high risk of it coming back. keytruda can cause your immune system to attack healthy parts of your body during or after treatment. this may be severe and lead to death. see your doctor right away if you have cough,

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my father, founder of the now. >> infamous oath. keepers stewart rhodes. >> the third. >> was going to save. >> america from the end of the world. >> the big lie is that there was some concerted plan near the capitol. >> and. >> it just wasn't. >> distraught, was becoming increasingly unstable. >> people are. >> gravitating to. >> him like. >> a son. i bet everything. >> on him. >> being. >> locked away forever. >> trump's d.o.j. strikes again friday dropped its case against a texas doctor who was accused of illegally obtaining private information about pediatric patients at texas children's hospital in houston who were not under his care. prosecutors say he gave that information to a conservative activist, who then published a story claiming the hospital was providing transgender care for minors in secret. now, at the time, transgender care for minors was legal in texas. this doctor is

free pass, however, caps off a week of nonstop targeting of transgender americans by their president. it started in his inaugural address when he declared there are only two genders in this country. he then revived his first term ban on trans people serving in the military. he also barred transgender women from u.s. prisons that are designated for women. they must now be sent to male prisons. advocates and experts call it a life threatening executive order, and they say bluntly, people will die. his administration also plans to scrap policies that make it easier for trans people to update their gender on passports and on their social security cards, even moving to eliminate the x gender marker that was introduced back in 2022. and look, his motives are clear. but so is one reality that trump can sign as many orders as he wants. but there is no sharpie that can erase the reality that transgender people exist in this country. so the question before us, what does that existence look like over

the next four years? my panel is back with me. amara, i'll start with you. i mean, how do you see these executive orders that trump signed? defining sex as binary and unchangeable might have real world consequences on people in this country. >> i think that's absolutely right. and i think that this builds on the conversation that we were just having about dei. i mean, when you put together the moves this week, dei and trans and immigration, they can seem to be disparate, but i think that what they all have in common is great replacement theory. and the great replacement theory, of course, holds that at a minimum, that the country is run best if it's a white patriarchy or a maximally as a white christian patriarchy. and so therefore great replacement theory as a unifying approach to the way that they've entered into government, i think explains all of this. and if you are going to enforce patriarchy, then eliminating the idea of trans people is essential. and i think, look, i think me and a lot of other trans people feel

very frustrated because i know that i've personally been saying that the attack on democracy and the attack on trans people go hand in hand. when you look right the way around the world, authoritarians who assert themselves always start out with an attack on trans people. and so trump ended his campaign, the largest single ad buy with an attack on trans people, and started his administration with an attack on trans people, which means that this is not a marginal issue. it's not about culture. it's not about any of the things that many in the democratic party want to say and be dismissive about that. this is really about the health of our democracy. you've seen we include people or not. >> yeah. and i was going to say to that point, i mean, you've seen people in the democratic party after the election come out and say the party had become too woke and people were talking about, you know, trans athletes. and that became such a big talking point. and they're trying to kind of say, we need to move beyond that. we need to stop talking about those things. >> well, the republicans clearly aren't. and so you can continue

to run away from that issue. you can turn your back on the battlefield and run, but that's not going to stop the other side from chasing you. and i think that it's a failed strategy for democrats. and you have to begin to talk about how an attack on less than 1% of the population really is a beginning of an attack on everybody. >> sean, what kind of legal challenges do you see coming from trump's plan to relocate transgender inmates? do you think that this is something that when you kind of look at all of the different attempts to change our society that the republicans and certainly this administration have undertaken this week? you know, so many legal battles are ahead of us. how how do you think this one will fare out? >> yeah. >> i'm not really. >> sure because i'm not a legal scholar. what i will say, though, that i care about most. are the implications for people's. lives and their livelihoods. >> i just. >> want to make. >> clear that trans. >> people are people. the dei

professionals. >> who. >> do dei. >> work, who have. >> lost their jobs, are people. so, you know, this is a. >> hateful campaign. >> it is evil. and. >> you know, it is strongly. telling people that they. >> don't matter. and that. >> their country doesn't. >> love them. >> you know, i wish i had the legal. >> answer to. >> that, but i don't. but i, i just want to come from like a place of. compassion and care. for the folks whose lives. >> are being. >> you know, really impacted by these destructive policies. >> no. and as it should be, it should always be front and center of the conversations that we have as to the real world impact. and, you know, i think that's part of why we continue to have these conversations is to not lose sight of that and just kind of get caught up in what the republicans are defining as these important issues. brian, if federal funding is pulled from programs that, you know, are recognizing transgender identities, how could that affect health care and education for the broader

lgbtq plus community? >> i think it will. it will obviously serve. >> as a huge. >> deterrent right now, and it's going to put people who, you know, real. >> lives are going to be put at risk as a result of it. but more broadly, eamon, i think what we have to recognize, and this is kind of a. >> message for, for trump's base here. >> success in this. >> country is not zero sum. and being able. >> to. >> recognize the humanity of trans people in the same way that being. >> able to. >> recognize the humanity of brown and black people, of gay or straight people, of lgbt people more broadly, of any minority group, of any any marginalized. >> community in the. >> entire country, being able to recognize their humanity does not come to the detriment of donald trump's base. it's not to the detriment of anybody. and so there's this mistaken notion, i think, within the republican base. and perpetuated by by trump more broadly, that if we're able to. >> watch these people succeed. if we're able. >> to see them rise up the

ranks, whether it's in the government or. >> in the private sector, if we're even able to, at a bare. >> minimum. >> recognize their. >> humanity, that somehow that somehow is to the detriment of other people. and that's not how it works. you can still recognize the humanity of the lgbt community more broadly, and it doesn't have any impact, any bearing whatsoever on the success or the failure of anybody else. >> sean. that's an important point that brian brings up. let me get your thoughts on that. i mean, we, the republicans, have made this a zero sum game, right? that if somehow you give trans people more rights, that somehow you're taking away rights from others in this country, and that created this feeling that we must shun and keep trans people out as much as possible from from public life. >> yeah, i agree with that, that there's no evidence that. >> anybody loses. >> by affording. >> more. >> privileges and rights. >> to people who have long been denied. those privileges and

rights. >> that they so deserve. >> right. one of the things that i want. >> to acknowledge is. the biden-harris administration required. >> every federal. >> agency to create. >> a diversity, equity and inclusion plan. and those plans require those. >> agencies to rely on data. to show. >> who was represented, who was underrepresented, where pay inequities were, so on and so forth. that was sort of step one. and then step two was. >> to lay. >> out a set of strategies to right the historic and contemporary wrongs. that is what. >> our country deserves. >> but now the trump. >> administration. >> with the banning of all. >> dei and. >> federal agencies, you know, pretty. >> much scrapped. >> all of those very. >> important efforts. >> brian, how did democrats fight this? >> i think democrats fight this by continuing to appeal to the very basic humanity that i think

most of the country is willing to show people. i mean, look like. >> donald. >> trump's entire m.o. his entire movement is based on on marginalized people, marginalized people, on on hating people, on othering people. and i think that that's something that's going to appeal to a small faction of his base. but as more and more people start to recognize what it is that he's doing and by the way, how it's not redounding to anybody's benefit, like hurting trans. people is not going to help anybody in trump's base. it's not going to magically serve as the cure all that trump is framing it as. i think once they start to recognize that, then this, this, this illusion that he's created, that somehow hurting other people is going to is going to help his people is going to go away. but i think democrats have to carry on on this path and make sure that we are the party that doesn't that doesn't bow down to this idea that that we have to that we have to fall into this trap of othering people or of feeling

like we have to discard certain factions of the base in deference to this idea that trumpism and, and hatred more broadly are going to win out. >> yeah, othering. othering other people is not a way to lower prices of eggs and food in this country. >> bingo. not that i can determine. so far, that seems to be a failure if the first week is a judge. i mean, i also think, though, that it is about giving the people that voted for him a psychological boost as well, right? because he identified who their enemies were and then is moving against them. and so i think that he's actually trying to buy himself some time on these issues through these attacks. >> it's probably because he knows that he's not going to be able to lower the price of groceries in this country, and this is something that people always talk about and be consumed by. >> so especially with bird flu coming in the closing of the pandemic offices, it's not going to lower the price of eggs. >> everyone stick around for us. next up, should getting federal disaster help depend on who you voted for? some in the voted for? some in the republican party dry eyes still feel gritty,

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dry weather and dangerously strong winds, southern california is finally receiving its first rainfall of 2025. an inch or more of rain is expected to fall between now and monday, providing much needed relief from the conditions that sparked and fueled this month's deadly wildfires. but it does come with a risk of mudslides. right now, three wildfires are still burning, although they are mostly contained, according to cal fire. while dangers remain and the rebuilding begins, many are wondering if the federal government will show up to actually help the people. of course, as you know, president trump toured the devastation friday in la, but listen to what he said about federal help for california before he even got there. >> california. we want them to have voter id so the people have a voice, because right now the people don't have a voice because you don't know who's voting, and it's very corrupt. and we also want them to release

the water. if they release the water, they wouldn't have had a problem if they released the water when i told them to, because i told them to do it seven years ago, if they would have done it, you wouldn't have had the problem that you had. you might have. you might not have even had a fire. so but here, i don't have that. it's a different thing. >> the president made those comments in north carolina as he assessed damage from hurricane helene last september. you might find it interesting that trump did not mention any kind of conditions for federal help for north carolina, a state that, of course, he won in november. i wonder what the correlation is. my panel is back with me. sean, do you think this is a bluff by president trump or a real threat that he is going to, you know, push this voter id requirement in order to kind of release some federal aid to california? >> oh, i think he's serious. but i think it is disgustingly opportunistic. >> i live. >> here in los angeles. my home is.

>> 12 miles from altadena. i personally know. >> way too. >> many people. >> who have lost everything. >> now is not the time. >> to politicize. >> this particular tragedy. those people. >> deserve the full. >> force and. support of the federal government. but, you know, i it would be very trumpish. of trump to. seize this. opportunity to get what he wants. the people here in. los angeles. >> deserve better. >> brian. congressional republicans appear to be on board with some of trump's threats. listen to what the house speaker, mike johnson, just said earlier this week. >> they did not. >> manage the forest. >> as. >> they were supposed to, and they let forest debris pile up near homes in at risk areas. all of this was known. they assumed the risk because they advanced their radical political agenda. and now people are paying a heavy price for that. we think that needs to be taken into account going forward. but the

bipartisan fix our forest act will do what the governor of california would not do, and that is restore the health of our forests and make communities more resilient to wildfires. >> i mean, can you imagine nancy pelosi speaking about a red state in that way? and just kind of in any capacity? brian, degrading and denigrating a state that is going through an emergency where thousands of people have lost their homes and livelihoods and people have lost their lives, and you get the speaker of the house coming out there and politicizing it. >> not only. >> could i not imagine nancy pelosi doing it, but could you imagine the way that right wing media would respond if that was. the case? could you imagine the. >> wall to. >> wall coverage we would be hearing if, at. >> a city's. >> lowest point, when there are people who have died, when there are thousands of people who have lost everything, entire entire sections of los angeles just burned down to the ground, that that's the moment you decide to

take swipes at these people. and by the way, i should also note that this is this is a guy in mike johnson who is on board with donald trump's plan to try and condition disaster relief. the guy comes from louisiana, of all states, where you would probably recognize that there's probably not much to gain by establishing a precedent of conditioning aid. it's mike johnson in the state of louisiana, which is one of the top three states that has been hit by hurricanes in the last three decades, behind just florida and texas. and so this is this continuing theme where, you know, these republicans don't recognize, they basically get to benefit from what they know that democrats won't do. and so they'll engage in behavior that's completely depraved, knowing full well that democrats aren't even capable of the inhumanity. that would be that would be necessary to even broach the idea of conditioning aid for people who've lost everything. >> as we mentioned, mr. trump is

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last week, and then he skipped scheduled events in new york city on martin luther king junior day. nonetheless, to head down to d.c. and attend trump's inauguration in the middle of the night. apparently, he also had nothing critical to say about trump's flurry of executive orders, instead insisting he'd raise any concerns with the president. privately, adams seems plenty comfortable cozying up to the republican in chief. and you might wonder why many now question if he's playing nice for the good of this city, or if he's cozying up to trump to appeal for a personal pardon for his federal indictment on bribery and campaign finance offenses, which mayor adams denies. what we do know is how the democratic mayor views his standing as a member within the democratic party. watch what he told none other than tucker carlson. >> people often say, well, you know, you don't sound like a democrat. and, you know, you seem to have left the party. no,

the party left me and it left working class people. >> well, his recent priorities are speaking volumes, and, well, they're saying otherwise. and that brings us to our second contender, donald trump himself. the president is wasting no time with his large scale revenge tour. already he has canceled the security clearances of some 50 former intelligence officials, in a move experts are calling unprecedented and partizan. a lawyer told nbc news it is the most politically saturated security action since the oppenheimer case in the 1950s. trump also ended security protections for some of his former top officials, including john bolton and mike pompeo. both have faced ongoing real threats from iran due to actions they took under trump's orders when they served in his administration. sean and brian are both back with me. sean, i'll start with you. your pick between these two for worst of the week. >> well. >> do. >> i really. >> have to pick? >> this is really hard. honestly, i'm going to go with the.

>> security clearances because. >> you know, i think it has larger implications for, you know, this whole. >> campaign of retribution. look, anthony. fauci is 84. years old. why put that. man's safety at risk? >> that is an all time low. and we're going. >> to see more. >> of it right. as the trump administration, you know, continues to take away really. important governmental. >> oversight, right. >> that lead. >> to safety and. >> security and so on. >> brian, i'll start with you on this one as well before we get to the others. but what about your worst of the week in your eyes? what was the worst? >> well, look. >> i would i would probably tend to agree with sean. i mean, also purging, purging our ability to tap into the wealth of knowledge that former government officials have doesn't do anything but hurt us. i mean, especially when you have to recognize that the people who donald trump is

filling his government with are people who are eminently unqualified. i mean, just to be able to rely on pete hegseth experience alone, on his qualifications alone should scare the crap out of anybody knowing full well that not just the fact that he's who we've got in charge of the now, for example, but that other folks who might be actually who might actually be able to guide him in the right direction are having their security clearances revoked because there is beef between between their ideologies and trump's. but i should just note real quick, going over to the eric adams part of it, there was one interesting tidbit, and that is that back in 2021, eric adams actually tweeted, i don't want or need the support of tucker carlson or anyone else who perpetuates racist, anti-immigrant propaganda. cut to. it just so happens that eric adams, once indicted, ends up sitting across from who else but tucker carlson. >> you bring up such a good point. but before we get to tucker carlson, i was going to say, you know, that most people

may not know this. viewers may not know this. but part of the reason why former officials retain their security clearances is that they become a kind of council of advisors for those who then assume the position and take on that responsibility. now, so i don't look, i don't agree with john bolton. i don't agree with mike pompeo. but at the end of the day, if marco rubio wants to pick up the phone and call mike pompeo, he knows that the person across or on the other end of that phone line has a security clearance who can be trusted with sensitive material. now you've stripped him away from that. that person is less likely to be trusted with national secrets. and the reason why is because trump wanted to be vindictive. and these people served trump. they worked for him. they put their lives on the line for him, and now they're getting these iranian threats. and donald trump basically wants wants them to fend for themselves. and i think that is just for me as well. i guess we have a full agreement here that it is the worst of the week, donald trump revoking these security clearances. but i do want to ask you about eric adams. sean, for a moment and to

the point that brian brought up, what, in your view, is the driving force behind adams appearance on the tucker carlson show and his relationship with trump, someone he's criticized in the past? >> well, it. >> seems really. >> clear to. >> me that if. >> somebody has legal. >> troubles, it's probably. smart to cozy. >> up with the person. >> who has experience with legal troubles and who's also leading a government that has. >> fired inspectors generals. >> right. and, you know, taking away government accountability. you know, i think. that mayor adams is poising himself for. >> a pardon. >> yeah. the point of that, brian, about the pardon now is that and donald trump has made this very clear, his views about new york city, things that he wants to do in new york city. and he now has a mayor more or less in his pockets. he's got a lot of influence over him. he just he can dangle that pardon

in front of him in private conversations. he knows, you know, eric, adam knows which media outlets trump watches. and he's going to go on there. he's going to say just the right thing. trump doesn't need you to come out there and say it, but he knows deep down inside he loves having that power over people like eric adams. he loves having that leverage. he loves knowing that they're going to beg for it. and eric adams is entire not just political future, but his future as a free man could depend on whether or not donald trump grants him that pardon. >> right. and he knows, by the way, to sean's point and to your point that that there is room for him in a party where trying to get pardoned as a criminal is, is a pretty, pretty big theme right now in the gop. and so i think by virtue of him saying things like, oh, i didn't leave the democratic party, the democratic party left me, even though it just so happens that it left him right around the time he got indicted for bribery. i think he's making it abundantly clear what he's angling for. and signaling to donald trump, who, frankly, is probably going to going to give

him what he needs, especially if it means, for example, that the city of new york can can cooperate with trump's doj as it relates to ice or any number of other opportunities. >> yeah, very important point. again, a reminder there. go ahead. sean, you want to say something? >> yeah. i was wondering, can. >> we. >> connect two dots real fast, please? to be fair, eric adams is not the only one. tech billionaires and corporate ceos are also. >> kissing the ring. >> and cozying. >> up to trump. >> and they're doing it. by walking back their commitments to diversity, equity and inclusion. >> oh, no. 100%. we've been we've been documenting that as well. with mark zuckerberg going full maga on this show over the last couple of weeks as well. sean harper, brian tyler cohen, great to have both of you on. really appreciate it. >> thanks. thank you. >> after a quick break, we're going to actually share something that will lift your something that will lift your spirits. [coughing] copd is an ugly reality. do you have his medical history? i watch as his world just keeps getting smaller.

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