nothing wrong to be a grandmother. so to. those who. >> say, oh, you're 40, you can't dot, dot, dot oh you're 50, you can't dot dot dot. michelle yeoh says, what? >> no, don't let anybody tell you what you can do. or especially people telling you you're past your prime, right? >> total. your oscar speech. >> yes. i love you know, as i'm getting there that i realized that was what was happening. you know, all the women are being told, oh, you're past your prime, you know, think of something else to do, you know, go behind the scenes. >> yes. >> and you're going like, why? why should you dictate what i want to do? what's my passion and what's my love and what i want to put out there? >> that's it for us this weekend. we're back tomorrow morning, bright and early at 6 a.m. for a whole new week of morning joe. good morning. it is sunday, january 26th. i'm alicia menendez with symone sanders

townsend and michael steele. breaking overnight donald trump defending his decision to fire more than a dozen independent inspectors generals. former cia director john brennan is here to respond. michael shannon, the former d.c. police officer, joins our table as we discuss accountability in the second trump term. plus, get ready for another wild week of confirmation hearings with tulsi gabbard, kash patel and rfk jr all on deck. senator lisa blunt rochester previews what you can expect from democrats. so grab your coffee and settle in. welcome to the weekend. >> breaking overnight, donald trump is defending the mass firings of federal watchdogs. nbc news confirms trump fired 18 inspectors general across several government agencies. and it happened late friday evening. but trump might have a really

big problem. under federal law, the president must give substantive reasons of why an inspectors general is being ousted and give congress 30 days notice. but this time, the white house gave a vague explanation justifying the move. last night in nevada, trump told reporters, quote, i did it because it's a very common thing to do. that's not true. it's just not true. these firings are highly unusual. also in vegas, donald trump held a rally attacking immigrants and diversity efforts. >> we're just getting started. we got rid of the woke. we got rid of the woke crap. within hours of taking the oath of office, i declared a national emergency at our southern border. i sent active duty troops to the border. >> joining us now is democratic congressman steven horsford of nevada. he is the former chair of the congressional black caucus. and donald trump, i believe, was in his district last night. >> good to see you, congressman. good morning. >> i want to. because symone leveled up. i think.

>> a very. >> important fact. >> relative to what. >> trump did with. inspectors generals, and that. is you cannot just. >> indiscriminately fire them. >> you cannot. >> bypass the. >> united states congress. >> in fact. >> the inspector general. act requires a 30 day notification window between the white house informing congress of its intent to fire an inspector general and that inspector general being removed from. >> an on. >> duty status. >> the white. >> house must. also provide substantive reasons for why the inspector general is being removed. there has been a letter sent to the president from ranking members of the house, noting the attempt to unlawfully and arbitrarily. remove more than a dozen independent. nonpartisan inspectors. >> general without notice. >> to congress. >> or the public. >> and in the dead of night is just of grave concern. what do

you see happening next in this, in this space? i mean, democrats in the house, thin majority, a thin minority, but still, you know, the majority with a. with a. minority of democrats prepared to take action. >> what is that. >> action you. >> think you can take at. this point, given what the president. >> has done? well, first. >> thank you very much. >> for having me. on the weekend. we're here in. >> las vegas. >> just a. >> day after donald trump. >> trump was here in. >> my district. >> and you're absolutely right. the law is the law. and the president. >> of the. >> united states. >> is not a king. >> he still has to follow the law. but sadly, the. president is not acting. like president. >> he's really. >> captain chaos. he is creating chaos. creating confusion, creating distraction. it's creating, you know, this, this strike. >> and. >> or where he has just a

hundreds of actions. and this is just the latest. and to be clear, an inspector. general's job is to root out waste, fraud and. >> abuse in the federal government. >> so what is it that the president, captain chaos, is so afraid of that he has to eliminate these people from. >> their. >> position? at a. >> time when. >> he said he wanted. >> to unify the country, to. restore competence. >> to. >> bring people together, to address the complex issues of our time. >> the president also has been creating. >> chaos by pardoning convicted felons. these felons are now. >> loose in our community. >> making our community. less safe. hundreds of them. committed direct crimes on. >> law enforcement. >> what happened to backing the blue? these are people who backed the coup. we also have the president attacking the 14th

amendment and calling for the. elimination for. birthright citizenship. and essentially what this means. is taking. >> away the. >> right for. >> people who. >> were born here to have citizenship here, creating. >> a feeling. >> of hopelessness for hundreds, if not thousands of families today. and lastly, the most recent action was to roll back the cuts that president biden and democrats put. >> in to. >> make health. >> care and prescription. >> drugs more affordable. >> because he wants to give. >> big pharma the benefit. >> he's already taking. action to make. >> health care and prescription drugs less affordable. he's captain chaos. he's not president of the united states. >> let's talk. >> about a little bit of that chaos. >> specifically when it comes to immigration. you referenced the 14th amendment. but we also know that there is going to be interaction between federal. law

enforcement and state law enforcement. let's just look at the numbers. >> out of nevada. >> nearly 190,000 undocumented immigrants, 84% of those have lived in the united states for more than. >> five years. >> nearly 9%. >> of nevada households. >> include an undocumented immigrant, meaning there are lots of u.s. citizens who are also going to be impacted by this because they live in the same household. >> as. >> those undocumented folks. >> your state has the highest. >> percentage of unauthorized. workers in the entire country. you have las vegas police saying, this is. not my job, right? my job is not to round up immigrants. las vegas, as you know, not a sanctuary city. no sanctuary laws on the books. what are you going to be able to do for your local law enforcement when they end up potentially going toe to toe or in the crosshairs of a federal government that believes it is their job to interact with immigration law enforcement? >> well, i've been.

>> in touch. >> my office has been with the sheriff here in clark county, as well as with our school officials, both k through 12 and higher. ed, you're absolutely right. the school. >> districts and. >> law enforcement. >> cannot be. >> summoned in. >> this way. >> and yes, we have. >> a broken. >> immigration system, and it's congress's duty to work to solve that. sadly, republicans have used this. more as a partizan brinksmanship brinkmanship than they have to try to solve a problem. look, i'm willing to work with anyone to fix the really complicated issues, and. immigration is one of the complicated issues. >> i'm a son of. >> an immigrant. >> my mother came to the united states when she was 12 years old from trinidad. she became a. >> legal permanent. resident and earned. >> her. >> citizenship a few years ago. so i understand. personally how

broken. >> our immigration. >> system is. but i also understand that we are a. >> nation of. >> immigrants, and so that that means that we do need a process that allows people to feel welcome for asylum. >> seekers to. >> seek justice, for those protections to be in place, to have a. >> secure border. >> and a lawful process by which people can obtain. citizenship or or to pursue citizenship. >> in. >> this country. >> you know, congressman. yesterday, a michael made a point that i would also like to raise to you is that this administration and republicans in congress do not seem intent on wanting to work with their democratic counterparts. you know, i mean, it was it's not lost on me that donald trump was in your district because you are a frontline member. your district is a very competitive district. they would like to unseat you. and he came to your district. he's talking about no tax on tips, a proposal of which

you have also put forward a place of agreement, i think, if you will. but i know you've noted that you need to go further. however, i don't did the president invite you to see him at the tarmac? did he invite you know what i'm saying? i just democrats are when they are going low as heck, the republicans in congress and the republicans in the white house are and they are defending their, their, their, their low life ness and the way that they're playing in the gutter. what are democrats going to do? you know, i believe that when they go low, you got to go toe to toe. and i just think maybe now you got to put on your boxing gloves and put down that bipartisan plow. >> well, look. i don't disagree. >> but look, this is not about me. this is not. about president. >> trump or the republican party. this is about. >> the people. >> here in nevada. and the reason that i support eliminating the tax on tips is because a tip is a gift. it is. >> not a guarantee, which means. >> that you can't live on on that you can't live on a gift.

and sadly, in america. >> there are. >> 6 million tipped workers. >> who make. >> as little as. $2.13 an hour. >> you can't. >> pay the rent. on $2.13 an hour. >> you can't afford. >> child care. >> to get to your. >> job on $2.13 an hour. and so, yes, while i. agree with the. >> premise to eliminate. >> the tax on tips, how. you go. about it matters. >> president trump. >> doesn't get it because he actually. >> isn't. >> working to solve a problem. he has a concept of an idea, but he. >> hasn't. >> actually worked. >> to develop. >> the legislation. >> i have. >> so my. >> bill deals with. >> the. >> subminimum wage. >> it provides guardrails to ensure that the very wealthy are not able to grift the tax system, call something a tip, and then avoid paying taxes on it. it also ensures that payroll taxes continue to be paid so people have their retirement in place. look, simone, what.

>> the president. >> didn't talk about yesterday. >> was how how's. >> he going to lower the cost. >> of rent. >> for people. here in nevada? 30% of the homes. here in nevada, in southern. >> nevada. >> and parts of my district are owned by. corporate landlords. >> 1 in 3 homes. not only are they gouging. >> renters. >> they're pricing out first time home buyers. >> they're preventing veterans from using their va benefits. they're hurting families from owning a piece of the american dream. >> and building wealth. why didn't. >> he. >> talk about that? because he's about chaos. >> he's not. >> about providing solutions for nevadans. >> or for the. >> american people. >> all right. congressman steven horsford, thank you very, very much, sir. up next, the real people impacted by trump's immigration orders, paulo ramos is here. she's got the tea. we're going to discuss it all. and later, we have former d.c. officer michael fanone who will join the conversation. folks, you don't want to miss this. you don't want to miss this. you're watching the weekend.

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msnbc contributor. >> paola ramos joins. us now. >> she's the author of defectors. >> the. >> rise of the latino far right and what it means for america. folks, this is a great book, by. >> the way. >> honestly. >> i just wanted. >> to say put. >> that on the table. >> honestly, this is the book. and to just give people a taste. paypal. she interviewed a number of pardoned january 6th defendants. i saw a number of the interviews. you did. but we want to play right now. your interview with gabriel garcia in miami. >> the last time. >> you and i talked, you said. >> i regret going that day. and you said. >> if i could have, i would. >> have never gone to washington, d.c. >> yeah. no. >> did you mean that? >> no. >> i. >> didn't. mean it. you didn't mean it? >> absolutely not. i'll go again, 100%. >> you would? >> yes. >> powell, what's going on? >> and look. >> they feel emboldened. they feel empowered. >> and someone. >> like gabriel garcia. >> also, who is. >> friends with enrique tarrio, of. >> course, the former chairman of the proud boys.

>> and i have to note, both. >> of them specifically. >> want to now be called as current members of the proud boys. and so i think in a place like miami, which is where we shot that interview, they're literally being welcomed and seen as heroes, not just as these political prisoners that. >> were just released. >> but i think in a place like miami dade county, which is where they are. >> they're specifically. >> seen as these anti-communist heroes. >> i think. >> the danger there is that it validates the very reason why people like gabriel garcia or enrique tarrio initially sort of were associated with january 6th, because both of those men were really driven by. >> this belief. >> that the capitol was being taken over by a communist regime. >> so to. >> now have them. released just validates the very same and dangerous paranoia that that drove them there. so it was it was pretty remarkable. >> to see. >> how how they are now being seen as heroes in trump's america. >> i see many ties between this and the immigration stories that

you have been reporting on, including the breaking news that we have. i mean, on one hand, you have donald trump talking about the criminality of immigrants in this country, when in reality he just pardoned 1500 convicted criminals. you also have the fact that, as you just said, he deputized these folks to go. >> to the. >> capitol and now he is deputizing folks in the doj and elsewhere to be in charge of immigration. talk to me about that, deputization. >> yeah. i mean, i think the core, the heart of trump's plan is to deputize his militia, his supporters in local law enforcement, dhs. in this specific example. >> to carry out his mass deportation plans. but i. >> think to your point, the through line between. >> these january. >> 6th defendants and what's going on at the border is. that over half of this country's population believes that there's an invasion at the southern border, and they inherently believe that undocumented

immigrants are criminals, and everything is on the table. >> to justify. >> every single plan. whether that means that releasing people like gabriel garcia or enrique dario calls. >> for. >> a safer america. and that idea of an invasion at the southern border justifies. every single action. and another thing that i always think about is so many of the folks that went to january 6th were driven by one specific thing. and that is also the great replacement theory, right? one of the through lines of the majority of those people. and the university of chicago did an incredible story, and they found that overwhelmingly, the majority of people that went there were driven by that belief. so i think part of the moment we're in is recognizing that. this conspiracy theory of an invasion. >> is the. >> heart of what is driving. >> immigration policy. >> in this country. >> paola. >> i want to go back to your first point. i'm sorry. help me understand who who are the folks out here? >> who who believe that. this is a. >> communist country and that these two individuals are the

champions that are going to defend. us from communism in the united states. where the. >> hell were. >> they born and raised? did they grow up here, or did they immigrate here? and if they immigrated here, what brought them here? would they come with their parents? i mean, you know. these this sort of, you know, latching on, latching on to communism for your racism and for the fact that at the end of the day, both of these individuals would have their kicked out of the country if white folks had their way. so i don't understand. >> a trying. >> to. >> connect that. >> dot, please. >> because i'm. >> trying. >> to. >> explain why i'm. are we losing it? >> i'm trying to explain. alicia and i talk about this all the time as as. to cuban americans. but i think we know that republicans have done a brilliant job at exploiting the very real fear that a lot of cuban american exiles and venezuelan exiles carry in a place like miami dade county because of the political trauma of what. >> it means to. >> flee from these communist regimes. and so then within that, if you understand that within that story, people like

enrique tarrio and gabriel garcia, the 2nd january six defendants, people like them, are then cast as these political prisoners within this story of the democratic party and sort of institutionalizing communism in this country. and so i think you and i can sort of dismiss that, and we can laugh about that. we know that it's factually incorrect. the problem, though, is when that exploitation of fear that republicans do quickly turns into paranoia, and then it quickly turns into violence. to give you another example. and alicia and i talk about this all the time. like someone like enrique tarrio is often seen on the streets with patches that say right wing death squads. that right wing death squads is a reference to chilean dictator pinochet. pinochet in chile. >> justified violence. >> in the name of getting rid of communism. in chile. so i mentioned this because those are the folks that are inspiring a lot of the proud boys in miami, all in the name of ridding the west from communism. and so the problem is that that paranoia is

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the threat comes as three of trump's most controversial cabinet picks prepare to face the. >> senate this week. >> robert f kennedy jr will testify this wednesday and thursday. he'll have to explain his embrace of vaccine conspiracies as he seeks the nation's top health role. joining us now, democratic senator lisa blunt rochester of delaware. she sits on the committee on health, education, labor and pensions, one of two committees questioning kennedy. this week. >> yes. >> senator, before we get into rfk jr. and this hearing, the members of the in the house, the ranking members, they all sent a letter to the president registering what they call their grave concern about his recent attempt to unlawfully, arbitrarily remove more than a dozen independent, nonpartisan inspectors general. just your reaction to the news that the president late friday night fired 18 inspectors general without the 30 day notice? >> you know. >> i think. that this. >> is just representative of.

his administration. i mean, it has literally been. >> not even a whole week. >> and we. >> and for some people, it may. >> feel like a year. the fear. >> that it is. >> i think, intended. >> to. >> instill, you. >> know, whether you are a. >> federal employee. >> just trying. >> to do your job. i've had people call me who work for the va. >> like if we say. >> we support veterans, this. >> is how. >> you treat the people who are working. >> with veterans. >> the fear. >> of whether you are an immigrant or a. >> child of. >> an immigrant. i had someone say to me yesterday. >> a young. woman who. >> is scared. >> she said. >> i was born here. >> i don't. >> even know belize. >> i've never been there. and so part of this. >> intention is fear. but some of it. >> is really. >> to. >> you know, get at some of the systematic. >> issues that have been. >> really safeguarding people. >> and i think that's. >> why these.

>> nominations are so important as well. because we're. >> talking about. >> our. >> health. >> our safety, our national security. >> and so, you. >> know. for the house to send that letter, i. >> think is. >> appropriate. but this is going to be a moment where it is. >> literally all. >> hands on deck. i am so. >> grateful to. >> be in the senate. >> at this moment. >> i'm grateful to be in a position where we can. >> ask the question of. >> these nominees. >> and. >> put things. >> on the record. >> for the american. >> people. >> because, you know, instead of dealing with the issues that people say they care about. >> he's focusing on things that are going. >> to, again, instill fear. >> really try. >> to maybe enrich his friends. and create. >> just more power. >> from my. >> perspective, senator, the. >> three. >> nominees are up this. >> week are. wholly unqualified. >> when will we get to that? >> that that's. >> just that's just a. >> a brain. >> fart on. >> on its own. but the reality that we have now in front of us is someone who is a threat to our national security. >> and tulsi gabbard. >> someone who's a threat to our homeland security. and kash.

>> patel and. >> someone. >> who's a threat to our health. >> and rfk jr. >> there's no question at this. >> point that i if. >> i were a senator. >> i would. >> ask them. i do one thing. >> i block. >> every last. >> one of them. i would. >> not let i would. >> i would tell i mean. the white house is saying, oh. you republicans, y'all don't get to advise and consent. advise and adjust that advise and consent basically is, you know, you do what we tell you to do. >> that's not your problem. >> you're you're in the minority. and with a very thin majority on the other side. >> what what. >> are democrats prepared to do to make. >> the point. >> that three these three individuals is. >> a. >> line that. >> they are drawing on behalf of the country, that this administration is going to come back to the table with somebody else, because, i mean, you already saw what your boy from west virginia did to democrats for. >> 18 months. >> i don't understand why you

can't do the same to republicans. >> well, you know, for me. >> michael. this is not. >> even. >> a partizan issue. >> the reality. >> is we have a responsibility. >> a constitutional responsibility. >> to advise and consent. >> and so when you don't get. >> background checks. >> on people, you know. >> when. >> you don't. get the information. >> before you hear. >> have a hearing. >> or meet them. >> that first of all says. >> we got we got an issue. >> when i. >> look at these individuals. >> i'm looking at. your ability. >> can you do the job? >> i'm looking at. >> your experience. >> have you. >> ever managed anything? do you know what mifepristone is? if you're trying to be the. secretary of hhs. >> and what is your character? again. >> i've been blessed to. >> serve in. >> delaware as under two governors, and i've gone. >> through. the cabinet process. >> and, you know. >> i'm also looking at. >> and i've asked. >> some of these. >> individuals on.

>> my. >> one on. >> one meetings, if. >> the president. >> is saying or doing something. or proposing something that you think is. >> bad for. >> this country. >> will you. >> speak up? >> what's their answer? >> some have said, oh, yes, i will speak up. i will follow the law. >> they lying. >> you know. >> this is lying. >> but i. >> got to ask the question. >> i know, because i think i think i know alicia has a question. i just want a real quick. so did you meet with rfk jr? i have he made himself available to you? i made. >> the meeting. the meeting was very interesting. >> i had concerns going in. >> why was it interesting? >> i had concerns. >> going in. >> and i. >> have more concerns. >> and i'm looking. >> forward to this hearing. >> you know. >> for me, i. >> was in. >> addition to. >> the. >> issue of vaccines. >> which so many people have talked about. and we. >> know the danger. >> of. >> of this. >> you know. >> not being. >> able to. >> really first. >> of all, just putting out. >> misinformation and. >> disinformation and. >> possibly profiting. >> from it. that's a problem. >> i asked questions about reproductive freedom. he's you

know, i've heard. that he was. >> pro-choice, and i heard he is. >> now whatever. >> donald trump says. >> and so i wanted. >> to. >> get some clarity on that. some of. >> these. >> things will come. >> up in the hearing this week. that you will hear. >> and then i wanted to know. >> what do you. >> know about. >> this department? >> it is the largest, you know, one of. >> the most biggest. budgets in our in in the federal government. >> and i was deputy secretary of health and social services in delaware as well as secretary of labor. so, again, you know, i recognize that you're going to have to manage. and ultimately it is about our public health, our safety, and also. >> making sure. >> that we lower costs. >> so i also. >> asked about. >> the prescription drug negotiations. >> are we going to. >> continue on with that? and are there going to be more. >> opportunities to lower costs for the american people? so it will be an interesting hearing this week. i will tell. >> you that. >> let's talk. >> about. >> where his stance on vaccines

and cost for consumers might actually intersect. >> this is from politico. >> the more far reaching options that kennedy has discussed with allies include disbanding the main panel of experts that advises the government on vaccines, evaluates their safety, and recommends which vaccines should be routinely administered to children and adults. and this. is the part that i want to underline and talk about. its decisions can also affect whether public and private insurers cover the shot's. cost for patients. i mean, there there's the reality for our communities and our children if these vaccinations are not available. there's also the reality for folks like myself. i'm still going to vaccinate my kids. the difference is my insurer now may choose not to cover it. >> you know. >> there are. >> a couple. >> of things there. >> first of all, the issue of. >> your insurer not choosing to cover it, which again, is. >> is a problem. >> and there are also vaccines for. children program that we need to make sure that our kids are safe. >> when they go.

>> to school. >> and then. >> all of the hard. >> work that we as democrats. put in to make sure that seniors could get vaccines for free. >> and so. >> again. it isn't just. how he. >> believes. >> it's how it will be implemented and show up. >> for us. and then. >> there's the other issue of the scientists. you know, someone can say, i believe in science, but if they believe in a science from some unfounded, conspiratorial scientists who don't even have a background in science, then that's. >> another problem. and so for. >> us, i think this hearing is going to be a very interesting one. senator bernie sanders actually convened a panel. >> of experts. >> to talk to. >> our our democratic. >> caucus members. >> about vaccines and about the efficacy and about how we need to be looking at this nominee. >> as science and other science fiction. >> so i, i love that. >> there's. >> science and then there's science fiction. >> there we are.

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recognize two sexes, now, male and female. in official documents, he ordered the dismantling of government diversity, equity and inclusion initiatives within 60 days full time. it's called. >> flooding the zone. that's what it is called. there is a reason that it is impossible to fit in a two hour show, right? it is all michael by design do so much so fast that we have no possible ability to cover it all. >> and the fact. >> is. >> you know, i think folks out there. >> are. >> you know, you hear a lot of, well, the people vote for this. >> okay. >> arguably the answer is no. and at the same time, yes. no, in the sense that none of this was discussed outside of some of the broader immigration issues. >> and the january 6th party. >> and the january 6th pardons. but some of the other things that we're now seeing play out that was never, you know, the paris climate accords. donald trump never talked about that as. something that was going to be, you know, first day. but at

the same time, i think we're still stuck with a very important question. my buddy mickey edwards, who's a former member of congress. >> been involved. >> with. >> a number of conversations with him. with with a group of folks. and he asked the question i think is very important. he said, we continue to ask why voters choose chose to elect trump, when, in his opinion, we should be asking why they were. >> so. >> determined to get rid of the incumbent administration. and the party that he represented. because i think that. that a lot of this is an open door for trump, which he which he helped open by sowing the seeds of discontent towards the. biden policies. you know, the economy sucks. when the economy was growing, you know, inflation was high. when inflation was low, the price of eggs, when the price of eggs was coming down. and then he admits, oh, well, i can't do anything about the price of. >> eggs. >> domestic oil production at an all time high. >> exactly. >> so you know what? i think they penalized the media. the

media apparatus, penalized president biden for not doing more interviews, not giving them more access. and i say that because because he would not talk to them. and to be clear, i think the president should have did more interviews, but because he was not, you know, very engaged and involved with the media apparatus, they're like, well, it's not our job to do the do the white house's job for them. i heard that from so many reporters. it's not our job to do the job. we'll just cover what's happening. you would think that not a deportation flight or a deportation flight has happened in the biden administration, when the biden administration was actually sending more people back than trump had. >> so that but again, i. think the important the important narrative here real quick before we go is how how that was leveled up to voters. so voters perception of what was happening and going on around them and the reality were disconnected. and in that gap. is where trump settled in and to alicia's point, flooded the zone. and he continues to flood the zone until we get our collective acts

together and say, no, don't expect it from republicans in the senate. it's not happening. damn sure it's not going to happen in the house. so that's going to require the rest of us to decide what of all of this flooding of the zone we find acceptable. from january 6th, pardons to what we see. on dni, dni. >> so it's. >> now rests in our hands because i'm not relying on the media, that's for sure. >> well, michael, we and the press now, well, we are the media. i'm a politician. >> i'm a politician. >> who's in the media, but i'm not of. >> the media. >> michael steele said he is having an existential. >> crisis in his. >> identity right now. right now. well, we're going to talk e media, but who is a politician and who is running to be the next governor of michigan. michigan secretary of state jocelyn benson. we're going to talk to her about her plans to keep the governor's seat blue. that's next. also, be sure to follow our show on social media, folks. our handle everywhere. folks. our handle everywhere. it's at theweekend. msnbc.

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>> thanks for. >> having me. >> we are. >> happy to. >> well, look. >> jocelyn benson, madam secretary, you have been we you have been on this show since its inception because you have been doing the work in michigan. and michigan is not just a battleground state. i like to say it is actually ground zero for a number of things that are happening in this country. before january 6th, there were armed militias attempting to take over and occupy the state capitol in lansing. emily's list has endorsed you for this campaign. i want to read some of it. it says as governor, we are confident she will continue her strong track record of protecting our freedoms and will work to ensure that all michigan families have access to affordable housing and health care. we've been proud to support secretary benson in her previous elections and are honored to support her. now. what is your running for governor now? why are you taking up this next mantle in the fight? >> well, it's. >> an. >> honor to be taking up.

>> this next mantle. >> i think the you. >> know. other than our announcement. >> this week, the other. >> events of this last. week show and underscore why it's so important for leaders in the. states to be standing in the brink in this moment. because if there is rhetoric, even if it's just rhetoric that's coming out of the federal government that is designed or is being received as being fearful or creating anxiety, and a lot of people are feeling that right now in michigan and in many other parts of the country. it's up to us in the states to protect our residents, to protect our citizens, and then also to just make government work well for everyone. make sure that if costs are escalating, that we're doing what we can to bring them down. things like that. kitchen table issues that people really care about. so i think governors in this moment can remind all citizens, all residents, not just of michigan, but nationwide what government really should be about, which isn't about game playing and mudslinging and violent rhetoric or threats, but really just making everyone's. >> lives a little bit easier. >> saving people time, saving

people money, and being on your side. so i'm running to demonstrate, just as. i have as secretary of state, that government can work for you. and it can also, through strong leadership, protect your rights and freedoms. and you all know i'll stand up to anyone, any bully, any billionaire who would try to stand in the way or take away the voice and the votes or the rights of our people. secretary, you watched what happened this past week. you have trump pardoning about 1500 criminal defendants who were charged in the january 6th capitol attack. we know blue state governors are going to be the ones who, in many ways, are the final line of defense on everything from immigration to reproductive care to just fundamentally defending our democracy. i wonder where you see opportunities in michigan knowing the attacks that are forthcoming, to really stand in that gap? >> well, first, i'll. >> just say, you know, president trump's pardoning of those who engaged in a violent attempt to block the results of a free and fair and accurate election is

just a stunningly callous move that completely disregards law and order and completely disrespects our law enforcement who were attacked that day, many of whom i've heard from this week and are similarly enraged over, over this act. and that's a reflection of in moments like that, we need governors and attorneys general and secretaries of state to continue to stand up to anyone, even if it means, as it has for me in the past, that armed protesters come to my doorstep while i sort of sheltered in my home. that's what i'm willing to endure, so that every resident in our state can be safe and secure in their own homes, in their workplaces, in their schools, and everywhere in between. so i'm proud to take on this fight. i know what it entails. i also know that, again, at the end of the day, we have to lead, cut through the noise and deliver for the people, and that's what i've been able to do. also, you know, in my current role, i do both protecting rights and delivering results. and i'm excited,

frankly, to remind people that that's what government can do. and i think that's why you've seen so many people come out and endorse our campaign this week and recognize that we've just got to move forward into 26 and be serious about making sure we as democrats and we as leaders, remind everyone that government can work for you and it can keep you safe. >> it's going to be an interesting race. >> no doubt. >> the republicans will put up a candidate. you have detroit mayor mike duggan. duggan, who's lost. has launched an independent. >> run for michigan. >> governor, noting what he called the political or deriding, rather what he called the political infighting and the nonsense that once held detroit back, which he said is too often what we're seeing in michigan today. the current system forces people to choose sides, not find solutions. i want to see if i can change that similar tone to what you just expressed. should this independent run by the

mayor stand up, you'll have presumably a republican candidate. how do you see this race playing out in in this new space that's being carved out by republicans nationally? donald trump specifically, that's creating a much more volatile political environment than we've seen in the past. and the role that michigan. played in supporting. trump and trumpism in. >> the last election. >> well, i think in a moment of that volatility, that chaos, that confusion, that volatility can create, my leadership has always been about staying the course, steady leadership and providing residents with the certainty and the confidence that they need to know that government is on their side. and when it comes to prognosticating, i'm not a pundit. i don't claim to be one, but this is my fourth statewide campaign, and just a few years ago, i won in 2022 my statewide race by 14 points. and that

includes building a coalition of support from democrats, independents and republicans, all of whom simply, again, just want government to work well, which i've demonstrated you can do through statewide government. the other thing i'll just mention, i think at the emily's list support and vote mama and a number of other groups and citizens united who've come out in support as as well as several state leaders and lawmakers to this this week in support of us is that in michigan in 2020 and 2018 and in 2022, women have been winning in this state statewide. in fact, since senator stabenow's election over 25 years ago, the only democrat, the only democrats who've won statewide in michigan have been women, with the exception of gary peters and carl levin. so i'm proud to be part of the women of michigan. i know that we can win. i know that we can serve michigan well. we've demonstrated that. and even in 2024, where you see elissa slotkin come through, it really underscores the power of that coalition building and the power of really just any leader who's

simply going to straight talk to the people about who they are, not hide who they are, and say, this is how i'm going to make your life a little easier. >> all right. secretary jocelyn benson, her book is the purposeful. warrior standing up for what's right when the stakes are high. it comes out in may. madam secretary, thank you so much. really appreciate it. all right. >> folks. >> it's time. time for you to go and refill that mug. we have another big hour of news to bring to you with john brennan, mike michael fanone, and dnc chair candidate ken martin. that's all. >> coming up next on the weekend. yes we are. >> are you. >> overwhelmed with identity. >> management in the context. >> of omnipresent threats. >> to your organization? >> hi. >> so no one knows what. >> that means. >> what's happening? >> just explain. >> i want to help. >> secure digital identity. keep it simple. >> like what? >> like when delivering a fresh uniform. or viewing your

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