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>> very good. >> day to all of you from. >> msnbc world headquarters. >> here in new york. welcome, everyone. to alex witt reports. >> we begin with new fallout. >> on day seven of donald trump's second presidency. we're learning more about the mass firing of inspectors general 18, according to nbc news. and among those terminated were watchdogs for the departments of defense, state health and human services and labor. here's reaction from both sides of the aisle. >> ultimately, these. >> inspectors general serve. at the pleasure pleasure of the president. he wants new people in there. he wants people focused on getting out waste and fraud and abuse and reforming these agencies. he has a right to get in there who he wants. >> as someone who. >> introduced the protecting. >> our. >> democracy act, which was designed. >> in. >> part to protect inspector. >> generals. >> to write. >> off this clear violation of law by saying, well, technically he broke the law. yeah, he broke the law. and not just any law, but a law. >> meant to. >> to crowd. out waste, fraud

and abuse. >> new pushback from republicans today following presidential pardons for january 6th. rioters, including those serving prison sentences for violent acts. >> i fear. >> that you will. >> get more violence. pardoning the people who went into the capitol and beat up a police officer violently, i think was a mistake, because. >> it seems. >> to suggest. >> that's an okay thing to do. >> and breaking news. nbc news reports trump's acting deputy attorney general, amol bovi, was in chicago with border czar tom homan to observe dhs enforcement operations. and while new numbers from ice show a reduction in the number of arrests yesterday, the border czar says those are likely to go up. >> but you. >> can see the numbers steadily increase the number of arrests nationwide as we open up the aperture right now is concentrating on public safety threats, national security threats. that's a smaller population. so we're. >> going.

>> to do this on a priority basis, as president trump promised. but as that aperture opens, there will be more arrests nationwide. >> pro-immigration protesters took to the streets of chicago yesterday, and the governor of illinois is promising to uphold sanctuary city laws. >> we know. >> that if they. >> show up with warrants to take. people away, that we're. >> going to hand them over. >> but we also. >> have a law on the books in illinois. >> that says that our local law. >> enforcement will stand up for those. law abiding, undocumented people in our. >> state who are doing. >> the right thing. >> and we're. >> not going to help federal officials just drag them away because somebody. >> pointed at them and. >> said, oh, that person's brown, or that person's not from here. >> and we're at the start of a big week in the senate, with confirmation votes expected for up to five trump nominees, including project 2025 contributor russell vought and trump's attorney general pam bondi, as well as hearings scheduled for five others, including rfk jr. kash patel and tulsi gabbard. we have reporters

and analysts in place ready to go over all these new developing storylines for us, and we're going to begin with nbc's vaughn hillyard. vaughn, welcome. so trump defended firing more than a dozen inspectors general, but how has this move been playing out in washington? >> right. it's our understanding now, alex, that 18 inspectors general have been fired by president trump. this came late friday night, just five days into his administration here. and he is receiving pushback not only from democrats but also republicans up on capitol hill. it was just two years ago that it was a bipartisan agreement that was passed that ultimately put requirements about 30 day notice on a effectively requiring a president to put notice and give substantial reasoning for terminating inspectors general. and that did not happen in this particular scenario. i want to let you listen to part of an interview that just had here in this last hour with one of those igs that was fired. this is mark

greenblatt from the interior department who lays out inspectors general. they usually move from one administration to the next, and typically their role sometimes causes tension by pointing to waste, fraud and abuse inside of departments and agencies. and yet that is where this firing has caused alarm bells among so many in washington. take a listen to part of our interview. >> there was a lot of. >> discussion before. >> the inauguration about what president trump would do with the inspector general cadre. >> this was. >> sort of the worst case scenario. >> was a mass firing. >> if he were to put in folks. >> who are not. >> independent, then that undermines the entire. >> basis of. >> the. >> inspector general. >> community, the whole construct. >> because what happens is no. >> one. >> will believe. >> their reports, no. >> one will believe their. findings have any credibility. and if they don't have any credibility, folks are just going to throw them away. >> it was during the carter administration that with

congressional legislation and the signature of then-president carter, that inspectors general were first created. and again, that was under the idea that there would be an independent watchdog in each of these agencies to weed out corruption or mismanagement. and the concern here is not only the dismissal of these 18 inspectors general like mark greenblatt at the interior department, but it also comes with who ultimately gets put into those positions. who's nominated by donald trump to go into those positions and ultimately be confirmed by the senate? alex. >> yeah, i'm looking at the list of all 18. i mean, you got stat, transportation, commerce, education, energy, treasury, i mean, the list goes on. let me ask you about what's happening this week, though. house republicans, they're joining donald trump in florida for their conference. why is this retreat important and what can we expect? juan. >> this is the opportunity for these house republicans to go and meet with now president at

his doral club just outside of miami, the house gop typically does an annual retreat, and this year it's down to florida. and president trump is already in florida. he will be set to meet with them tomorrow over the course of their three day retreat here. and while the senate works their way through these confirmation proceedings, the house is preparing their legislative package. what could amount to one major bill that could seek to extend the tax cuts, to invest in immigration enforcement to energy policies that the trump administration wants to put forward. so there's a lot at stake here for the house gop as they go to meet with donald trump here for the first time. >> okay. thank you very much, vaughn. we'll see you again. meantime, there's more breaking news this hour for you. ice is releasing some new numbers on the nationwide immigration crackdown. the agency arresting nearly 300 people saturday, which is part of the more than 1400 arrests over the past three days. nbc's maria shriver is near the border in el paso, texas. for us, priya, more

troops arrived there this weekend. how are people down there reacting to the increased presence? >> yeah, that's right alex, we actually saw a plane landing at biggs airfield on fort bliss just yesterday, carrying some of those 1500 active duty troops that are being deployed to the border. that's 500 marines and 1000 soldiers that are joining the 2500 national guardsmen and reserve forces that were already deployed along the border. and when it comes to reaction from el paso residents, it really depends on who you ask. you have to remember that fort bliss is in their backyard, so they're no stranger to having military folks here, and it's not necessarily noticeable just yet that there are more troops here in the el paso area. what we're learning from the folks over at fort biggs is that while these planes are landing here at fort biggs, they're being briefed. and it's unclear at this point where exactly these troops are going to be stationed along the 2000 mile border. but i'll let you listen to what the residents i spoke with had to say about it. take a listen. >> i think that we.

>> the. >> most important thing. >> is keeping our sovereignty. to us. >> and i think with trump. >> doing that. >> it allows. >> us to keep our borders safer and keep america first. >> it's what national. >> security needs. we do need to protect our borders. so i highly believe in that. i have other, more important issues to take care of than immigration. there's got to be a better way to handle that. i don't disagree that we have a problem, but there's got to be a better way to handle it, not put our soldiers in harm's way. >> so these troops are really going to be having three primary functions. one is to be building both permanent and temporary physical barriers to stop those illegal border crossings. they're also going to be using intelligence analysts for the monitoring and detection of migrants. and the one very interesting and kind of unique thing is that they're going to be using military aircraft to actually take detainees back to their country of origin. we actually saw one of those aircraft take off from fort bliss on thursday heading towards guatemala. and that's one of the things that we also saw just yesterday with two members of el paso's

congressional delegation, tony gonzalez, a republican, and veronica escobar, a democrat. and one of the things that she pointed out is she wanted to know exactly where these troops were coming from. and if those troops are being diverted to this mission, could perhaps jeopardize national security. there's also a lot of watching very closely here to make sure that the troops who are involved in this mission aren't violating the posse comitatus act. they're, of course, not allowed to be performing law enforcement functions themselves. and all of this comes on the backdrop of all of those ice raids that we've been talking about. i want you guys to take a look at this video that we saw just this morning from the dea, atf, and homeland security investigators out of the rocky mountain division in colorado. there you can see a raid that was conducted this morning. they say that they were targeting a venezuelan gang, and they were able to see cash, seized cash, weapons and actually made an arrest of 50 illegal aliens right there. alex. >> yes, we call them undocumented immigrants. but

that, again, was in the release from the dea. okay. thank you very much, priya, for that from el paso with me right now, don calloway, host of the caucus room podcast and ceo of pine street strategies, along with republican strategist susan del percio and former republican congressman david jolly. my sunday family, and both of the latter. our political analyst for msnbc. welcome, guys. so don, jonathan allen summed up trump's week one goals this way reward the maga base and settle scores. is that what you expected? has he gone further than you thought he would? >> you know, i've just. >> been surprised. >> at the scale and. >> across all administrations of the execution of the agenda. i've been surprised at the scale and the speed of it. and if this is not just an entree to the administration, if this is what we can expect over the course of the next year or even four years, and even an operation. >> to scale. >> that up, then we are in for a fundamental makeover of what this country looks like.

deporting 1400 people in the week ultimately extrapolates to deporting about 300,000 people. and that is only if you do it at this pace. >> if you're able. >> to pace that, he will remove perhaps a million people. that changes economies, that changes the way we live. everybody in this country on a fundamental basis. so i think we should be very concerned. it is absolutely the agenda 25 project, 2025 being. >> put in place. >> in real time. and i don't think it's just for show. people should be very concerned about what this means for individual communities across several aspects of the american economy and way of life. >> i agree with all that, but we are going to see if he has the resources and the money to go up to that level that you extrapolated to. but to you now, susan, regarding this first week, trump's chief of staff, siouxsie wiles, described it as we all have a little bit of a chip on our shoulder. no one bigger than him. what is that chip all about? is it a desire for retribution? i mean, is that where his priorities lie?

>> it's retribution. in part, it's also trump just it's trump being trump and he has a problem with and a bone to pick with anyone who disagreed with him or may have set him back in during while he was president or during the four years. and he will keep going. make no mistake about it, there is a good point you raised about funding for some of his initiatives, but trump's main goal, i think this week was fear was to scare people, especially migrants in this country and others, those who are here legally into what can come next, even down to birthright citizenship and an executive order which carries no weight whatsoever. but what does it do? it scares people. so i think there's a bit of donald trump just being himself, which is frankly, a bully and someone who enjoys being able to hurt other people. >> yeah. by the way, i just want to correct myself that quote there about the chip that came from the deputy chief of staff,

not siouxsie wiles, but to you now, david, there has been so much with a frenzy of executive orders, the confirmation hearings, the ice raids this week, what needs to rise above the fray? what should we be zeroing in on? of greatest concern? >> well, i think the challenge is. >> all of it really. >> needs to. >> be talked about. >> because it does. >> represent a dramatic shift in federal policy and in the presidency. >> i think analytically. >> we. >> have to look at this through two. >> lenses, though. >> one is the reshaping of america through legitimate presidential power. right. the implementation of project 2025. and so the ice raids are an example where the president has that authority. joe biden had the authority. there were ice raids before trump. but trump is going to maximize accelerate these put these on tv. donald trump suspended the refugee resettlement program, one of the shining stars of our legal immigration system. he is shutting down legal immigration in the country as well. he has suspended the state department's program to clear land mines from vulnerable populations in areas

where american soldiers could get hurt. there's a fundamental reshaping that we saw, i think, when reagan came in after carter, but that's in the category of elections have consequences. they're very dark themes, and we should condemn them. but they're within his power. the second lens is where he's realized from the first term, i can start violating the constitution on day one, and it will take a long time for people to catch up with me. the violation of the 14th amendment, the violation of the impoundment act, the firing of the inspectors general, there are things that donald trump is doing that is abusing his power, abusing the office of the presidency, violating the constitution. right now, those create kind of an existential danger to law and order and the and the order of our republic. but i think what donald trump learned from his first term is come in on day one and start shattering the constitution, because it will take the courts 18 months to two years to catch up with me if they ever do. >> okay, susan, dawn and david, you guys please stay with me. later on, we're going to talk about these headlines, all these early moves by donald trump

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nation who are just doing what we hope that immigrants will do. >> joining me now we have kwame raoul, the attorney general for the state of illinois. kwame, i'm so glad you're here to talk about this. first of all, can you tell us about trump's acting deputy attorney general's presence there in chicago today? what exactly is he doing on the ground there? >> well, you know what? i know it's not a surprise to me that he or others have descended upon chicago. they made clear that chicago and our state would be a target. i can't explain exactly what he's doing, what he plans on observing. but what i can. >> tell you. >> is that we have collaborated with federal law. enforcement on a variety of fronts and all sorts of criminal investigations, and we will continue to do so. however, we don't partake in civil immigration enforcement. we have a trust act that prevents law

enforcement, local and state law enforcement from from doing so. >> and so. >> there's a difference. >> there's a difference. >> between criminal investigations and partaking in civil immigration enforcement. >> so then two questions about that. first of all, you said you expected it. were you given any sort of a courtesy call, told when it would happen at least a day to expect it? was there communication that way, and is there anything your office can do to protect immigrants? you say you have authority in place to do so, but what can you do? >> well, well, listen, first of all, immigration enforcement has taken place during democrat administrations and republican administrations. we are not in a position to interfere with appropriate immigration enforcement. that is the job of the federal government through ice. and that will take place. and we're not going to interfere with that. what we will stand in

the way of is. having state and or local resources being used for civil immigration enforcement. we have a 10th amendment that helps clarify the role of federalism in our our country. the balance between the powers of the federal government and the state government. and there's long standing supreme court precedents that says that the federal government cannot commandeer a state or local government to do the job of the federal government. >> okay. so you're distinguishing between criminal and civil actions. criminal is one thing, but do you find the authorities are encroaching into civil immigration violations or troubles with their actions? >> none of our law enforcement departments are interfering. let

let's let's be clear that they they they they may continue to partake in criminal investigations, but their job is to keep us safe from criminal acts being committed within the state of illinois, not to do the job of civil enforcement or any other federal civil job. and that's how we should want our, our, our law enforcement to act. >> and just. >> very quickly. >> public safety insurance. yes. interest. yes. but again, did you get a heads up about what was going to happen? were you communicated with. >> no. >> i probably find out about these things much the same way as you do through media reports. and which is unfortunate because we have i came in halfway through trump's first

administration and we've we've had an incredible partnership with our law enforcement partners, including homeland security investigations. and we've we've partaken in criminal investigations. and the collaborations have been great, but there has been no such communication. >> okay. you, sir, have described yourself as a birthright, baby. and your state has now sued trump over his executive order. is this a clear constitutional violation, or can trump push, ultimately the supreme court to reinterpret the definition of birthright citizenship? >> it is very clear. we don't go into interpreting our constitution. where the plain language is clear and concern. conservatives have long advocated for that principle of where the language is clear. you don't go through a legislative history and things what they were thinking at the time and, and so forth. and, and so the judge in, in seattle was very

clear that it was a blatant violation of our constitution, that any member of the bar, he surprised that any member of the bar would try to defend such, such a violation. >> are you so concerned that ice is going to go into sensitive areas? the ones we've been talking about schools, churches, hospitals, even, say playgrounds, daycare centers? >> you know, i'm hopeful that they they do not do so because it really upsets communities. and it creates something that undermines communities collaborating with one another. and it also undermines witnesses collaborating with law enforcement. they're fearful of coming forth with information that may help in solving crimes. >> all right. kwame raoul, the attorney general for the state of illinois, thank you so much for your time, because i know you're very busy these days. thank you. thank you. we have

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mirror or partially mirror proposals from the far right policy blueprint. it includes removing anti-discrimination protections and dei initiatives, revoking security clearances, rolling back rights for trans americans, mass deportations, halting actions to fight climate change. and you can pretty much check all of those off the list this week alone. don calloway, susan del percio, david jolly, they are back with me. so, susan, either donald trump was not being honest about project 2025 out on the campaign trail, or others are calling the shots and he's going along with them. which is it? and are you surprised how quickly he's implemented what appears to be parts of this 2025 playbook so far? >> i think it's a bit of all of that, alex. there's no question in my mind that donald trump absolutely did not read 900 pages of anything. so i believe he did not read the full document. but then again, this document was created for donald trump to implement. so these

were his ideas, his beliefs, and they were just put together in a document that could be put out there. and we're seeing it all unfold. this is what donald trump believes in. this was not a the project 2025 wasn't about what government should look like. it's what donald trump wanted government to look like, or what he should do to make government reflect what he believes. so it's not surprising whatsoever. perhaps what is shocking is in the speed that it's all happened. but we shouldn't be, you know, let that speed throw us off at some of the very basic things that he's looking to do, and they should be called into question. >> in fact, on the sweeping january 6th pardons, they are vastly unpopular in polls. firing the inspector general may appear to violate the law. is he doing these things because he feels immune to and does not expect any consequences? >> it's funny you.

>> said the word immune because we're old enough to remember july 1st, 2024, in which trump versus united states, the supreme court decision came out and granted a very strong, pretty much blanket presidential immunity. and so there is no conversation between the firing of inspector generals. that's okay to do when you have a preemptive supreme court decision on your side that grants basic immunity. so i think there's a broad universe of presidential immunity that, as david said in the previous section, you're going to have a hard time catching up to some of the constitutional violations. but even when you do and some accountability is held in the judicial system, you have a deputy, excuse me, you have an attorney general and department of justice who are completely in the tank for you. you have no inspectors generals, and you have a supreme court decision which allows full immunity. >> let me pick up on that with you, david, because he revoked what? security clearances of more than four dozen. i think it was 50. former intelligence officials, experts called it unprecedented. and partizan, at the same time, he signed a memo

allowing the white house to give security clearance to anyone for six months. no background checks needed. unlike his first term, is trump now more insulated with yes men? and is there no one there to pull him back from instincts that violate norms and laws? >> absolutely. i mean, i go through the narrative of 2015, 2016 where even the republican party wasn't sure about this guy. so reince priebus and sean spicer come in from the rnc. you get mattis and tillis and all these other or tillerson and these other folks that were supposed to normalize him in somehow. and to be honest, what they did is they created some roadblocks for donald trump that slowed him down in this administration. there are no roadblocks. it is loyalty above all else. part of the success of project 2025 was not necessarily that donald trump architected it. it reflects perfectly what he believes, but kind of the establishment hard right conservatives inside the beltway knew that they had a champion in donald trump, and so they put the personnel in place to

immediately execute this. and when it comes to violating the law and violating the constitution, clearly, donald trump has suggested catch me when you can because it doesn't really matter. i think this is not only a dark chapter for how the future of america is being rewritten through the donald trump ideology for what it's worth. but the real constitutional challenges right now and the constituency behind donald trump, which seems okay with his violation of the constitution, that that creates a lot, a lot of challenges for the future of the country. >> you can say a lot of third time if you want. there. i agree certain. during an interview on fox news, host sean hannity repeatedly tried to ask trump about the economy, but he seemed more focused on, of all things, former president biden. take a listen. >> joe biden has very bad advisers. >> somebody somebody advised. >> joe biden to give pardons to everybody but him. they wanted to take care of me. yeah.

>> but. >> they wanted to. i don't care. >> they're yelling. >> at me. this is more important because right now the economy is going to do great. i want to know i'm here. so the economy. but you have to understand, he had bad advisers on almost everything. >> listen, good on sean hannity pressing him there. but here. here's what it was. i don't care. does that sum up his priorities right now? is he trying to pin any and all future trump term failures on joe biden? >> well, of course, but that's never stopped him before. alex, i mean, president trump fell into the same trap, frankly, that president biden did when he came up with the inflation reduction act, which implied prices would go down. when inflation goes u prices stay where they are even after inflation falls. so that was donald trump's probably biggest mistake on the campaign trail in making that promise. but again, look what he tried to do. he just tried to flood it all with a bunch of nonsense. so we don't pay attention to the important things. and those security clearances, by the way, that you

just asked david about are the important things, because it's people who have the experience that need the security clearances so they can advise the people in those jobs. currently, because institutional knowledge matters. on the other side of that is giving security clearances to anyone he wants is so dangerous. let's not forget elon musk did not apply for a security clearance because he didn't want to have to answer questions. his staff has it, but he does not. that's probably going to change as well. >> don, as trump seeks to eliminate dei entirely, we have learned that the air force has removed training courses, which included videos of the tuskegee airmen. that is the nation's first black military group of pilots, and female world war two pilots, as well known as wasps. how much history will be buried if military and government organizations feel like they can't talk about it? >> all of it. if you just consider what project 2025

actually looks like, it re codifies government to the extent that in the in the image of what they would want it to look like in a trump believing world, imagine having the technology and the shortness of attention, because we all can only pay attention to reels these days. imagine having the technology and the mandates from government to actually erase these people from history. so if you were to have the audacity to take out the tuskegee airmen from air force and military history is to suggest that they are willing to eliminate these extraordinarily important americans other than straight white men in the history of our nation, as though they simply didn't exist, so it could be completely wiped out across sectors. and there's really a lot there's not much you can do in response if we're only relying upon recorded technology through these five apps that we get our info from, we've got to get back to books, we've got to get back to real history. and a lot of that is just talking to older generations while you still have the opportunity. >> yeah. good point there. quickly last to you, david trump meeting with republicans in

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public affairs and school of education at american university, as well as the author of hate in the homeland the new global far right. welcome, cynthia. so we have proud boys leader enrique tarrio, who received the longest sentence of all the january 6th defendants 22 years. what is it about his pardon that is especially tough to fathom? >> oh. >> there are so many things about this pardon that are tough to fathom, alex. i mean, the proud boys is considered a terrorist group by our allies in canada and new zealand. you know, if you were going to write a playbook for how to encourage or foment political violence, this would be in it. you know, pardoning someone who was found guilty in a court of law, not just for criminal or violent activity, but of seditious conspiracy, which is just about the most serious anti-government charge you can have. it's one step shy of treason. and so it really valorizes. it vindicates and it encourages violent actors

to see these types of crimes as legitimate. >> so i know that you have tracked far right groups. how have trump's pardons been received among them? do they feel like they have some sort of a window of opportunity now? >> well, i think it's very hard to predict what type of violence might come in in future weeks or months, but there's no question that far right actors, both groups and individuals mobilized or motivated by those groups see these pardons as vindication, as valerie valorization, and as a kind of complete legitimation of the actions on january 6th of the insurrection and the attack on the u.s. capitol. so that sends a message that certain kinds of political violence are okay, they're acceptable. and it also is sending a message to people who oppose that. you know, on the left, i've heard a lot of people say, well, it's time to arm up. so it kind of creates a cycle of outrage that just foments and encourages more

political violence across the board. >> and in fact, this latest op-ed of yours, you note that trust in the american judicial system has dropped to an all time low. how does granting sweeping clemency have a negative impact on the perception of courts? >> that's right. i mean, the danger here is not just that we're encouraging political violence itself, but that it contributes further to the decline of democracy. i mean, we're already on a list of backsliding democracies globally. we have record breaking, low trust in the judiciary and the courts. and if people start to feel if americans start to feel that trials don't matter, that the decisions of juries don't matter in certain kinds of cases, if it's if a president or a political leader can sweep that away and eradicate a legitimate judgment of criminal action, that is a bad a bad sign for democracy in general. >> yeah. you also write history is a pretty good guide to what can happen when far right extremists get pardons or acquittals for anti-government crimes. so what can we learn

from the past? >> well, one of the things we can learn from the past is that when you have had acquittals on seditious conspiracy charges or when you have violent actors whose whose actions are legitimized or swept under the rug, it emboldens those actors, and it gives them a sense that what they're doing is legitimate, that what they're doing is even valued by some political leaders. and they have in the past that's led to surges in anti-government activity. so for something like oklahoma city that came in 1995, or 168 people were killed, including a lot of children. so, you know, we don't want this type of message to be received or even sent. and so it's certainly not a good situation for democracy or for the projection of safety and security in the coming weeks and months. >> yeah. let's put an exclamation point at the end of that. cynthia, thank you so much for joining us. a drought in washington, d.c. may be about to end, and this one has nothing to

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