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the same page when it comes to those deportation flights. good day, everyone from msnbc world headquarters here in new york. welcome to alex witt reports. we begin with breaking news, a new dustup between president donald trump and the president of colombia over immigrant repatriation flights. trump just a short time ago announcing tariffs, a travel ban and other retaliatory measures against that country. we'll have more on that in just a moment for you. also breaking today, nbc news reports trump's acting deputy attorney general, emil bove, was in chicago with border czar tom homan to observe dhs enforcement operations. and while new numbers from ice show a reduction in the number of arrests yesterday, the border czar says those are likely to go up. pro-immigration protesters took to the streets of chicago yesterday, and the governor of illinois is promising to uphold sanctuary city laws.

>> we know that if. >> they show up with warrants to take people away, that we're going to hand them over. but we also have a law on the. >> books in illinois that. >> says that our local law enforcement will. >> stand up. >> for those. >> law abiding. >> undocumented people. >> in our. >> state who are doing. >> the right thing. >> and we're not going to help. >> federal officials just. >> drag them away because somebody pointed at them and. >> said. >> oh, that person's. >> brown, or. >> that person's not from here. >> meanwhile, we're learning more about the mass firing of inspectors general, 18 of them, according to nbc news. among those terminated were watchdogs for the departments of defense, state health and human services and labor. here's reaction from both sides of the aisle. >> ultimately, these inspectors general serve at the pleasure pleasure of the president. he wants new people in there. he wants people focused on getting out waste and fraud and abuse and reforming these agencies. he has a right to get in there who he wants. >> as someone who introduced the

protecting our democracy act, which was designed in part to protect inspector generals, to write off this clear violation of law by saying, well, technically he broke the law. yeah, he broke the law. and not just any law, but a law meant to crowd. out waste, fraud and abuse. >> and this is a big week in the senate, with confirmation votes expected for up to five trump nominees, including project 2025 contributor russell vote and trump's attorney general pam bondi, as well as hearing scheduled for five others, including rfk jr. kash patel and tulsi gabbard. we've got reporters and analysts in place covering all these new developments, and we're going to start with nbc's jillian frenkel in florida, where donald trump will be this week. so, jillian, on friday, trump did that mass firing of the inspectors general. has he offered any further explanation for the move? >> yeah, alex, he said over the weekend that this is a very common thing to do, but reminder that trump is required to give congress a 30 days notice before

these firings take place and to give real reasons for the firings. as far as we know, that didn't happen on friday night when it was announced, and it still hasn't happened as far as we know. now, a reminder that these inspector generals are watchdogs over these federal agencies looking for things like fraud and abuse. our own vaughn hillyard spoke with one of the inspector generals who has impacted this one from the department of the interior. i want you to hear a bit of their conversation. take a listen. >> this was. >> sort of the worst case. >> scenario was. >> a mass. >> firing. and this. >> is this. >> is highly problematic, i think, for the. >> american taxpayer because we. >> want independent. >> you know. >> fair, objective. >> independent oversight. >> inside our federal agencies. and that's what those 17 or. >> 18 igs. >> were providing on a daily basis. >> and alex, it's unclear right now who the new inspector generals will be. and when that swap is expected to take place. >> right quickly, officials

confirmed columbia denied entry to two u.s. military deportation flights. what was trump's response? >> yeah, alex, just this afternoon, the president took to truth social to criticize colombian authorities and to threaten a range of moves in retaliation. i want to read to you directly from his post. what he's threatening emergency 25% tariffs on all goods coming into the u.s, a travel ban and immediate visa revocations, visa sanctions on the colombian government, enhanced customs and border protection inspections, and more. so we'll continue to monitor how trump's relationship plays out with these colombian authorities, who have been rejecting these flights so far. alex. >> yeah, absolutely. those 25% tariffs on all goods, it's going to go up to 50%. if they don't turn around and accept the flights within a week. all right jillian thank you for that. meantime we have the breaking news with ice confirming the arrests of nearly 50 undocumented migrants in a raid in colorado today. and this comes on the heels of one of the

biggest immigration crackdowns in recent memory, with ice detaining over 1400 people in the last three days. nbc's maria shriver is near the border in el paso, texas for us. so, priya, welcome. how are officials in texas reacting to the increased military presence at the border there? have they seen any results, by the way? >> yeah, that's a good question, alex. well, it certainly depends on who you ask. of course. the pentagon has already begun deploying these 1500 troops to the border. that's about 1000 soldiers and 500 marines. and yesterday we saw dueling press conferences from members of el paso's congressional delegation, tony gonzalez, representative tony gonzalez, a republican, saying that he's happy to see this troop surge on the border and that he believes that this is necessary to secure the border. meanwhile, we saw representative veronica escobar, a democrat, saying that she's concerned about where exactly these troops are coming from and if perhaps they're being diverted from other important missions that could jeopardize national security. we do know that the troops are going to

have three primary functions here along the border. one is going to be constructing both temporary and permanent physical barriers to try to stop those illegal border crossings. they're also going to be using intelligence analysts for the monitoring and detection of migrants. and then the last function, which is probably one of the most interesting ones, is they're going to be using military aircraft to assist the department of homeland security in those deportation flights that we've been talking about. and we actually saw one of those aircrafts depart from here at fort bliss in el paso, headed towards guatemala on thursday. now, let's take a listen to what governor greg abbott had to say about all of this earlier today on fox news. take a listen. >> on the. >> first hour. >> of his tenure as president. we saw the change. >> where there were military. >> sent to the border. >> the military. >> were. blocking people from crossing the. >> border illegally. >> the numbers. >> of people who crossed. >> on the 19th of. >> january dropped dramatically. >> on the. >> 20th of january. >> so i'd like to say that we haven't had an opportunity to

actually fact check what the governor was saying, but he, of course, seems to believe that these that this troop surge is making a difference. i should also point out that many of the troops that have been landing here in el paso are getting briefed, but they haven't actually started performing any of those jobs just yet. we're learning that they're going to be stationed anywhere along the 2000 mile border. we don't know exactly where just yet, alex. >> okay, i know you'll let us know when you find out. thank you, priya, for that. let's go to nbc's shaquille brewster in chicago, where ice says that new arrests are happening today. so, shaq, tell us what's happening and why trump's border czar is in chicago today. >> well, alex, the administration is really trying. >> to. >> signal that. >> they are. >> serious about this policy of mass deportations. you'll remember that his border czar. tom homan, came to. chicago just after the election, said that this. >> would be ground zero for that. >> policy and pointed to what he calls a sanctuary city policy that. >> is here, which is essentially where state and local. >> officials do not interact or

cooperate with ice. >> or federal. >> agencies in their deportation efforts. well, we know that earlier this. >> afternoon. >> ice posted on social media that enhanced targeted operations are underway in the city of chicago. homan, in another interview, said that there are hundreds of individuals on the list that they are now going after, that they are targeting for arrest and deportation. i want you to. >> listen to a little bit more of. >> what we heard. >> from trump's border czar just. earlier today. >> but you can see the numbers steadily increase the number of arrests nationwide as we open up the aperture right now is concentrating on public safety threats, national security threats. that's a smaller population. so we're going to do this on a priority basis, as president trump promised. but as that aperture opens, there will be more arrests nationwide. >> you heard. >> a little bit of. >> this at the. >> top of. >> your. >> segment. >> but you have the governor of illinois. pushing back on this and saying, essentially, if there are people who are convicted criminals who don't

belong in this country. >> he. >> encourages ice to go ahead and move forward with those deportations. but his concern is. >> about. >> racial profiling. it's about people who are in this community and embedded in the. >> community. >> who are. >> law abiding people here. and that. is the concern that you're hearing from people on the ground. i'll tell you right behind me in this church, you have a coalition of community groups working with immigrants, working with other members of the community and teaching them how to interact with ice if they encounter federal law enforcement telling. >> them what. >> they are required to do legally, what they are not required to do legally, and just making them comfortable with that, with that interaction, and also giving out information that can go out to other members of this community to help quell the fear that is out there, and the speculation that is completely running wild, especially on social media. >> alex. >> yeah, i can imagine. all right, chuck, thank you so much for that. joining me now we have steph, >> a. >> political reporter at axios, and molly ball, senior political correspondent at the wall street journal. good to see you both. so, molly, donald trump is

threatening retaliation against columbia for not allowing the deportation flights from the u.s. he's calling for a series of measures that includes tariffs, travel bans. it comes after mexico also turned away a flight on thursday. did donald trump not expect this kind of pushback? did any advisors suggest this could happen? >> i think the. >> fact that they're. >> imposing these consequences suggests that, in. >> fact. >> they have thought this. >> through, that. >> they were. >> prepared for. >> some of these flights to. >> be rejected. >> and this is a tremendous test for the incoming administration. does columbia back down? do other countries. back down in the face of. >> this type of pressure? >> it is. has the potential to cause, you know, economic pain here, but also. >> certainly in. >> columbia, which depends a lot on trade with the u.s. so i think. >> it's really going to be. >> a big signal about how successful the administration's deportation efforts are going to be going forward, whether they win this, this staring contest with columbia and also with places like chicago. so they're

signaling, as jack said, they're very serious. >> they have. >> consequences in mind for countries and jurisdictions that don't go along, and they're prepared to deal with that. >> yeah. it kind of feels, though, that some logistics fell through the cracks. if planes took off, were on their way and then had to turn around unless they wanted the drama effect, which they would have gotten with that. steph, donald trump is scheduled to meet with house republicans at the annual retreat this week in florida, with trump already taking sweeping actions in his first week in office. what do you expect to be at the top of the agenda there? >> we can expect. >> a lot of talk. >> about reconciliation, how congress. >> is going. >> to move on. >> trump's own. >> promises in. >> a. congressional way, right. >> there's been. >> a. >> divide between the house and the senate over the best way to address. >> border issues, for example. >> to raise. >> the debt ceiling. >> to. >> you know, pass energy. >> policies and, of. >> course. >> extend the trump tax cuts

from the first administration. >> there are big legislative issues that need to. >> get done. and we're also. >> seeing the deadline. >> for funding the government. >> approaching in mid-march. >> so there is quite a lot that congress has. >> to do. and now just a few weeks and there is still division over. how is best to do that, how to make sure. >> speaker johnson. >> can actually get legislation through. >> his chamber. >> with such a small majority. >> there right now. >> so i think we can expect. trump to really weigh in. we've seen at this point that the president has been very willing to dig into some of these kind of very logistical conversations with congressional leaders. and we're expecting johnson to really. >> lean. >> lean on trump and take his lead on the best way to go about this. >> so molly, speaking with reporters on air force one last night, trump spoke more about reports of elon musk having an office in the west wing. let's take a listen to that. >> that's not elon musk. >> we have an office that's set up for purposes of what i do, an

executive order, that the order is carried out, not that it sits around for three months and we'll have about 20 people, maybe more, working out of that office. >> all right. so the roar of the engines there was pretty much drowning out what he was saying. but you could read it. and i'm curious if you think this means anything about a change in trump's relationship with elon musk. i mean, what does it say that musk's office is in the eeob, as we've been told, but people working with him were actually in the west wing. >> you know, i think the whole mandate of doge in. general and elon's role have been rapidly evolving since trump got into office. and i think it's still not clear exactly what they're going to do or how or how hands on elon is going to be, given that, you know, a very different mandate was originally talked about for doge, you know, when they when vivek and elon were teaming up on this and they published an op ed in the wall street journal a couple of months ago talking about what they plan to do. it was a quite

expansive mandate, and they were talking about trillions in government spending. it's pared, you know, glorified it department. having taken over the us digital service and, you know, all this stuff about office space, i don't think we i don't think there's any doubt that elon still has a great deal of access to trump, no matter where he is physically located. but the question i think going forward is really what they want to prioritize and how they want to go about it within the scope of the agency that they have now taken control of. >> yeah, absolutely. makes sense. so step three of donald trump's more controversial nominees are going to have their confirmation hearings this week, those being tulsi gabbard, rfk jr and kash patel, nbc news reports. the white house is warning of consequences for republicans who do not support all of his picks. what is your reporting telling you about their chances? >> i mean, certainly tulsi gabbard is the most endangered out of those three you listed and kind of out of the remaining

nominees to get through, especially now that pete hegseth was confirmed to lead the department of defense. he was the other one who was in some troubled waters for a while there. but, you know, i've been hearing from republicans who are quite concerned about gabbard, who has been tapped to be the director of national intelligence. and i even had one republican senator tell me on background that they think she could. >> have a hard. >> time even getting through committee. that first step in the confirmation process, because we have susan collins and todd young sitting on the intel committee. those are two voices who we are watching to be kind of swing votes. they tend to be more moderate, middle of the road kind of republicans. and they could have real issues. and if just the two of them decide they can't get behind her on committee, the committee would not then be be releasing tulsi gabbard with confidence from that committee, which would make it much more difficult for her to get through. >> okay for you, steph, i also want to play some sound of congresswoman marjorie taylor greene this week. when asked about donald trump's january 6th

pardons. here's that. >> this insane place. >> up here. >> and all of y'all's obsession with january 6th is absurd. everybody outside of here is sick. >> and. >> tired of it. i'm serious. >> yeah, nice language there. redeemed it. if that is the case, why are house republicans setting up a january 6th committee subcommittee, i should say. >> i mean, it's a good question. we this has been a line we've heard from republicans for a long time. right? when you ask them, when any reporter asked a republican on the hill to respond in some way to what happened on january 6th, they will often say, you know, we're looking forward. we're not looking behind us. but of course, now that they're the people in power, they are kind of trying to flip the script. they're now going after the people who investigated, the people who are rioting and sometimes attacking police officers. we're seeing a complete reversal. we're seeing republicans kind of hit back over what they feel like has been years of democrats focused on january 6th. of course, the

president's pardons were just the beginning of that. and that's kind of emboldened republicans to try to kind of rewrite their version of the story in some ways. so they may say, we want to move forward. we don't want to talk about jan six, but there are still going to be the few and mostly those republicans who are, you know, on the further right side of the party who are still going to use this and kind of talk about this in their own way. >> okay, steph, molly ball guaranteed. we'll see you both again soon. thank you. the long wait why getting home is not so simple for palestinians in gaza, and why it might never happen if one of donald trump's ideas comes to fruition. back in 90s. >> safelite repair. >> perfecting your swing is hard. >> i shot that. oh. safelite replace. >> but replacing your windshield doesn't have to be. go to safelite. com and schedule a replacement today. >> woo!

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do not go to purple.com do not visit a purple store” >> striking new comments from president trump on the war in gaza. the president telling reporters on air force one saturday he will urge the leaders of egypt and jordan to take in the nearly 2 million palestinians driven from their homes in the gaza strip. trump saying the resettling of gaza's population could be temporary or long term. >> i'd like egypt to take people and i'd like jordan to take people. i could you're talking about probably a million and a half people. and we just clean out that whole thing. almost everything is demolished and people are dying there, so i'd rather get involved with some of the arab nations that build housing at a different location, where they can maybe live in

peace with you. >> joining me now is obama administration, former deputy assistant secretary of state and president of the washington strategy group, joel rubin. joel, good to see you. look at this. we have egypt and jordan that have rejected the idea of accepting gaza refugees. they did so early in the war. do you think they'd be open to taking them now? could trump force them to do that? are there concerns that israel might build settlements in gaza and never allow palestinians to return to their homes? >> yeah. well, alex. >> it's great to be with you. >> and. >> you know, there's. >> a real. >> through line. >> here, isn't there, where. >> we're seeing. >> president trump now telling our. >> allies to take people. >> at his at. >> his feet, at. >> his command. and when it comes to the palestinians, this is really flipping the entire script on american. policy towards. >> the israeli-palestinian conflict. >> and essentially unilaterally saying it's over. the two state solution should not be the goal. it's time to move the

palestinians out, out to jordan, out to egypt, out to wherever. he doesn't. >> really seem. >> to have much of a plan. for it. and that's just the way the world is going to work. and so this, this sort of madman theory that sometimes is attributed to him to try to intimidate folks around the world, it's more like a mad king theory right now, and i fear that it's going to cause real ruptures with our allies. we depend on jordan and egypt, for example. we depend on them to help us fight against terrorist activity coming from the middle east, to ensure that we have our bases secured in these countries. for those efforts. columbia, you know, the not only will the price of coffee and chocolate spike, but we also highly depend upon columbia for stability in the northern part of south america. and so this really has serious risks to it, not just rhetorical ones coming from this president. >> so the cease fires in both gaza and lebanon, they appear

increasingly fragile, joel in gaza. israel's preventing palestinians from moving back north. they say hamas has violated the terms of the truth. israeli forces have also stayed past the agreed to 60 day agreement to withdraw from southern lebanon and killed at least 15 protesters there today. are these cease fires going to hold? >> you know, alex, they should. these are cease fires that were negotiated. the one in gaza is a six week phase one. there's a phase two and a phase three envisioned, but it's going to require, as you just laid out, a lot of hand holding. same thing with lebanon. there is wiggle room to delay, but that has to have with it allies like the united states, like qatar and egypt and turkey and others who have been involved in these negotiations to have us all engaged and to ensure that it works if we leave it up to the parties alone, just israel and hamas or israel and hezbollah, it's going to fail. it's going to collapse. it's going to require multilateral engagement

led by the united states. that's that's the secret recipe for all of this. and, you know, president trump doesn't want to get involved and doesn't want to really push through. we're not going to see a phase two in gaza, and we're not going to see a continued ceasefire in southern lebanon. and i'm a little concerned about his interests, quite frankly, after these comments over the weekend, in pushing hard for a phase two in gaza and maintaining american engagement on these cease fires. >> what is the future of gaza? is it palestinians being allowed to return and rebuilding, or not? >> you've been asked you just asked the question. frankly, he's been asked ever since the early days of this war, since october 7th of 23. it's the post-conflict vision. will there be a reconstruction? will there be a governance structure inside gaza? the palestinian authority, which has official leadership in the west bank of the palestinian communities, they have not been

brought over to gaza. and we've seen since the cease fire a resurgence of hamas leadership there. so all of these questions, they there is a mechanism. it's called the phase three part of the cease fire deal that president trump and his team supported at the end of the biden administration. they have to start answering these questions. they have to work with our allies in the gulf, saudi arabia, qatar, the uae and others to see if they're interested in supporting the physical reconstruction of gaza. and now this is a real challenge to those countries. i just want to add what president trump said over the weekend should put those countries on alert, that if they don't come in with an alternative, then he is going to move towards pushing the palestinians out to other countries. and that, of course, would create a whole host of other disasters. >> there's a lot more to talk about in the coming days. we'll see you again. joel rubin, thank you so much. new reaction to donald trump's friday night massacre. next.

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appropriations committee and former dnc chair. congresswoman, i've got to get your reaction to this. and what you worry about this being potential repercussions. >> well. >> i will tell you, as someone who represents a very large colombian american community. that that is certainly not going to make my constituents happy. trade with colombia. here in florida is significant. >> but more. >> importantly. >> not only does this. not do anything to reduce costs around people's kitchen table, if i were donald trump, the last thing that i would want to do is raise people's price of coffee chocolate. that just seems like something that is a really bad idea. two things that people need every day and beyond that, colombia is a significant trading partner with us. and i think, honestly, i don't agree with a lot of what president petro says. but he is right when

he says that donald trump needs to make sure that he adopts a dignified and dignified immigration policy that treats people with the dignity. >> that that. >> they deserve, not engaging in the kind of deportation and immigration policy where he's going after people who came here legally as a higher priority than people who didn't. >> yeah. okay. let's get to the trump administration's immigration crackdown, because in addition to targeting immigrants who entered illegally, trump is also ending biden era humanitarian programs that allowed hundreds of thousands of migrants from cuba, nicaragua, venezuela and haiti to legally and temporarily live here in the united states. how much chaos does it create when the definition of an illegal immigrant changes. >> is shifting the sands under the feet of people who are really in a desperate situation to begin with? these are people who followed a legal process

that was established for them, so that we could make sure we addressed the mass, cross border crossings and people coming to the border. by the way, people who are coming to our border crossings are also offering themselves legally and trying to be paroled into the country. repeal of the parole program for haiti, nicaragua, cuba and venezuela just completely ignores the fact that all of those countries have dangerous conditions that make it impossible for those people who their nationals who are in our country to return. and again, i mean, donald trump. i understand that immigration is a priority and border security is priority, but prioritizing people who have who came here with through a legal pathway flies in the face of everything he said, and is completely hypocritical. and it spreads law enforcement and our and our military far more thinly than we should be. >> on to another topic. i'm curious your reaction to trump firing 18 inspectors general

overnight on friday. i mean, that law requires the white house to inform congress of its intentions 30 days before the igs are removed. senator lindsey graham earlier today said trump technically violated the law. so can congress do anything? does it have any recourse? can trump's actions be undone? and then if so, for how long? i mean, 28 days that maybe remain since he did that. >> i mean. >> the law that we tightened in 2022 was designed to specifically address a potential action like donald trump took on friday night, firing indiscriminately without notice to congress, without justification, violates federal law and demonstrates that donald trump has no interest in having independent watchdogs actually review the decisions that are made in each federal agency. that's what inspectors general are for. they're to hold the administration accountable and have an independent senate confirmed individual who is

going to objectively review those decisions. and he clearly doesn't want to have decisions he's making reviewed. and so he doesn't care whether what his whether his actions are lawful or not. he's just going to throw as much stuff up on the wall and see what. so we'll see what sticks. but i'm sure there were going to be legal consequences. certainly these inspectors general can sue for their jobs, and there are other avenues as well. >> let's talk about elon musk, who appeared virtually at a rally on saturday for germany's far right party, which he has praised before. he called to preserve german culture and said, quote, children should not be guilty of the sins of their parents, let alone their great grandparents. are you concerned about his r influence in this administration? >> i mean, elon musk's actions, you really just have to use the if it looks like a duck and it walks like a duck, quacks like one, it's probably a duck. he has platformed anti-semites,

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little bit of a lull. the sun is out, which feels incredible. it has been anywhere from a trickle to a downpour all day long, but it only takes a few inches for a hillside like this. look at this. you can see the burn scars back that way. of course, you shouldn't be able to see any of this, because there should be layers and layers of homes. but all of this wreckage, of course, is part of the worry, part of the toxic debris that officials are worried about maybe even flowing into waterways, even the ocean. they're trying to set up perimeters around scenes like this, so that doesn't happen. meanwhile, officials are really concerned about what this could mean as far as mudslides. landslides only, again, a few inches of rain could unearth what's already very loose ground, loose soil. and also, we've seen so much rain in some places that even at the fire station we visited, we spoke to one of the fire captains there. they were trying to push the water out of the station so they weren't underwater. here's what we heard from one of the captains. listen to this. >> it's a welcome sight because it ensures that the fire is out.

a lot of times there's a the fire gets deep seated, gets into the tree roots and all that. this will ensure that it's completely out. but then again, now we have to deal with mudslides and building collapses. the biggest fear is flooding. we've got a lot of flooding. and even our station right now is getting flooded. as you can see, we're having to pump out water ourselves, getting flooded. the good thing, if you want to say good, is that there aren't any houses with people in them that are going to be affected because they're not their their houses are burned down. >> another look at the devastation. we spoke to one woman. her house is still intact in malibu, but she's got some damage up above her. that is a worrying sight for so many residents who are concerned about what happens next with all of this rain. again, you caught us in a little bit of a lull, but it's just peeking through the clouds. this could last until at least tomorrow afternoon. alex. >> okay. steve patterson, my friend. many thanks for that. let's bring in nbc meteorologist

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she's only the second craziest nominee behind rfk jr. but when you look at her past, look what she's done. look how she flip flops. look at the fact that she's, you know, she she never sees a camera she wants to run away from. so i think tulsi gabbard probably is the second worst choice we've seen in the trump pick so far. >> and we should note that rfk jr. he also has a confirmation hearing on thursday scheduled. let's go to trump's capitol riot pardons because before the election, trump said he'd consider pardoning january 6th convicts. i'm curious to your reaction when he followed through with pardons or clemency to 1500 plus defendants, including those convicted of brutally attacking police officers? >> you know, when you ask that question, it's very difficult because i saw the call records, you know, of enrique tarrio and stewart rhodes. i saw the other people they were talking to. i saw the command and control architecture. i know we talked about this before, alex, but i find it incredible that these

individual going to be invited to any type of programs that president trump or anybody in congress. but i find it despicable that people that, you know, really were the organizing seditionists behind what happened on january 6th are out and about. and somehow it's, it seems, seems normalized in the gop side. and, you know, i've said this before, it's really not back the blue. it's true, the blue for the gop. and i believe that's that's something i think the democrats can run on in the future. because when you have 1500 people that are released, you can go down and actually tick off exactly what they did. i think it's going to be very effective. i think at some point the democrats and independents and center right republicans who are anti-trump have to get confrontational on this issue because it's sickening. it's absolutely disgusting to commute sentences from a stewart rhodes or enrique tarrio, especially. what i know what the department of justice knows, what the fbi knows, and especially what they did to the officers and what they led and the insurrection that day. i just think it's absolutely ludicrous and ridiculous and

despicable. >> is trump essentially saying with these pardons, hey, if you're loyal to me and the maga agenda and you break the law, you commit violence, i got your back. i'm going to exonerate you. and if that's true, how worried should law enforcement be about these pardons? >> they should they should push back in a way like the washington, d.c. police union did. but really, it is a permission structure for violence. and you have individuals that know that if they're doing it behind a fantasy or conspiracy theory, that somehow they're not held accountable for awful and just despicable things. and, and when i talk about permission strikes, you know, you look back in history, right? violence has been a way to really control individuals. and if there's 1500 people out there, his little secret shadow army, right, of people that don't think violence is a big issue. right. and they believe that the election was stolen and believe in the worst conspiracy theories. i mean, these are fantasy driven accelerationists that believe in the worst and most awful things. they call themselves western chauvinists, as you know, alex, which really is just a cover for

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