your funds as soon as the same day your loan is on deck. >> good evening, and welcome to politics nation. tonight's lead raids, not aid. we start the show tonight with a tale of two cities. american communities seeking a helping. hand from our new president. but instead, they're getting a closed fist. from a commander in chief who sees all politics as a bare knuckle fight. los angeles is still burning from historic wildfires this weekend. they suffered the indignity of early morning immigration raids. ice officials defended their actions, saying they spared fire damaged neighborhoods as if.

>> the suffering. >> from these disasters has only been confined to the blocks reduced to ashes. there were also raids this week in newark, new jersey, a diverse city striving to be great again. even a us military veteran was caught up in the dragnet. the mayor of newark joins me shortly. he says many in his city are now in his city, are now living in fear. but we begin tonight in los angeles. joining me now is congressman brad sherman, democrat from california's 32nd district, which includes part of malibu and the pacific palisades that have been heavily impacted by the recent wildfires. congressman, let's start with the immigration raids in los angeles. the new york post reports they began early saturday morning as part of a seven day a week operation,

though, as we noted, fire damaged neighborhoods were spared. similar operations are underway in other major cities, from san francisco to chicago to new york. what's your response to the to the raids and their timing, particularly in the l.a. area? >> well, i. >> think the. >> cruelty is there. >> the idea. >> of not. >> doing it. >> in the. >> fire ravaged. >> neighborhoods, those neighborhoods have been closed off. they're evacuated. >> there's nobody up in there except federal. >> employees and. >> state employees. >> so that's that. >> what a stupid comment. >> we're not we're not. deporting chimneys and burned. >> out cars, which is all. >> that's up there in the. palisades for them to deport. he can claim a mandate to control the border. he has no mandate to come into the city of los angeles. >> and pick. >> up people, some of whom are citizens. >> many of whom have. family members. >> who are citizens.

>> they've been part of our community for decades. >> and now, when. >> we're down. >> now. >> when we need people. >> to help. >> us. >> rebuild. >> people are afraid. >> to come out. >> the harm is not just to those. who are deported and in some cases. >> wrongfully picked up. >> it's to the. >> entire community. >> everyone is afraid. >> now let's get back to the fires. president trump was in your area friday to tour the devastation, and while he was there, he blamed democratic lawmakers for the tragedy, threatening to place political conditions on aid, and mused openly about eliminating fema. during a roundtable, you and the president had a heated exchange. i want to play a little bit of that for our audience. >> president, if i can just defend fema. >> a little bit. >> yeah. they brought thousands of people in. i don't know how

they're doing in other states. they're doing a good job for us here. when you have a disaster this size, you need to be able to deploy thousands of people, which they've been able to do. now, california, if we did it on our own, maybe we'd have thousands of people. you do. >> the problem. >> with fema is they come from all over the country. they end up in arguments with your people from california because they want to do it a totally different way. and i can live either way. but you haven't gotten very much done with fema. fema is incompetently run. >> first off. >> congressman, what did it feel like to challenge the president face to face? >> well, it. >> had. >> to be done. >> notwithstanding the fact that he selected the crowd. and he can talk as long as he wants. i have to share my time with. i had a dozen colleagues there. >> but he's just. >> plain wrong on so many fronts. fema is not arguing with our local people. they're getting along. fema has unique skills on how to deal with a

disaster that if. >> local. >> people are to have those. >> skills, we'd. >> have to have thousands of. >> people on the payroll. just reading the manual over and over again, waiting for the next disaster. >> and then he proposes. >> the idea. every state handle on their own. california would be the closest to being able to handle it on its own. but what happens if. >> the next. >> disaster is rhode island? >> how do they. >> deploy thousands of people with skills, and how. >> to. >> clean up the sites that you're looking at there? how to deal with tens of thousands of. >> displaced people. >> fema has the expertise and if it's mis run. >> well. >> that's his job. >> to run it. he got elected to run the executive branch of government. in other situations, he's claimed. >> he ran it. >> really well. >> in. >> 2017 and 2018. if that's. >> true, then. >> run it really. >> well now. but this idea that every. >> state would have its own. fema is a way to increase costs, perhaps by us. by by, by 50 times. it's. but also think of the cruelty here.

>> we're relying. >> on these people. they're working 12. >> hours a. >> day. >> seven days. >> a week. they're busting their to help us. and. and what kind of pep. talk do they get from the president? he flies in. >> he's down on the. >> ground for a couple. >> of hours, and. >> he says. >> they should abolish the agency. >> they're doing a terrible job. >> you know, he in his. >> own inaugural. >> speech, he. >> insulted our firefighters. >> now he comes to. >> our community and. insults the fema workers. i don't know if you caught it in his inaugural speech. >> where he said that these. >> fires were raging. without even a. >> token of defense. >> so i can't think. >> of a worse. >> thing to do than a disaster. >> first, insult. >> the firefighters, then insult the. disaster workers. >> now, i want to go back to the suggestions by trump and his allies that federal aid to california be conditioned on its policies and its willingness to cooperate with the administration politically. before he arrived in los angeles friday, trump suggested voter

identification and a change in california's water policy before the state could get federal aid. you made the point in friday's briefing that while you disagree with the policies of some red states, you're adverse to withholding disaster aid from those states over political differences. how does a state like california fight back? if the president and republicans do exactly that? >> we have. >> to make it. >> plain to the louisiana delegation that for decades, i and the whole. california delegation voted to help. >> their people. >> rebuild their lives. >> and we. >> never said. >> but change. >> your abortion. >> laws in. >> louisiana, change your. >> gun laws in louisiana. it's completely unrelated. >> and it's. >> cruel to. >> hold the response. >> to. hold a. homeowner who's trying to rebuild responsible. for some dispute you have with gavin newsom. that's. and as to how unrelated this is, obviously, voter id is

unrelated, but. >> even the. >> water it sounds related because some people have seen a picture of a fire hydrant without water in it. that has nothing to do with the water policy. we have plenty of water here in los angeles. i mean, we do try not to waste it, but we're watering our lawns and we're able to do it every day. in the last two weeks, our reservoirs are filled. the reason there was no water in the palisades during that terrible fire. >> is that. >> the system to. >> pipe the water up to the. >> palisades was designed only for foreseeable conditions. >> maybe fight five fires. >> in a row and keep everybody. >> in their homes happy. >> we have a water. >> system that does that. but we did not have a. water system that could fight. >> 500 house fires at the same time. and when you're up in the palisades maintaining. water pressure, you need a good system. >> we had a system that. >> would work for anything except the. >> biggest property damage. >> fire in the history of the country. >> now. >> back in washington, some of your house republican colleagues are celebrating trump's return

to the white house with a fever dream of proposed legislation, including calls to allow trump to run for a third term, to open up a new reinvestigation of january 6th, and to add trump's face to mount rushmore. are any of these ideas doing anything to help communities in need, or bring down the cost of eggs at the supermarket? >> it's your question answers itself and accomplishes nothing for the country. >> a few of my. >> republican colleagues are. >> just. >> looking for ways to show. >> how much they love donald trump. >> they're trying to show that love while keeping their clothing on. so they come up with every other idea that they can to express their love. we're not going to desecrate mount rushmore, and we're certainly not going to pass a constitutional amendment allowing donald trump to run for another term. >> thank you for being with us this evening. california congressman brad sherman. now to new jersey, where city leaders

are seeking answers after a warrantless ice raid targeting a local seafood business in which a military veteran was among those detained and questioned. three undocumented workers were arrested. joining me now is the city of newark's mayor, mayor ras baraka, a democrat. thank you for joining me today, mr. mayor. and give me what's the latest on the ice action in your city? and have you been in contact with the trump administration since that happened? unfortunately, not. no one from the trump administration, ice homeland security has contacted us for any reason. our folks have been trying to reach out to them. our delegation as well, our federal delegation as well, with no answers around the three undocumented folks who were in fact taken away or to respond to the fact that there was no warrant and that people were

kind of falsely detained inside of the store who were actual citizens of the united states. so all of these answers, all these questions have not been answered by the trump administration or by anyone, for that matter. and the community is terrified at this point. now, now, we've seen similar immigration raids now in other cities, including los angeles, san francisco and denver. trump's border czar tom homan and acting director, deputy attorney general emil bove, visited chicago earlier today to personally observe the operations there. homan spoke to nbc's nightly news moments ago. take a listen, mr. mayor. >> chicago is a meaningful place because we want to show the american people that sanctuary cities are not safe. sanctuary cities are sanctuaries for criminals. and that's what we're trying to show here today. >> now, so far, it seems as though the majority of these raids are coming in cities in

states that are heavily democratic, many of them with black mayors. do you feel politically targeted by what's happening? of course. and that statement he just made is just completely not true, that sanctuary cities are not safe. newark has a, you know, reduction in violent crime, 61% reduction in violent crime. if i was to, you know, solve for just immigrants or migrants alone and got rid of all other crime in the city, we would have miraculously, miraculously, low number of crimes that happened in our city. we would be below five 5% of crime in this town. in fact, most immigrants are victims of crime in newark and not perpetrators of crime. so that statement is not true. it's just a cover to go into these communities and further violate people's rights. and it's interesting, a lot of the last time i looked, the border was in texas. he's not hitting governor abbott's state. but while all

these immigration actions have been going on, the trump administration has also placed a freeze on the work of the justice department's civil rights division. the division was put in place to root out discrimination and, among other things, it oversees the consent decree to reform the newark police department. how will this impact your city? well, i think it's completely ridiculous. it's a clear and obvious attack on people in this, in these communities that are underrepresented, underserved, that are looking for the federal government to step in like it has for decades, to right the wrongs that have been happening in states all up and down this country. and we look to the constitution of the united states, federal delegations, our legislators, the supreme court, the department of justice to step in and represent the majority of americans and make sure that we also have due process, that our rights are not violated. and to pull back means

that we are going to be victims. we are left without cover for any and everybody to discriminate against us, to target us, to violate our rights without any redress whatsoever. so this is problematic, particularly for cities like mine. now you're aware of work i do as president of national action network and in your state, reverend steffie bartley, reverend david jefferson, a part of that around dei. so i want to ask you about your criticisms of rutgers university for canceling a scheduled hbcu conference on campus following president trump's executive orders targeting dei. rutgers is among the most ethnically diverse campuses in the country. why do you feel they were wrong to make this decision? well, they blamed it on the department of labor and said the department of labor told them they couldn't do it because of, you know, trump's executive orders. but i think that there are a lot of things that we were told that we

couldn't or could do throughout the history of this country. i think rutgers, being as diverse as it is in a state like new jersey, should have found a way to make this conference happen. this summit happened anyway. if they had to find private dollars, if they had to bring community partners together to make this a reality, they should have done that. to push back against a policy that they know is not correct and is unconstitutional in the first place. rutgers should be a bastion of democracy, a bastion of equity here in new jersey, and they should fight and not run and hide in a cave and blame it on the labor department. you know, to do the things that we know are incorrect. they should step up to the plate and get support from their partners to make this idea happen. governor murphy is leaving office, and there are some that are talking about running for governor, including you. do you think this issue of dei and diversity will be a central issue in the gubernatorial race in new jersey

and in governor races around the country this year? absolutely, i think so. i think they've made it an issue. i mean, and ultimately, in new jersey, 1% of the procurement dollars are spent on less than 1% on black and brown and women businesses. so when they say, we want to stop, dei hasn't started yet. in many places, we're still fighting to get inclusion. still fighting to get diversity. still fighting to get equity. and when? when this is turned on its head, it makes our fight a little bit more difficult. it makes our struggle a little longer. and so we have to bring our resources together. so this will be a central issue in this gubernatorial race because our economy cannot grow if you do not allow it to be inclusive. well, i can imagine a gubernatorial debate in new jersey if you're one of the candidates, i can't imagine it not come up. mayor ras baraka, thank you for being with us. mayor of newark, new jersey. coming up, politics and the

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undoing biden era executive orders, and directing ice to start widespread deportations. nbc news is reporting that both acting deputy attorney general emily bove and trump's border czar, thomas homan, who are on the ground in chicago earlier today to personally observe immigration enforcement there. joining me now to break it all down are jennifer rubin, editor in chief and co-founder of the contrarian and an msnbc political analyst. and ahmed baba, author at ahmed baba news and columnist for the independent. jennifer, on day one, trump issued a flurry of pardons, surprising even some of his own supporters and aides by pardoning virtually every person charged in connection with the january 6th attack on the u.s.

capitol, even getting pushback from trump's most ardent gop supporters. here's lindsey graham earlier today on meet the press. >> some fear that you will get more violence pardoning the people who went into the capitol and beat up a police officer violently. i think was a mistake because it seems to suggest that's an okay thing to do. >> your thoughts? jennifer, on trump's weak one is weak ones actions and his january 6th pardons in particular. >> lindsey graham. >> made the most. gentle of objections. >> you didn't see him take to the senate floor. you didn't see him threaten to have oversight hearings. >> it is the most mild of. >> quivering of objections. and yet. >> he's better than most of them. >> because most of the. >> republicans said nothing. or they even said they approved of this monstrous act. >> republicans for decades, as you know.

>> now. >> have been saying. >> they are the party. >> of law and order. they stand with the blue. well, no, they stand with. >> the mob. they stand with the guy who. >> is wearing the camp auschwitz t shirt. >> they stand. >> with the people who were carrying. confederate flags. >> through our capitol. >> they stand. >> with the people. >> who desecrated. our nation's citadel. >> of democracy. so that's. >> what donald trump. stands for. and he went throughout the rest of the week shredding the constitution as he went, trying to repeal, with the stroke of a pen, birthright citizenship. trying to remake the federal government into. some kind of crony operation. on and on he went. some of this. >> was performative. >> other things were grossly unconstitutional. many of them will wind up in court. but he said he was going to be a dictator on day one, and that's what he's trying to do. >> trump's first week also featured ice raids at major cities across the u.s, deportation flights and sending active troops to the southern

border. ahmed, i'd like to get your critique of trump's first week and whether those things he's done have been politically effective. >> well, i mean, if you. >> look at donald trump's first week, we are getting confirmation and a reaffirmation. of what we've. >> all been warning. >> about, right. >> for the last, for. >> me. >> over a year. >> project 2025. donald trump spent months lying about his ties to project 2025. he won. he went ahead and hired at. >> least 11. >> of its authors, contributors and advisory board members. and then he went. and as the time. magazine analysis. >> said, implemented, two thirds of. >> his. >> executive orders. >> are aligned with project 2025. so what we're seeing is a reshaping of the federal government into a. tool of the far right. and when it comes to these deportations specifically, i'm worried that we'll see more of what the newark mayor discussed. >> that. >> we. >> might see some citizens being caught up in this. and that's not. >> that's not how we should be enforcing this. >> we should be giving work permits to nonviolent undocumented immigrants, and we should be doing a more common

sense approach. so overall. >> i think it's. >> now clear. >> more than. >> ever that when trump says make america great again, it's very clear. >> he's not. >> you know, targeting wokeness. he's turning the clock back and really. >> taking on fundamental. >> progress we've made. and we haven't even touched on the di civil rights aspect of that. now, jennifer trump spent much of his campaign saying he was unaware of the conservative policy outlined found in the project 2025 document that you and i may have referred to now. time magazine writes, quote, trump's early actions mirror project 2025 the blueprint he wants dismissed in these early days of trump 2.0. are democrats prepared to fight? and have they mobilized effectively against him? >> in some respects. >> yes. and in some respects no. lawsuits have already. >> been filed on some of these. >> for example, on the illegally constituted d.o.j, on the

birthright citizenship. but frankly, i have not been all that impressed with members. >> of. >> congress who don't seem to be able to organize themselves to speak strongly with one voice, and. >> some of them. frankly voting. >> to confirm patently unfit, inappropriate nominees like christine noem, who was confirmed with democratic. votes for the department of homeland security. >> so there are some voices that are. >> strong, the usual characters. we know who they are. jamie raskin, sheldon whitehouse in the senate. but as a unit, i would like to see a more vociferous, more organized response. >> that explains. >> to the american people why it's so dangerous to remake the federal bureaucracy. what is wrong with, for example, ripping up the temporary protective status that allows hundreds of thousands of people to stay in this country legally, who he is now threatening to throw out and as you said, die. it's not just

die. it's not just some newfangled theory of inclusion. he went back to the 1965 civil. rights based executive order of lyndon johnson. which obligated the government to hire contractors who do not discriminate. he is trying to resegregate the american society and the federal government in particular, which, as you know, has really been one of the backbones of the black middle class in the united states. he is going after people because they're black. he wants people to snitch on others who he suspects. of hiring dei candidates. what does that mean? hiring blacks, hiring women because he doesn't think any of those people are actually qualified. so this has become sort of the worst of mccarthyism, of racism. and we are just through the first week. so we are headed down a very treacherous road, and democrats really have to start singing from the same hymnal.

>> he's just been president six days. there's one week tomorrow and he's done all of this. and you're absolutely right about helping to create a more extensive black middle class and a ladder for blacks that were not middle class. to get to the middle class, it is as bigoted as you could be. but let's turn now to the conflict in the middle east. you both write about it. with the release of hostages. there has been a spark of hope in recent days. now president trump is pushing jordan and egypt to take in palestinians, to, quote, clean out gaza a somewhat unrealistic solution assigned with israel's far right and is aligned with them and their far right policy of just eliminate a two state solution, eliminate the palestinian state at all, that the palestinians are driven from their home, from their homeland, is what he's saying. i mean, talk about trump's comments and

how they would impact the world's view of u.s. policies toward the israeli-palestinian conflict, using the words clean out when there's allegations of ethnic cleansing. and that's the exact word. that's the exact word he used clean out is. >> is disturbing. it's troubling. >> it's not. >> what should. >> be coming. >> out of the mouth. >> of a of a us president and say what you will about the biden administration's policy. they they work meticulously and. engineered this this cease fire agreement. in this hostage. >> negotiation we. >> see played. >> out here, trump trying to take credit. >> for it before he. >> was. >> even in office. right. but this was something especially if you read the bob woodward book, you can. see the what it takes to have this diplomacy, how. >> fickle it is. >> right. and for him to come and throw these incendiary comments in, what do you think netanyahu and the far right members. >> of his cabinet are going to think? >> they're going to be like, oh, do. >> we have a green. >> light to go harder? should we go, can we. >> go into. >> you know, these these really, you. >> know, the southern part. >> of gaza? can we re-implement our initial goals to really to

really try to fully eradicate hamas, which then ends up leading to more civilian casualties? so i want to see how netanyahu reacts to this. and i'm worried that he might be putting in jeopardy this this really fragile peace. yeah. well, now netanyahu has asked for a meeting with trump, and i do not believe that will help temper anything but jennifer to do. the events over the past week offer a glimmer of hope on a future resolution in the war torn region. and what about the hopes and dreams of the nearly 2 million palestinian people? in light of trump's latest comments. >> i am deeply disturbed by those sorts of comments because that does egg on the far right in israel. and right now this is a very shaky deal. as you well know, we're not going to get all the hostages back until the end of the so-called second phase, and rebuilding is not going to be completed. a full and complete end to the war is not going to be completed until the

third phase. so it is in the interest of trump and the far right in israel to try to disrupt this so they never have to face the consequences, which are they have got to recognize the dignity, the independence of the palestinian people. and i will say this, there was a lot of controversy in this country and a lot of criticism of biden, that he wasn't doing enough for the palestinian people. many of us warned that donald trump essentially wanted to engage in ethnic cleansing, that he wanted to eradicate any hope of the palestinian state. so i'm very sorry that those people had criticisms with president biden. but if they didn't turn out to vote for him, this is the consequence. we get someone. >> far. >> far worse and who is in fact destructive of the process. now, i am delighted to see hostages returned, although deeply, deeply disturbed, to see them violate international law by parading them around, which is clearly in violation of

international law. but we now get word that additional hostages are going to be released even before next saturday, which is good news. and we have to hope that we keep on track. i would just say one thing. donald trump wants a nobel peace prize. he wants to have a saudi deal. this is not the way to get there. this is going to create further unrest, further violence. if he wants that nobel peace prize, i sure hope he gets the idea that he better go along with the biden plan, because that's the roadmap to peace, and he can claim all the glory he wants. if that succeeds. >> and i join you, i always ask my friends, some in my own organization, why there were no protests against mr. trump while they were protesting everywhere. biden and kamala harris went, and here you have a guy that is going way past where biden went. i haven't seen one protest. i hope you hear me in dearborn. thank you to jennifer rubin,

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conspiracy, people who attacked police officers. on january 6th, six people who have shown no contrition for their actions. and i have to remind our viewers that some of those who participated in the riot had white supremacist connections. watching the president pardon these people as a black law enforcement veterans, what went through your mind and what message does it send? >> well. >> reverend sharpton. >> the use. >> of these pardons have changed over the years where we've. seen these pardons have helped, you know, black and brown people from discrimination cases. but in this instance where you see these pardons that that have occurred, you saw every major organization basically speak out against this. what this has done is it really has impacted the law enforcement community, because now you are allowing for those that have taken a criminal action at the nation's capital

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many court cases and pending police reform agreements consent decrees face an uncertain future. how will this impact law enforcement officers, particularly black officers and black communities? this is going to. >> be. >> extremely. >> extremely tough for us. >> because in those communities. >> where d.o.j. agreements were put into place and many of these communities, you have agencies that are trying to work diligently to work with their community and work in partnership with them. these cases that d.o.j. were putting together and that they had agreements on, were allowing for us to actually to make sure that we are working alongside, hand in hand with our communities. and that's what we need to do to make sure that we are united, that we are united on the same accord, and that we're getting that community feedback and that input that allows for us to go out and do the job that we need to do. so for us in our black law enforcement, for all law

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