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love.com. >> on this new hour of eamon, we are tracking donald trump's retaliation against colombia as ice raids ramp up here at home. plus, we're going to look ahead to this week's confirmation hearing for rfk jr here. hear what's really at stake from a lawmaker who contracted polio as a child. and the irony of elon musk's comments at a political rally in germany. you'll want to hear it, to actually believe it. i'm ayman mohyeldin. let's do it. revenge and retaliation are quickly becoming cornerstones of donald trump's second term. there's a theme that is emerging here, and for better or worse,

it appears to have somewhat worked on at least one world leader. today started with an angry trump after two u.s. military deportation planes or flights were denied entry into colombia. based on our reporting, the flights were grounded after president gustavo petro revoked all diplomatic clearances for the aircraft. the flights were carrying about 80 colombian migrants. each had departed from california. petro's office says that the planes were not halted because he didn't want to facilitate the return of colombians back into his country, but because the government was prioritizing dignified conditions for the migrants. petro explained further on x, saying a migrant is not a criminal and should be treated with the dignity a human being deserves. we will receive our nation, our nationals in civilian airplanes without treating them as criminals. colombia must be respected. well, with a personality like donald trump's, you can guess how that went over. the president ran into his knock off twitter site to announce his retaliation, saying colombia's

president has put america's national security at risk and colombia will pay the price quite literally through truth social, trump announced new tariffs on colombian imports, visa sanctions on government officials and allies, enhanced customs inspections and financial penalties. trump said the tariffs on colombian imports will start at 25%, but rise to 50% in one week. and late this afternoon, the president of colombia announced that he was imposing a 25% tariff now on u.s. imports. but for whatever reason, he says he'll provide his presidential plane for the dignified return of its nationals. and new tonight, secretary of state marco rubio has weighed into the conversation authorizing travel sanctions not only against the colombian officials who interfered with these repatriation flights, as the u.s. calls them, but against their immediate family members as well. we're going to see how that plays out and how trump inevitably sells what he did as being a tough guy. let's be clear here, though, this is not being tough. this would have

never happened if not for donald trump's thin skin. colombia stood up for itself, which is really trump's problem after all. we know what kind of man he is. it's hard to think that trump would be angered over claims that the flights were not dignified. if he cared about dignity, he wouldn't have given all federal law enforcement agents the same ability as dhs and ice agents to target undocumented migrants. if dignity was a concern, he wouldn't have reversed a policy from 2011 that prevents ice raids at schools and churches and hospitals. all of these areas are now fair game in trump's administration. they say this is all about finding criminals who are hiding. we're talking about school age children here, church goers and patients who are in need and in some times, in some cases, actually receiving health care. cruelty appears to be always the point to cause fear and panic among immigrant communities that make america truly great. meanwhile, here in the states, trump's mass deportation plans have expanded in colorado as

well as chicago. and that is where we find nbc's shaquille brewster. shaq, it's good to have you with us. tell us a little bit more about what we know about these ongoing ice raids. and perhaps if you know why, chicago. >> well, i mean, one point of. >> emphasis from the. >> trump. >> administration, when you listen to officials and what they've been saying in interviews over the course of the day is that it's not just ice that's taking part in the actions that we're seeing today, that. >> multiple federal. >> agencies are involved. if you look at the action that we saw. >> in colorado. >> it was. >> actually a. >> dea, a drug enforcement agency warrant that led to. >> the arrest of some. >> 49 people. >> and then ice determined that 41 of those individuals were here illegally. when you come to. >> chicago. >> you know that tom. >> homan. >> the white house border czar, was here in. >> chicago overseeing. >> some of the operations. but you also had the acting deputy. >> attorney general. >> here in chicago that went on a. >> ride along. >> as they picked up one. >> of these immigrants. >> for deportation.

>> so the administration. >> is highlighting that this is a full. >> government effort. and they're also saying that this is something. >> that. is targeted. their official term is targeted enforcement operation. >> they're trying to. >> send a signal that. this is not what people. feared initially, at least not yet. in terms of. those wide ranging sweeps of workplaces or schools or churches, but instead they're working through a list. they say they're trying to. target individuals, as they also acknowledge that they are picking up people who are not criminally charged, who have not been prosecuted criminally, criminally. now to the second part of your question, why chicago? it's very clear that this administration is looking at chicago. >> they're trying. >> to highlight the sanctuary. city policies here. listen to a little bit of what tom homan told our gabe gutierrez earlier today. >> chicago is a sanctuary city, and it's a target rich environment. we know a lot of illegal aliens live here. we know we don't have access to cook county jail, one of the biggest jails in the country. and i'll say it again, if you if

the politicians, the mayor and the governor would just simply work with us and let us in that jail to arrest the bad guy in the jail is safer for the officer or safer for the ambulance, safer for the community. i don't get it. when you force us into the community, it puts the community at risk, the office at risk, and the alien at risk. so yes, chicago is a meaningful place because we want to show the american people that sanctuary cities are not safe. >> and as you're. >> seeing this stepped up enforcement, you're also. >> seeing immigrant. support groups in. >> chicago step up their preparation and reaction. you see some of the video from a know your rights training that i kind of sat in on yesterday, where they're literally sending out information on what to do for folks in the community. if they encounter a member of ice, they want people to be prepared. they say that even if people are here illegally, the concern is also racial profiling, as these raids and as these enforcement actions pick up and continue not just in. chicago but across the country. eamon. >> all right. chuck brewster, thank you so much for that update. greatly appreciate it as always. with me now, msnbc

contributor paola ramos. she's the author of defectors the rise of the latino far right and what it means for america. also with us, tara setmayer, co-founder and ceo of the seneca project and former republican communications director. it's great to have both of you with us. paola, i'll start with you. and i get your just your broad takeaways from these operations and these raids that we're seeing take place. you know, my initial takeaway from it is this is an operation that the administration wants to be very visible. they're making it very well documented. they're taking reporters out with them. tom homan is going there to raise the profile and visibility of it. >> so photo op. >> it's the photo op. >> so yeah. >> help us make sense of this. >> i it's sad and i i'm sorry. it's sad. and i also laugh because when you see those images, you know in the ice raids, tom homan doing this ride along and you see the military planes carrying migrants, the troops deploying to the border, it almost makes you feel as if we're at war, but at war with

this imaginary enemy. and i think that is the point. the point is to sustain the very fear that got donald trump to the white house until 2028, right? so that americans continue feeling that fear that us versus them game. and that is the point to create those images. but i think to what we're seeing on your screen, look, this is exactly what he said he was going to do in 2017, ice raids spiked by 30% in the first weeks when donald trump initially got into the office. the idea is to show force and everything he said he would do is being done. now, the danger is when we start seeing this administration being even more emboldened, right when we start seeing ice going into these public spaces without warrants at a greater rate. and when we start seeing more states like mississippi that is currently proposing bounty hunter laws to encourage their own citizens and residents to literally hunt for migrants for money, you know, so that is what scares me. you

know, when the sort of recklessness that is being inspired right now becomes the norm. >> tara, same question to you. i mean, just give me your thoughts on on this first week of trump, specifically on this issue with these types of raids and operations that we're seeing, you know, a big, you know, visibility, if you will, to be more objective about it. they want the media to cover it, and they certainly want the images out there to function, perhaps as a deterrence. i don't know if statistically that's how it works, but certainly something the administration is trying to do here. >> yeah. >> i mean, it really. does feel more like. >> it's a production. he's producing a reality. show with. >> this, and the shock. >> and awe is the point because. >> let's be. >> honest. >> these raids, they really aren't that. >> big, right? >> i mean, it's i mean, it's meant to scare, but it really. isn't that. >> abnormal from. >> what ice normally does. so that the difference. >> is the cameras and the photo.

>> ops and all of the talk of mass deportation. >> look. >> donald trump knows and the people around him who actually have to execute these policies, they know how impractical. >> it is to have. these mass. deportations and. >> rounding people up. the thought of that is awful, right? no one would. argue that you need to get the people who are here illegally who are criminals, that they should be the priority. that's fine. that's what ice does every day. but the problem. is the slippery slope. >> of this going into other areas. >> and the slow drip of this becoming. normalized in a way that is, is frankly, un-american. i mean, are we going to start hiding people in our floorboards next in this country because of the way donald trump's policies. are being put forward? because, you know, paula, makes a great point about bounty hunters. we're going to be snitching on our own citizens or our own people in our community if they're not citizens or maybe their children are citizens. i mean, it's this is not america, okay? this is not what we do here. and we

should not let the drip, drip, drip of this normalize anything that's going on. the other thing, too, is that that's. >> interesting is. >> there are republican congressmen, particularly in florida, representative salazar, i believe, who is down in florida in the 27th, 27th district, begging the department of homeland security. oh, please don't come for the cubans, the haitians and the venezuelans that are in my district. you know, they were given a humanitarian parole under joe biden because of the political unrest. and for them being in the country. and the biden administration gave them legal status protected in this country temporarily. and she's like, no, no, no, please don't come for them. so how do those cubans down there in south florida feel about the fact that dhs may be coming for their folks who are supposed to, who were coming here legally and safely under president biden, that will now be targeted by donald trump? because guess what? oh, on day one, he got rid of that humanitarian program. that's 500,000 people. so just for the people of all those latinos and hispanics who voted for trump. thinking that he wasn't coming

for them, guess what? >> really quickly. >> coming for them? >> no, it's a good point. but really quickly, what do you make of the rift between colombia and donald trump? were you surprised by president petro's position, and how much of this is animated by the fact that he is on the opposite side of the political spectrum than donald trump? >> well, the thing is, there's a counter effect to all of this. when donald trump, when the first administration implemented those sanctions in venezuela, the counter effect is that it completely imploded the economy and that it drove migration north. so, so many of the countless thousands of venezuelans that we saw at the us-mexico border during that first administration were coming because of those sanctions. and so i think that's one thing to keep in mind. the other thing is colombia is a very important partner, because that is the entry point into the darién jungle. yeah. so many of the migrants that crossed the darién jungle start in colombia. and so if in fact, we really care about protecting the border and securing this country, then he has to be smart about that.

>> and he has a good relationship with colombia. >> and he is doing exactly the opposite. and that's the thing. it's all forced, but they're not really thinking through the counter effect of all of that. >> i'm not surprised that they're. >> not. >> really quick about colombia. >> yeah. go ahead. >> just really fast. the other reason why the colombian president rejected those flights was because they were on military planes, and it was a sovereignty issue. so that's like, would we accept someone that brought stuff, you know, that brought people over here in their military flights without prior authorization? no. so if they had done it, it's the whole shock and awe of the military and all of that. colombia was like, no, this is a violation of our sovereignty. we're not going to play your game. bring them over here on regular civilian flights like you usually do. so i think that's a key point that people need to know about. >> that rift. >> no, thanks for making it. all right. stick around. up next, we're going to talk about how trump's january 6th pardons are emboldening extremists. >> you'll be back. emus can't help people customize and save with liberty mutual.

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>> this is a january 6th pardon watch party hosted in miami by january 6th rioter gabriel garcia. during donald trump's second inauguration, garcia gathered with his friends as they waited to see whether trump would pardon him. i think a lot of people would ask, why do you deserve to be pardoned? >> i've never been arrested in my life. i never did drugs. i never held. >> a gun. >> i paid my taxes and i deserve to be pardoned. >> some capitol police officers believe that pardoning january 6th rioters is a betrayal. what do you think about that? >> they'll keep saying, oh. >> it was the worst day of my life. so why are you reliving your life selling books and selling t-shirts if it's sold dramatic. >> to you? >> so, yeah, i don't care what those people think or say. >> don garcia is a cuban american, former u.s. army captain and one time florida gop state house candidate. he was a member of the miami proud boys when garcia stormed the capitol on january 6th, he livestreamed himself entering the building, insulting police officers who

calling for nancy pelosi. >> nancy, come out and play. >> garcia was one of the first people in florida to be arrested for crimes related to january 6th, and in december 2024, garcia had been sentenced to a year in prison for interfering with law enforcement during a civil disorder. the last time you and i talked, you said, i regret going that day, and you said, if i could have, i would have never gone to washington dc. >> yeah. no, no. >> do you mean that? >> no, i didn't. >> mean it. you didn't. >> mean it. absolutely not. i'll go again. 100%. >> you would? >> yes. >> there's a proud boys flag right in this room. the last time you and i talked, you said that you were disassociating yourself from the proud boys. are you joining them again? are you back with them? >> i never did it. never got off, save for the media and for that. >> so you were lying. so basically, the last two years, you and i talked. you were lying. >> i had to, because my. >> own country. >> for association with who i hang. >> out. >> with, what i do or. >> say. >> was under a microscope. >> so you will join the proud boys again? >> i don't need to join them. i'm ready. >> you're part of it.

>> yes, absolutely. >> garcia had been out on bail since 2021 and had been wearing a court ordered gps ankle monitor. are you still wearing your gps ankle bracelet? >> see, i could pull it up. >> no. it's okay. what do you what do you plan on doing with that? >> cutting it. >> up and taking your shooting. >> range to a shooting range? >> yeah. i would love to shoot it up with everything i got because it's freedom. >> a couple of hours later, donald trump made sure the writers themselves felt safe, including those who violently assaulted police officers. >> so this is january 6th, and these are the hostages, approximately 1500 for a pardon? yes. full pardon. >> garcia was officially pardoned three weeks before he was scheduled to go to prison. >> free at last. >> what's the first thing you're going to do right now? >> i'm going to go pick up my friend gilbert from tacoma. he's in coleman about a five hour drive heading out right now. have his book bag, id, phone charger, warm weather because it's cold up there now. and come

right back now. >> are the proud boys organizing any actions anytime soon? what's the next step for now? >> one big party. that's it. that's all we got and ready to move on. like i said, with our lives and go back to working and doing what we do. >> shortly after this, garcia was on his way to welcome fellow january 6th defendants who had just been released from prison. >> let's go. yeah. welcome home, heroes. >> welcome home. >> let's go. >> two days later, garcia was waiting at the miami airport to welcome his newly pardoned friend, enrique tarrio, the former chairman of the proud boys, who had been serving a 22 year sentence for seditious conspiracy. like garcia, tarrio no longer wants to be referred to as an x proud boy. in fact, he's already vowing to seek retribution and vengeance. >> i'm happy that the president is focusing not on retribution and focusing on success, but i

will tell you that i'm not going to play by those rules. the people who did this, they need to feel the heat. they need to pay for what they did. >> tara and tara are back with me. that was some incredible reporting. i mean, honestly, like it's just on such a granular level. it gives us such insight into the into the mindset of who these people are and what they plan on doing. and i think the takeaway for me, watching that interview with with garcia, with gabriel garcia is the fact that he feels emboldened, that he was saying to that all the stuff that he had said before was a lie, and that he did it because he just wanted to kind of get by. and donald trump absolutely doesn't care that this guy broke the law or anyone broke the law. he pardoned him. and by doing so, he has now unleashed this guy back into our society. >> yeah, whatever inch of remorse he showed me two years ago, and he told me that he regretted going to the capitol that day. obviously it was a lie. and then what was interesting is on friday i went to enrique dario's press conference. this is someone that is now, as you see, as you saw

on the screen, like is literally being treated almost like a king, enrique joked. and he said, if donald trump gives me a job, i want to be the secretary of retaliation, he said. and i think, yes, he was joking. but i think that speaks to the way that they're feeling, particularly in a miami-dade county that just lived through a massive rightward shift in miami-dade county that saw the rise of someone like, indicate that the proud boys, that saw the way in which the proud boys have been flirting with local politics for many years. and so i think the question is, how far are they willing to go? we know how far they went for donald trump in the name of the big lie, in the name of curing this country from communism. they spent a couple of years in prison. they're full of rage. they're full of admiration. how far will they go? >> let me play for you, tara. this other soundbite from enrique tarrio, and i'll get your thoughts to it. on the other side of it. listen. >> the proud boys did nothing wrong and american patriots. did nothing wrong. what i mean by retaliation. >> i want to be. >> again, unequivocally clear.

>> it's not. >> anything to do with violence. >> i want investigations. >> i want investigations, and i want accountability. >> so he on one hand says to alex jones, he wants people who did this to feel the heat, whatever that means. and now he is, as pablo was mentioning, and as we played in that clip, he wants retaliation and saying that he doesn't want it to be violent. hard to imagine that these people say anything truthfully when they just admitted also to lying the first time around. >> you know, i. >> forgive me if i really don't give a damn what enrique tarrio wants. >> or what any of. >> these domestic terrorists, insurrectionists, traitorous sobs want. donald trump committed an. awful act and one of one of the worst official acts i feel, as a president in this country's history, by pardoning these people. and what he has done is send a message that lawlessness, domestic terrorism, insurrection,

violence against police officers, disrespect for our rule of law, disrespect for our constitution, all of that is free and fair game now. and that's what he stands for. and everyone who voted for him voted for this. and the people who try to deny. >> that they. >> didn't, that they weren't okay with this and they voted for other reasons, like the price of eggs or something. no you didn't. you voted for this and you don't get to separate the two. would we be okay? would would those people be okay? if you know a member of isis or, you know, terry nichols or timothy mcveigh were pardoned by a president of the united states and then decided to come back out and make demands about what they think should happen now in this country? i don't think so. so why is there a double standard? why are we letting republican lawmakers get off the hook, who go out here and say that, oh, we should just move on or try to tell the american people we didn't see what we saw that day, or try to tell those police officers who were beaten and who were almost killed, and the officers who lost their lives and their families. we're we're supposed to tell them that

they're the enemy and that. >> these people, it's even worse. >> i mean. >> heroes, it's even worse. you got donald trump saying that he's open to meeting with january 6th rioters, and even seemed to suggest that extremists like the proud boys and the oath keepers could potentially have a place in national politics and be platformed at the white house. >> that's who he is. >> that's what he said he would do. and i blame the people around him who continue to make excuses for it. every elected republican should own this. this should be an albatross around their neck, like a scarlet letter on their foreheads of shame, because they can't sit there and ever say that they are constitutionalists, that they back the blue, that they support the rule of law, or anyone who carries a badge and takes an oath, an oath of office, to uphold our rules of law here because they don't care and they spit in the face of everyone who does that and puts their life on the line to do what for donald trump and for trumpism. well, i mean, our founding fathers are spinning in their. >> graves. >> not to mention the qanon shaman who went on x afterwards

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>> crippled because of polio. >> if we stop having the polio vaccine be given and we halt it, there's a likelihood that we will have an extreme number of people in our country have polio and suffer from the effects of this devastating disease. bobby kennedy had through the years been against vaccines. and made suggestions or. talks about different studies that have been debunked or. >> clearly debunked. >> and saying that the vaccines cause more damage than they do good. and of course, no scientist subscribes to that theory and he would be in charge of policies in this country. and right after we've had the great pandemic of covid and we've got bird flu, possibly we've got it on the horizon and whether it will affect humans or not, i don't know. there's a possibility. >> that it will. he's not. the right. >> person to be in charge of medicine and vaccines that protect children and protect adults, and i'm concerned about

it. i know, bobby, we campaigned together for his uncle ted in 1980. he's always been friendly. we've been around each other, but he's been wedded to these theories for years. some of his closest advisors are. attorneys who prosecuted cases against vaccines and think the vaccines are wrong and they've made. >> money out of. >> them, which i think bobby has, too. and we need to protect the public and not put them in jeopardy, as happened in american samoa, when bobby told the people there that the vaccines for mumps were. >> killing more people, mumps or. measles were killing. >> more people because of the vaccine. and a lot of people died because of that. >> there's been some confusion at the federal health agencies this week, after the trump administration put an abrupt freeze on external communications and meetings and research grants. the washington report the washington post reports that one cancer researcher said everything is basically in chaos. what concerns you about these kinds of changes that are happening,

and to what extent do you think rfk jr would double down on those kinds of shifts? should he be confirmed that we have less transparency into the health agencies and the scientific institutes in this country? >> well, it. concerns me greatly. >> because i've. >> always had a great respect. for my father was. a doctor. i guess i was supposed to be a doctor and. >> didn't do it. >> but doctors know best. >> and scientists. >> know best, and they and the nih is a. >> temple for our country, for. >> the vaccines and the drugs that they've approved, that have saved people's lives or improved people's lives, and to put them in some type of a limiting role where they can't discuss what they're doing or can't continue what they're doing is criminal, and it will cause injuries to people. >> it will cause disease to. >> spread and people will suffer, bobby has shown. maya angelou said, when somebody shows you who they. >> are, believe them. >> and bobby shown his opposition to vaccines, he's

wedded to that. that's been a part of his life, just as polio has been a. >> part of mine. and he will. >> continue to push to limit vaccines no matter what he says. and he will limit the polio vaccine as well as all other vaccines. and this is a danger to the american public and to. the world. >> what can democrats really do here? i mean, i know that when we're looking at what just happened with pete hegseth, arguably more controversial than rfk jr, he managed to get through the confirmation process. and that might be a psychological blow to democrats who may oppose rfk jr or tulsi gabbard or kash patel. >> well, it was definitely bad because he had. >> three. >> republicans, and it seems that there are only. >> three that will vote. >> contrary to president trump's recommendations. and they were. >> all kind of came to the bar. >> rather gingerly. and at the last minute, as senator collins and senator mcconnell, although. senator murkowski was out front, you. >> don't know what. >> will happen if people need to think about this very closely. there's a. >> doctor, well. >> known doctor, a layman, who.

published a piece recently about the dangers and the possibility of a bird flu pandemic and the need for the cdc and the nih to be involved, for doctors and scientists to be involved and to have all the resources they can to fight that disease if it becomes prevalent in humans and replicates. and it very well could, and we need to be in the world health organization. the fact that we've gotten out of that organization is a great benefit. >> to people all over the world. >> it's just a crime. what we're doing. and so it's trump. >> who's doing it. >> yeah, indeed. it was a shocking decision to pull out of the world health organization, especially, as you mentioned, with bird flu on the horizon. and who knows what else could be coming down the pipeline. congressman steve cohen, always a pleasure, sir. thank you so much. >> nice to be back. >> thank you. next up, it is almost holocaust remembrance day. but some folks want to change how we remember it.

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day. since 2005, the un and its member states have held commemoration ceremonies to mark the anniversary of the liberation of auschwitz-birkenau and to honor the 6 million jewish victims of the holocaust and millions of other victims of nazism. one person who won't be doing any commemorating, it seems, is elon musk. yesterday, donald trump's top donor, who will reportedly be getting an office in the white house complex, addressed germany's far right afd party, a party known for its anti-semitic, anti-muslim, anti-immigrant and anti-democratic beliefs. take a look at what musk had to say about german history. >> i think it's. >> like. >> frankly. >> too much of. >> a focus on. >> on past guilt, and we need to. >> move beyond that. >> people, you know. children should not. be guilty of.

>> the sins of their. parents or even. >> let alone their parents, their great. >> grandparents. >> maybe even. >> musk also warned the crowd about the dangers of multiculturalism, and he followed it up. a speaker who championed the idea of remigration, a term popularized by a neo-nazi which calls for forcibly removing immigrants who refuse to integrate with german culture regardless of their citizenship status. the timing and context of musk's appearance there is quite important. it's not just that the german far right that wants to prevent people from learning about their history. just consider trump's executive orders this week a huge part of the right's war on di and critical race theory are not just attempts to prevent women and people of color from employment and education opportunities in favor of white men. it is also meant to prevent americans from learning about their history. just like elon musk said in germany, one of the executive orders has forced the

air force to stop using training videos about the tuskegee airmen, america's first black military pilots who served in a segregated world war two unit. they also need to stop teaching about the women airforce service pilots, or wasps. the female world war two pilots who were vital in ferrying warplanes for the military. musk's appearance also came a few days after his so-called roman salute controversy, where musk may or may not have done a nazi. sieg heil! i have no idea what he was doing or what his intentions are. he defended himself on x, saying his opponents needed better dirty tricks and that everyone is a hitler attack is so tired. look, we know he is a troll, but we also know he has been campaigning for the closest thing germany currently has and had to the nazi party in this century. and we also know that right wing extremists celebrated musk's gesture again, whatever that was. perhaps most

importantly, we know that musk has regularly trafficked in anti-semitic posts online, including the claim that jewish people are pushing hatred against whites, which was the dangerous theory believed by the man who committed the pittsburgh tree of life synagogue massacre back in 2018. so when you look at musk's track record, many people were taken back, specifically when the anti-defamation league actually defended musk after the salute controversy, saying, hey, it wasn't a nazi salute and that we should all give him a bit of grace. that was followed up by benjamin netanyahu taking the ax, saying that elon musk is being falsely smeared and that elon is a great friend of israel, as if that somehow absolves him from charges of bigotry. after netanyahu's post, yehuda shaul, the co-founder of the israeli veterans organization break the silence, posted and said it this like this. this is what the

instrumentalisation of the fight against anti-semitism to shield israel from criticism of its annexation policy looks like as long as you support the extremist government in israel, we'll defend you against accusations of anti-semitism. even if you do the nazi salute. now, i should note that after the adl was criticized for defending musk, musk then followed up by posting nazi jokes on his x account, which then prompted the adl to finally criticize musk. look, this is a dangerous time in america for all minority groups who feel threatened by this newly empowered maga movement. with its new supporters and corporate america, big tech and big media, and january 6th riders being pardoned, proud boys and oath keepers solidarity with all groups under threat is more important than ever. as well as remembering our own history. when we come back, i'm going to be joined by jason stanley,

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me now is perhaps the foremost expert on this subject matter. jason stanley, professor of philosophy at yale university. he's the author of a racist history how fascists rewrite the past to control the future. and also, i just learned, fluent in german and a german citizen as well. so you have a lot of experience. your dad was a holocaust survivor. you understand the code switch with the words that elon musk is using better than most. explain to us. you know, people may look at like multiculturalism. we want people to assimilate when they come into our countries, and we want them to be kind of law abiding citizens who learn our language and learn our cultures and learn our traditions. that's not what he means when he's saying multiculturalism in the context of germany. >> no. >> when he. says julius caesar. admired the german tribes. >> well, those he's. >> talking about aryans, he's talking about so-called ethnic germans. >> not he's. >> not. >> talking about my german family. he's not. talking about. >> my father, who. was seven. >> when he left berlin for new

york city in august 1939. he's not talking about my opera singer. german jewish relatives. they were dangerous. they were not really german. they weren't the ones julius caesar praised. he's going back to a conception of germanness. that is rooted in. >> ethnic nationalism. >> and that in the 1930s was this. the idea was the jews were the dangerous multicultural element introduced. >> to germany. so what do you make of him aligning himself with the afd party? what does that portend? i mean, this is one of the wealthiest people in the world. he can spend his money however he wants. he can platform whatever he wants. as we've seen on his social media site, he can spend billions of dollars to prop up candidates and drive ideology. how dangerous is his position aligning with this german afd party? it's extraordinarily dangerous. >> i mean. >> when i'm. >> in germany and they say,

well, how can america have voted for a far right president? president? i say, well, isn't it more embarrassing that you guys are voting for afd? i mean, germany has lectured. the world has been the representative of facing its past. and that's why germany. >> is. >> so important for the global far right. because if germany can give up on the project of facing its history squarely and give up on the project of multiracial, multicultural democracy, then the project is grievously wounded. >> we talk about erasing a bit of our own history, and as we said in that, in that intro this week, we saw the consequences of the american military not being able to teach about the tuskegee airmen or wasps. and the consequence of that is that we then have a generation of americans who don't know what happened in this country. so, you know, you wrote the book about erasing history and how it affects the ability of us to see our future, connect the dots for us. how how does not

understanding your own history allow you to repeat it? well. >> for example, germany, because they face their own history, were opposed to military interventions anywhere. the germans were extremely dedicated to democracy for decades and decades because they knew their own history of ethnic nationalism that paved the way for fascism. so germany had a very strong ethic for decades, created by this historical education of learning, learning about its past commitment to democracy, commitment to multiculturalism. these are central in germany. it was sort of forbidden to go on about the greatness of the german past, because then you make the mistakes that were made in the german past. and if you don't face your history, you're going to make those mistakes again. and the people who say we shouldn't, we shouldn't face our history are often the ones who

kind of want us to make those mistakes again. >> i want to talk to you a little bit about the adl response and the israeli prime minister weighing in on this, saying, elon musk is a friend of israel. you were saying that, you know, there's conversations happening among jewish communities about what this means when you have somebody like elon musk, who is seen platforming and elevating anti-semitic voices, but then you get organizations like the adl saying, give him grace. that was not a nazi salute, turning a blind eye to some of his other transgressions. and then you have the prime minister of israel coming out and saying he's a good friend of israel. people may not understand that. you can can you be anti-semitic and pro-israel? of course. >> you can be anti-semitic and pro-israel. before 1936, there were i mean, the idea was among nazis that jews should live somewhere else and all be sent somewhere else. so after 1935 or 1936, they turn against that project. but if many

anti-semites as the buffalo, many of the great replacement killers manifestos have said they think jews are okay as long as they're in their own homeland, everybody should have their own homeland. so many anti-semites are fine with the idea of jews as long as they live over there. but i'm an american. i live here, and so i want to make sure that i can be jewish in my country of the united states, or when i go to germany. i don't have to be christian. so that's my. and the problem is, so my kids are black and jewish and they have this. they talk about this phrase giving someone the n word pass netanyahu. netanyahu is giving people this pass saying, you can be anti-semitic. don't worry, i've guaranteed. >> it so long as you are in favor of some of the things that israel is doing or supports. jason stanley, thank you so much. really appreciate it. always fascinating to talk to you. thank you for making time

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