of more. get started at worthy comm. >> good to be with you. >> i'm katie tur. >> welcome to the f around and find out. >> presidency. >> no. >> seriously. >> that is how donald trump. >> is billing it. posting this ai generated image of his of himself as a gangster in a. >> fedora with. >> f a. >> f o. >> on the sign next to him. f around and. >> find out. >> so what does that mean? for those of you who are not

terminally online, it essentially means president trump is telling the world and lawmakers here at home, try me. columbia got it over the weekend when the president announced a 25%. >> tariff and visa restrictions. >> on bogota. >> when leaders there refused a u.s. military plane full of deported immigrants, colombian president gustavo petro quickly backed down, notching a win for donald trump. so is that how this is going to go? trump makes a decree an. >> official or. >> a country scoffs. trump levies. >> a giant. >> tariff or travel ban and then they just back down. >> will that work. >> with china? what about mexico or canada? and if it doesn't. >> what happens then? >> how much actual. economic pain could come from. >> these policies? >> and is. >> president trump willing to. inflict it? joining us now, nbc news senior business correspondent christine romans, chief white.

>> house correspondent. >> for the new york times and msnbc political analyst peter baker, and the president of the council on foreign relations, michael froman. he served as the u.s. trade representative in the obama administration. christine, i'm going to start with you on this. >> it was. >> a quick back and forth between columbia and president trump over the weekend. and, you know, it worked in donald trump's favor. is this what we should expect for mexico and canada. >> going forward? >> the wall street journal's reporting that he's already talking about a 25% tariff on those two countries. >> yeah, he has. >> called himself tariff man. >> he is not. >> all bark. >> he is all bite. >> and he will. >> impose tariffs on these countries. >> and a lot. >> of people think it's going to happen, at least for canada and mexico come saturday, that this is going to happen quickly. he doesn't even have his trade team. >> in place yet. >> i mean, you know, confirmed the commerce secretary and his u.s. trade representative. and so he is adamant that this is the. >> tool he has. >> he is going to use it. he's been saying it. >> for a year.

>> i think there's no reason to think that he won't do it. you know, the discussion has been. >> will. >> it be is. >> this. >> only, you know, as a tool to get people to the negotiating table and that all the signs right now point to there's no negotiating table, there will be tariffs and then we'll see what happens after that. >> so if these tariffs were were levied, if. >> columbia, say, didn't back down and there was a 25 scaling up to 50% tariff on columbia, their big imports or exports for us. >> are coffee. >> and bananas. what would that look like at the. >> grocery store? it would be higher. >> coffee and higher banana. >> prices and higher rose prices. they also. >> export an awful lot of flowers. let me give you an example. washing machines in the first trump administration, president. >> trump. >> put he put import tariffs on on washing machines. the university of chicago and the fed found those tariffs raised prices on all washing machines by $92 each, and brought in only $82 million in tariff money, while increasing costs for the companies by a lot. so he's done this before. the question is, if he does it again, does that cause those companies like samsung and lg to move their factories to the united states?

that's what he wants. >> christine mentioned a negotiating table. you know, he's going to go to the extreme end of the bargain in order to get a better deal. and that's kind of been the modus operandi that we've experienced with donald trump over the years. certainly during the first administration. peter, though, christine was saying there's no negotiating table this time. it's this or else, you know, f f around and find out. i'm going to be very careful when i say that. so i don't say the whole phrase because it will get me fired. but do you sense a different donald trump this time? a different donald trump administration, a more a bigger willingness to actually do the extreme things that he's saying he'll do? >> well, i c i think you see a president who is more willing to use the instruments of. american power than his. modern day president's predecessors have been. and there's a lot of reasons for that. one is it has been effective. we have seen, even just in the last week, even before he became inaugurated, he used threats in order to achieve policy goals. his the lesson he

has taken from, you know, threatening all hell will break out in the middle east as it worked in terms of motivating the parties there to have a ceasefire in gaza. the lesson he takes from threatening sanctions or threatening tariffs on canada is that prime minister justin trudeau will rush to mar-a-lago and pledge to do whatever donald trump wants, in effect. and he's not saying that, but he is definitely deferring to trump's needs and desires in a way that other prime ministers might not have done with other presidents. so from his point of view, it's working. now, that doesn't mean there's not long term consequences. it's not much of a negotiation. it's not really very subtle. and you're using it against people in countries that are typically our friends, friends that we may need in other circumstances. at the same time, he's bashing the european union. the european union may be really important to us if we end up in a trade war with china. so it has costs. if you use this kind of technique in a more expansive way. but for the moment, trump is trying to tell the world, do what i say and you

know everything will be fine. >> yeah, elaborate on that. elaborate on the ways in which we might need are typically our friends here. why would. >> we. >> need columbia for another in another situation? you mentioned the eu needing them in a trade war. if that happens against china, what else should we be concerned about? >> well, all kinds of things. we use our friends for intelligence sharing. they help us suss out threats to us around the world. we use our friends often for, you know, military operations. if we feel that we need to in certain sectors of the world, we use them for diplomacy when we need to put pressure on mutual adversaries to do to do important things. columbia has been one of our better friends, and it's partly because of the friendship we've had with columbia that we have minimized, you know, some of the drug toll that we saw, you know, in decades past because we collaborated with them and going after the cartels. so there are, you know, benefits to friendships, not just transactional relationships in which we threaten to use, you know, economic force if they don't give us what we want.

>> but at. >> the same time, donald trump is saying that the people that that he's sending back are criminals. there are people that don't need to be in this country, shouldn't be in this country. >> so is. >> there is there a. >> cost if we are forcing. >> countries to take back people who came here without the proper documentation, then committed crimes here? >> peter? >> well, in the case of columbia, it was a dispute over what kind of airplanes we were using to send them back. it wasn't even over sending back the migrants. they've taken back hundreds of planes of migrants long before trump came in office. but what they objected to was using the us military planes to do so. and rather than simply, you know, having a quick conversation and figuring out a way around it, trump quickly went up the escalatory ladder and made it out to be an all out kind of confrontation. now, that may be what he wants, and may be the signal he's trying to send to other countries that he's willing to escalate where previous presidents might not have, or even small disputes. and therefore, i think it creates an atmosphere in which other countries, he hopes, will

preemptively defer and preemptively, you know, cater to what they believe to be his wishes, even without him having to ask. >> and there is intention behind sending a military flight rather than a commercial flight. what message that sends. mike, i want to get to you with the big question, which is, does this sort of thing work with china? >> well. >> first of all, i think it just shows how attractive the us market is as an incentive for other countries to work with us, and. how the threat of closing our market to their exports has a great deal. >> of leverage. >> as peter says, it works. it got people's attention. in this case, it was relatively easy because it was a very specific issue taking these military planes, and so it could be resolved quite quickly. i think the problem. >> or the question around china and maybe some of the. >> other. >> countries is it's a much more complex relationship. >> and so what is. >> it we're asking. >> these other countries to do? >> how will. >> we know that they've done them? how long will it take? and there, if you actually. >> go and impose the tariffs, it

has a whole series of costs, the direct costs of imposing the tariffs, the cost of retaliation, the cost of other. >> countries imitating. our behavior, and then very importantly. >> longer term, it really opens the door. >> to china. >> because for. years we've been critical. >> of china. >> for using. >> its economic power as a coercive tool. >> we see them do this. we've seen them do this against. >> japan, against. >> korea. >> against australia. and frankly. >> china doing. >> that helped. those countries develop closer relationships with us. >> the same thing can happen. >> in reverse. >> if the. >> us is. >> now seen as engaging in the. >> same type of economic. >> coercion that china has. >> we could. >> be opening the door for. >> more chinese influence. >> where those in. columbia or elsewhere would argue, what's the difference between the. >> us and china? they're both using their economic power against us. >> are our markets more attractive, though, than china? is there a situation where donald trump does have better leverage in in making. >> these. >> forcing columbia or other countries to do what he wants

them to do? in this case, it's taking back people who are here without papers, setting back, you know, immigrants. in other cases, it could be wanting a better trade deal, or it could be wanting a country to pay more into nato. there's other situations. are our markets so attractive that donald trump does actually find himself in the catbird position? >> well. >> i think. we do. >> have a fair amount. >> of leverage. >> particularly over some. countries more than others. >> mexico. >> canada, very much dependent. >> on the on the us economy. >> but most of the world is highly dependent on china. china is their number. one trading partner. >> and so we just have to keep that. to keep that in mind. >> you know, i think the question will be take mexico for example. tariffs are expected to go into place. as early as february. >> 1st. >> 25% tariffs. he's talked about dealing with. migration issues and fentanyl. >> that's not. >> something that. >> can. >> be decided or resolved over a weekend like. >> the columbia. military plane. >> issue was resolved. and so will the tariffs go into place. >> how long.

>> will. >> they last? >> how will we know what the negotiation looks like. >> and when it's reached? successful implementation? >> and what's. >> the. >> damage done in. >> the meantime? >> it's weighing those trade. >> offs that i think is very. >> much at issue. >> and oftentimes we seem to take economic. policy steps like threatening or. >> imposing tariffs. >> without sufficient concern. >> about what the short. >> medium and long. >> term costs of trade. >> offs are going to be. >> i'm going to put up a graph, a graph back on our screen. this is the top ten us trading partners. you'll see at the very top of the graph it's mexico. mexico is our number one trading partner. if you take mexico and canada it's 42% of all our us imports. we don't have it. but take my word for it. that's what it is. does mexico you mentioned that mexico is beholden to us and we have some leverage over mexico. does mexico have any leverage over us? i mean, we import so many cars from mexico, wouldn't that wouldn't that dramatically affect our markets here, dramatically affect the ability to buy a new car, and then also dramatically affect the ability to get a used car?

there's a cascading effect. >> well, in fact. >> the auto industry is a perfect example because it is a fully integrated. >> manufacturing environment between the us, mexico and canada. so a. single car that gets sold in the united states. >> could well cross the us mexico border in parts. >> or components. several times. >> and if those start. getting tariffs put. >> on them, each time. >> part of a car goes across the border for processing, you can see the cost of a car going up significantly at. >> a time. >> when people are already worried that we. >> are running hot in our economy. >> that inflation. >> has not come down. >> that the price. >> of eggs, among other things, is so high. >> you know, these are all steps that raise the potential for inflation, not reduce. >> it, and. >> will make the president's other priorities in terms of delivering. >> on the economic front more difficult to achieve. >> i mean, yeah, especially if you. >> take eggs or you take other items from the grocery store or agricultural items, say you're you're you're going and you're into the united states and

you're taking migrant farm workers and you're sending them home, thereby making it more difficult to get fruits and vegetables and whatnot on american grocery shelves. then you're also leveraging tariffs on countries that are or threatening tariffs on countries that are supposed to be taking back these people. and you're then affecting the grocery store even more by, you know, importing, making it harder or more expensive to import bananas or other strawberries, whatever. that seems like it's kind of a perfect storm of bad news for anybody who's trying to put food into their refrigerator. >> look. >> it's hard to find anybody outside of the administration, the current administration. who thinks that all of these policies taken together. >> aren't inflationary. >> j.d. vance, this weekend on a sunday show said that no, their policies are not inflationary missionary. but all of the economists agree that all of these things will add to prices. and just a couple of days ago, usda said egg prices could rise another 20%. this year. i don't see any of these policies doing anything for egg prices, which has to do with the bird flu. and finally, about the car. the car

example. michael is so right. best example though, the rules that we have right now were negotiated by donald j. trump in his first administration, and now he doesn't like those rules anymore. what message does that send anybody who's trying to make a deal about tariffs or trade. >> you talk to his economic advisers. i know, i know that you've got some great source reporting there. do you have an idea of how willing donald trump is to inflict economic pain on the us consumer? does he believe he can deflect it and just blame somebody else? >> he does not believe his policies will be inflationary. he believes he's going to remake the american economy. it'll be better for working people. >> and possible. >> is that possible? he thinks it's possible. economists say these things are inflationary. i mean, but look, if you start bringing other you start bringing these companies back to the us. that will bring jobs back to the us. but again, is that going to be inflationary because things globalization made everything a lot cheaper. if we're going to start bringing things back here, that might mean more jobs. it also might mean higher prices. he doesn't have a long runway to do all

this, by the way. and there's and there's always this potential for a lot of disruption in the meantime. >> all right. >> big conversation. >> short amount of time to get it done christine peter and mike, thank you guys very much. and still ahead, ice had its biggest day of arrests yet with the trump administration has planned to try and supercharge those numbers. donald trump's not happy with them. he wants more arrests and he wants them now. plus an overnight purge. what? the firing of more than a dozen federal inspectors general could do to put the trump administration in legal limbo. also their oversight. they had jobs to do. what it means just watching out for the federal government and making sure it's not corrupt. also, what the president proposed to do in gaza. lots of donald trump news gaza. lots of donald trump news today. we're back in 90s. (vo) oof, stuck paying for that old phone? don't be. ♪

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1500 arrests per day. that's how many he wants to see. border czar tom homan has denied issuing specific quotas and has said that while immigrants with criminal backgrounds are the primary targets, people without criminal convictions are also likely to be detained. >> any collateral arrests today? well, i'm sure there's going to be. i think there's been at least a few. and again, that's in a sanctuary city. if we can't get the bad guy in the jail, we're going to go to the community and find them, which we're doing today. and when we find them, if they're with others, they're here illegally. they're going to. i don't have to follow my instructions to them. arrest as many as you can that are public safety threats. if there was somebody else illegally here, they're coming to. >> joining us now, nbc news homeland security correspondent julia ainsley and nbc news correspondent shaq brewster, who's in chicago for us. so, shaq, what does chicago seen over the past few days? >> well. >> you saw it yesterday when you had top trump administration

officials here on the ground that's continuing today. you're seeing these increased enforcement actions from ice that you mentioned are creating some tension here in the city. you know, ice is emphasizing that these are targeted operations that they're going through and not doing indiscriminate sweeps of communities or workplaces, but they're working through essentially a list of people, known criminals, people convicted in some, in some cases, simply charged of crimes and going through and picking them up. but what is causing so much concern is what you heard in that answer there from tom homan, the fact that there there could be collateral arrests. and that's why you're having the tension that you're feeling here in chicago. i'll tell you, if you look at social media, you see pictures and videos of officers going around, people saying, oh, ice is in my community. this is what you should be doing. and that's what you're also hearing from city leaders, the mayor of chicago, saying in a statement that it's important that communities know their rights. there have been training seminars, both in person and online, telling

people, telling communities how they can legally and should legally interact with ice agents. and you know, when you talk about the scope that we're seeing here in chicago, it's not just ice, but it's several other agencies that you listed before a coalition of federal government agencies involved here. but here in chicago, you have about ten different groups, ten different teams fanned out across the city and the suburbs, each with about ten individuals or ten agents each. and those are the ones that are going through and picking up those who are on the target list. and again, some who are not. and the collateral arrests that you keep hearing about. katie. >> we just got a little bit of new video from gabe gutierrez, who's been on a ride along, and they're doing the processing right now of some of the folks that they've taken into custody, the people that they are going to attempt to deport. we've obviously blurred faces for reasons, obvious reasons. julia, this stepped up enforcement. give us the context on it. and

if donald trump wants 1200 to 1500 arrests per day, does that mean they're going to only be targeting, you know, people with criminal convictions or who have been charged with crimes, or are they inevitably going to have to widen that aperture? >> yeah, katie. >> and you can. >> see in that video from gabe, the reason they blurred faces. >> is because. ice and other. >> law enforcement agencies involved. >> are worried about. >> retaliation because they. are going after. >> people who. >> they consider to be public safety threats. >> these are. people who committed crimes. >> in addition. >> to. >> coming into. >> the border. >> and coming. >> across the border. >> potentially illegally, and living here. without authorization. >> these are people who may have been convicted. >> of crimes in their. >> home country. >> and then when they cross the border. >> it later. >> came to the attention. >> of the u.s. that they committed these crimes. >> or they could have committed crimes here. some could be. >> small, it could. >> be. >> a dui. >> others could be more serious. >> we understand from tom homan yesterday. that included some who. >> may have. >> been convicted of murder. these are the high. >> level arrests they're doing,

but collateral arrests to. one of the things that tom. >> homan told. >> gabe yesterday is that because chicago is. >> a sanctuary. >> city, and. >> ice then. >> cannot go to jails to. >> get these. >> people out, as they would do in other cities. >> that aren't sanctuary. >> they go. >> to work. >> places, they're going. >> to. >> apartment buildings, and that's where they encounter. people who are undocumented and perhaps not criminals, and they take them into custody, too. >> that's what. >> they call. >> a. >> collateral arrest. >> we're already able. >> to see some of that breakdown last. >> week. >> where it. >> looked like as much. as a. >> third of. >> the arrests they were making were. >> those. collateral arrests? we don't yet have a breakdown of what that nearly. a thousand of. >> those, nearly. a thousand arrests yesterday were how many were. >> criminal and how many were not. >> but i. >> also have to say, katie, and you can see in these videos, it takes. >> a lot of people to arrest. >> one migrant. >> i've been. >> on these. >> ride alongs before. >> sometimes there are ten. >> officers to. >> arrest one person. >> this is because they're considered dangerous. >> because they're living in. >> the. >> communities and it takes that. >> much manpower. so right. >> now it's a surge. we can.

>> expect to see this. >> nationwide over the. >> next week. it's not. >> just ice. it's a number of other federal. >> law enforcement agencies. the question. >> is, katie. >> how long do they keep this up? and as i understand it, it's as long as the trump. administration feels it's necessary. >> to. >> send a message. but they could still run out, could soon run out of money, and then they'll have to be asking congress for more. katie. >> yeah. senator graham already urging congress to give the white house more funding for these these mass deportations. obviously, though, the margins in both the house and the senate are quite small, so they'd have to make sure that they're buttoned up if they want to get those things passed. julia ainsley, shaq brewster, thank you very much. and coming up, what the president is proposing in gaza that some of our middle east allies have already rejected. why this is such a sensitive topic and why donald trump may have crossed the line here. first, though, more than a dozen inspectors general were fired over the weekend. what led fired over the weekend. what led to the purge and is it legal? home. it's where we do the things we love with the people we love.

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odor before it starts. that's my secret to better odor control everywhere. >> president trump fired 18 inspectors general over the weekend, and now there are questions about whether that was legal. there is legislation on the books that requires congress to get a 30 day notice on any intent to dismiss a senate confirmed ig. it is a law that now senator adam schiff says was drafted and passed with intention. >> as someone. >> who introduced the. >> protecting our democracy. >> act, which was. >> designed in part to protect

inspector. >> generals. to write. >> off this clear violation of law. >> by saying. >> well, it technically he broke the law. yeah, he broke the law. >> and not just any law, but a law meant to. to crowd. >> out waste. >> fraud and abuse. >> joining us now, nbc news white house correspondent vaughn hillyard, who's in miami for us, also also with with me is msnbc legal correspondent lisa ruben vaughn. why are these igs. >> for donald trump? this is number 18, ags, at least at this point in time that he is fired. and the argument that is being generally made is that this is part of his commitment to clear house. but we haven't had any specifics from either the president himself or his team as to the specifics of why some of these individuals were let go. and i think it's worth noting that republicans, including chuck grassley, have long been on the front lines of defending igs and protecting these individuals who are put inside

of these departments and agencies for the sole purpose of cutting government fraud, waste and abuse. and that is the part if you go back to the carter administration in which the inspectors general act was first introduced, and it was actually two years ago amended by the likes of chuck grassley and bipartisan members up on capitol hill to require this 30 day notice and require that a substantive reason be provided. and at this point in time, the some inspectors general who have been informed of this have not been given the substantive reason, nor have we heard from capitol hill them being given a reason. and the white house has so far not provided substantive reasoning for the firings of these 18 igs. >> let me play a little bit from mark greenblatt, the former now former inspector general of the interior. >> if this. >> is an indication. >> from president trump. >> that he. >> wants to put. in folks who won't. >> be conducting. >> robust oversight, that's a fundamental. >> problem for us. we need. >> those folks.

>> to be independent of mind and spirit. >> and that's the big concern. >> is an incoming. >> ig going. >> to be. >> willing to. >> to make that. >> negative finding about a trump appointee? that's the key. >> issue here. and that's the. fundamental question that the american taxpayers should be. >> asking these inspector generals. lisa, are there to make sure everybody is doing their job right. there's no corruption. they're not breaking any rules. everything's above board. they're supposed to be the independent arbiters, the guys on the sideline, the refs. what about what mark greenblatt just said there? that he's worried that if some donald trump appoints a new ig here, that they're not going to feel like they have true independence. >> that's very likely true. >> the other problem is it's not clear that donald trump can appoint a new ig. there are legal barriers there to under the federal vacancies reform act. but katie, i want to go back to why these 18 and also whether it was lawful to do so because as much as their dismissal doesn't comport with

the statute that, as you were reviewing, was amended in 2022 to give 30 days notice, there are some who will say, and i believe the trump administration itself will be among them, that that statute is unconstitutional. why? because it interferes with the president's ability to remove people from his executive branch. and there is some authority for that. my guess is that this is one of those instances where the new trump administration is executing on its same old playbook of act first, litigate later. they have a sense that this is unconstitutional, and they're probably willing to fight for that principle. the other problem is who in the congress is going to fight to vindicate those interests? we've seen senator grassley, for example, at least be interested enough to say to the trump administration, explain to me whether you gave the notice, what is the basis for removing these people, because you don't just have to give the 30 days notice. you have to explain a principled reason for removing them. but aside from that, is there anybody in the congress who has the willingness to litigate this or the congress as a whole? i

doubt that very much. >> are they willing to exercise their own independent authority? there's three branches of government, not just one. donald trump is trying to just be the executive who makes decisions alone on things like this on tiktok. i think you mentioned that as well. on trying to overturn birthright citizenship, do it and then litigate later, execute first, litigate later, as you said. vaughn, speaking of the other branch of government, one of the other branches of government, you're at the house gop policy retreat today. what is the other branch of government? at least part of the other branch congress in the house. what are they doing down there? what are they trying to trying to accomplish? >> right. >> it's actually going to be interesting to hear whether the igs, whether that is even a part of the conversation between house republicans and president trump. and again, when you look at the agency part, there's sometimes uncomfortable truths about allies of the party in power that are placed into these prominent positions across the departments and agencies. but i

think this is where you're looking at the conversations between the white house and congress. they're going to be so key. and here this afternoon, in real time, speaker johnson and other house leaders are currently holding a press conference in which they are talking about the priorities that they are setting here with the other members here at trump's property. the president himself is already here in town. he was playing a golf game earlier today, but he is going to be addressing the house gop conference in just about two hours time here. of course, there's a lot coming down the line that includes a pending government shutdown. if they're not able to come up with a budget agreement come mid-march, soon after that, later this spring, we expect the debt ceiling limit to be hit again. there's questions about whether whether that will be raised and if you go back to back in december, katie, it was president trump, then president elect trump, who was meeting with john thune and speaker johnson at a football game. and then just 48 hours later, it was him and elon musk that blew up the bipartisan budget, short

term budget agreement that they had come to terms with. so we know that republicans want to avoid that sort of mess that took place in december. and they're going to also try to come up with that reconciliation package to extend tax cuts, put money towards more border enforcement. so there's a lot that they need to do to get on the same page, especially with those narrow margins, not only in the senate but especially in the house, under speaker, under speaker johnson. >> all right. vaughn hillyard, lisa rubin, thank you very much. in a moment, we're going to come back with a little bit of new reporting on january 6th and the pardons. we're also going to talk to hannah rosen, who found herself in the very strange position of living just down the street to a home base, if you will, for everybody who got out of prison was pardoned for their role in january 6th, including that guy on the right. also, tens of thousands of palestinians began arriving back in northern gaza this morning. what they're facing now and what could come of gaza ah, these bills are crazy. she

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>> i'd like egypt. >> to take people, and i'd. >> like jordan to take. >> people and get people. you're talking about probably a million. >> and a half. >> people, and we just clean out that whole thing. >> clean out that whole thing. joining us now, nbc news international correspondent daniele hamamdjian. daniele, why might this not be a welcome suggestion from president trump? >> well, the. palestinians have. >> a painful. >> history of. >> forced displacement. and you will ask. >> any of them. >> and they'll likely. >> say something along the lines. of that rather die on. >> palestinian soil. >> than be. >> forced to leave it. >> they'd rather. die in. gaza than. >> be forced to leave it. the idea was flatly rejected by egypt and jordan, by the arab league. that said, it was. tantamount to ethnic cleansing. >> the only. >> support. >> really public support. >> so far is by the far right. ministers here. in israel. >> i mean, when you. >> look at those pictures. >> the ability to return home is

not something. >> you usually. >> associate with palestinians. >> and we saw. >> them over the weekend. >> in the. tens of. >> thousands waiting to return. >> they had sold. >> the tents that they were sleeping in in the south. >> and. >> they were. >> waiting with their bags. with whatever had survived. >> 16 months. and this morning at 7 a.m, they started their march back home, going home to what? in many cases, they'll be reuniting with families, parents and children who hadn't seen each other in 16 months. in many. >> cases, they'll be discovering what. >> if anything. >> is still. >> standing after the. relentless bombardment. >> and airstrikes over the course of this war. and also. >> in some. >> cases, the. >> first thing they'll be doing is. >> try to dig out. >> people from the. >> rubble. >> people who vanished. people who they weren't able to find before they had to evacuate. and they'll be trying to give them a proper burial. but again, as i say. >> these palestinians. >> will tell you that they have such a history. >> of forced displacement. so

for. >> them, the ability to. today return home is, for many. >> their definition of. >> victory after this conflict. >> danielle, it's so hard to get a full sense of the damage in gaza. the images that i've seen and that we've been showing are just absolutely awful. terrible. there's nothing left. are there areas in northern gaza that were not relentlessly bombed, that weren't reduced to rubble? there are. >> a. >> few buildings i hesitate to give you, sort of a number, but 70% of all infrastructure. in the gaza strip has been either destroyed or damaged. >> 2000 families. >> completely wiped off the registry. >> i mean, i could give you numbers. i could go on and on and on. but, you know, the. >> ceasefire. >> it is. >> for. now considered to be very. >> much temporary. >> there is no certainty. >> that we're going to get to a stage two. the only thing we

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of columbia has announced a special review of january 6th cases, and has asked doj officials to hand over all files, documents, notes, emails and other information about decisions to bring obstruction charges against hundreds of alleged rioters. joining us now, nbc news justice reporter ryan riley. what's the significance of this? >> sure. >> so it's. >> again, sort. >> of the. >> investigate the investigators thing. >> and i think, you know, big picture here. >> what you have to remember is who the current head, the acting attorney. >> general for, or. >> rather, the acting u.s. attorney for the district of. columbia is his. >> name's ed. >> martin, and. he was a january. >> 6th advocate. >> he actually. >> spoke at. >> a fundraiser. >> or fundraiser for. >> january 6th defendants. he was on the board of the patriot. >> freedom project. >> he appeared with donald trump at one of. these events. >> and he's. >> someone who spread conspiracy theories. about january. >> 6th. >> and was, you know, against

these prosecutions sort of from the beginning. so now he's in charge of the entire office and is overseeing all of the prosecutors who are bringing these. cases that he has, you know, been sort of fighting against for, i suppose, for. >> the past. >> several years. >> so that's sort of the context that comes into this. >> and now. >> he's asking. >> some people. >> within the office to look into this for everyone to turn over their notes. and there the idea here is that they're going to be looking into this use of the obstruction charge, which is the one that was examined by the supreme court, which disagreed with the justice department's use of it in some of these particular cases. but, you know, i think the big picture here is what you have to keep in mind is just who this person is, who is ordering this in the first place, and what this sort of means going forward. when you have all of these prosecutors who just last week had to sign off on dismissal notices for cases that they knew full well, they could prove beyond a reasonable doubt in court, and in many cases, that they did prove beyond a reasonable doubt. they did prove beyond a

reasonable doubt in court involving cases against defendants who brutalize police officers last week or, you know, so that's sort of the context that those dismissals from last week are coming in, as this note was sent out to the u.s. attorney's office in dc today. katy. >> investigate the investigators. ryan riley, thank you very much. joining us now, host of radio atlantic and the we live here now podcast that explored the justice for january 6th movement, hannah rosen. her most recent episode is titled even some january 6th ers don't agree with trump's blanket pardon. hannah, it is so interesting the position that you found yourself in living down the street from this. you know, this safe house, this place where sympathizers the wives of january 6th prisoners, convicts, violent convicts were living and hoping that at some point they would see their loved ones again. toward the end of the podcast, they seem to be giving up that hope, understanding that what their loved ones did was really very

serious, and that maybe they should start to move on. fast forward just a few months and now they're all free. what's that been like? i mean, the most. >> possibly the most. dramatic thing that donald trump did in his first day came home to us in our neighborhood in washington, dc. >> very quickly. >> which is that i was walking past the safe house. >> that you. >> described. >> and one of the. >> people i know there was standing outside and he said, oh, stewart's inside. and i said, stewart who? and he said, stewart, rhodes. now, stewart rhodes, people might remember as the guy with the eye. patch who was arrested. >> around. >> january 6th. he was. >> arrested on some and convicted of some. >> of the most. >> serious charge. >> which is seditious conspiracy. and. yeah. and there he was taking a nap down the block from my house. so it it really was a stark relief. you know, the day before he was in prison, he was released, and now

he's taking. >> a nap down a block. >> down from my house. >> these are people who who either have, you know, were charged with conspiracy, seditious conspiracy, the like the most serious charge that you can get in this country. or are there people who were charged with violent crimes really assaulting a police officer, spraying bear spray in their face, hitting them over the head with their own batons, trying to crush them in a door, some really ugly stuff, and they're walking free. and some of them are coming to the house down the street from you. i wonder, does the neighborhood feel threatened? i mean, these are guys that went after the system of government when donald trump didn't win. and dc is a pretty democratic place. did the neighborhood feel good about this? >> maybe betrayed. >> is the right word. >> i mean, these are all things that you describe. they happened in our city, not far from. >> the neighborhood. >> where we live. also in. >> a. >> different world. this could have happened in a. >> more orderly. >> fashion because there is. >> a. >> whole range of violations. so there are some that are not violent. there are some that are

medium. there are some that. >> are. >> pretty violent all. >> the. >> way up to seditious conspiracy. and being the founder of. the oath keepers, who, who stewart rhodes was. so i think the fact that everybody was let out just, just created a mass sense of chaos. i mean, outside the dc jail last week became a gathering place for a lot. >> of. >> released sixers from different parts of the country. and that was weird to see, because that's not all that far from the capitol either. so it's been a very stark reversal for. >> those of us who live here. >> i bet you also found that some of the folks that were gathered didn't really think it was a good idea. even the sympathizers didn't think it was a good idea to release everybody. what did they say to you? i think they to some. >> of the supporters of the. january 6th ers and their family, they and their heads do make distinctions between, say, their husband or their son and people who they think of as having committed seriously violent crimes. i don't know that those distinctions are always valid, but i think it's hard to think of, say, someone you love as in the same

category, someone as someone who was convicted of seditious conspiracy and is the founder of the oath keepers. you know, so even among j. sixers, they were not only surprised. >> they were. >> maybe not all that happy that everyone had received the same treatment as if they were all the same. yeah. >> i'll say that again. hannah rosen, thanks so much for coming on again. it's just a fascinating piece of reporting. and what a dizzying turn of events in just a matter of a few months. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> and today marks 80 years since the liberation of auschwitz. 80 years. and on this day, survivors of the holocaust, people who experience that they're still alive and they're sharing those horrible memories so that the rest of us, the world doesn't forget. listen. >> the doorbell rang, and all three of us froze. the front door opened. >> and two. >> men entered shouting gestapo

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