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>> dnc chair forum sounds amazing. so it's going to stream the whole thing live. >> the whole thing. the vice chair, then the chair. and we forget sometimes there's a whole other party. we're going to learn more about what they have to say, which is an important thing to watch too. >> excellent. looking forward. >> to it. thanks very much, my friend. much appreciated. >> and thanks. >> to you at home. >> for joining us here tonight. >> really happy to have you here. so this is jasper county, indiana. it's a mostly rural county in northwest indiana. >> closest big city is. >> chicago. >> but chicago is like 80. >> or 90 miles away. >> yesterday, around. >> 4:00 in the. >> afternoon in jasper county, indiana, a sheriff's deputy pulled over a car in a traffic stop. and we don't know what the traffic stop was for. and we don't know yet. exactly what. >> happened during. that traffic stop. but something happened during the traffic stop that made the sheriff's. >> deputy decide that the man he pulled over. >> is someone. who he should arrest. now.

>> the man who was pulled over by. >> the sheriff's deputy. >> according to police. >> he had. >> a gun with him at the. >> time. >> he was. pulled over. and again. >> according to police. when that. >> sheriff's deputy decided that he was going to arrest that man. >> there was then an. >> altercation of some kind. there was a fight of some kind. >> and the sheriff's deputy. >> ended up. >> shooting that. >> man and. >> killing him. now the sheriff's deputy. >> is on leave while. >> the incident. >> is under investigation. there's a lot that. we don't know. >> for example. >> the. >> police are saying the man who was shot was armed, that he had a gun with him when he was pulled over. we don't know. >> if that's relevant to the altercation. >> we don't know. >> if the sheriff's. >> deputy knew. >> there was a gun. >> we don't know if the guy pulled. >> the gun. >> on. the officer. we don't yet know the details. of what happened. >> but we do know. >> that the man who. >> was pulled over. >> is dead. now, police. >> say. >> he resisted arrest. the sheriff's deputy. deputy ended up shooting. >> him as he. >> was. >> resisting arrest. >> per the police's description of the event. we also know.

>> that. that man. >> who. >> got shot. >> in. >> that traffic. arrest yesterday. >> in indiana, just. last week, he was pardoned by donald trump for his crimes on january 6th. the man had apparently. traveled to washington for. >> the january. >> 6th event with his uncle. his uncle got two and a half years. >> in. >> prison for. >> assaulting law enforcement with. >> a. >> dangerous weapon. >> he was seen with an upside. down flag pole, appearing to hit an officer with it. his nephew. >> the man who was killed yesterday. >> when that sheriff's deputy tried. >> to arrest him in a traffic stop. >> the man's. nephew ended up serving six months for what. >> he did on january 6th. >> he got out of. >> jail in july. >> he was then. >> on supervised release. >> until last. >> week, when. his conviction and all. >> the terms of his. >> release were wiped. off the slate. >> by an unconditional. >> pardon from donald trump. so there's a lot.

>> to cover right now in. >> the news. it's honestly, it's. impossible to cover it all. >> at once. you kind of need a strategy, right? >> you have to notice. >> everything. >> but you can only, you know, there's only so. >> much bandwidth. today, for example, we got news. >> that. >> the big, showy. >> mass arrests that the. >> trump. >> administration is. showing off because they want to. >> say that immigrants are criminals. and so. >> they're rounding. up all. the immigrants who have committed these terrible crimes. we have news today that even the trump administration is having to admit. >> that about. half the people. >> they. arrested yesterday haven't. >> committed any crimes. >> at all. >> but they. >> arrested them anyway, right? they've made this big show. >> out. of saying. >> they'd be. >> prioritizing, focusing. >> on immigrants. >> who. >> have committed crimes. >> turns out that is not at all. >> what they. >> are doing. they are. just arresting immigrants. >> we also have news today that while the trump. >> administration is insisting. >> on using. >> military aircraft. >> to fly. >> immigrants out. >> of. >> the country, that appears to be purely for the drama of it,

purely for esthetics, purely for the. >> the photo. >> op value that they think they're getting out. >> of it, of. >> putting these people. >> again. >> about half. >> of whom. have not. >> committed any crime, putting. >> them onto. >> military planes. >> as if this is. >> some sort of. >> war operation. >> a military. aircraft moving one plane. >> full. >> of people that way costs. >> us, the. >> taxpayers, about $800,000. if they instead shipped. >> the same. >> number. >> of people. >> home the way the government. >> used. >> to do. >> it before last week, that would cost about $100,000 or so. >> per flight. >> they're wasting. >> about $700,000 per flight. >> $700,000 of taxpayer money. just to show off how cool. >> it is. >> that they're. >> using the. >> military, right? great use of tax dollars, right? >> efficiency, real. >> respect for the military. >> we've got the mass firings. >> of inspectors.

>> general at. more than. >> a. >> dozen government agencies. >> mass firings. >> done in a way that is just flat out illegal. but they are doing it anyway. >> banking on who's going to stop them. after trump totally caved to china on. >> day one. >> of his administration. >> and said he wouldn't. >> enforce the law. >> on tiktok. >> which is a big. >> favor to china. >> and after. >> trump funder. >> elon musk got republicans in congress. >> to change the. government funding bill. >> during the transition. >> specifically so he could build his huge ai plant in china. >> using chinese. >> workers instead. >> of having. >> to build it in the us. yeah, after all that. >> toughness on. >> china today, surprise, the nasdaq tanked. >> and the. >> leading u.s. >> computer chip. >> maker lost $600. >> billion in market. capitalization in a single day, all thanks to new news. >> about the chinese. >> ai industry. >> cleaning our clock. >> yeah. >> tell me. >> more about. >> tough on china. >> the trump administration. is

sending. transgender women. >> to. >> men's prisons. >> the trump administration. >> is firing. transgender service members. trump administration is. >> ending the basic. >> anti-discrimination rules in federal. agencies to. >> make it okay to. >> discriminate on the basis of race. >> or religion or whatever else. >> if today attempted to fire. >> the whole. >> team that worked on the january. >> 6th federal. >> case under special counsel jack. >> smith, even though many of those people can't be fired the way they're trying to do it because of civil service protections, they're trying. to do it anyway. >> today they've ordered at the justice. department an investigation. >> into the. charging decisions that were made. >> by prosecutors. >> handling all the january. >> 6th. >> cases, which. >> is presumably. >> their precursor to. >> trying to say it was some kind of crime in and of itself for. >> federal prosecutors. >> to prosecute people. >> for the crimes. >> they committed. >> in the capitol.

>> attack. the people who trump just freed today. >> they moved the most senior career people in the whole justice department out of their jobs. today. they ordered dozens of the most senior staff at usaid to go. >> on. >> leave immediately. >> today. >> they started. the process. >> apparently. >> of gutting. >> fdic. >> really? >> fdic is like the. >> golden retriever puppy of u.s. government programs. >> who's against fdic? i mean, i. >> might love the weather service, i do. you might. >> love the post office. >> many people do. >> somebody else might love the library. >> of congress. who doesn't? >> but honestly. who doesn't like fdic? >> what's fdic? >> very simply, fdic. >> is the thing. >> that ensures that. when you deposit. >> money in a us. >> bank. >> you won't lose that money. >> it's nice. right? >> bank deposits are insured by fdic. >> it's been true for like, what, a century? now the.

>> trump administration. >> is apparently coming. >> after that. >> too. because what. totally noncontroversial, effective thing in the us government. >> do they. >> not want to blow up? and immediately. so like this is just. >> this is one day at a time, right? >> this is just one day. there's a lot to cover. >> but let's just let's just focus for a second because. >> we can. >> because we're capable of it. >> let's just. >> focus for a second. on what's coming up this week. this week on wednesday. >> we're going. >> to. >> get, for. >> example, a confirmation. >> hearing for. >> howard lutnick. >> to be. commerce secretary. >> of the united states. >> howard lutnick is. >> not a well-known public figure. >> he's donald trump's friend, and he is trying to. >> become commerce secretary. >> while simultaneously. >> serving as. >> effectively the banker. >> for a specific. >> cryptocurrency, which recently. >> moved its headquarters. >> to el. salvador and which. >> has come under federal scrutiny for everything. from

allegedly financing terrorism. >> to. >> evading russian. >> sanctions, to. >> mass scale money. >> laundering. >> to international drug trafficking. >> he's the banker. >> for that particular. >> cryptocurrency. >> while trying to become. >> us commerce secretary. to that's wednesday, howard. >> lutnick, trump's friend for commerce. >> wednesday is also the first of two confirmation hearings. for robert. >> f kennedy jr. >> at a time. >> when we've got a weird new big. >> tuberculosis outbreak. >> in kansas. >> and a bird flu epidemic. >> that isn't. >> just birds, it's now. crossed from birds into raccoons and bears. and sea lions. and cats. >> it's crossed. >> into 900. >> herds of dairy cattle. and yet now, yes, it has started. >> to infect. >> humans. >> threatening a new pandemic at a time when. >> the. >> health and human services. >> secretary has a whole horror

movie worth of incoming to deal with, it. >> will be. >> interesting to see how senators contend with trump's. >> choice. >> for that job. trump's choice for that job. a man. >> who. >> questions the polio vaccine, who says wi-fi. >> causes leaky brain? >> that's his. >> phrase leaky brain. >> and who. >> says covid was specially. engineered to spare. >> the. >> jews? because, you know. >> that's wednesday. >> the following day, on thursday, we'll have confirmation hearings for tulsi gabbard, who is. widely viewed as the trump. nominee most. >> likely to be rejected. >> by. >> the united. >> states senate, or maybe not even make it to a vote. >> this is. >> a perception, according to the new. >> york. times today. >> that is reportedly. shared by trump himself. >> now we're going to be talking more about tulsi gabbard's nomination. >> on tomorrow's show. >> if she doesn't get pulled from consideration between now and. >> then, which is starting to seem possible. >> but but do note that some of the late breaking reporting.

>> on her just. >> from this past week included. >> the previously unreported fact. >> that on one of her trips to syria, one of. >> her meetings in syria. >> per the. >> washington post. >> was with. a syrian cleric who had threatened to activate a network of suicide bombers inside the united states and europe. that was one. of the. >> meetings she took. >> in syria, alongside. >> her other. meetings with the. >> dictator of syria. so again, more on tulsi gabbard's nomination to come. usually when it comes to a director of national intelligence nomination, and you hear the phrase activate his network of suicide bombers, it's because it's something that the dni is working on, not a person. the dni is having. >> a. >> friendly meeting with. also on that same day, though, that we're going to get tulsi gabbard's confirmation hearing on thursday, we're going to have

the confirmation hearing. >> for trump's choice. >> to be fbi director. now, this is a job that should. >> not be. >> open because fbi directors have ten year terms. fbi director chris wray has three years left in his ten year. >> term. >> but he inexplicably decided to resign. >> before his term. >> was up, which had purely and only the effect. >> of making. >> it easier. >> for. >> trump to install someone. >> new in the job. that was. >> nice. >> of him. but now, thanks to chris. >> wray. >> here we are. as january 6th pardon recipients start to get arrested for other crimes after. >> trump pardoned them. as 1st. >> january sixth pardon recipient was killed in an altercation with police at a traffic stop yesterday in indiana. as the justice department today starts to investigate its own prosecutors for having had the temerity. >> to. >> bring charges against january 6th rioters in the first place.

let's just, you know, just take this one day at a time. let's just take a second to reflect on who trump is trying this week to install as head of the fbi, as head of the 38,000 men and women of the nation's premier federal law enforcement agency. >> with all. >> of its immense power and. >> responsibility, we will go out and find the conspirators not just in government, but in the media. yes, we're going to come after the people in the media who lied about american citizens who helped joe biden rig presidential elections. we're going to come after you, whether it's criminal or civil, we'll figure that out. but yeah, we're putting you all on notice. and that. >> is kash patel, donald trump's pick to run the fbi, describing his plans for the second trump administration. that was in an interview in 2023. you might have heard about that quote. you might have heard that quote. you might have also heard him describing his plans. for the fbi's headquarters building in washington, dc.

>> i'd shut down the fbi hoover building on day one and reopening the next day as a museum of the deep state. >> well, hey, you know, at least he is pro museum, so those are two of the relatively. recent statements. >> by. >> kash patel that i think. >> have captured. >> people's imagination, that have received a lot of traffic since trump. shockingly named him as his choice to run. >> the fbi. >> but there's. been such a firehose of news and. >> stuff. >> to keep up with. with all of these radical. >> nominees. >> this this one week thus far of really radical action by the new president and his appointees. >> i mean. >> there's been so much that, you know, some. of the truly wildly inappropriate or uncontroversial or unqualified or at least controversial nominees like doug burgum at the interior department or kristi noem at homeland security, or even john ratcliffe at cia. i mean, they've just been sliding through without much attention, even though they deserve.

>> attention. >> but, you know, people only have so much bandwidth, right? it's understandable. it's regrettable, it's lamentable, but it's understandable. that said, for the fbi, specifically, given what trump is already doing with law enforcement and the justice department and the pardons of all the people from january 6th, this is just one that i feel like. >> we. >> can't afford to let melt into the sauce. >> right. >> let's just look at a few other things about kash patel ahead of his confirmation hearings this week. >> here's one thing. >> this is not actually the first time donald trump has tried to install kash patel in a high. >> ranking position. >> in the. fbi in the final months of trump's first term. you might remember that trump reportedly tried to make kash patel, fbi deputy director. that effort did not go well. trump's attorney general at the time, bill barr, says he told the white house kash patel would be made fbi, fbi deputy director,

quote, over my dead body, bill barr wrote in his memoir, quote, patel had virtually no experience that would qualify him to serve at the highest level of the world's preeminent law enforcement agency. the very idea of moving kash patel into a role like this showed a shocking detachment from reality, and that was when trump wanted him as the number two guy in the fbi, let alone the director. but okay, you know, that's just one senior trump administration official. bill barr doesn't have that much. credibility with any, any, any group of americans at this point in our political moment in america, set aside bill barr. what about other trump appointees who worked with kash patel? well, trump's deputy national security adviser, who worked closely with kash patel, he had this to say, quote, he's absolutely unqualified for fbi

director. he is untrustworthy. it is an absolute disgrace to american citizens to even consider an individual of this nature. that's trump's deputy national security adviser. and this he's untrustworthy. this is kind of a theme in descriptions of kash patel from people specifically who worked with him in the first trump term. several former trump officials say that kash patel had a tendency to embellish, to mislead. i think the word you're looking for here is lie about important stuff. john bolton, who you just saw on this evening with jen psaki here on msnbc, he was trump's national security adviser. so therefore effectively kash patel's boss when he was at the national security council. he described him tonight on msnbc with jen psaki as a, quote, climbing weed. he says kash patel falsely claimed to have been in charge of a whole directorate at the national security. >> council security. >> council when he was not.

bolton wrote in his book, quote, his puffery was characteristic of the resume inflation we had detected. when trump pressed him on us, we found he had also exaggerated his role in cases he worked on as a justice department lawyer. given the sensitivity of the national security council's responsibilities, problems of credibility or reliability would ordinarily disqualify any job applicant. we found he had exaggerated his role in cases he worked on as a justice department lawyer, bolton said. he said that in that book that was actually in an in an op ed specifically opposing kash patel for this fbi job, he exaggerated his role in cases he worked on as a justice department lawyer, as well as exaggerating his position in the national security council. what did he exaggerate about his time as his time in the justice department? what was that? >> i was the main justice lead prosecutor. >> for. >> benghazi for. >> no kidding.

>> actually, yes. >> kidding, kidding. hopefully he was. >> kidding because it's definitely not true. new york times quote mr. patel has repeatedly claimed that he was the lead prosecutor in the government's pursuit of the perpetrators of the 2012 attack on a u.s. diplomatic compound in benghazi, libya, which killed four americans. in reality, quote, he had no role on the benghazi trial team. the pretrial investigation was handled by a team led by the fbi and the u.s. attorney's office in washington. in his capacity as a junior prosecutor, mr. patel reported arrest warrants and the like up the chain for approval. quote, mr. patel took a junior position in the counterterrorism section in late january 2014, well after the benghazi investigation started. he left the department in april 2017, about six months before the first benghazi case went to trial. what was it that he said? he said i was the main justice lead prosecutor for benghazi.

asked by mother jones magazine about kash patel's claims to have led the benghazi prosecutions efforts in d.c, a former fbi special agent who was on that investigation for years responded, quote, quote, oh my god, comma, no. oh my god, no. despite that, because sure, why not? a trump transition spokesman recently insisted that kash patel was in fact assigned as the lead benghazi prosecutor. because that's their line and they're sticking to it. here's another one, a longtime trump adviser tells the atlantic magazine that, quote, he had been in patel's presence more than once when patel claimed he was the person who, quote, gave the order for u.s. forces to move in and kill the isis leader abu bakr al-baghdadi in 2019. this despite the fact that the baghdadi killing was, quote, an operation for which patel, by his own admission, wasn't even in the situation room. asked

about this, patel said through his spokesperson, trump made that brave and courageous call. yes, but what about the reports that you repeatedly claimed that you were the one who made the call, that you, quote, gave the order? what about that? on the issue of january 6th, specifically, as the justice department today is trying to fire all the prosecutors involved in the federal january 6th case against trump as they are opening an internal investigation into the prosecutors who brought cases against the rioters at the capitol. have you ever heard what kash patel says himself about january 6th, about what that was? well, first of all, i should tell you that kash patel is credited officially as the producer of the january 6th anthem, the rendition of the star-spangled banner, sung by a group of imprisoned january 6th defendants, overlaid with donald

trump reciting the pledge of allegiance. he's the producer of that hot track. this is who trump wants to be put in charge of the fbi. kash patel says it was the fbi that was behind january 6th in the first place. >> what you need to show is whether or not the fbi and government agents were using undercover operatives. and informants on the day of january 6th. once you prove that, then you defeat the insurrection narrative with the fbi's own documentation. forget what the videotape shows. i started smirking and rolling my eyes, and what i meant to convey with that is. come on, we know they were involved. well, no, no no, no. look, i totally agree, though. yeah, i'm not saying i know definitively. it looks like you have. >> a preponderance. >> of evidence suggesting there may have been federal law enforcement involved in making that thing happen. i'll get you beyond a reasonable doubt. >> federal law enforcement involved in making that thing

happen. no, no no, no. i'll get. you beyond a reasonable doubt. meaning we'll criminally prosecute them for it, presumably. >> right. >> that is kash patel on a podcast. a podcast, by the way, that, according to a recent justice department indictment, was secretly funded by russian state media as part of a kremlin influence operation. meet, the host of that podcast has said if those allegations are true, he was deceived about the funding. but there he is with kash patel. the host says, you know, hey, we know the fbi was involved in january 6th, kash patel says, i totally agree. the fbi helped make january 6th happen. i'll get you beyond a reasonable doubt. now he's trump's choice to lead the fbi. now, kash patel also had his own podcast, on which he repeatedly suggested the fbi was involved in planning january 6th and has been engaged in trying to cover it up ever since. his own podcast was called cash's corner. it was a

production of something called the epoch times epoch, the epoch times from from 2021 to 2023. kash patel appeared on other epoch times shows as well on its on its tv network and its documentaries, and the epoch times is sort of hard to boil down to its essence. suffice to say that when your uncle at thanksgiving started talking about a world government plot to cull the human population and to force the straggling survivors to eat bugs, it is likely he got that from the epoch times. but given that the epoch times until quite recently, had kash patel on their payroll, consider this about the financing of this outlet. this is from nbc news brandy zadrozny quote after years of struggling, the once fringe newspaper powered by falun gong, a religious group persecuted in china, had finally found a foothold in conservative media. the epoch times had spent a small fortune on pro-trump ads in the run up to the 2020

election. they were amassing a windfall in the wake of trump's trump's loss, increasing revenue by a staggering 685% over two years. why did their revenue go up more than 600% over two years? the company said it was making money through subscriptions and donations, but these are claims that federal prosecutors now say were false. in 2024, the us justice department alleged a giant multi-million dollar money laundering scheme was underway at the epoch times perpetrated by one of its executives and honestly calling calling it a money laundering scheme, vastly undersells what was allegedly going on at the epoch times. according to this indictment, the epoch times chief financial officer, quote, managed the outlets make money online team. the make money online team carried out the scheme to by crime proceeds and transfer them to bank accounts linked to the

epoch times. from 2020 to 2024. the team allegedly used a crypto platform to buy tens of millions of dollars in crime proceeds in exchange for cryptocurrency. the crime proceeds came from sources including fraudulently obtained unemployment insurance benefits. prosecutors alleged those funds were then loaded onto tens of thousands of prepaid debit cards. after purchasing the crime proceeds, participants allegedly used stolen, personally identifiable information to open various types of accounts and transfer the proceeds into bank accounts linked with the epoch times and related entities. quote. to hide the illegal nature of the proceeds, the cfo and his coconspirators allegedly lied to banks and other entities about their sources, telling them basically that the epoch times was just raking in the dough in subscriptions and donations thanks to all their pro-trump content. in the wake of this federal money laundering indictment, the epoch times cfo has pled not guilty. the epoch

times has said it will cooperate with the investigation. there's no evidence that kash patel himself knew about this alleged scheme or was involved in any money laundering scheme, but in a bit of exquisite understatement, brandy zadrozny at nbc news says, writes this quote. it is unclear how having a former epoch times content creator as director of the fbi might affect any investigation of this matter going forward. yeah. you think because if donald trump gets his way this week, this conference, this guy's confirmation hearing is thursday. if trump gets his way on this nomination, specifically, the guy running the fbi will not just be someone who spent the better part of the last few years hosting a podcast accusing the fbi of secretly attacking the us capitol and then covering it up. but he has been hosting that podcast for a media outlet that is currently under federal investigation for running a massive money

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fight with kash website, which is now rebranded as the kash foundation. you can get yourself a deck of playing cards. quote. the collector's item of the century. in one version, the king card belongs to kash, the distinguished wizard and corruption combatant, while the joker is hillary, the dark hearted seeker of absolute power. there are kash shirts and kash hoodies, and kash socks and kash scarves. there's something called an orange man bad punisher license plate. if you're feeling extra spendy, there's an orange man, bad steel wall art, steel wall art. only $250. act now. quote. perfect for every man cave. exclamation point. there is cash, wine, a six pack of cabernet sauvignon on sale for just $243.99. hints of blackberry, dark chocolate, plum and a touch a touch of a touch of french oak. mr. patel

has shilled for a conservative cell phone carrier. use promo code cash for a free month of service. he has shilled for a christian payment processor. he has shilled for what kash patel says is, quote, finally, quote, finally a credit card for conservatives. >> black black. >> patriots are. >> fighting back against. >> the liberal agenda. >> with coin. >> america's first credit card built for conservatives. >> kash patel also hawks pills that he says can reverse the covid vaccination. reverse the vaccine, get healthy. the pills are made by a company whose co-founder has been a defendant and an apparently ongoing class action lawsuit filed by people who say they were overcharged for diet pills, but, quote, ordered this home run kit to rid your body of the harms of the vax, says your would be next director of the fbi. then there's his kids books. patel

has written a trilogy of kids books featuring the evil hillary clinton, who tries to undermine the rightful election victory of king donald and cash, the distinguished discoverer, a wizard who who uncovers the plot. later characters include the baron von baden and his scheming assistant kamala la la. at one point, kash patel signed some copies of one of these children's books with the slogan of the qanon movement, the movement that claims democrats are a cabal of cannibalistic, satan worshiping pedophiles who eat children. kash patel doesn't just do stuff for the kids, though. his most recent non-kids book is called government gangsters, which contains an appendix with a list of names. members of the executive branch. deep state 60 names on the list, including president biden and vice president harris. various biden and obama administration officials, as well as obscure trump administration officials whom kash patel feels have wronged donald trump in some

way. kash patel notes that this list of 60 names is not exhaustive. for example, it does not spell out individual members of what he calls the, quote, entire fake news mafia press corps. but it is good to know that the potential next director of the fbi has himself a starter target list. ready to go. published, printed out in black and white. we reached out to the white house for comment from mr. patel. and some of these things we have not heard back. i know there is a dump truck full of news coming out of this new administration every day. i know we cannot focus on everything all at once, but this seems worth focusing on considering that kash patel has his hearing to become the next fbi director this week. joining us now is senator adam schiff, democrat of california. he's a member of the judiciary committee in the senate, which means he will be able to question mr. patel at his confirmation hearing for fbi director this week. senator,

it's really nice to see you. thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> good to be. >> with you. >> so i've tried to shed a little bit of light on the context of mr. patel's nomination. what's going on at the fbi and the justice department right now, and also a little bit of his history. do you feel like mr. patel's history and his qualifications or lack thereof, for this position, are well understood by the judiciary committee? >> i think. >> they are well understood. >> the question. >> as with so many of these nominees. >> who. >> shouldn't be in a million years confirmed for their positions. >> will it just. >> be democrats that oppose. >> them, or. will republicans also acknowledge what should. >> be plain? >> someone like kash. >> patel is. >> not fit to. >> run an agency of. >> this significance? >> the only. added context that i would mention. >> in addition. >> to what you went through, is. the fbi. not only. is i. >> think the premier. >> law enforcement agency in the

country, but the. director of the fbi is one of the most. powerful officials in. >> the federal. >> government. >> and a. >> lot of the. >> work of the. >> fbi is. >> pretty unreviewable. >> that is, if the fbi. >> director decides to conduct an investigation or. >> in the case of. >> epic times, not. >> investigate a potentially corrupt. >> or money laundering party. >> there's not a whole lot. >> of review that goes on. at least not to, until. >> you get to the stage. >> where someone gets indicted and. >> then they have the due. >> process of a court proceeding. but it is an enormously. >> powerful position. >> where you want someone. >> of stature. >> someone of independence, someone of character, someone. >> frankly. >> like christopher. >> wray. who i didn't always agree with but had all. of those attributes. the last person you. want is someone like kash patel. >> because in addition. >> to being. >> dishonest, untrustworthy, lacking. >> in. >> character. >> all the things that. >> you went through, his. only real qualification.

>> is he was the guy in the first trump. >> administration that. >> you went to. >> when no. >> one else. >> would do the dirty work the. >> president wanted done. >> he was the guy. >> and he therefore rose very quickly through. >> the ranks. >> that is not. >> who you want in this position. >> there have been allegations made in two different settings, two different time periods about mr. patel's involvement with very sensitive, very difficult hostage rescue operations. in one case, he is accused of having jeopardized the investigation, jeopardized the rescue operation. forgive me by saying that permission had been obtained from a foreign government for the us to have aircraft in their airspace, when in fact that permission had not been obtained. and in another case, he is accused of having jeopardized an investigation, jeopardized a potential rescue by publicly announcing it before it was clear that the people who

were being rescued were actually safely in u.s. custody. those, to me, seem like very nonpartizan, very much just national security red flags that i wonder if you if you perceive some of your republican colleagues on the on the committee as potentially having concerns about those things, even if they are otherwise sympathetic to the way mr. patel has lined himself up as trump's sort of enforcer. and, and, and, and minister of vengeance. >> well, i think they're absolutely concerned about exactly those kind. >> of things. >> and one of the two situations you mentioned, according to secretary esper. >> defense. >> secretary esper, i think in his. >> book, patel. >> is believed to have. essentially lied about whether we had permission to fly into the country. >> in which the. rescue operation was going. >> to take place. >> that had to be delayed while. >> they had to confirm whether,

in fact, this was true. if you can't trust. someone in these urgent. >> situations, whether. >> it's a hostage rescue or. >> it's a reports of a. terrorist act that might be. >> committed, if you can't trust the fbi director in that room, people are. >> going to get hurt. >> and so you need. someone of character. you need someone that you can rely upon. you don't want someone who is endlessly self-promoting. >> self-aggrandizing, claiming they. >> had. >> positions they didn't. >> claiming they got authorizations. >> they. >> didn't. or fabricating. >> things, blaming the government in this case, the fbi. >> for january 6th. patently false. >> claims that we're. even considering him is such a dramatic lowering of the bar from the first term. i think when you get past matt gaetz, this is the, you know, the most not only unqualified but

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of cargo. you can see, if you look inside just how huge cavernous they are. these carry around 85 tons and can still get off the ground. wow. right now though, the trump administration is using these same military planes for this for deportations. the trump administration used this c-17 last week to deport 80 people from texas to guatemala. unless each of those people weighs more than one ton, it is functionally inexplicable why they needed to be boarded onto a c-17 to make that flight. maybe they're very dense, i don't know. deportations, of course, take place under every presidential administration. typically, the government hires a plane for the day to do deportations. they charter a traditional civilian style aircraft, costs around $8,000 an hour. so take, for example, that flight last week

from texas to guatemala, about a 12 hour round trip flight, if you did it the old way on a normal, nonmilitary plane, that would have cost taxpayers a little over $100,000. but that, of course, is not how the trump administration is doing it, because look how tough it makes them look to use these big military planes instead. the plane in this picture, this c-17, it is lovely and it can do a lot of amazing things, but it is also wildly expensive compared with normal aircraft. instead of costing roughly $100,000 for that flight, this flight under the trump administration cost taxpayers more than a quarter million dollars. just that one flight. and it's not just the c-17 that's actually the cheaper plane they're using. the white house says they're also going to use a second kind of military plane to carry out deportation, ones that carry out deportations, one that's even more expensive, a 12 hour round trip flight on one of these babies on a c-130 that cost taxpayers as much as $850,000.

and this is not a one off thing that they just did for like week one, to show off how tough they are. and look at our great photo op. the trump administration says they plan to use military planes to deport immigrants every single day of the trump administration. so 365 days a year, times four years, times roughly, let's say $800,000 wasted every single one of those days. if you created a bonfire of all that money, it would outshine the sun. but that's money that they are lighting on fire for no reason other than they think it looks cool, looks tough. what kind of respect does this show for the military? by the way, the new administration has been trying to make a big, splashy deal of all the mass arrests it's been carrying out, very proudly, thumping their

chest and saying they got 1200 immigrants arrested in just one day yesterday. right. they're showing off the fact that they're making good on their promise to prioritize the deportation of immigrants who have committed serious and violent crimes, except the administration is having to admit today that actually, about half of those people they arrested yesterday are not violent criminals at all. half of them are people who have not committed any criminal offense at all. or if they're accused of anything, it's a nonviolent offense, but they nevertheless are about to be put on an $800,000 flight out of the country. because doesn't that photo op look awesome? joining us now is congressman joe neguse, democrat of colorado, a member of the house democratic leadership team. sir, it's nice to see you. thanks for being here. >> thank you. rachel. good evening. good to be with you. >> congress has the power of the purse. that includes approving the budget for the military. what is your feeling about this pledge? that they're going to

use military planes every day for deportations? well. >> first, i would. >> just say. >> rachel, i think. >> you've. >> articulated well, the. core strategy, apparently, of the trump. administration over the last week, which is to flood the. zone with destructive and chaotic. decisions accompanied. >> by. >> bluster and photo ops. whether it's in reference to the planes or the inauguration rally in which the president signed a number of destructive executive orders. >> to obfuscate. >> away from the real damage that's caused by the decisions that he and his administration are making. and that, of course, extends in the immigration context to his unconstitutional attempt to effectively rewrite the 14th amendment to the pardons that you've covered extensively, that he issued to violent felons. who assaulted police officers on january 6th. and all of these decisions are writ large, of course, are striking a lot of fear in communities across the country. including communities that i represent here in colorado. so, of course, it is beyond the irony of ironies that the waste

of taxpayer dollars that you described would only be. >> revealed by virtue. >> of your. >> reporting, since there is no inspector. >> general as a result. >> of his. midnight purge. >> of the inspector generals just a few days ago. so it's important for us. >> to. continue to. >> stay alert and to raise these. issues to a broader section of the american public. >> as i mentioned, you're in democratic leadership in congress, and i think you're getting at it a little bit here in that in what you just said. but can you share a little bit about how democrats, especially democrats in leadership right now, are thinking in terms of strategy and potential action around immigration in the new administration? i mean, obviously they've got some highlight things they are trying to do. they are trying to bring us back, if not to the 1960s, particularly potentially to the 1860s in terms of what they're doing on on civil rights and discrimination. we're seeing what they're doing in terms of

trying to use law enforcement to terrorize and punish people who either criticize or in some ways are defined as in opposition to the president and his administration. they're taking away all forms of accountability and oversight, as you mentioned, with the attorneys general, with the inspectors general. excuse me. but what they're doing to immigrants is something they say they're going to do every day, and they're already getting rid of the idea that it's just going to be criminals, violent criminals. they're already admitting that they're arresting people who don't have any serious criminal charges against them. what's democratic strategy for trying to take that on? >> a couple of things i'd say, rachel. first, i certainly agree with you. i think the fears will only metastasize, given the current course that this administration is on. i think most americans agree that our immigration system is broken and that it merits working together in a. bipartisan way to protect dreamers, to address immigration in a comprehensive, holistic way. that is certainly not this

approach that the administration is taking. and i know i suspect a lot of your viewers, certainly a lot of american citizens, feel helpless and powerless in this moment. given the events of the last seven days. i would encourage folks to resist that temptation. we are not powerless. we each have. >> agency. >> every member of congress, every senator. >> and. every citizen. >> has a voice and now is the time to use it. i would remind your viewers eight years ago as you covered extensively, rachel, during president trump's first term, he made a cornerstone priority of his administration, the repeal of the affordable care act. and as you know, that ultimately did not come to fruition, notwithstanding republican majorities in the house and the senate. and that's because the american public stood up and spoke loudly in opposition to the disastrous plans that he had articulated. i believe that the same will be required in this moment. as you know, the republicans have a dwindling majority that is shrinking by the day in the house. and we will certainly stand principled, consistent

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