who were not detained. >> who had. >> committed some kind of crime, not all of them high level, but but people who they wanted to go out and arrest and they feel like they have that. i will say there is a fear of what's coming, that this could become an unfunded mandate to meet quotas, like having to arrest 1500 in a day without new funding, without more resources. >> yes. >> they get some overtime. >> pay. >> but eventually they could burn out and lose space to try to take these people into detention after they're arrested. so there's a fear of what to come. but yeah, i do think in general, she is reporting that what she's heard across law enforcement that they do feel emboldened by, by this message from trump. and we are watching that unfold in real time. thank you for that, julia. so when it comes to the freeze on federal funding and the loans that the white house announced overnight, we just got some details from the press secretary on what will not be affected. social security, medicare, snap benefits. but our peter alexander pressed her on other programs. will nothing.

>> that the president. >> is doing here. >> in terms of the freeze in these programs. raise prices. >> on ordinary americans. >> what particular actions are you referring to that. >> i'm referring. >> to leap right now. >> that's the low income heating program. >> for example. >> we can talk about. there's no clarity. so i. >> could refer. >> to a lot of them. we don't know what they are specifically. can you tell us that the liheap is. >> not. >> one of. >> those affected? >> so you're asking a hypothetical based on programs that you can't even identify? what i can tell you. >> just just to. be clear. >> since you guys haven't identified. >> let's. >> do it together. >> just for americans at. >> home, medicaid. is that affected? >> i gave you a list of examples. social security, medicare, welfare benefits, medicaid, food stamps that will not be impacted by this federal pause. i can get you the full list after this briefing from the office of management and budget. >> i want to bring in nbc sahil kapoor on capitol hill. so do we know what will be affected? the questions were asked very specifically. you heard peter asking about housing assistance. meals on wheels was a later question. medicaid was not

addressed, she said. medicare, but not medicaid. what do we know? >> we have a sense of what is covered, chris, but we don't have full clarity as that. briefing by caroline leavitt, the new white house press secretary, just showed, apart from the few specific things she did identify, we've been talking to senate democrats and the appropriations committee staff that has identified hundreds of billions of dollars in federal spending that could be implicated for a freeze or a halt in any federal money going out the door. that includes things like veterans care, elder care and nursing homes, rural hospitals, funding for local law enforcement, infrastructure projects, combating fentanyl, as well as disaster relief and fire fighting. senator mark warner, the democrat from virginia, said his office just got a phone call from a domestic violence shelter, the only one that's serving multiple counties in his state of virginia. that said, they may have to close their doors if trump doesn't reverse course immediately. so that's the message that democrats are pushing out today, far and wide, that this is going to cause an enormous amount of chaos and confusion. and to peter

alexander's question, our colleague asked, the really important question is medicaid covered? caroline leavitt didn't know the answer to that. this is a pretty important thing to know. i would say if you're freezing federal funding, because this is a health insurance program that covers about 72 million americans. it's in partnership between the federal government and the states. so it's not in the same category as medicare and social security, where the federal benefits go out directly. those two programs are exempt from this, but it's unclear whether medicaid is going to be frozen as well, which would have an enormous impact not only on low income people who benefit from the program, but also hospitals and providers that are relying on payments from that program. chris. >> all right. thank you for that, sahil. now let me bring in nbc news justice and intel correspondent ken dilanian. so ken, the press secretary, was also asked about those career lawyers at the justice department being fired. she cited a supreme court case saying if challenged in court about those firings, they think they would be successful. tell us about the case and what you know about what happened with these firings.

>> right. >> so this is a case that involved the consumer. financial protection bureau, which was set. up by congress and had restrictions on on whether the president could. fire the head of that agency. >> and the supreme. >> court ruled in that case that the president had the absolute right to. fire executive. branch officials who were carrying out his authority. >> but the. supreme court. also ruled in. >> 1985, in the loudermill case, famously, that federal employees have a right to due process before they're fired. so there's a real there's a conflict here between. >> the president's. >> authority and. >> past supreme court precedent on the rights of federal employees. so we'll. >> have to see. it's an interesting argument that they're making, but it's pretty generally established. >> in law. >> that federal civil servants cannot just be. summarily fired. they have to go through due process. >> and what happened. >> here is these career prosecutors got a letter. >> from the acting attorney general. >> saying, we no longer believe that you can faithfully execute. >> the president's. >> orders because you prosecuted the president. you were. >> part. >> of the weaponization of the

justice department, as they put it. and so therefore. we're firing you immediately. employment lawyers. >> who. >> i've talked to said, that's just not going to fly. they're going to challenge this. >> in front of what's called the. >> merit systems. >> protection board. >> because there's no allegation that they were incompetent, that they didn't follow orders. >> that they did anything improper. >> it was just simply that the president had lost. confidence in them. all that said, is there a world in which the supreme court says, yes, civil servant protections. are great, but except. >> for when. >> the president decides he wants to fire prosecutors, i mean, it's anybody's guess. we'll have to ask other legal experts, but that's that's what's at stake here. that's what's on the line. >> i don't think there's any doubt there are going to be legal challenges on this and many other things. thank you so much for that. ashley parker is back with me. and i think there is a big picture question. there is no doubt that the president is moving quickly. there's no doubt that he had intention to and is, in his mind at least making good on promises that he made on the campaign trail. this is not, or should not be shocking to anyone who followed president trump. he pretty much

laid out what he said he was going to do. having said that, there's fast and then there's good, right? and one of the things that struck me about what caroline leavitt said when she kept being pressed about what programs may have their funding frozen and for how long, what she said was, i will provide that list as soon as it comes to fruition. so what do you see as the real world consequences here? and i wonder how long it will take to trickle down if some of that money doesn't start flowing well? the challenge. >> is that campaign. >> promises. >> especially from. >> this president, are. >> one thing, and a lot. >> of what he's doing is as much a policy, directives and orders as political messaging. but it's another when you actually get into the weeds of governing and the federal bureaucracy and just

what it looks like when you freeze funding. or cut funding. >> or eliminate. >> you know, quote unquote, things that touch on woke gender ideology or the green new deal. and that is sort of the space where. >> the rubber. >> meets the road, because, for instance. >> not even specifically. >> talking about this, but going to something broader like. >> doge. >> it's one. >> thing most americans agree they would like to. cut unnecessary waste, fraud and abuse from the federal government. fine. that's sort of an evergreen, right? like loving your grandmother and puppies. but then when you actually have. to start cutting those departments, people realize, well, wait a minute, this is a benefit i actually rely on. i, a trump voter, actually rely on. or i didn't realize that doing this. >> to the. >> department of education would affect this program at. >> my kids school. >> that i really like. >> or freezing.

>> federal funding. >> sounds fine, but wait a minute. >> that's that's. >> aid that. >> affects my community. >> and so when you go fast like this, you know, she sort of said to peter, well, are we going to deal in hypotheticals? and as he pointed out, they're not hypotheticals, but they're sort of unanswerable questions because there are so many potential programs and funding. >> that could. >> not necessarily. >> but that. >> could be impacted by this. and we just don't know. we, the american citizens, we the reporters at this moment. and in her answer, you got the sense that she just doesn't know entirely yet. and some of this, they may be landing the building, the plane as they fly it. >> ashley parker this is just the first of many conversations i presume we will have on these kinds of things, but i really appreciate you sticking around through this first press conference with us and coming up, the new images from gaza as palestinians continue the slow

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captured these emotional scenes crowds cheering, friends and families reunited, people describing the elation and the pain they're experiencing and their determination to never leave again. one man told us two months ago i was filled with anguish, confined to the tents of shame. however, i am filled with joy today. as i return to the north, i am returning to meet my family, returning to my house. even if it's destroyed, i will build it. and if they destroy it once again, i will rebuild it. we can't give up one inch of it. joining us now from rafah in southern gaza is unicef spokesman jonathan cricks. thanks so much for joining us. and i just would like to ask you broadly what your experience is over these last 24 to 48 hours there on the ground in gaza. what are you seeing and hearing? >> well. >> yesterday i was. >> among those. >> thousands and thousands of

families of children. >> and we were. >> actually distributing high energy biscuits. >> to. >> address malnutrition. it's very important because many young children are suffering from. >> from, from. >> malnutrition in the gaza strip. so we were. there and it was really heartbreaking. and at the same. time to very, very full of joy to see those people carrying, you know, they've been displaced so many times. they were carrying what they could, plastic bags in their hands. >> or. >> backpack on their back. and the children, they they look tired. you could see that they are really in need of so many things that they have been through so much in the past 15 months of war. now, what is really important for those families is to go back to their home in the north, 200, 300,000 people. it's difficult to say, but we clearly see a massive movement of population to the

north, which has been heavily impacted by. >> the war. >> obviously food, medicine, clothing, shelter. give us a sense right now of the scope of the humanitarian effort that is underway and what you're expecting or maybe hoping for in the coming weeks. >> so what the deal is, is including 600 trucks on a daily basis that should enter the gaza strip, both the south of gaza and the north of gaza. what unicef has been doing in the past week is bringing more than 350 trucks with tarpaulins, with winter clothes, with hygiene kits. you know, hygiene is a major challenge here in the gaza strip and medical supplies. so we have been bringing this and it's extremely important that this ceasefire lasts because this ceasefire is bringing up at least finally bringing

humanitarian aid at scale in gaza. and it's also seeing the release of the hostages who can finally be reunited with their families. so it's extremely important that all parties are respecting this ceasefire and for it to be paving the way for a lasting peace here. >> i can only imagine that even with the ceasefire, the job ahead is daunting. it's one thing to get aid into gaza, it's another to write distributed efficiently, to get it to the people who need it most. specifically, given the problem of looting, a senior un official told the new york times that what began as a small scale attempt here and there to seize aid often, we should say, by desperately hungry gazans, has become systemic looting by some armed criminal gangs. so talk about the challenges that your folks on the ground are facing and how equipped humanitarian groups are to deal with this

desperate need. >> well, it's. >> it's a huge endeavor. but what we can say is that since the start of the ceasefire, since its implementation ten days ago, what we can see is. >> that apart. >> from some minor incidents, there. >> hasn't been. >> cases of looting. so that's already a very big step forward. now we are still facing major challenges. you know, the roads are heavily damaged by by 15 months of war. you have rubbles everywhere. the many warehouses have been destroyed, meaning that the supplies which are entering the gaza strip, we have to store them somewhere before distributing them. so. so there are these kind of challenges. it's also important to note that between 5 and 10% of the ammunitions, the bombs which were dropped on the gaza strip in the past 15 months, have not exploded. so we have a lot of

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>> let's bring in the reporter who broke this story. jacqueline alemany of the washington post. mark mckinnon is also with us, former adviser to george w bush and john mccain and creator of the circus. so, jacqueline, i don't ever remember reading a letter quite like this. help us understand some more of the things that are in here and why she ultimately decided to write this letter. yeah. >> chris, thanks. >> so much for having. >> me this afternoon. >> this was. >> a pretty. >> searing and. >> devastating letter. >> that caroline. >> kennedy. >> the former ambassador. >> to australia under former president biden. sent to democratic and. >> republican lawmakers. lawmakers who are. >> going to be confronted. with her. >> cousin's nomination. >> hearings starting tomorrow. >> and on. >> on thursday. >> essentially warning them, advising them. to vote. >> against her cousin. >> she. >> as you note, was. >> reluctant to get involved. >> in this conversation. >> she did not. comment on

rfk's. >> politics or. >> involvement with his. >> own campaign. >> and the. >> trump presidential campaign. >> during the campaign period, she. >> very reluctantly. >> commented on. rfk's politics. >> as it relates to vaccines. >> and the public. health sector. >> at an. event in. >> australia in november. >> but as she lays. >> out in. >> this letter to lawmakers. >> she did. >> not want to get. >> involved in. >> having to discuss. >> the lives. >> and challenges. >> that her. >> family members. >> faced, but. >> felt compelled. to do so. >> because of. >> how well. >> she knows. rfk and. >> what she. >> knows about public health. >> as well. >> having served. >> and participated. >> in some of the. >> public efforts. >> around vaccination and. >> public health. you know, she she. >> not. >> only lists. >> some of his. >> challenges early. >> on in. >> his career. >> but says that he. >> is essentially, she calls him. >> a hypocrite for advocating. that families of sick children. >> not vaccinate. >> their children while his children are vaccinated. she

also says that he. >> seeks to. >> enrich himself through propagating. >> some of. >> these anti-vaccine beliefs. >> such. >> as refusing. >> to recuse. >> himself from. >> a lawsuit that that he's. >> filed against the. >> hpv vaccine, citing a new york times report that the washington post has. not independently confirmed. but there are a list of things she goes. >> through in. >> this letter about why exactly she opposes the nomination. >> it might not. >> necessarily dissuade. any republicans. >> but. >> there were a few democrats who were on the fence that could could. >> really firm. >> up opposition. >> from them. >> she does point out in this letter, mark, that there are 28 cousins, and obviously both she and rfk jr's dad's were assassinated. they share that. and there's another part of the letter letter that i found particularly telling, she writes. bobby continues to grandstand off my father's assassination and that of his own father. it is incomprehensible that someone who is willing to exploit their

own painful family tragedies for publicity would be in charge of american life and death situations. it does go on, including much of what was explained by jacqueline. but let me ask you, do you see this having an impact? >> i really. >> don't i mean, it's no. >> surprise to. >> anybody that the. >> kennedy family is. >> across the board. >> opposed to robert. kennedy's nomination. >> but that's. >> why he's such a prized asset for the republican party. this would be. >> like a member. >> of the bush family being in the biden cabinet. the question is, will it have any. >> effect on, on on confirmation? and the fact is. >> it's certainly not going to have an impact on any republicans. in fact, just the. >> opposite. >> that there is the notion. >> that there. >> could be some democrats out there willing to vote for kennedy. but i don't see that any of the information is particularly new. i mean, it's new that caroline kennedy is coming out and being so vocal, but there's nothing in that

letter, at least that i heard that's particularly newsworthy in terms of information that we didn't already know about robert kennedy. the thing that i find interesting is. >> that abortion. >> policy is not just a big health policy for republicans. it's like. >> the. >> biggest major policy initiative across the board of anything that republicans care about. so you'd think that that would be a mitigating factor in support for kennedy. and yet there's not a single republican pro-life organization, with the exception of the one that mike pence leads, that has come out against robert kennedy. and even very pro-life senators have said or said they're satisfied with kennedy's remarks, that he's listen, he may have had differences in the past, but he is 100% across the board, in alignment with with donald trump's policies on on this issue there. >> you did mention that conservative advocacy group that is headed by mike pence. and they actually just today put an ad out. let me play a little bit of that. rfk jr is.

>> a democrat plant, a radical left liberal. a lot of people think that junior is a conservative. he's not he's more liberal than anybody running on the democrat side. >> so whatever, 6 or 7 months ago, you know, they're playing what donald trump had to say very disparagingly against rfk jr back then. but i think to your point about abortion, and there were a lot of folks when kennedy was first elected who thought, well, his pro-abortion stance will tank him with conservatives. what do you really think changed? or is this just we're going to give donald trump what he wants? >> well, i think that people have looked at the other confirmation process and they realize that that if they don't get on board, there's going to be consequences. trump has made that very clear. but i think

they also really like the idea of having the most iconic name in democratic history. kennedy, on the trump team. i mean, they love that notion. and of course, his vaccine background is absolute alignment. by the way, it's interesting today to see in that it was reported that in kansas, the largest tuberculosis outbreak in history just was reported. so it's interesting what's happening on the vaccine front. but but again, that's that's very much in line with, with with maga voters. and i think a lot of them like that and are willing to put aside his past history on abortion just for that reason. >> jacqueline alemany, great reporting as always. mark mckinnon, always good to have you on the program. thanks to both of you. and tomorrow, stay with msnbc for special coverage of robert f kennedy jr. s senate confirmation hearing as president trump's nominee for secretary of health and human services tomorrow, starting at 10 a.m. eastern, right here on msnbc, coming up in 90s three

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to three people familiar with the plans this week. already, there have been arrests in chicago. that was sunday. today in new york city, where operations are ongoing thursday, they're scheduled to be zeroing in on aurora, colorado. it is striking fear in community after community across the country, with similar headlines splashed across newspapers. one woman in washington told us she's afraid her husband may be next. >> i started hearing the massive deportations and. the anxieties kick in, and. >> then. >> i and i look next to my husband and i'm like, wow, what's going to happen? you know, i'm going to cry. we've tried and tried to get him documented, but the hurdles of being an immigrant and applying, it's difficult. >> nbc's david noriega is in the denver area ahead of the expected operation in aurora, colorado. nbc's priscilla thompson in texas, where the governor is sending state troops to the southern border. so, david, what do we know about how

preparations are there in colorado? >> so, chris. >> i've been talking to a number of recently arrived venezuelan immigrants who live in aurora. and you'll remember that the reason aurora is in the crosshairs of the of the trump administration in the first place is because last year, there were widespread reports of criminal activity by members of a venezuelan gang known as el tren de aragua in aurora. now, those reports, on the one hand, were exaggerated, but on the other hand, the venezuelan immigrants whom i speak to say that the presence of that gang in this city is real, and that they themselves feel victimized by these criminal elements who they say have been harassing, threatening, extorting them, etc. so when i talk to these recently arrived venezuelan immigrants, many of them asylum seekers, and i asked them what they think about these impending ice operations. somewhat surprisingly, some of them actually feel positively about it. they want the trump administration to come identify the criminal elements, arrest and deport them. they think that

that would be a good thing. and they also believe that they, being law abiding, hard working people will, you know, they hope at least be left alone. however, they are also worried, chris, that they're nervous that the authorities, when the time comes to execute these operations, will not distinguish between people with criminal records, criminal convictions and those without. and they worry that they might be caught up in the dragnet. now, you know, i spoke to a couple of people of venezuelan immigrants who work in a barber shop in aurora, for example. i was quite surprised, chris, when i asked them what they thought of donald trump. they actually think that he's pretty good, that he thinks that he's going to do good things for the economy. he's going to be. they understand why the american people elected him. they said that they would have actually voted for him themselves if they had had the ability to vote in november. so it's a complex and it's a nuanced picture. they i will stress this though, chris. they are also nervous because they are not sure that when these operations start, they will be kept apart from those

people whom they describe, people from their own country, from venezuela, whom they describe as delinquents, as people who have been making their lives here in colorado difficult. that is the big question that remains to be answered in the days ahead, chris. >> yeah, there is a lot of confusion about exactly what's going to transpire. priscilla, where you are in texas. i know governor abbott said he was going to send more national guard troops to the border. what do we know? what are you seeing. >> yeah. chris. so a couple of movements happening here. one is that this morning, texas governor greg abbott said that he is sending these texas department of public safety tactical strike teams that are being deployed, and they are going to be working with the department of homeland security and the trump administration to actually arrest undocumented immigrants. so that's one piece just announced this morning. but yesterday, governor abbott announced that he was also sending an additional 400 texas national guard soldiers to the border to assist with this immigration enforcement. and it comes after yesterday afternoon, we saw a disturbing incident

along the border in front in texas, where customs and border protection agents say that they came under fire from members of the mexican cartel. thankfully, no injuries reported there, but part of what is going on is they are sending these troops down to the border. and of course, it comes in the days since we saw those military planes beginning to land here, delivering hundreds of active duty army and marine troops that are also going to be assisting federally with this southern border mission. we are told the last of those planes delivering troops here had arrived. and so they're not any more planned at this time. but of course, those folks are expected to also be helping, not with actual enforcement, but with things like building barrier walls and also helping with those mass deportation flights on military aircraft that we've seen happening over the past several days as well. chris. >> priscilla thompson, david noriega, thank you both for your reporting. appreciate it. effective immediately. that's

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about earlier in this hour from the office of management and budget to freeze federal grants and funding. >> we are preparing. >> to defend our constitution. this president has exceeded his authority. he has violated the constitution, and he has. >> trampled on the co-equal branch of government. >> let's bring in msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin. and lisa, we listened to the first press conference by the new press secretary who said anything that goes directly to an individual she says will not be frozen. but what did we learn here? >> well, chris, that's certainly. >> not the account that attorney general tish james of new york and. >> several. >> other attorneys. general gave in the press conference from their perspective. a variety of federal programs are at risk, and i'll just name two. attorney general rob bonta of california, for example, was asked during the question and answer session whether fema relief to the residents of his state who have been affected by the los angeles area wildfires could be at risk. and he affirmed. >> yes.

>> that in fact, could be at risk. one other program that definitely is at risk is the medicaid program. you have the attorney general from massachusetts, again, during the same press conference saying her state tried to draw down last evening on $40 million in medicaid funding and was unable to because of this omb freeze. these attorney generals will file suit at some point later today. where and when? we don't know. but as attorney general tish james said, their belief is that this is staunchly unconstitutional because the power of appropriations belongs to congress. you also heard her say later in the press conference that the actions that president trump took are arbitrary and capricious. that's lawyer speak for challenging regulations that aren't issued in the ordinary course. they don't give people enough time, for example, to comment or they're not adequately justified by a rationale that would be adequate here. so we're waiting to see what that lawsuit exactly says. in the meantime, chris, we know tish james and others will continue to fight against omb freeze on federal funding to

their states and others. >> lisa rubin, thank you for that. and joining us now is massachusetts democratic senator ed markey, a member of the health committee. he joins me now. let's start there. as you know, i don't have to tell you, senator, medicare medicaid alone covers 72 million people, people of limited means, low income individuals, both adults and children. letitia james said unequivocally, our medicaid reimbursement system is locked. what can you tell us about what's going on in massachusetts and your reaction to it? >> well. >> across the nation. 80% of. >> all people. >> in nursing homes are on medicaid. >> we have a name for those people. >> they're called grandma. >> and grandpa, and 50% of. >> them have alzheimer's. >> when there is. >> an attack. >> on medicaid. >> it goes. >> to our most vulnerable. >> seniors in nursing homes. >> with alzheimer's. >> it also goes. >> to the most vulnerable

children. >> in massachusetts. but across the entire country. and when the portals to medicaid aid is frozen, well, that's casting a pall, a shadow. >> over a. lifeline for. >> seniors, for kids. >> for families. >> all across our country. >> and that. is only. >> the beginning of what's happening. it's doing the same thing for head start, for housing, for. >> firefighters, fire. >> grants, you name it. >> for veterans benefits. >> it's across the board. these are. these are. >> hard working. >> families who depend upon federal. programs to help. >> their families. >> and with the. >> exception of millionaires and billionaires, we're talking about most families. they have. >> someone who needs medicaid, who needs help with. >> their education, with their veterans benefits. >> all the way down the line. >> and trump today has absolutely frozen the ability.

>> for the. >> american people to get access to the help they need for. >> their families. >> we just heard in that press conference that letitia james and other attorneys general plan to fight this. so that's one avenue. what can democrats in congress or republicans who are concerned about it? what can congress do? >> well, first and foremost, i think we should just say no to trump's nominees. >> if they are. >> going to. become the. >> the hatchet. >> men and women for all. of these programs. and let's be. >> honest, this is project. >> 2025. >> the guy who orchestrated project 2025 is now trump's. >> nominee to be. >> the head of the. >> office of. >> management and. >> budget. >> controlling the spigot of federal. >> money that. >> goes to families. all across the country that have been. dependent upon, reliant upon that funding. >> for decades. >> so now the. >> the curtain.

>> has been pulled back. >> and 20 project. >> 2025 is. >> the office of. >> office of management and budget. >> and he's. >> going to be the absolute. >> extension of trump. >> in the white. >> house. >> as king. >> is how. >> he would want it. >> determining which programs live or die. it's unconstitutional, it's cruel. and it will not stand. but we. >> are going to have to get up and fight. >> and not. >> only do members of congress have to stand up and fight, but so don't. families, organizations all across this country. this is absolutely donald trump trying to turn himself into king donald. and it is absolutely unacceptable. >> medicare, medicaid, they would be among the many things that would be part of the purview of the new health and human services. secretary, as you know, tomorrow you will have a chance to question bobby kennedy jr, his cousin, caroline kennedy, just put out a scathing letter urging against

confirmation. among other things, she called her cousin a predator. she talked about him putting baby chickens and mice in a blender. she said he encouraged family members down the path of addiction, but we already know that dozens of nobel laureates, thousands of doctors, have signed letters saying the same thing. caroline kennedy is saying, which is vote no. it does not seem to have moved the needle in any significant way. will caroline kennedy. what is your expectation about this hearing and ultimately the confirmation vote? >> i thank caroline kennedy for her courage for once again, re-emphasizing that his her cousin. is unqualified. >> and dangerous. >> as the secretary. >> of health and human services. we're talking. >> about a man. >> who went to. samoa recommended that the people. >> in. >> samoa not.

>> be vaccinated. against measles. 83 people died, mostly children. and he cast a. cloud over the measles vaccination, the polio vaccination, over the safety and efficacy of vaccinations. >> in general. >> in 1900. >> in our. >> country. >> 18% of children died before. >> the. >> age of five. 18%. what happened? we had a public health regime that we put in place to make sure that ordinary families got the protections, which they needed. what robert f kennedy is going to do is to have a rollback of the confidence in that vaccination regime that we put in place and serve as a distraction, a dangerous distraction. what we should be talking about access to health care, the price of health care, what donald trump is doing with his executive order to cut back

on access to health care for families across our country who depend upon it. that's what we should be debating, not the science of vaccines, not the science of all of the breakthroughs that we have made over the last 50 or 60 years in our country. and that's what his hearing is going to be all about. >> senator ed markey, thank you so much for your time. i do want to show folks a little bit of tape. there were reporters who were around rfk jr today who wanted who asked him about the letter from his cousin caroline kennedy, and he ignored those questions and just kept walking. one of the things he would oversee if he were to be confirmed, is the centers for disease control. and the cdc is cutting off all communications with the world health organization, effective immediately. the move is to comply with the executive order president trump signed last week, withdrawing the us from the w.h.o. and while federal law requires one year's notice before the us can remove itself,

trump says the withdrawal should happen right away. this has experts warning of serious consequences, especially concerns over a bird flu outbreak in this country, which is growing. and this is what the press secretary said about the move just last hour. >> doge and omb have actually found that there was $37 million that was about to go out the door to the world health organization, which is an organization, as you all know, that president trump, with the swipe of his pen in that executive order, is no longer wants the united states to be a part. >> of. >> joining me now, doctor irwin redlener, public health analyst and founding director of the national center for disaster preparedness at columbia university. for folks who don't understand all these letters, talk about the relationship between the cdc and the w.h.o. and what it accomplishes. >> right, chris. >> so this. >> is what it. >> amounts to. >> we have. >> a very. >> powerful entity in the united states. >> the centers for. >> disease control. >> which helps us.

>> get ahead of. >> the major. >> pandemics and. >> infectious disease outbreaks and other. >> illnesses that we need to. >> pay attention to. >> but we work hand in hand with. the world health. >> organization, the so-called w.h.o. and that. >> relationship is a. >> powerful and important one. >> we cannot do this alone. >> we cannot. >> set up a global surveillance system to give. >> us. >> early warning. >> if a pandemic is coming our way, we. are dependent upon our partners in the world and they're dependent on us. we need each other. >> you know, there are republican policies and conservative policies. >> and then there's stupid policies. >> and i hate. >> to say that, but withdrawing. >> the united states from the world health. >> organization puts americans at significant risk for all kinds. >> of problems. >> that we don't even want to have to think about, including. >> the bird flu that. >> you just. >> let's talk about the real. world right now. the us is handling a bird flu outbreak.

what would this mean? >> well, this would mean that we would. lose the benefit of the close collaboration with researchers around the world who are, first of all, looking for early signs of even greater spread of the bird flu, and also working on what we're going to do to prevent the bird flu or treat the bird flu. we can't cut ourselves off from that kind of information and expect to just be, you know, isolated from what the world is doing around these important public health events. and america can pay a very steep price by withdrawing us for god knows what reason from the world health organization. it's one of the most outrageous, unacceptable policies they're putting forward right now. and it's i don't know what to say, but i hope congress is able to step up and say, no, mr. president, you cannot do that. you cannot allow us to withdraw. first of all, it's illegal

because we're supposed to give a year's notice. and second of all, we don't want to even if we could step out of the w.h.o. world right now, it would be dangerous and dumb for american public health and american safety going forward. >> chris, we only have a minute left, but i want to ask you about the administration's move to freeze some foreign aid, including instructing organizations in other countries to stop distributing hiv medications. >> well, i'll tell you right now, the biggest hiv program in the world is what president george bush started, called pepfar. that has saved probably, what, 25 million lives right now dealing with aids and hiv in africa. and they want to stop that. they've already shut off the computers of pepfar workers in africa. i mean, it is it is hamhanded. it is dumb, it is dangerous, and it's profoundly cruel of what this administration is putting on the table right now. >> doctor irwin redlener, i know

we had a compressed amount of time, a lot of news today, but we got in a lot of information. thanks for coming in. sure, chris. and that's going to do it for us this hour. make sure to join us for chris jansing reports every weekday, 1 to 3 p.m. eastern right here on p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. our coverage always dry scoop before you run. listen to me, the hot dog diet got me shredded. it's time we listen to science. one a day is formulated with key nutrients to support whole body health. one a day. science that matters. one for food. but what about when it's your water line that's streaming? repairs are expensive. good contractors, hard to find. the plan from homeserve is like a subscription for peace of mind for one small monthly fee. when a covered system breaks, we'll send a qualified contractor and pay for the repair. why worry? get homeserve and chill plans from homeserve. start at just 4.99 a

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