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>> order, mass firings of inspectors general and career doj prosecutors sending troops to the border, empowering agencies beyond ice and border patrol to arrest undocumented immigrants, halting the entire u.s. aid program pending review. pushing for changes to make civil service easier. civil servants. >> excuse me. >> easier to fire. revoking security for his own former officials who. carried out his own policy and now trying to seize the power of the purse. pausing all federal grants and loans, attempting to block or impound hundreds of billions of dollars in. >> funding. >> congress already appropriated, including, it appears. funding to medicaid and maybe even head start, according to one senator, donald trump is actively testing the limits of presidential power, trying or at least signaling that he is remaking the whole of government in his image. so is that what is

actually happening, and how far can he actually take it? joining us now to try to figure it out. msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin, new york times reporter and msnbc contributor jeremy peters, nbc news senior white house. >> correspondent garrett hake. >> and punchbowl news co-founder and msnbc political contributor jake sherman. garrett, i am. >> so confused. >> about what exactly is going on in regards to the pause of all of this federal funding. can you explain it to me? do you have more clarity? >> i have. >> perhaps a little bit more. katie, the bottom line here is this guidance from the office of management and budget that came out overnight, the white house says is designed to reflect funding that they say should not go to priorities, that this president doesn't want it to go to things that. >> might be exempted. >> based on the various executive orders that he's put in place in his first week in office. but the language. >> of. >> this first order was incredibly confusing. talking about grants and federal programs that suggested that at

least most of the federal government, except for payments directly made to individuals, might at least be temporarily paused and reviewed. now, in her. first press briefing today, the white house. >> press. >> secretary. >> caroline leavitt, was pressed by my colleague peter alexander about some of the. >> things that. >> will or won't be part of this pause. here's what she said. >> president trump. >> of course, ran. >> one of the key policy items. >> was. >> that he was going to lower prices. >> lower the cost of everything. >> from groceries, as. >> he often said. but in many of. >> the. >> cases, it would. seem that. some of these moves. >> could. >> raise prices for real americans. >> on everything. >> from low income heating. >> that program, child care programs will nothing that the president. >> is doing here in. >> terms of the freeze in these programs. raise prices. >> on ordinary americans. >> what particular actions are you referring to that would. >> leap right now? that's the low income heating program. for example, we can talk about. there's no clarity. so i. >> could refer. >> to a lot of them. we don't know what they are specifically. can you tell us that the liheap is not one of those affected.

>> so you're asking a hypothetical based on programs that you can't even identify. what i can tell. >> you, just just to be clear, since. >> you guys haven't. >> identified, let's do it together. >> just for americans at home. >> medicaid. is that affected? >> i gave you a list of examples. social security, medicare, welfare benefits, medicaid, food stamps that will not be impacted by this federal pause. i can get you the full list after this briefing from the office of management and budget. >> katie, what. >> i have. >> now is not. >> the full list of programs that. will be affected, but at least. >> a partial list of programs that the. >> white house. >> says will not be affected. this is a new memo coming from the white house hoping to clean up some some of this confusion here today, which. says things like medicaid will continue without pause. snap benefits will continue without pause. funds for small businesses, farmers, pell grants, head start rental assistance and other similar programs will not be paused. but lest that eliminate some confusion, let me reintroduce some, because just within the last couple of hours, connecticut senator chris murphy has said that he that in connecticut, some reimbursement

programs through head start appear to be paused. and we at nbc news have confirmed that there is some issue with this payment system related to head start in connecticut. whether it's related to this or not. i cannot say as i'm standing here today, but the trump white house. >> is. >> clearly taking big swings here and creating perhaps more confusion than savings. ultimately, at the end of the day, since we still don't know affirmatively what programs will. >> be paused. >> what about medicaid? because senator wyden has said that medicaid portals in all 50 states are down. >> the. white house says medicaid is not. affected by this. if those portals are down, i think the white house would say that's unrelated. but again, this is the problem here, you know, trying to chase this down across the breadth of the federal government. we're going through one agency at a time, jake. >> the power of the purse is designated to congress. it's part of the separation of power and government. it allows, you know, not one part of government to have too much authority. it's how you stop a dictatorship or you stop a king. how does

congress feel about donald trump trying to i'll use the term impoundment, even though the white house says it's not impounding. can you explain what that term is and tell me how congress feels? >> well. >> you and. >> garrett both know my love. >> for the united states congress. i love congress. i think it has an important responsibility. >> congress has. completely abdicated, katie. >> republicans in congress, let me. >> be. >> clear, have completely. >> abdicated their role. >> as a separate, equal. >> branch of government. mike johnson, we wrote a couple of weeks ago in punchbowl news, is basically conducting his job as speaker of the house, as a an aide. >> of sorts to. donald trump. >> congress has. >> absolutely no. >> views of its. >> own and waits for trump. to say what. >> he's. >> going to. >> say and to weigh in how he will weigh in. >> that is. >> no way for congress to act. i mean, congress has and this is a much longer discussion. which will. >> bore your viewers.

>> but congress has. >> abdicated a lot of responsibility and. >> power over. >> the years. but this is a whole new level now. impoundment is can. the question is, can the white house, can the. administration can any white house. >> or the administration. >> or any administration impound withhold money that congress has already appropriated and presidents have signed into law? the answer to that broadly. >> is no. but listen. >> katie, you're going to have a omb director. that's the office of management and budget, russ vought, who is if confirmed, and we. >> expect he will. >> be confirmed. will test the outer limits of the law. >> he has said. >> that he does not. >> have conventional. views on the. >> budgeting process. >> he said in his confirmation hearing, he was asked about that impoundment act. and he. >> said president. >> trump. >> ran against. >> the. >> impoundment act. well, it's an interesting. data point, katie, but if the president doesn't. like a law on the book, it's his. responsibility to attempt, if he would like or she would like to change. >> said law. >> not to ignore. >> it, and said, i campaigned.

against it. >> that's not how our system of government works. >> although it might be how. >> it works for. >> the. next four years. >> and furthermore, one more point here you're just. >> not katie. >> going to have a congress that tests. him with. republicans in the house, republicans. >> in. >> the. >> senate. >> the majority. >> in both. >> chambers, completely in debt and in awe, frankly, of donald trump. you're not going to have a legislative branch that stands up to trump in any way. >> let me play that moment during the confirmation hearing for russ vought, this was senator patty murray asking him whether he would enforce the impoundment act. and here, as you mentioned, here's what he said. >> will you, if confirmed. >> as director. >> director, faithfully follow the law, the impoundment control act. >> yes or no. >> senator. >> we will faithfully uphold the law. >> the president. >> ran on the. >> notion that the impoundment. control act is unconstitutional. i agree with that. >> as the impoundment. >> law ever been said to be unconstitutional. >> by. >> a court of law?

>> not to my knowledge. >> it has not. so it is the law of the land. i don't care what the president said when he was running. it is the law of the land. >> okay, hold on to that for one second. garrett, you've got a statement from the white house on medicaid. >> katie. >> you ask, we answer. the press secretary has just put out a statement on this saying that the white house is aware of these reports, that the portals are down, but they say that payments are not affected, they're still being processed and sent and that they expect the portal will be back online shortly. so they view this as unrelated to the spending pause. >> i should say hi to everybody at the white house who's watching right now, and thank you for getting us that answer. all right, lisa, let's talk about impoundment. let's talk about what russ vought told senator patty murray what jake was talking about. this seems like something. i mean, we might have thought that trying to overturn birthright citizenship would be first up for the supreme court. it seems like this might be first step for the supreme court. >> it could be, but. >> both share sort of a common dna, which is that not only is it unconstitutional, but here you've got a statute that's

being ignored as well as constitutional text. you talked in the beginning about this is fundamental to our separation of powers. it's more than that. article one of the constitution gives congress the authority to appropriate money from the treasury. that is a congressional responsibility and belongs only to the congress. there's nowhere in article two, which is about the president that says, you know what? he has a role here, too. his role is solely with respect to vetoing acts of congress when he can and when it's not overridden. this inherent authority over impoundment, which is what russ vought seems to be advocating. there is no constitutional text that would authorize that. they certainly will try to get the supreme court to endorse that. but there is no precedent in supreme court history that would give them reason to believe that that's where this. >> court is going. this is a supreme court, though, that has ruled in the past toward expanding executive authority. >> yes, and expanding executive authority all the way to the point where the president is immune for his unlawful actions while he is in office. and so

this supreme court has given rise to what i'll call the elastic unitary presidency. the president has all powers, and he can sort of stretch the limits of what those powers are, because he believes that there will be no consequences for him in doing so. within the last eight days. katie, we've seen that theory being tested by him. >> jeremy. >> yeah. >> and stretch he will. right. >> i mean. >> he's trump has clearly embraced this view of the imperial presidency. >> that, you know. >> richard nixon. >> and others. saw themselves as having, i. >> think. >> congress in the kind of impotent. >> stage that it has. >> been in for the last decade or. >> so, as. >> jake. >> said, is going. >> to be of. >> no consequence. >> to trump. >> and his desires. >> to kind of flout the law. >> and the. letter of the. constitution as he sees fit. >> i think congress. >> at least the. >> republican wing. >> of it. >> in the house and. >> the senate. >> has been completely cowed. >> into submission. >> by trump. >> the political. figure from whom they derived their political power and political

relevance. so until you know, something miraculous. >> happens and. >> trump somehow is no longer. the popular figure. >> that he. is with. >> the republican. >> voting base, i think you're going to see this. >> kind. >> of unitary executive. act as it. >> wishes to interpret. >> the constitution. one thing as. >> a point. >> of contrast. >> to where other republicans are. >> actually standing up to their chief executive, something very. >> interesting is. >> happening in florida. >> right now. >> where the republican. >> legislature has told. ron desantis, no. >> we. >> are not. coming back to session. >> on. >> your terms. desantis had called a special legislative session and they said, nope, we're not going to do that. you are. >> encroaching too much on. >> our powers as a legislative body. >> we're not just going to hand that over. >> why do they feel empowered to do that? is that because donald trump has defenestrated ron desantis and they feel like he's weak and there's blood in the water? >> i think that's absolutely it. i think because you have the

republican. >> leadership in the state. >> legislature there saying that it basically is. >> acting with. >> i don't know if the consent of trump is the right word, but in the spirit of trumpism. >> all right. i want to put up on our screen this is some details of what omb, the office of management and budget is asking for on the agencies that are currently having a pause, who knows for how long in funding? this is school meals for low income students. the wic week excuse me nutrition program for pregnant women and infants, wildfire. >> preparedness for. >> the department of the interior don't need that. the medicare enrollment assistance program, usaid, foreign assistance and mine inspections, a reintegration program for homeless veterans. garrett. is that all correct and up to date as we know it so far from the white house? >> well. >> conceptually, those. >> are programs. >> that could. >> be affected. but the white house is trying to explain that. they view this as pauses related to programs where they see things running afoul of these

executive orders. so look at it through the lens of, you know. >> dei programs. >> for example. >> if they can go. >> into one of those programs that you just put up on your screen and they find some kind of program that is spending money allocated to mine safety on, you know, diversity, equity and inclusion programs. they want to see that paused. but they're trying to take some pains here. and i don't think they're doing a very good job of making it crystal clear that all of these programs are not put on pause, sort of pending proof that they're not spending money on this. it sort of works the other way. >> so i. >> think we're going to have to see where the rubber meets the road on this, because the guidance they have put out is not clear, and it has created this enormous amount of confusion all around the country. at basically any agency that gets federal money, they're calling up. >> their. >> lobbyists and they're calling up the people that they know in washington saying, what is going to happen to our checks to cover our rent and our payroll. and it's just not functionally clear right now. >> jake, is there any worry that maybe some of the folks that are

affected by this are folks that voted republicans into office, voted donald trump into office, and that there might be some blowback down the line? >> yup. >> i mean, listen, programs like leap, which is a. >> subsidized home heating. >> program, republicans. >> democrats from new england, from northern states benefit. >> from that. >> that has been a point of tension on capitol hill for some time, as. republicans have. tried in the past. >> to cut away on at programs like liheap. i mean, it's. an interesting. >> contrast, katie. >> i've been up here in doral, florida, at. >> the house republican retreat for the last. >> two. >> days, and republicans have been talking about how they've. >> completely changed. >> the face of the republican party. >> they're digging. >> in deeper with with constituencies they had never seen before, lower income, working class, all these other, you know, groups that they had no success with in the past. many people in many different groups benefit from government programs that they are trying. >> to slash. >> and i just think and remember.

>> i just when they. >> go in the next. >> couple of weeks to. craft a budget. >> which will. >> unlock this process to pass the tax. >> cuts that donald trump wants, they're going to have to make tough. decisions about what they are willing and unwilling to cut. and every republican save one will need to sign on the dotted line and vote for that. that is where the rubber meets the road right now. they can say, oh, we don't know. we don't know what this is going to impact. the white house is saying this. you're saying that, okay, fine. but when the rubber meets the road in the next couple of months, they are going to have to make a call whether they are comfortable cutting medicare, medicaid, social security, liheap, wick, you know, all these government programs, which, by the way, that the administration has said they're not going to cut a number of these programs, but we'll see. this is a very complicated process, and it comes time where you have to put your name next to a vote. >> the talk is going. to generate a lot of controversy out of there, a lot of conversation. but as jake was saying, it's important to follow up with what they actually do here. what actually changes in

policy, who was actually actually affected by this. but again, even a. pause in some of these programs is going to affect people because you have payroll issues, you've got rent to pay. i mean, a pause for a day would be enough to negatively, negatively affect some of these programs. and the people who are enrolled in these programs. all right. we're going to we're going to leave this conversation here for a moment. we're going to come back in just a second. thank you to everybody. still ahead, what caroline kennedy is warning congress about her cousin ahead of rfk jr's confirmation hearing. again, this all dovetails into a donald trump stretching the limits of his authority as the executive. also, what president trump is saying world leaders have agreed to in the middle east, even though those same world leaders, those same countries are saying, no, we're not. also, plus, the immigration crackdown continues, what the director of ice told field offices to do in order to increase arrests. we're back in

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management or medical experience. his views on vaccines are dangerous and willfully misinformed. these facts alone should be disqualifying. but he has personal qualities. related to this job, which. >> for me pose even. >> greater concern. i've known bobby my whole life. we grew up together. it's no surprise that he keeps birds of prey as pets because bobby himself is a predator. he's always been charismatic, able to attract. >> others through. >> the strength of his personality, his willingness to take risks and break the rules. i watched his younger brothers and cousins follow him down the path of drug addiction. his basement, his garage, his dorm room were always the center of the action where drugs were available, and he enjoyed showing off how he put baby chickens and mice in a blender to feed to his hawks. it was often a perverse scene of

despair and violence. bobby preys on the desperation of parents of. >> sick children. >> vaccinating his own kids while building a following, hypocritically discouraging other parents. from vaccinating theirs. bobby is willing to profit and enrich himself by denying access to a vaccine that can prevent almost all forms of cervical cancer, and has already been safely administered to. >> millions of. >> boys and girls. >> all right. jake sherman is still with us. jake. this is this is about as as stark a warning i've heard from anyone on anyone. caroline kennedy just talking about the character of rfk jr and how dangerous he would be. is this the sort of message that senators, republican senators would be willing to hear? >> yeah, a group of them, katie. sure. i would say that his nomination is one of those that is not assured at this point, along with tulsi gabbard and

perhaps a kash patel, although i think kash patel is a little bit more safe than both of those folks. i think what we learned in the hegseth nomination is that clearly, we knew this before. mitch mcconnell, susan collins and lisa murkowski are are willing to go their own way and suffer or risk the political consequences. murkowski has already won a primary campaign as a write in candidate named murkowski, which is not easy. i'm not you know, susan collins is up in 2026. i'm not sure. i don't know either way whether she's going to run again. mitch mcconnell is extremely unlikely to run to run again when he is up for reelection. so those three alone could put kennedy on the brink of losing. now, 1 or 2 others would seal the deal. i don't know. maybe he gets 1 or 2 democratic votes, although i really don't. i'm really not certain of that. so i think that his his nomination is definitely in trouble and independent of what caroline kennedy says. i think this just adds to the

chorus of bad news for rfk jr. >> i mean, putting mice and baby chickens in a blender is a lot. let me ask you about senator thom tillis, because the wall street journal is reporting that danielle hegseth, pete hegseth, former sister in law, who's the one that came forward, put her name down to these allegations about pete hegseth being violent and abusive and drinking, that thom tillis personally assured her that that he could convince republicans not to vote for hegseth if she was willing to go on the record, and that he himself would not vote for hegseth. this is the accusation or the claim that that she's making. the wall street journal is reporting it out. but tillis was the was the vote that secured his nomination. he was the 50th vote. can you explain that? i i'm a little lost on on the promise that that danielle is claiming and what hegseth or what tillis actually did and whether he would be somebody to look toward for kash patel or

for rfk jr or tulsi gabbard. >> yeah. >> i mean, tillis is also up for reelection in a state. katie, that is that is blowing quite quickly, although not as quick as democrats would like it to. what tillis said publicly at the time was he was going to do his due diligence and figure out whether he could vote for hegseth, and that's what he told to the wall street journal that he said to danielle hegseth. so there is some disagreement. he didn't dispute any of the wall street journal's reporting at all, but he says that he said that the letter would give people pause. it did, i guess, presumably. and it also would prompt him to do more due diligence on his candidacy. now, i know hegseth worked tillis over hard, but, you know, if tillis wants to get out of a primary and this is what members of congress are concerned about. katie, i don't mean to be glib. they are concerned about getting out of a primary. and if they choose to, to win reelection, to run for reelection, if he wants

to get out of a primary, getting being a no vote on trump's nominees is going to be very difficult. so if he votes no on any of these folks, i think that it would be a signal that he might not be running again when he's up for reelection. >> all right, jake sherman, thank you very much for sticking around with us and coming up. >> thanks, katie. >> what newly confirmed dhs secretary kristi noem is doing in new york city this morning and today, what she's saying also, what could still go wrong with the israel-hamas ceasefire? it's holding for now. but what could break it? don't go anywhere. >> work, play. blink. relief. work. play. blink. relief. work. play. blink. relief. >> the only 3 (auctioneer) let's start the bidding at 5 million dollars. (man) robinhood gold members get a 3% ira match.

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at the state department, aaron david miller, what's the likelihood that palestinians in gaza are going to look around and say, this is just too much of a mess for me. i'm going to go to jordan. i'm going to go to egypt. >> slim to none. katie and. >> i think slim already. >> left town. look. the president, having been president for four. >> years. >> truly understands the sensitivities and sensibilities, particularly of the. >> jordanians and. >> the egyptians, for. absorbing anything. >> that resembles a. >> permanent basis or even temporary, because temporary in the middle east. >> has. >> a has. >> a. >> way of becoming permanent. as we know. >> he knows. >> that egypt. >> and. >> jordan are not going to accept large numbers. >> of. >> palestinians on a permanent basis. >> he also knows that palestinians. however bleak their circumstances. >> and they are. >> incredibly grim. even with the cease fire, the prospects of reliable humanitarian assistance and reconstruction aid. it's a it's a huge lift. they're not

going to accept. >> forced displacement. i mean, i suppose. >> i suppose some might. >> but we're. >> talking roughly. >> two, 2.3 million palestinians in gaza. he also. knows that that president trump, that he's reflecting the views of many right wing israelis who would like nothing better than to see. gaza emptied of palestinians and additional territory taken by the. >> israelis for. >> permanent settlement. there is a substantial constituency, certainly in the israeli government and their constituents on the right who want to see that. >> so i think. >> he's being intentionally disruptive that but if i were jordan and egypt, i'd be a little worried that from here on in a transactional president may well say, you know, you want to continue an assistance, you want the us as a friend, then you're going to have to meet me halfway. you need to start taking some of these people. so i think it's by and large, very unhelpful all the way around. >> that also goes at transactional quality of his goes to the israelis as well.

and donald trump the first time around was all in on the abraham accords, normalizing relations with saudi arabia. if he wants saudi arabia back on his side to move this thing along, to potentially be in the running for a nobel peace prize. saudi arabia has its own demands. they want there to be a pathway to statehood, a real pathway to statehood for palestine. they want that to exist. that's something that israelis don't want. the israeli government certainly doesn't want it as it's currently configured. how much sway would donald trump have in forcing that issue on the israeli side? >> well. >> i guess this is the unanswered question. what we don't know clearly in trump 1.0, the president created a veritable sugar high for the netanyahu government and did very little that could be considered against israeli interests. trump .20, however, may well be different because on

two issues, i think that the president's objectives may well collide to some extent with israel's. number one is on iran. i don't think the president is interested in a major middle east war or is going to readily acquiesce in an israeli strike against iran, iran's nuclear facilities. he wants to deal with iran. at least he wants to test the proposition or the possibility that there could be a deal. second, he is looking for a nobel. and if you google donald trump and nobel, it's funny how many times over the last. well, when he was president and during the last four years that he's referred to the fact that obama didn't deserve one and maybe he should have one. and i think he does. he does want one. and that is going to bring him if, in fact, the saudis are willing to play along, and i think they probably are, but they're going to need some sort of commitment on the issue of palestinian statehood and demonstrable steps on the part of the current government of israel or any government of israel that, in fact, the israelis are serious, at least

down the down the road of taking steps that would inspire confidence that they believe in that as an outcome. and those are two goals and objectives right now that don't mesh quite with what with the government that the that the current israeli prime minister is presiding over. >> it's complicated. aaron david miller, we're going to wait and see. yeah, always. let's have you back on to talk about this further. the story is one that i'm sure is going to be big for us. >> forever. >> maybe forever. aaron david. >> miller but let's hope not. but thanks again. >> let's hope not. still ahead, what a lawmaker in california is doing to hold big oil accountable for the state's devastating wildfires. what they think should happen to big oil. what people who are victims of this fire should be able to do. that also includes insurance companies. first, though, what we know about ice's plan to ramp up arrests in new cities,

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joining us now, nbc news homeland security correspondent julia ainsley and nbc news senior white house correspondent gabe gutierrez, who is in new york city. you know, i was watching the white house press conference a little while ago, and caroline leavitt, gabe said that anybody who's who's coming to this country without the proper documentation is considered a criminal, according to this white house. she was asked whether there were other folks that were getting taken into custody who maybe weren't convicted of a crime or arrested for a crime, and she really broadened the scope here, widened the aperture, if you will, to say that it doesn't matter. anybody who's here without the documentation is a criminal, according to this white house. >> yeah. that's right, katie. and, you know, we had heard this type of argument before from administration officials. but caroline leavitt in that white house press briefing really crystallized it here, especially after a question from our own peter alexander. i'll get to that in a second. i just want to tell you where i am, katie. i'm here at the roosevelt hotel here in midtown manhattan. the line

behind me is actually migrants waiting to get their asylum seekers waiting to get into this hotel. this is around the time many of the kids come home from school. this is this remains the city's main migrant intake shelter. and it's, you know, more than 230,000 asylum seekers have come into new york city over the past two years and a half. when i get back to the white house press briefing, though, you're right. peter alexander asked caroline leavitt whether it was no longer the priority of the administration to go after violent undocumented immigrants. listen. >> he was going to focus on those violent offenders first, those violent offenders, no longer the predicate for. these people to be deported. >> the president has said countless times on the campaign trail. i've been with him at the rallies. i know you've been there, covering them to peter, that he is focused on launching the largest mass deportation operation in american history of illegal criminals. and if you are an individual, a foreign national who illegally enters the united states of america, you are by definition a criminal. two things can be true at the same time. we want to

deport illegal criminals, illegal immigrants from this country. but the president has said that, of course, the illegal drug. criminal drug dealers, the rapists, the murderers, the individuals who have committed heinous acts on the interior of our country and who have terrorized law abiding american citizens. absolutely. those should be the priority of ice. but that doesn't mean that the other illegal criminals who entered our nation's borders are off the table. >> understand? >> and, katie, we should point out asylum seekers. that is a legal process in this country. and also there are many migrants that come here from certain countries that were under temporary protected status. the trump administration now revoking that. so but right now you hear it. trump administration does say that they believe anybody, any undocumented immigrant, they are here illegally. and this comes after on sunday, nearly half of those arrested were undocumented, undocumented immigrants without a previous criminal record case. >> so, julie, give us the moves

at dhs regarding this and what the intention is here. donald trump wants more enforcement. does this mean that does this mean that they are actually trying to get to their million people per year desire that stephen miller was laying out during the campaign? >> they certainly have. >> that goal, katie. >> and we understand that. >> they've given that goal, or rather. >> a quota. >> to different ice field offices or. 25 across the country, and they want collectively for them to be arresting between 1200. >> and. >> 1500 a day. that's a big jump on average, the last month for which there's data available in the biden administration, they were arresting about 282 people per day on average. so that's. >> a big jump. >> but the problem is, katie, they don't always have. >> the space to put them, and they don't. >> have enough manpower when they. >> just. >> use ice. and so that's what we're learning about these three cities they want to do every week. this week it's chicago. >> new. >> york, where gabe is now. and we understand from sources familiar with the planning,

aurora, colorado could be next on thursday. and then the following week they'll pick three. >> more cities. >> but that doesn't mean that other cities aren't also. >> seeing rates we've. >> heard about in sweeps and operations. we've heard about operations in newark, new jersey, los angeles, atlanta, elsewhere. that's because they have been given these new goals to try to embolden ice agents to go out and make arrests. and when that happens, the easiest people to get, katie, are not. >> the criminals. >> when they go out to arrest someone who they consider part of their fugitive operations. gabe's been on these ride alongs, so have i. sometimes it can take about ten people, ten agents, just to go arrest one person. but when it comes to non-criminals people who they don't see as a big threat, they don't expect them to be armed. in fact, usually they're catching them off guard in their day to day lives. those people are actually easier to find. so if they're given these new goals to arrest more people. katie, it means we're going to continue to see more people who have committed no other crime other than being in this country illegally be arrested. juliette. >> just really quickly. i'm out of time. if you've claimed

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