attending her 25th consecutive year. >> of. >> being there. >> there you go. >> leadership from from all corners. clive davis, thank you for joining us on a big week. and good luck this weekend. >> well. >> thanks so much, ari. >> thank you. >> the biggest night in music is this weekend. we also just partnered this week with rolling stone on their list of the 100 best protest songs you can tell me. well, first of all, you could see it at msnbc.com. ari, we have the chuck d and ani difranco interviews. go to that link on youtube. you'll see the whole thing. but my question for social. what is your favorite protest song of all time? you can tell me at any social media you use. we've continued to ask that question as i'm curious to hear it from you. that does it for us. the reidout with joy reid is up next. >> how are you doing? thank you, ari, and i've already given.

>> you my. >> vote. >> so i won't revisit it. thank you very much. good night. >> all. >> we could do it every night. i'll see you soon. >> i'm happy. >> to do it. >> i'm happy to do it. you don't have to prompt me, brother. >> i'll do it any time. >> thank you, my friend. >> i appreciate it. >> all right. good night. >> we have. >> a lot. >> to get to tonight. in the next hour of the reidout, including. >> stacey abrams. on trump's obsession with race and the. >> mania about getting. >> rid of anything. >> that promotes diversity. but we begin tonight with this question who exactly. >> is. >> running the government? >> just about. >> 36 hours after donald trump's office of management and budget tried to freeze trillions of dollars in federal grants and loans, mostly used to fund programs. >> for americans. >> in need, the. administration reversed course and rescinded the directive. >> after causing widespread chaos. >> and confusion. >> surprise. >> surprise, even after being president before, donald trump still doesn't know how the government works. he's happy to give free reign. to a gang of right. >> wing ideologues. >> to run the show. >> to please the billionaires. >> who brought him back. >> to the. >> white house. while trump

himself watches. >> fox or. >> golfs, or shows up to give speeches festooned by soldiers like he's the leader of some military dictatorship. bottom line, he's. >> just happy. >> to be free. >> of. >> the threat. >> of prison. >> but if you remember his campaign, not much of what you're seeing in this first week and a half actually kind of reads. >> like donald trump. >> the freeze on federal funds. >> sounds like. >> something out of. >> elon musk's doge plan to slash. >> the government. >> and elon's influence is all over trump's other. unauthorized gambits a payout to. federal workers to resign. >> with an email subject. line fork in the road that mirrored. elon's email to twitter employees in 2022, when he bought the company. >> the white house won't say. >> if musk was involved. >> in. >> the payout plan, but the imprint. >> of another billionaire. >> backed ideologue is all over. >> trump's immigration. >> executive orders. >> stephen miller, who seemingly. >> fulfilled a. >> lifelong goal of mobilizing the force of the. entire united states. >> government to. >> terrorize immigrant

communities. >> there's also. >> trump's ripped straight from project. >> 2025 and the. >> heritage foundation executive. >> orders. and the man behind project 2025. >> who trump has tapped to run the office of. management and budget. again, russell vought gave up the game to. >> two investigative reporters. >> with the nonprofit. >> center for climate reporting last summer, when they secretly recorded a nearly two hour conversation with him who, you know, thought he was meeting with wealthy donors. >> in an ideal world, i mean. >> i think we could. >> save the country in. >> a sense of, you. >> know, the largest deportation in history. and once you once that starts. >> there's going. >> to. >> be you're. going to be. >> winning a debate along the way about. >> what that looks like. >> right. and so that's going to cause us get to get us off of. >> multiculturalism, just to be. >> able to sustain and. defend the deportation. right. >> to opt out of multiculturalism. >> but the part that should. >> really infuriate you about

all of this is the political. >> gangsterism and the money that these billionaires and. ideologues will throw around to further the steal. the heritage. foundation pledged $1 million to pressure senators to support pete hegseth as. >> defense secretary. >> elon musk. also indicated that. >> he'd primary. >> republicans who didn't support trump's nominees. and there are the billionaire self-proclaimed health experts. >> who arose out of. covid leveraging. >> their influence, like nicole shanahan. >> in a video ahead. >> of today's confirmation. >> hearing for her. onetime running mate. >> robert f kennedy jr. for health and human services secretary, she was mask off with the mob tactics, putting senators she'd previously donated to and a dozen others. >> on notice. >> that the. >> two candidates. >> i helped. >> elect. >> senator raphael. warnock and. jon ossoff. please know. >> i. >> will be watching your votes very closely. i will make it my. >> personal mission.

>> that you lose your. >> seats in the senate. >> if you. >> vote against. >> the future. >> health of america's children. this is a bipartisan. >> message. >> and it comes. >> directly from me. >> while bobby may be willing to. play nice. >> i won't. if you. >> vote against. >> him, i will personally fund. >> challengers to. >> primary you in your next election. >> and so it's that kind. of threat that gets you, pete hegseth, running the pentagon and rfk jr potentially running america's health care with no experience in actual health and full of. wildly dangerous views today, kennedy. >> was grilled. before the. >> senate finance committee about various topics, including his previous anti-vaccine activism, as well as his conflicting stances on abortion with democrats like senator michael bennet of colorado using kennedy's own words against him. >> mr. kennedy, did you say. that covid 19 was a. genetically engineered bioweapon that targets black and white people, but spared ashkenazi. jews and

chinese people? >> i didn't say it was deliberately targeted. covid 19 is targeted to attack caucasians and black people. the people who are most immune are ashkenazi jews and chinese. >> did you say lyme. >> disease is a highly. >> likely militarily. engineered bioweapon? >> i probably did say that. it's another thing that keeps us from enjoying the outdoors and keeps us locked inside. and the idea that this may have been is highly likely to have been a military weapon. >> did you say that exposure. >> to pesticides. >> causes children to. >> become transgender? >> no, i never said that. the capacity for these chemicals that we are just raining down on our children right now to induce these very profound sexual changes in them is something we need to be thinking about as a

society. >> did you. >> say. >> on a podcast? >> and i quote, i wouldn't. >> leave it. abortion to the states. my belief. >> is. >> we should leave it to the women. we shouldn't have the government involved, even if. >> it's full term. >> did you say that. >> mr. kennedy? >> senator, i believe that every abortion is a tragedy. i wouldn't leave it to the states right now. i would i. >> would say completely. it's up. >> to the. my belief is we should leave it to the woman. we shouldn't have government involved. >> even if. >> it's full term. >> even if it's full term. >> oops. kennedy even fumbled softball questions. >> lobbed at. >> him by trump's maga cronies, who claimed. kennedy is going to make america healthy again. >> i got. >> a real quick question for you. are you a. >> conspiracy theorist? >> that is a pejorative, senator, that's applied to me. i'm mainly to keep me from

asking difficult questions of powerful interest. i was told that i was a conspiracy theorist. that label was applied to me because i said that the vaccines, the covid vaccine, didn't prevent transmission and it wouldn't prevent infection. >> joining me now is. >> former kansas governor. kathleen sebelius, who served as secretary of health and human services in the obama administration. you could almost. >> see secretary sebelius. >> thom tillis. >> his face, start to harden. >> as he continued to reel off conspiracy theory after conspiracy theory. >> we showed. >> one of them, but then he named a bunch, and then thom tillis just interrupted and said, okay, okay. >> okay, i think we're. >> done here. we're just going to move on. >> you know? i mean, what did you make of these. >> hearings today? >> if you had a chance to. >> see much. >> of it? >> well, i think. >> what rfk jr demonstrated. >> today. >> which he has. demonstrated over and over and over again, is that he has very strong. opinions about a lot. >> of things. >> he knows very little about.

that doesn't. >> stop him. >> from announcing opinions as fact. it doesn't stop him from making recommendations that are widely disputed by scientific evidence. and that makes him very, very dangerous in the position as the major health minister. of the united states. >> yeah, yeah, he didn't seem to actually understand the job. there were points. >> at which it wasn't. >> clear that he understood. >> actually what his job would be. >> but let me. >> just go through a few of the. >> senators questions. >> and get your response. here's senator bernie sanders of vermont questioning him as to whether he believes. >> health care is a human right. >> do you agree with me that the united states should. join every other major country on earth. >> and guarantee health. >> care to all people as a. human right? >> yes. >> no. >> senator. >> i would. >> say. >> senator, i can't give you a yes or no answer to that question. health care, human rights. >> is health care a human right.

>> in the way that free speech is a human right? yeah, i would say it's different. >> in other words, no, he also was not able to. >> respond fully to. >> senator sanders. >> grilling him about. >> the organization that. >> he created. >> called children's health defense. he created the. >> organization, a. >> nonprofit that launched lawsuits against the federal government. >> over vaccines. >> and which sells these onesies. they're going to put them up on the screen that tout. >> babies bragging in their baby onesies about not being vaccinated. >> what do you make of the fact that we would have a health and human services secretary who does not believe. >> that health care is a human right, but seems to. >> still believe. in at. least some. >> anti-vaccine ideas. >> well, first of all, again, rfk jr has made his fame and. >> his. >> fortune on being a vaccine denier, a vaccine opponent, saying clearly, not once, not

twice, but over and over and over again. there is no safe and effective vaccine. i am appalled by a number of the people nominated by president trump that they come before the committee. they immediately contradict. statements or accusations or experiences. >> that. they have. >> on the record. but bobby kennedy clearly does not believe there. >> is a safe and. >> effective vaccine. and he still is, although he has withdrawn his name from this organization. the organization is suing vaccine makers. he still is making referral fees from those lawsuits, so he has not gotten. >> very far. >> away from the original point of view. i think he's not being very honest with the committee when he says. >> you know. >> i yes, i vaccinated my children that so his children can go to school. that doesn't

stop him from going to state and local governments who make vaccine decisions about schools and daycares, that they should question the vaccines, that they should take a look at it. the data in the united states is not good. we have a growing group of adults who are questioning vaccines for their children and withholding vaccines from their children. if we get to a much lower. >> number than we. >> are right now, it really. >> runs the. >> risk of lots of kids, lots of unvaccinated people being subjected to diseases that have long been abolished in the united states. that makes everybody a whole lot less safe. so this is not just about individual parents making individual choices. it's about us as a society looking at potential new cases of polio, potential cases of whooping cough disease, measles outbreaks that. >> we haven't seen. >> in a very long time, largely due to, i think, misinformation,

disinformation promoted by his organization since 2016. >> right. >> and because he is famous because he comes from a very famous family, his father. obviously being rfk senior and him being his, you know, father having been the brother of the late president, he carries a lot of weight. i mean, that came up in the conversations about. >> samoa. >> where it is believed that his. >> fame and his influence. >> influenced people not. to take measles vaccines and people died. he does not want to take responsibility. >> for that. but you mentioned him profiting. senator elizabeth warren brought this up. >> the idea that this advocacy has done. >> has not been something he's subjected. >> his own children. >> to, but he has made a. lot of money. senator warren tried. >> to. >> get to that. take a listen. >> i want to know if you will commit right now that not only will you not go to work for drug companies, you won't go to work suing the drug companies and taking your rake out of that while you're a secretary. and for four years after, it's.

>> just i'll commit to not taking any fees from drug companies while i'm secretary. i, i. >> i'm asking about fees from suing drug companies. will you agree not to do that? >> you're asking me to not sue drug companies? >> no. i'm asking you to commit right now that you will not take a financial stake in every one of those lawsuits, so that what you do as secretary will also benefit you financially down the line. >> i will comply with all the ethical guidelines. >> that's not the question. >> and the point being that his influence as hhs secretary could. >> be phenomenal. >> in terms of. >> weighing in on decisions regarding. >> things like mifepristone. >> which is something that's already been. >> subject to lawsuits, whether or. not new covid. >> vaccines could come out. >> i mean. >> there's a lot of opportunities. >> and this is somebody who, as senator warnock pointed out in his questioning, has compared. >> the centers for disease. >> control to the nazi death camps and to. >> you know, the. >> the. >> attacks of sexual attacks on children. like. he's he's

literally he's very known. >> for. >> his positions. and now he would be in a. >> position to take. >> positions as hhs secretary that could financially benefit him. >> well, not only the financial benefit. and clearly he won't answer, senator warren. he will continue to accept contingency fees. he's already been paid according to the public statements that i read, over $800,000 for referral fees, he said. i won't personally try the cases. well, clearly that would be illegal as secretary, but he will continue to take the fees associated with those cases. but he couldn't answer basic questions about what is medicare? what is medicaid? he clearly doesn't know what the affordable care act is because he said, people don't like it because they like private insurance. the affordable care act is entirely private insurance. it's people buying private insurance plans on the open market. so i'm also very concerned that he does not really understand the agency that he's been nominated to run.

he talks about going after food supplements and issues around food, all of which i think is admirable and some of which i certainly agree with. most of that policy is in the ag department, not in health and human services. so maybe he's been nominated for the wrong cabinet post. i'm not quite sure, but he doesn't understand this cabinet post very well, and the positions that he has are terrifying. >> that i think was. >> very clear. >> he seemed to be a bit of a fish out of water. former secretary hhs secretary kathleen. >> sebelius, thank you so much. >> and up next, a deeper dive into. >> the project. 2025 backed ideologues who are actually the ones running the government and the purposeful confusion over donald trump's federal funding freeze. don't go anywhere. >> my eyes. >> they're dry. >> uncomfortable looking for extra hydration. now there's blink neutral tears. >> it works.

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him like. >> a son. >> i bet everything on him being locked away forever. >> the trump. >> administration has been unleashing a veritable blizzard of directives. in the. >> form. >> of executive orders. many of them have been. almost intentionally. confusing and. potentially illegal. >> though it's unclear if. >> the leonard. >> leo sits on the supreme court would agree. >> last night, trump. >> issued another legally. >> dubious directive when he sent a letter. >> to. >> all federal employees offering a buyout. >> in the form of an upfront. >> payment through september. >> if they agree to resign. >> from their jobs by the. >> end of next week. >> the email. included a draft resignation. >> letter for them. >> to review. if they choose. >> to. >> stay. >> they. would have to. bend the. knee with no job security.

well, here's. >> the thing with all these directives. >> it's not clear. >> that they're legal. >> explain to me how trump and musk plan to. >> execute this buyout. last time i checked. >> the president can't. >> just cut. >> checks to individuals. that money has to be appropriated by congress. >> and no, don't mention the. >> stymies because they worked the same way. >> trump just put. >> his signature on them to take the credit. >> also, can. >> trump and his fellow billionaire buddy elon musk. >> who. >> does not work for the government, fire federal employees. >> who have legal protections? well, we're about to find out. since the union representing. federal employees is suing. >> joining me. >> now is neera tanden, who served as. >> director of president biden's domestic policy council. it is so good to see you. >> great to be back. >> so answer. >> my question for me because i did not or was not aware that elon. musk could fire federal employees. >> i think. >> all of. >> this is. >> really legally dubious. >> and i would say to. >> federal employees. >> that if you really think that. >> donald trump is. >> good for a payment out to you, you should just look at the people who he's who he's

basically. >> kind of the state of new york. e jean carroll, most of his contractors. >> all the contractors who built his buildings. >> hundreds of businesses. >> hundreds of businesses. he never. >> pays years. >> and i mean, it is the case that congress. >> has to appropriate funds. there is no there's no. >> appropriation right now. >> for these. >> kinds of payouts. >> they don't have the flexibility. >> to do these things. >> so i think this. >> is the. >> product of people. >> who don't know how the government runs. they think maybe it's elon musk. >> who thinks this is just another form of twitter. but actually. >> when the government. >> doesn't have the people it needs to deliver services, when. we don't have people who know what to. >> do with the drug. >> shortage or what to do with the hurricane, you know, people's lives are at stake. and i think. >> that. >> is really part and parcel of the response you've seen over the last two days on there or on this omb memo, because what. all these. people playing government are, are forgetting is that people's. lives are at stake. veterans, people on.

>> medicare, people. >> seniors who need. >> meals on wheels. these are all people who rely on a government functioning. >> yeah. let's play a. >> couple of the governors. these are three governors who have responded to the freeze. >> donald trump's reckless action cut off funding to law enforcement, farmers, school child care, veterans and health care. while he was out golfing, he threw the country into crisis. >> i can. >> tell you. >> that when. >> federal funds that are. >> meant to serve the most. >> vulnerable oregonians. >> are suspended. >> or unavailable. >> that has. >> impact on oregonians, and it's a dereliction of the federal government's duty. >> to protect americans. >> donald trump's administration. >> is lying to you. the white house's attempt to walk back what they did today does not match what we saw on the ground. >> two points on this. >> the governors actually know that when their spokesperson says, no, this isn't affecting individual payments, they're like, yeah. >> it is. >> we're in the states. we're experiencing. the medicaid site went down. that doesn't feel coincidental. and i. >> think. >> for the trump people, they're

very red pilled. so they think, well, everybody hates welfare. and welfare is a bunch of black people. it's only going to hurt blacks so. >> we can do it. >> 63% of those who get snap benefits, what used to be called food stamps are white, 63% white, non-hispanic, 40% black, 27% native born 89%. it's not undocumented people, it's native born people. and so when they did this, it set off a flurry of panic and you could just see it online. people were posting tiktoks of themselves hyperventilating, worrying they weren't going to get their benefits. then they rescinded. >> it. >> seemingly under. >> public pressure. then caroline. >> leavitt, who is their spokesperson. tweeted out that the omb directive is gone. but the freeze still remains. it's confusing, but apparently now there's been what is going on because it felt like they rescinded it to stop the lawsuits by these states. >> but that. >> didn't that. >> didn't work because the judge actually looked. >> at her tweet. one of the judges looked at her tweet and then implemented a temporary restraining order based on her tweet. so, i mean, it's not clear to me that this has been

like a grand master chess strategy, but i think that the truth is that actually, this omb memo is. >> a. >> dry run, because essentially they're. these are programs, you know, this whole discussion about these programs don't go to individuals. >> if the. >> federal government does not pay the meals on wheels provider, that cuts off meals to seniors who need meals on wheels. now, i don't think this is a very complicated concept, but apparently it's a slightly complicated concept for the white house. but having said that, the truth is these are these are cuts to programs across the government. and i think it just is a demonstration of how much opposition there is, because we did see in the last 24 hours, this is the first time they've actually even. >> had to backtrack. >> at all. >> but what i mean, other than matt. >> gaetz. >> other than matt gaetz. yeah. but i think what's really important to remember. >> is that. >> the big fight is in front of us because what they, with their reconciliation plan, with their budget plan, what they want to do is slash all.

>> these. >> programs, particularly medicaid. that's right. slash medicaid in order to give elon musk and all those guys sitting with. >> the president last week. >> giant tax cuts at the expense of people's health care. and as it's really important to remember, the people who rely on medicaid, southern states over rely on medicaid versus red states, over rely on medicaid expansion versus blue states. the aca premium tax credits go disproportionately to rural communities. and so, you know, i think the big question is what's going to happen with that debate? yeah, obviously, this is a critical question, but i actually take a lot of heart that people have been calling members of congress because they know that harm is on the table to people, police officers, veterans, health care, hospitals. when you slash the medicaid program, you're destroying the health care infrastructure in rural america, more than urban. >> more than urban. and by the way, i will note that the. poorest states and the states.

>> that actually receive. >> more money from the federal government than they give are tend to be red states, louisiana, mississippi, arkansas, tennessee. that's why they're republicans in those states are like, whoa, this is going. >> to hurt. >> us. in those states, the federal government is paying 80, 90% of medicaid. >> yes. and by. >> the way, this is very unpopular, this part of it. i just. >> want to show the difference here. a lot. >> of what trump has done is very unpopular. >> renaming the gulf. >> of mexico, 70%. >> oppose that. you know. >> pardoning january 6th protest insurrectionists, 62% oppose that new tariffs, 60% oppose it, ending birthright citizenship, 60% nearly oppose it. new tariffs that people are opposed 55% closing day offices, 51% oppose ending supporting women and minorities 59%. but this stuff about getting rid of the federal government is more 50 over 50. and i think it's because people don't necessarily know what people in the federal government do. but once it kicks in, it feels like this will go south the other way. so i think they are doing entertainment's. the usda inspector general. >> was escorted. >> out of the building today for not doing the purge, like

they're doing a lot of theatrically cruel things to individuals to frighten federal employees, maybe into leaving because they. >> also can't. >> fire. 50,000 federal. >> employees like he promised. >> i think there's a lot of intimidation going on, and you are seeing amongst certain people, certain groups that they're sort of, you know, obeying in advance. and i think what's really important is to remember that donald trump today is not some super popular figure. there's a poll that came out today that said he has more opposition than he has support. he wants to claim a gigantic mandate that he's some reaganesque figure. but his policies, these policies have cut no one expected that we would lose tens of millions of people's health care and voting for trump. he never made that clear. and he is doing what i think is a giant bait and switch on these issues. where he is has a lot of dramatics around things like greenland, while he basically on a golf course with members of congress, plot to take away health care from trillions of people from red

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>> if you or a loved one. >> were denied a job, race. promotion or professional opportunity as a result of diversity. >> quotas, equity. >> mandates, affirmative action, or other racial preferences, we want to hear from you. >> wow. >> joining me now is. voting rights activist and two time democratic nominee for georgia governor, stacey abrams. good to see you, stacey. >> i feel like so when i wrote my. >> my trump book, the man who sold america. i interviewed dozens of people. the most. consistent story i would hear is that trump essentially is very influenced by whoever the last person is to talk to him and stephen miller in the last administration, and this one was very much in his ear. and you just heard. >> his obsession, his obsession. >> with racial minorities in his mind, taking things away from white men. and i feels like donald trump right now is being led and the white house is really being led by people like. him and by the people who wrote project 2025 because they're obsessed with these issues of what they. >> see as sort of racial theft. >> from white men. do you read

their. >> egos that way? >> i read it. >> more broadly. >> because we have. >> to recognize. that while. >> donald trump may. >> be the. >> avatar, he's not. >> an. >> outlier as long. >> as the. >> rest of the republican. >> party suborn. >> what is. >> happening, whether it's. stephen miller at the podium or. >> a u.s. >> senator. they are all agreeing. >> to the premise. >> of. >> project 2025. which is. they want. >> to hoard opportunity and legalize discrimination. we have spent 248. years as a nation undoing our original sins, which include slavery, silencing women. >> denying native americans. >> their citizenship. >> a whole host of challenges. >> but what we've done since then, we've. >> passed the 13th, 14th and 15th. >> amendments. >> which, by the way, you. >> can't rescind with an. >> executive order. >> we passed the. 19th amendment, but we also passed title one. >> which focuses. on poor children. having access to education. >> so if you are. >> a vice president who

graduated. from high school. >> in the appalachian. >> mountains. >> and you went to. >> a title. >> one funded school, you. >> are a d-i graduate. >> we know. that across. >> this country. service disabled. >> veterans who have access. >> to resources. >> do so. >> because of. >> the americans. >> with disabilities act. a d-i law. >> so let's be clear. they may. >> try to make. >> this a racial issue, but. >> they're coming for everyone. >> that they don't. >> believe is worthy. >> of. they're very narrow minded ideal of what. >> it means. >> to be an american. >> dei is. foundational values. >> diversity. meaning all people. equity meaning. fair access to opportunity and inclusion. having a. >> pathway to the american dream. >> they are trying to block it and they're hoping we don't notice. >> right. i mean. >> russell russell, who is. the past omb director, office of management and budget. >> is going to be. >> confirmed soon. i'm sure republicans. >> will again has admitted he's a christian nationalist, right. and that. they and the. >> project 22 five is infused with. >> these like obsessive tax. >> about things like. >> gender.

>> ideology and race. i mean, to the point now, april ryan has a piece in black press usa today where, you know, walter kimbrough and other african-americans are saying, wait a minute, they're. >> threatening to. >> defund hbcus because they teach about black history. how can you be an hbcu if you don't teach about black history? they seem, as you said, it's not just trump, but i feel like it's the people around trump that are feeding this to him, because i'm not sure he's sitting. around reading about critical race theory himself. >> he may not. necessarily have the language that. >> stephen miller. >> and ed bloom and christopher rufo are willing to. feed him, but this. >> is the same man that bought. >> him billboards saying that the. >> central park. >> five should be put to death. >> this is. not new behavior. this is also the man who began. >> or at. >> least. >> fomented very aggressively. the trope about. >> barack obama. so let's be clear. >> but this. >> is not a bug. >> this is a. >> feature because those. who may not necessarily. >> agree with. christian nationalism. and may revile.

>> the notion. >> of racial. >> discrimination, seem very. comfortable with the possibility that. >> they. >> don't have to compete anymore. if these communities and. >> if these groups. >> can't protest discrimination. >> because that's. >> what they're saying. >> republicans right now are helping make it safe to. >> discriminate. >> again, that is why the. >> voting rights act was eviscerated. >> that is why the dobbs decision. >> which disproportionately. >> harms women's ability. >> to enter. >> the workforce. >> to get. an education and to participate. >> in elections because. >> they do not have a. >> voice in bodily autonomy. >> the reason they are attacking environmental justice, communities. >> that are. >> economically disadvantaged. are seeking equity. so when they. >> say they're only. >> going after a. >> narrow group, what they're telling us is that they. >> are afraid to have to. >> compete at the job site, at the. at the election. >> booth and in education. >> and as long as republicans. >> are silent. >> as long as they don't stand up and. >> say, we believe. >> in civil liberties and. >> civil rights, then they.

>> are just. >> as much at fault as because e if we pin it. >> on him, we excuse everyone. else who lets him get. >> away with it. >> that's right. and i think that is my bigger point, is. >> that people see donald trump. and as you said, he's the avatar. but this is a collective project. this is a group project. so. >> how do we push back? absolutely. so first and. >> foremost. >> i would love for people to. >> go. >> to a pr network.org/join. >> it's an organization. it's actually a consortium. >> of. >> organizations i founded in 2023. >> to begin to remind folks. >> of what. >> dei is. >> we have this wonderful timeline. >> that explains just how expansive diversity. >> equity. >> and inclusion are. and we. >> saw people suddenly. >> starting to realize it. >> when folks. >> started losing their jobs, they didn't realize. they were. >> dei hires either. >> but because of a disability. >> service, disabled veterans are covered. >> by dei laws. women are covered by dei laws. >> when you. >> can fire.

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adding individuals would be mandatorily locked up. potentially for years, because at some point in their lives, perhaps decades ago, they were accused of nonviolent offenses like shoplifting. >> trump's signature. >> on. that bill. comes as we've seen an. increase in ice. >> arrests. >> with agents now racing to meet their new arrest quotas. it's worth noting that while arrests are increasing. deportation flights remain at typical pre-trump levels, something the governments of mexico and guatemala noted this week. what we're seeing with this increase in arrests, but not deportations, is an equation that creates conditions for the government to say they need detention camps to hold all the people that trump's ice agents are arresting. with aurora, colorado's buckley space force space, space air force base now being converted to detain immigrants, and trump directing the. pentagon to open. >> a detention. >> center at guantanamo bay to hold up to 30,000 migrants.

that's right. guantanamo bay, aka gitmo, the military base that operates outside the reach of standard u.s. laws. the symbol of torture, indefinite detention and injustice. a shameful reminder of our. >> war on terror. >> now terrorizing people who dared. >> to seek. >> a better life in america. this is where we're putting people rounded up in protected spaces like hospitals. and churches, in elementary schools and workplaces, all while more than 1500 violent felons who participated in january 6th walk free with brand new trump pardons. joining me now is chicago mayor brandon johnson. mayor johnson, i want to just let you respond to the idea that people who are arrested working in the kitchen at some chicago restaurant or dragged out of. >> a. >> school, god. >> forbid. >> or from in front of a school or, you know, working as roofers or agricultural workers in, in your state could be, could wind

up, maybe even with their families at gitmo. >> yeah. >> unfortunately. >> joe joy. >> this administration has. >> made. >> it very clear that they are not going to adhere. >> to the constitution of the. >> united states. >> of america. >> there are clear positions that we have to be absolutely emphatic about. >> you either support the. >> constitution of the united states of america. >> or you. >> are opposed to it. it is. >> very obvious. that this administration. >> believes that. >> it is a supreme. >> being, and does not have to adhere to the rule of law in the city of chicago. >> we've made it very. clear that. >> we're. >> going to stand up to. >> tyranny. >> whether that. >> is domestic. >> or abroad. >> the city of chicago. >> has. >> a long. >> history of fighting and protecting the interests, fighting for and protecting the interests. >> of working people. >> we are protected by an ordinance, a sanctuary city ordinance, and a law that was passed 40 years ago, over 40 years ago by the first. >> black mayor in the. >> city of chicago. >> mayor harold washington. >> and we are living out that

legacy. >> the city. >> of chicago. >> is a city. that has been founded. >> and established. >> by a black haitian immigrant and a potawatomi. >> woman and immigrants from. >> around the world. >> whether they were jewish immigrants, italian, chinese, or descendants of. >> slaves like my family. >> part of the. >> second migration. >> to. >> find refuge in the city of chicago. and we will. maintain that posture regardless of who is in. >> the white house. >> and i will note that after the civil war, you know, states in the former confederacy used vagrancy laws and other laws against things like stealing. >> chickens to. >> incarcerate black people in order to lease them out as convict slave labor. so there's a history here that's being repeated. the republican senators who were asked about this bill, although many claim they were caught by surprise by this order. here's some of their reactions. >> well good idea. i mean, listen, the democrats have kept saying they're not going to give us any money to build any detention space here in the united states. so and gitmo is

part of gitmo. we control as part of our it's within our jurisdiction. >> i'm a big believer in saving taxpayer money. if the facilities. >> at guantanamo. >> bay are available, i don't see why we shouldn't use it. >> saving taxpayer money. you say the trump administration may pull money from tsa and the coast guard to help icu afford these costly deportations, which are costing $850,000 per military train trip. and i also want to point out that the new york times has reported about this facility. i read a piece about get the guantanamo facility. for decades, migrants intercepted at sea as they tried to reach the united states have been sent to the facility at guantanamo bay. reports and interviews shed new light on the holding center, where migrants calls with lawyers are monitored. some say they've been forced to wear blackout goggles. just some 37 migrants have been held there at any one time between 2020 and 2023, but their own. the department of homeland security, which operates at, visited the facility in march of 2023 and recommended that the department stop holding children

there and bring families to the united states for processing instead. it's not a facility that anyone would want to be in. your thoughts on republicans who say this is a good idea, and the democrats who voted for the lake and riley act making it possible? >> well. >> look. >> this is. horrific joy, to be perfectly. >> frank with you. >> here's a site where it's been reported and it's been well. documented that people. >> have not only been tortured. >> but people. have died here. all of the. controversy around this particular. >> site is. >> well documented. but here's. >> what the, the. attempt of this administration. >> has led to. >> he has. worked to sow seeds. >> of fear. >> all over this country. >> we're not accepting that in the. >> city of chicago. and we are challenging. >> the people. >> of this country. >> to resist this administration. >> it's very clear. that they. >> have not only not accepted the results of the civil. >> war. >> they want a. >> rematch and a replay. >> if there. >> was ever any. >> doubt of what our country. would look like. if the.

confederacy would have won. >> we are literally living. >> that out. >> and as i said before, not only is he trying. >> to. >> you know, invoke fear. >> and intimidation across this country. he wants. >> us to stand idly by and be silent. and we're not going to do that in the city. >> of chicago. >> this is the. >> same party that was willing. >> and. >> prepared to take away. >> food. >> housing and education. >> for families. >> that is not the sensibility of our democracy, and we have to. >> make it very clear. >> you either support this constitution and equal protection under. >> the law, or you do not. >> in the. >> city of chicago. >> we're leading the way to. >> ensure that. >> everyone is protected, and we're going to continue to do that. >> in this city. >> some have called it a neo-confederate movement, as you did just a moment ago. mayor brandon johnson, thank you very much. and up next, what does it say about the trump administration that one of pete hegseth. s first actions at the pentagon was to strip mark milley, general mark milley of his security detail. we'll be right back. >> my eyes. they're dry,

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milley's actions while he was chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, so that they can find a pretext to demote him and strip him of one of his stars. back in november, the wall street journal reported that trump had a larger plan to purge generals who did not support his ideology. in milly's case, the purported offense was not supporting trump's demand to crack skulls and shoot and beat the f out of protesters marching against police brutality during the george floyd demonstrations back in 2020. milley joins former secretary of state mike pompeo, john bolton, trump's former national security adviser, and others who have had their security details stripped and pulling. general milley security detail. hegseth is directly endangering milley's life. milley has protection because trump ordered the assassination of an iranian general. iran vowed to retaliate and tried to assassinate bolton, who was also involved in the directive. back in 2021. great. that's tonight's reidout. all in. starts now.