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set the stage. >> for wednesday's horrific crash? >> plus, the trump administration takes its war on dui to a new level. as the largest agency in the u.s. government suspends nearly a dozen observances. celebrating minorities. >> women. >> lgbtq americans, people with disabilities and holocaust survivors. is this new directive just the tip of the iceberg? and our tulsi gabbard's chances of becoming dni d.o.j. in the senate, the nominee's refusal to back down from controversial positions on edward. >> snowden and. >> u.s. surveillance. >> raising concerns for some republicans. >> but does that mean they'll actually vote no? a lot to get to on a friday. but we start in washington, where investigators have critical new clues as they try to nail. down what led to the collision of a passenger jet. >> and a military. >> helicopter over the potomac river, killing. all 67 people on board. 41 bodies have now. >> been recovered. >> with divers. in their second full. >> day of recovery mode.

>> and last night divers also found the black boxes. >> the. >> cockpit voice recorder and flight data. recorder from. >> that american. >> eagle flight and sent them to an ntsb lab. a source close to the investigation tells nbc news they are confident they can find the helicopter's. black box as well. although they haven't found it yet. at the same time, we have dramatic new footage. this was first aired on cnn. it shows the aircraft on a collision. >> course and then the moment. >> of impact. you see. the giant fireball. and then the wreckage. >> falling into. >> the river. >> the crash. >> caught by multiple. >> cameras at different angles. the faa today announcing that they've put. >> new restrictions. >> on helicopter. >> flights in the. >> d.c. area. nbc news has also learned that on the night of the crash, an air traffic controller was allowed to leave their shift early. that left one controller to handle both plane and helicopter traffic in the area, a situation described as allowable but not optimal. >> i want. >> to bring in nbc's aaron

gilchrist, who's been following. >> this. >> story from the beginning. greg feith was with the ntsb as a senior crash investigator with me here in studio. tim taylor, ceo of tiburon subsea, a company that specializes in underwater research. >> inspection and surveillance. >> he is also an ocean logistics and technology expert. it's good to have all of you here. aaron, what exactly is happening at the scene today and what's the latest we know? >> well, let me tell you first, chris, that we've just learned that the ntsb does plan to hold another media briefing this afternoon at 4 p.m. eastern. that will be the second time they've given us an update on their activities here. i can tell you the scene behind us here is one that has been cloudy and rainy on the potomac river, just off the property of the reagan national airport here. but there are still recovery efforts underway today. crews suspended their work last night, but they were back out on the water this morning. again, the two goals here are to recover the remaining bodies that are in the water, in the aircraft that

crashed here, and then to start recovering pieces of the aircraft as well to aid in the fact finding mission that the ntsb is executing. we know that, as you noted, they've already recovered the black boxes from the airplane in the water here. the black box in the helicopter is still there. we understand that that is something the recovery teams believe they will be able to access. there's a conversation, according to sources, that's happening now about how best to access that particular black box because it is in a military aircraft. so the army and the makers of that helicopter are working with investigators here, trying to figure out the best way to make sure they can get that box intact. they will need it and the black boxes from the airplane to really get a full understanding of what transpired here on wednesday night, to fully understand what was happening on that helicopter, what was happening on the airplane, the conversations that were happening in each of those places in order to help paint a

better picture of what was going on in the air before this crash happened. it's also worth noting here that the faa, a little while ago, tells nbc news that it has restricted the airspace for helicopters, further restricted the airspace applying to helicopters other than emergency helicopters that are in the area, in the area, really just immediately around the airport. and they've also, as we understand it, we should note that there have been some canceled flights here at reagan national today as well. there were some 500 yesterday, about 100 canceled here today. and that's really, i think, chris, part of just sort of getting back to a normal flight schedule, the weather here likely not helping situation, that situation either. >> so greg. >> aaron was just talking about. >> the black boxes. >> what will. >> the plane's. >> black boxes. tell us? what can we learn from them and how. critical is it to. >> find the helicopter. >> black box. >> as well? >> well. >> currently with the regional jet, of course, the flight data recorder will give investigators a very good flight. path as far as what the aircraft was doing

at any point in time. >> and space. >> it's really. >> going to be the cockpit voice recorder. what was going. >> on between the two pilots. >> in the cockpit? what did they know? what did they see? >> what were they. >> looking for? based on information and conversations that were transpiring, not. only between them, but the air traffic controller. >> and then it'll be. >> also under to try and understand. >> whether or. >> not they were able to hear the conversation that was taking place. >> between. >> the controller and the black hawk crew. >> so. >> tim, there are still the. remains of. >> 26 victims yet. >> to be found. the helicopter black box is still out there. so that's. >> one thing that they're looking for, but. >> talked me through the. challenges of this. >> this search. >> i mean, obviously it's very cold. >> it's very. >> icy in the potomac. >> and then. also you. >> have. the situation. >> with currents. >> right, right. >> i mean, the elements. are are. >> what they are. it's probably the worst time of year. >> to. >> for this to happen. >> but they do have. shallow

water. >> all things considered. >> this. >> is not at depth. >> so they can control a lot of % >> bringing in. >> salvage gear to lift. >> the. equipment is. >> important to. >> help the search. >> because the search is. >> a priority right now, people have to be found and they have. >> to. >> have to be. returned to their families. >> and whether that disturbs. the investigation. >> some of the. data is. is secondary to. >> the actual. >> finding them. so let me. >> ask. >> you about that. >> because the ntsb, the head of the. >> ntsb, made that point yesterday. >> in saying. >> basically, we're not rushing this. >> we should not. >> rush to. >> a. >> conclusion in the first. >> at that point, 24. >> hours. a good bit of what you. do is. helping people find. >> out what happened. >> to their. >> loved ones. >> and i think there's a pretty. >> easy. >> argument to. >> be made. >> for. anyone who has followed these kinds of stories that, yes. >> while families. >> want to know what. >> happened. >> first and. >> foremost. >> they want. >> the return of. >> their family member. >> they want.

>> to be able to. >> have a funeral, to say goodbye. >> so talk about that and the push that. >> we saw from. >> the president, from some. >> other folks. >> to get an answer and fast. >> well, the. >> ntsb and faa in. >> my world. >> the coast guard, the. >> the investigation. >> takes months, if not years. okay. you need to. >> collect all the data. >> and they said it earlier. >> they're collecting facts. >> they're not making judgments. >> and it's irresponsible. >> in so many ways. to do that. >> for, for at least the. >> family members. >> at this stage. >> but, but to come out. with conclusions, this is. >> speculation. this public opinion. >> about. >> all this. >> people can. >> say that, you know, the helicopter was flying too high or whatever, but that's all. >> just preliminary. >> stuff. >> that's out in the ethos. >> and spinning around it. just don't. >> let the conspiracy. >> theories get you. >> this, this. >> facts here. they just have to be moved. >> into the realm. >> of grouping them together and. >> studying them. >> and it's. >> a process. and these. >> guys are. >> well on their way. >> to that process. >> but they also.

>> know that the families come first, the families, families, families. >> and that's that's where they have to be right now. >> so i want to bring in alan diehl, a former. >> ntsb investigator who knows. >> reagan national very well. and first of all. >> good to. >> see you. nbc news. >> can report. >> that the ntsb. >> is trying. >> to figure out if the helicopter. >> was flying. >> too high. it's just one part. >> as tim. >> was. >> just talking about. there's a lot of factors. the folks yesterday. >> at the press conference talked. about that there are multiple factors involved. in deciding. ultimately what. happened here. >> but can you talk about that. >> one thing? >> you know, this. >> airport, we. >> have actual footage. >> of a. plane on approach as they fly. >> over the water. >> where do. helicopters normally fly? and what about the. >> awareness between. >> plane and helicopter? >> well, first. >> of all, you probably. >> also are. >> aware the faa. >> has closed that route. >> and that. >> chapter four. >> route is what. >> it's designated, has a hard ceiling, as they say, of. 200ft above. the above the ground,

above sea level. it's been reported. >> and. >> not confirmed that the helicopter may have been higher. and that's why they're reading the black boxes. i understand this black hawk also. had a combined. >> cockpit voice and flight. >> data recorder. that will be the gold standard in establishing the height or elevation. i guess the secretary of defense said of the helicopter, was it above 200ft there? >> therefore operating improperly? >> and i know that you have worked. on black hawk. >> black hawk mishaps before. >> how significant is it that the. >> crew on the. >> chopper that night was. >> using night vision goggles? and. and tell. >> us about the particularities. >> of flying at night? >> well, of course. >> when i. >> went to work for the ntsb. >> i, we used to carry. >> beepers. >> and i noticed. that my beeper went off at night a lot. it's it was. >> seven times.

>> as dangerous to fly at night as during the daytime. but that's that's all. background nvgs. when i. >> went to work for. >> the air force, i had to use. >> nvgs to investigate. >> their crashes to understand. i'm an aviation psychologist. we wanted to understand what the pilots can see with. >> nvgs versus with. >> the naked eye, and nvgs are used. >> typically in tactical. >> environments which are quite dark. >> the enemy is. >> hiding from. >> you and these devices. >> are very. >> helpful in in that in that situation. >> now you've. >> got a person. >> that's. >> taking an annual. >> check ride. >> she has. >> to demonstrate competence. >> with nvgs. >> we don't know whether or not. >> the nvgs were actually. >> over their eyes. they do flip up. they're like. binoculars mounted on your flight helmet. so that's. >> what the. >> ntsb and the army. will want to understand. and of. >> course. >> the voice recorder on the helicopter will probably help with that, as well as. >> the forensic evidence.

>> of examining the helmets of the deceased. army aviators. so all of that's going to come into play. and, yes, nvgs do complicate the ability. >> to see. >> other targets at night, and particularly in. a situation where you have a lot of ground lights and a lot of aircraft up. you know, there's been speculation about whether or not they were really looking at the american airline, regional jet or some other airplane when they told the. controllers they had it in sight, one of the pilots. >> told the. controllers he had it in sight. >> so or she had it in sight. >> let me talk about the air traffic. >> control. >> then. greg, as. >> we talk about the multiple things that. >> are being. >> looked. >> at right now. >> because nbc news has learned there was just one person essentially doing the job of two. in fact, the washington. post has a memo. we have not seen it at nbc, but it says. >> two people were actually doing. >> the job for. in other. >> words, instead of splitting, this person takes care of the planes. >> another person.

>> takes care of the helicopters. one person was doing both, or two people were doing both. how unusual is that and how big of a factor could that play? >> well, there's. >> two parts to. >> that, chris. one, of course, is combining those positions. when you combine the. >> position. >> it's based on workload or supervisor determination, whether or not the workload is such that one person. can handle multiple frequencies and handle the duties and responsibilities. the bigger question here, though, is we know that it was a combined position. what, during the course of that combined position, did that controller become distracted? it's apparent that he wasn't looking at his his screen because as these two aircraft came on a converging flight path, he would have gotten a collision alert. and that's blossoms up. >> on the. >> on the radar screen. we saw this in lexington with again, where you had one controller. handling a rj that was taking off out of it was comair out of

lexington. he failed to follow the aircraft. it was as it was taxiing, the aircraft got on the wrong runway and took off. led to a 49 fatal accident. we've seen this as the ntsb before. >> they're going to. >> be looking at it and scrutinizing. was there some distraction? did the controller, while handling that particular position, talking to both aircraft and helicopter? did he become distracted doing something else that he. didn't do what he needed to do as far as collision alert? >> another part of this, obviously tim will be the wreckage when they start to try to. >> piece it together. now, this. >> is not deep sea, which is some of the work you have done, right? the potomac. >> is not. >> the pacific or atlantic ocean. having said that. >> how complex is it to get? and this we already know that, that the main part of the wreckage is broken into. three pieces, right? >> to remove it. >> in such. >> a way, first of all, just to. >> remove it. but remove. >> it in such a way that the integrity. of it that helps

people. understand what happened when the collision occurred. >> is preserved well. >> it's exponentially. >> harder to do anything when water is involved, whether it's 1000ft deep or. >> if it's. >> ten feet deep. >> saying that though. this is. >> confined water. >> it's not. >> out. >> in. >> the ocean. so you're not. you're not. >> going. >> to get as much waves. but you do have current. but they can come in with jack up. >> barges, barges. >> that come. >> in with. with pilings. >> that they stick into the. ground and. >> they jack the barge. >> up and it's stable. they can put a crane. on that. they can move these. major pieces up onto a barge and have them moved out to another location on dry land to study. >> that being said. all the. small record. >> is now in the mud. >> and all around, and they have to, like. any ntsb investigation, ntsb. >> excuse me investigation. >> they have to. >> they have to piece. >> all the small. >> parts together and find them. so what you'll be using there is. is robotics and sonar, even even the. local boat mounted sonar and multibeam systems to find. >> these and then divers to, to dive down and pick them up.

>> and the. >> sonar will let. >> you map it as well. >> so you'll now have a. exact geo referenced point. >> in time and. space that they can recreate. >> where they are, where. >> they found them, and. >> therefore help put that puzzle. >> back together when. >> when they're studying. >> what happened? >> ellen. >> we're out of time. but i have to ask. >> you this. >> because as we're showing. >> in. >> a. >> small box. >> at the lower part of. >> our screen, the white house press. >> briefing. >> caroline leavitt said she wanted. to assure the american. >> people that flying. >> is safe. anytime you have. >> a commercial. >> plane that's involved, it makes a lot. >> of people nervous. >> then they're. >> hearing. >> a lot of reports about concerns. >> that have been. >> raised over a period of years. are too many. >> flights going. >> in and out of reagan? >> as one. >> expert said to me yesterday, you have an awful lot of concrete in a very small. space. >> referring to the runways. so what would you say about that? because the natural human inclination. >> is. >> well, all this stuff i'm hearing, should i be worried?

>> who is that for? >> i'm sorry. greg. >> oh. >> no, they shouldn't be worried. >> we've got a very safe system. >> it's obvious. that even in the washington. >> dc area, i grew up in that area. i've flown that potomac area for most of my life. we've had, yes, near mid-air collision alerts. and of course, the. >> day before the accident. >> there was an ra or a resolution alert involving a similar type regional carrier. but the fact is they've been operating in that combined traffic, that mixed traffic area. >> for a very. >> long time. there are a lot of safeguards. >> are these. >> one offs? is there a systemic problem or an isolated event. >> that's. going to be the. job of the ntsb. >> to see. >> if, in fact. >> there were. >> precursors? >> and do changes. >> need. >> to be. >> made either to. >> the helicopter routes or to the way we bring in aircraft or depart aircraft out of reagan national airport? >> aaron gilchrist, alan dale, greg feith. >> tim taylor. thank you all so

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from the trump administration's mandate to stop dei efforts, according to a memo obtained by nbc news, the defense intelligence agency has ordered a pause of all activities and events that celebrate. things like. martin luther. >> king. >> jr day. >> and black history month. >> pride, women's. >> equality day. holocaust remembrance. and more. >> and we've heard similar. reports from other agencies. in fact, our own kelly o'donnell just asked press secretary caroline leavitt. about this. >> our colleagues have obtained a memo from the defense intelligence agency that talks about not holding any activities. >> or programing. >> related to black history month. to be. >> in line with the president's views. >> on diversity. >> equity and inclusion. does the president plan to have a. proclamation about black. history month in his first term, each of the four years of his term, he did so and called on those in government to have programing activities and celebrations. is he going to do

that. >> this year? yeah. the president looks forward to signing a proclamation celebrating black. history month. i actually spoke. >> with our. >> great staff secretary. >> it's in the works of being approved, and it's going to be ready for the president's signature. >> to. >> signify the beginning of. >> that tomorrow. >> if an agency is calling off those. >> kinds of. >> activities in an attempt to be in alignment with the president's views on dei and other things, should they adjust. >> that now. >> and have those programs and make those celebrations however they see fit in the office? >> the president. >> is leading here at the white house, and i'll leave it to the proclamation that he. >> will sign very soon. mary, great to see you. >> thanks for having us. >> so the president today also posted on truth social suggesting dei programs are, quote, one reason why our country was. >> going to hell. >> nbc's ken dilanian. >> is following. >> this for us. ken. >> what more. >> can you tell us. >> about that memo? >> hey, good afternoon chris. nbc news has obtained a memo from the defense intelligence agency to its workforce saying that in keeping with the trump

administration's ban on dei activities, it is halting observance of any number of special emphasis holidays and other kinds of events, including martin luther king day, black history month, juneteenth, women's empowerment day and many other special days designed to highlight the contributions of minority groups. now, obviously, mlk day is a federal holiday and that still stands. but what the agency is saying is that they will no longer observe these events and do anything special within the workforce. and they are also disbanding so-called affinity groups. and, chris, we believe this is happening across the government. i'm here at d.o.j, and i know that the affinity groups here are devoted to women in the justice department and african americans or hispanics. they've all been disbanded and are not allowed to use government resources to meet or or observe anything here. and so again, this is pursuant to

the trump administration's directive to the entire government to do away with anything smacking of diversity initiatives. obviously, this is a really controversial move. i'm getting a lot of private messages from people inside the justice department and other places who are very concerned about this. but the trump administration, moving forward with these initiatives, chris. >> thank you for that. and joining us now is eddie glaude, the james s mcdonnell distinguished university professor. >> at princeton. >> as well as an msnbc contributor. peter baker is chief white house. >> correspondent for the new york. >> times and an msnbc political analyst. it's good to have both of you here. all of this is. >> happening, of course, at a. >> as donald trump. tied the deadly crash over. >> the potomac to. dei initiatives, implying. >> that people hired. >> as a result of those programs may not be intelligent enough. to handle complex jobs. let's listen. >> are you saying this crash was somehow caused and the result of diversity hiring? and what

evidence have. >> you seen to support. >> these claims? it just could have been we have a high standard. we've had a higher, much higher standard than anybody else. and there are things where you have to go by brainpower. >> i'm trying to figure out. >> how you can come to the conclusion. >> right now. >> that diversity had something to do with this crash. >> because i have common sense. okay. >> i was thinking at a about maya angelou. >> when someone. >> tells you, shows you who they are. >> believe them. >> donald trump was not shy. >> about saying when he ran. >> for. president what. >> his beliefs were. what are you seeing in the actions that he's. >> taken? >> whether it's the comments yesterday or seeing. >> places like. >> the defense department. which is the largest agency in the federal government making the decision. >> that they've made. >> you know, chris. >> i. >> think it's important. >> for. >> us to take donald trump at his word. it is no. >> there is no evidence to suggest. >> that diversity had anything to do with the. >> loss of 67 people.

>> and what you see is, in no uncertain terms, is the way in which dei is being used for white christian nationalist agenda. there is. this has nothing to do with merit. this has everything to do to my mind because yesterday. revealed it, because there's no evidence to kind of. >> correlate these two. >> these two considerations. he's not interested in merit. the assumption is that if you have women, if you have black people or brown people, if you have a diverse workforce, that by definition the standards have been compromised, that is a racist, a. >> sexist view. >> so what. >> does. >> it mean, chris, that people are taking. this seriously if we understand. >> it for. >> what it is, an item in a white christian nationalist agenda, and you see businesses and government following suit, what are we to conclude? so i think. >> yesterday was. >> quite revealing. and the policies and decisions that are being made now are revealing as

well as as as well. >> well, what are we to conclude? you look. >> at a split in the business community. >> and there are companies. >> that have said. >> we're. >> we're essentially going to do the same. >> and then you have companies that have stood up. >> and said. >> and they've even voted. >> on it and said. >> no, we're not changing. >> our policies. in fact, we believe that these policies have. >> been an advantage. to our company. >> have been. even valuable. in the in the in the monetary sense to our company. right? >> i mean, how many mckinsey reports do we have to cite about the value and power of a diverse workforce, of a diverse leadership team? so we know that's the truth. we know that to be the case. so the what we are seeing here is witness are witnessing here is a capitulation to a white nationalist agenda. and i want us to stop dancing around this, chris, we need to understand what we're confronting. we need to understand what the tattoos mean on pete hegseth. we need to understand what this particular

decision is, is actually revealing. crt, die, woke. all of this is aimed at cultivating and stoking white grievance. and if we keep dancing around it, then and keep capitulating to it, we're going to find ourselves, shall. >> we. >> say, harkening back to the days where people like me supposedly knew our place and people like you, chris. >> peter, is. this likely. >> just the start of dismantling diversity initiatives of all kinds in all levels of government? >> well, yeah, i think that donald trump has made very clear that for him, dei is now up there with immigration as one of his central, you know, villains of his political narrative. right? it doesn't matter whether there's any actual facts involved. anything could be the result of dei. the wildfires in in california are the result of dei. anything can be blamed on dei, regardless of any actual, you know, factual connections.

he didn't bother to even try to make any factual connections yesterday. as he said when he answered questions. my colleague david sanger, he just feels like it in his gut. well, it tells us something about his gut, of course, that he would come out and do that. you know, i've covered presidents going back to 1996. plenty of them have had tragedies like this. and every time they've come out, republican or democrat, it didn't matter. they came out and they preached a message of unity, of grief for those who had lost their lives, of trying to find out what had happened without jumping to conclusions. and this is a president who does the exact opposite on these things. he jumps immediately to conclusions without the basis of any facts. he immediately goes after his political opponents, president obama and president biden by name, and blame them for a policy that he then read, which was actually a policy when he was president as well. so, you know, this is this is how he operates. he's made very clear this is how he's going to take the next four years. >> eddie. >> so many controversial things

we hear from. >> president trump. last only until the next. controversial statement. right. >> it's hard. >> democrats will. >> acknowledge this. it's hard to keep up. >> this whole issue of dei does. >> seem to have struck a nerve. it does address how we see ourselves as a nation. so when. >> we talk about bandwidth. >> for a. >> fight for people who believe this signals something much. >> larger than not having a moment of silence on a given. >> day, how do they find the wherewithal. >> to keep up the fight? >> well. >> i mean, we have to. >> be clear about our values. we have to be clear about who we take ourselves to be. what is the nature of the america that he's putting forward? what is what? what does it mean for a large number of our fellows that we have to endure this sort of view? right. and what are its implications for the very way in which this country goes about its business? i mean, we are barreling towards the 250th anniversary of the nation, and here we are grappling with the contradiction that has haunted this place since its founding.

we have a president who believes that this country must be a white nation in the vein of old europe. he talks about immigration, chris, but we know birthright citizenship has nothing to do with the crisis at the border, quote, unquote. it has everything to do with great replacement theory. we have to start being honest with what's in front of us, because if we're not being honest, we're being complicit. and so we got to get clear about the values that animate the very country we claim to be. so, so committed to. >> eddie glaude, thank you so much. it is. always a pleasure to have you on the program. peter. if you could stand by, we have a little bit of breaking. >> news because we've been watching, as you see on the screen. >> the white house press briefing and. >> the press. >> secretary. >> caroline leavitt, just announced that. >> president trump is indeed. >> planning to enact tariffs tomorrow. >> here's what. >> she said. >> also. >> i was just with the. >> president in the oval. >> office, and i can confirm that tomorrow. >> the. >> february 1st deadline. >> that president. trump put. >> into. place at a statement several weeks ago. >> continues. >> the president.

>> will be. >> implementing tomorrow. a 25% tariffs on mexico, 25% tariffs on canada. >> and a 10%. tariff on. >> china for. the illegal. >> fentanyl that they have sourced and allowed. >> to distribute into. >> our country, which has. >> killed tens. >> of millions. >> of americans. >> these are promises made and promises kept by the president. >> the president. >> yesterday said that. >> let's bring in nbc's garrett haake, who is at the white house. >> give us. some more context on this and what it might all mean. >> well, chris. >> quick. >> quickly. >> a fact check. >> tens of millions of americans would be a. >> significant percentage. >> of the american population. >> even 10. >> million. americans would mean fentanyl had killed roughly 3%. >> of us. >> those numbers are exaggerated. >> but what you see here is. >> the white house. i think getting around to something that had been a core campaign promise of donald trump, albeit in different forms, to use tariffs, both, in his view, to boost the domestic economy. >> and to punish allies and adversaries alike for. >> different issues. you'll remember. >> during the transition. >> he. >> was going to impose. >> tariffs on canada and mexico over their immigration policies.

>> now, the reasoning the white house seems to have landed. on is on drugs coming across. >> the. >> border for canada, mexico and china, all. >> at different levels. >> 25% tariffs for products coming from mexico and. >> canada. >> 10% from china. >> it's also important to remember that the tariffs. don't do. >> what president trump says they do. >> he says that foreign countries. >> pay. >> the tariffs when in fact. >> it is. >> importers on the us side. >> of the border who pay. >> tariffs and pass. >> the costs. >> along to consumers. >> you and i. so exactly how this will all. be implemented and to what end i think are. still valid open questions. we've not seen. >> the text of the order. that caroline leavitt says the. >> president's going to sign. >> and with the. >> way that the president has used tariffs and tariff threats in the past. >> the. >> emphasis has been on. >> the threat, at least in recent history. he threatened tariffs against. >> colombia to get them to accept military. >> planes of migrants. >> who. >> are being deported. >> and as i mentioned earlier, he's already threatened tariffs against mexico and canada for their immigration policies. so

while this is the. latest from the. >> press secretary. >> i'm not at all convinced it's the. >> final word. >> even with this. self-imposed deadline. >> of tomorrow. >> well, we will find out. peter baker, and thank you for that, garrett. i mean. >> there's two parts. >> to this, right? part one is essentially. >> the president of the. >> united states. heading toward. >> a showdown with some of our biggest trading partners, number one. >> but then. >> also, if. >> it should. >> indeed happen. >> the implications. >> for the prices americans. >> pay on everyday items. >> and his promise as a. >> candidate that he was going. >> to lower prices. >> yes, absolutely. this. yeah, this is absolutely risking the priority that he says was at the top of his list when he got elected, and certainly what a lot of his staff believe he got elected on to lower prices. well, as garrett just said, he's going to raise prices on all of these imported goods coming in to the country from canada and china and mexico. these are our three largest trading partners. there's a lot of goods coming in. canada alone is a source of

$700 billion worth of annual trade with the united states. so on some level, you raised tariffs in part to encourage behavior by our foreign trading partners. but you also do it to maybe, perhaps stimulate domestic industries that will now have protection. but it wouldn't happen overnight. and that means that things that are created and produced in canada, in mexico, in china, that come into this country will now cost 25% more. and much of that, if not all of it, will be passed along to the consumer. >> and we should say that caroline leavitt was. >> just asked. >> to clarify exactly what she's saying. >> are they going. into effect tomorrow? and she said yes. >> starting tomorrow, they will. >> be in. >> place with all of the asterisks. >> that peter just laid out. >> peter baker, thank you. and up next. remembering the young figure skaters. >> and coaches killed in the. >> potomac air disaster. we'll speak with two former. >> olympians who. >> knew three of. >> the victims on. >> the victims on. >> board after this. auntie, you can't put that right in the dishwasher.

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>> valencia, a. >> loss expressed by figure skating legends dorothy hamill and scott hamilton. >> these youngsters were in their teens and. >> they're the future. they were the ones that. >> were supposed to be, you know, the next. >> national olympic champions. >> to think that. >> they're gone is it's. i can't. wrap my head around the last 36 hours. it's just been devastating. and the loss is just beyond description. and i just my heart is shattered. >> joining us now, olympic ice dancers melissa gregory and denis petukhov. they knew three of the. >> crash victims. >> the skating coaches. >> vadim naumov. >> evgenia shishkova and alexander kirsanov. first of all, i'm very. >> sorry for your loss and. >> i thank you for being. >> with us, melissa. >> you just heard what scott had. >> to say. >> he can't wrap his. >> head around this. >> how do you even begin to try?

i don't think that there's a way that we can. >> you know. >> wrap our head around it. you know, we all are shook by this. i know we are ourselves, too. we were also in wichita last week and flew home less than a week before. so for us, we keep thinking it could have been any of us on that flight. we were there with our children and with our skaters. and just to think about the tragedy that happened to those children and coaches and parents and just everybody involved is just it's chilling and it's scary. and i think we're deeply saddened. the whole community is going to feel this for a long time. >> and dennis, i know you knew vadim. >> and evgenia for. almost 30 years. >> i think you and alexander have been friends since you were teenagers. >> i don't want them to be. >> just a name. >> i want people to understand what.

>> is lost. so what can you tell us about the people you know. >> or knew? >> first of all. i wanted to tell everyone how good of a people they were. they were not only friends, they were. we started. >> as we were teens, doing. >> development camps together. >> and that's how we grew. our friendship is. >> grew together. >> through the sport of. >> figure skating. we have participated. >> in. >> numerous and. many international and national events as skaters, as coaches, and we have. >> we have. >> seen each other on a regular basis throughout the events. and as athletes, they were incredible. >> athletes, very. >> inspiring athletes. they are accomplished and absolutely amazing coaches. we were lucky

that we have shared with them ice rink. here in connecticut ice times, and we have helped them with some of their students, and they helped us in. numerous events. so we were not only friends and colleagues, we i think we were a little bit. more than that, given a. knowing each other. for almost. 30 years. i have to say that they were very special people and competitors because they were always positive. they were resilient almost. to anything and anyone. they were always a role model. so we always say with. >> melissa that they were not only. >> champions in skating, they were champions in life. >> and we feel. >> very strongly about that. it's i mean. once we heard the

news, it was just kind of beyond what we can describe. it's very difficult to put words into. >> how we. >> feel about this loss. and. obviously thinking a lot about the young skaters and parents that were on that plane. there were from 11 years old and. >> older. and. >> just looking the. feeds on social media and news. that is circulating is really a heartbreaking because. >> to. >> watch and just process those feelings that are very difficult. >> and melissa, i think dennis touches on something that anybody who's been around the skating world understands. there is a bond in skating. >> part of it is. >> being an elite. >> or an aspiring.

>> elite athlete. >> and you often spend more time with. >> the people. >> you're at the rink with. >> with your. >> coaches. >> than you do. >> with your own family. in some cases, once. >> you. >> reach a certain level. >> you're traveling. >> the world, or at least traveling the. >> country, taking. >> part in these competitions. >> and you're with people who understand what it is that you do. so when people around the skating community. say things like. >> we are a community, this is just not a sport. this is a family. talk about that, melissa. >> yeah, i mean. >> i can't even. >> really say that we're just a community. i think that we're a family. we have so many experiences and we have all the same goals in life. i mean, we're just around each other, as you said, so much, and we share so many experiences that it's just such a close bond and we have the same values, a lot of us. and it just it really brings us all close together. and even

though we are all competitive with each other and everybody wants to do the best, everybody has a respect for each other and everybody cares about each other deeply. and when something like this hits the community and the family of skating, i think not just here, but all over the world, we all feel it and we all are hurting from it. and it's going to take time to grieve. and we just, you know, the more that we can talk about these individuals and how special they were, i think the more it will help all of us to move on. but they're definitely going to be remembered forever. the new york times tennis profiled corey haynos. >> he's one of the young. skaters who, on the morning of the crash. >> had. >> landed his triple axel in front of the development camp. coaches who were. >> there. >> of course, to scout future champions. >> he died. >> along with his parents. but on. >> social media, he references. >> a bible verse. >> it says that people who believe.

>> in jesus will have eternal life. >> so he. >> was obviously a young. man of some. >> deep faith. >> and. >> and i think. >> when something. terrible happens, we all look for reasons. you want to find that there is some purpose to what happens, but. >> do you think you can. >> find any understanding how something so awful like this could happen, or some comfort somehow in knowing. >> the way they. >> live their lives? >> well, this is. >> a very difficult question because everybody's spiritual and faiths are. so different, and trying to find reasons and ask questions why and how that could be. i think it's all going through all of our minds. and at. >> this point, i don't. >> think anybody has clear answers of why and why.

>> did. >> that happen. so i, i don't know. i honestly don't know yet. i don't know, maybe melissa would have more thoughts on that, but i know that the moment that he landed this triple axel, i know that this is the example of how the community brings the pushes the limits of the sports and supports everyone to do better. >> and to. >> thrive and achieve excellence in what you do. and through that, i think everyone can find some kind of a spiritual peace in their mind. >> melissa, we're out of time, but i do want to give you a chance to. >> speak to that, because dennis makes such a point.

>> great point. >> that in the last moments of his life, which he obviously did not know were the last moments of his life, the joy and the accomplishment of what he did in that moment of landing a triple axel at a moment of intense pressure, is one way. >> for. >> him to be remembered, i think. what do you think? >> i think that he was working his entire life toward something, and that kind of an accomplishment. to land a triple axel is not a small feat. it's a huge accomplishment, and i think it speaks for how hard he works, how much discipline he has, and what kind of a individual he is, because he worked day and night in order to be able to land that triple axel and to do it, as you said, under pressure in front of an entire development camp. that's even more so. he was just an extraordinary individual and a bright, shining young star that was just unfortunately lost too soon, that never was allowed

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