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>> good morning. >> it is saturday, february 1st. i'm alicia menendez with symone sanders townsend and michael steele here in washington, d.c, breaking overnight. >> trump's retribution. >> tour begins as officials force out the heads of fbi field offices and prosecutors who. investigated january 6th rioters, also breaking a second federal judge, has temporarily blocked trump's federal aid freeze. marc elias explains what comes next and trump's first. round of tariffs set to go into effect today, hurting your bottom line in the process. illinois governor j.b. pritzker is here to respond. it is a big morning of big developing news. so grab your coffee. settle in. welcome to the weekend. >> breaking overnight, nbc news is reporting that trump officials have forced out all six of the fbi's most senior executives. >> multiple heads. >> of fbi field offices across the country, and about two dozen

prosecutors who investigated capitol rioters. a letter to those fired. prosecutors said their removal was based on their role in the january 6th prosecutions. in a separate memo to the fbi workforce sent out friday night, the bureau's acting director told employees that acting deputy attorney general emil bove has asked for a list of all fbi employees who worked on january 6th cases for, quote, a review process to determine whether any additional personnel actions are necessary. joining us now at the table is nbc news justice reporter and author of sedition hunters how january 6th broke the justice system. ryan. riley. >> so. >> ryan. >> it's been a busy week for this administration. i want to play for you. donald trump's response to the question about these doj, doj, and fbi firings. let's take a quick listen. >> they came after. >> a lot. >> of people like me, but they came after a lot of people. no,

i wasn't involved in it. i'll have to see what is exactly going on after this is finished. but if they fired some people over there, that's a good thing, because they were very bad. they were very corrupt people, very corrupt. and they hurt our country very badly with the weaponization. >> there is so much i personally want to unpack on that and. unload on that right now. but your guest, i'm going to give you the chance to do that. but the reality of it is trump said that, oh, i had no idea about these these firings. i didn't request any of these firings. can we just cut the crap? because the fbi is not going to fire anybody at that scale without the white house knowing about it. what are you hearing about this process, the scope and the. review of those people who are being let go and what are their options? >> yeah, i spoke with one of the january 6th prosecutors who was fired just yesterday, last night. and, you know, they were saying they stand by what they did. and i think that, you know, you got to remember here is he

likes to talk in these generalities, right. in terms of like, oh, they you know, they went after people. this was this was corrupt. and let's actually get into the details of these cases. these were cases against violent offenders who assaulted law enforcement officers on the steps of the u.s. capitol. there you go. right. like right outside. right. so it's not as though you can say like, oh, we're going after this specific person because we didn't like how they applied this particular misdemeanor. no, they're going after everyone. this was not like an individualized assessment of their conduct. this was just anybody who worked on january 6th cases who they could fire. they did. and that basically they focused on those people who were in these term positions. basically, there was an authorization for these term positions, which were supposed to be sort of two years. the expectation was that a lot of these people would continue on. so basically, what you're going to have monday is that people who were working on these january 6th cases and then had been moved to some other kind of crime, right? so, like violent crime in d.c. supposed to be a focus of the trump administration. that's what they were supposed to be doing. but, you know, they went through this training. they were supposed to show up monday and start prosecuting these violent crime cases, and that's it. >> can i just.

>> follow up on. >> because first of all, i just think this is this is the second time that on a friday evening. multiple officials from the justice department have been fired. and in the letter that they received about why they're being fired, it says explicitly. because of what you your cases you worked on on january 6th and that you do not align with the president's agenda, that that's why they're being fired. but these individuals were moved to be permanent employees before the end of the biden administration. so these folks are not even there's legal questions about if what is currently happening is legal for these individuals, right? >> yeah, they're still in their probationary period, which is why they were sort of targeted. so that like allows a little bit more flexibility to go after them. if they were if they had gotten out of the probationary period, this would be a whole different ballgame. but because of that probationary period, it gives i think there's a lot of questions about whether this is all, you know, authorized or not. you know, i think it's the it's the, you know, is this legal versus is this ethical sort of question. >> okay. i want to underline something. >> that. >> you said, though, because the fact that this is tied to january. >> 6th makes. >> it seem retrospective, when

in reality, to your point, these people have jobs and cases that they are working on now. >> in the. >> national security. that was echoed by the. >> fbi agents association statement. >> where they said dismissing potentially hundreds of agents would severely weaken the bureau's ability to protect the. country from. national security and criminal threats, and will ultimately risk setting up the bureau and its new leadership to fail. what does that mean? >> yeah, i mean, the brain drain at the fbi would be extraordinary. and i think to, like, set the set the bar here, there were people who worked basically on january 6th cases, but that's not a ton of people this touched, like basically every part of the fbi, across all of these field offices across the country. people were involved in this. maybe they just had a brief, you know, involvement in a case. maybe they just helped out with an arrest, but they're going to be on that list. that's going to have to be sent over to the justice department. and it's really just an extraordinary measure because, you know, i'll use a technical term here, but there were a lot of fbi agents who sort of half these investigations who weren't super into them. like, that was a real thing. they're going to be on that same list again. again, next to all the people who gave

it their all. because, you know, we sort of lose lose sight of this because of a lot of the rhetoric around the fbi. but it's a conservative leaning law enforcement organization. it's generally conservative leaning. and that's just sort of, you know, the facts. >> it's the nature of the beast. and, you know, for all of these law and order republicans out there who seem to be applauding and embracing this, what is this fbi look like? to your point, six months from now, when all of this is hollowed out and you've got hakeem jeffries in a statement saying republicans are hollowing out the world's premier law enforcement agency and leaving everyday americans more vulnerable to violent criminals and terrorists. this complete disregard for national security in pursuit of vengeance should shock every american. okay, color me shocked. all right, everybody in this town is shocked. but the crap still happens, and no one seems to be doing anything about it. no one seems to be outraged and put out. people are losing their jobs. people are on the verge of

retirement. two years, one year, six months from retirement. lose that opportunity. as you just noted, you've got folks who are now in situations where monday comes. what am i doing? i'm just sitting around waiting to be fired. what are what are the responses from democrats and republicans on the hill? are is this one of those oh, you know, color me tears. color me shocked. we're so, so upset by all of this, but we're not going to do a damn thing about it. is it just that much of an executive power to go through and sweep out everybody in the fbi and the members of congress who fund the fbi have no say? >> yeah, i mean, i do think it is going to boil down to those confirmations, because that's really kind of the power that they have right now. i just don't know if that's going to ultimately sway any republicans who were, you know, maybe considering kash patel whether or not they were going to confirm him. right. there's, you know, sort of a trope at this point. but if this was an anonymous vote, i think it goes a lot differently than if this was a public vote, just because a lot of people are worried

about sort of putting themselves out there. and, you know, we've seen how the confirmation. >> oh, they're worried about their poor little careers. as a member of congress. >> i think we need. >> to find the sound for later in the show to make sure we play it so that people can really understand, like here, what is going on in the confirmation hearings for both pam bondi and kash patel? they directly batted down the idea that people would be gone after within the justice department. thank you. because of these investigations, they said there would be no political firings. they were they were asked directly. kash patel just this week was asked. and the day after he answers that question. this happens at the justice department. i believe we are in a constitutional crisis, and the members of congress currently, at this moment, who serve in the republican party are not up to the task. the last time donald trump was president, it was mitch mcconnell and paul ryan that put a check on him. who is going to check him now? >> yeah. any anybody? >> yeah. and just to throw out a candidate for him, do you have

his acting. >> director? >> right. who he installed a matter of days ago. actually step up and say i am not behind this and i don't support it. >> yeah. i mean, the letter from the fbi acting director was sort of interesting. and i think that a lot of fbi people felt like supported by that because, you know, they're like, here's what i've been required to do. they're telling everyone, right? so they're not keeping this secret. they're publicly telling everyone, or at least in the bureau that, you know, this is what's going on. i've been asked to send this list. you know, i'm on this list, they said, because it affects so many. >> not only is he on the list, the acting deputy director is also. >> on the list, right? >> right. because everyone was involved, like in, i say, everyone. most people within the fbi were involved in this in some way. it hit there, you know, there was someone locally, if they're out in a field office who assaulted a cop that day and they had to show up and, and help out with, you know, the arrest or there was some form and, you know, the reason that everyone sort of on these lists is because that's part of the discovery process, right? so, you know, you're supposed to turn over everything and everyone who was involved so that everyone, people can put on

a fair defense. so it's going to have the names of, you know, the supervisory agent. it's going to have the names of any of the, you know, the fbi analysts who worked on the cases. it's going to have a really long list of people who, even if they had just some sort of really fleeting contact with this case, they're going to be on that list. >> can i just note, some people think they might be prosecuted because there was a letter that went to there was also an email that went out telling all the justice department officials to preserve their documents. and usually that's what happens when an investigation is about to happen. so, i mean, you know, nbc's brian riley, thank you for your reporting and your joining us this morning. we're going to continue to cover this story throughout the morning here. but next, breaking news overseas as hamas releases three more hostages, including an american. we will show you the moment keith siegel walked free after more than a year in captivity. and later, illinois governor j.b. pritzker is here, we are going to discuss how his state is fighting back against the trump administration. he's been name checked a lot this week. name checked a lot this week. you are watching the weekend. my grandfather's run meyer the hatter for over 75 years now.

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it is the fourth exchange that's part of an ongoing cease fire deal between hamas and israel. american keith siegel and israel's yarden babies and ofir calderon are now reuniting with loved ones after being held captive for nearly 500 days. this is the moment siegel was handed over from the red cross to the idf a short time ago.

siegel arrived at a tel aviv hospital for medical evaluation. joining us now is former assistant deputy secretary of defense evelyn farkas. she's also executive director of the mccain institute. >> when you came in and sat down, alicia noted, she said, this is like the first bit of it's more good news that this is holding the cease fire is holding. but as alicia had been discussing all morning with aaron, david miller and others, this is a very fragile moment. and this is step one. phase two is the thing that many people are watching and concerned that it may not hold. yes. i mean, i think we are. really at a. crossroads right now. it's been good news so far. there's a chance that it. >> will. >> continue as planned. but the president our president, really needs to put pressure on the israeli government to continue. >> that is. >> really the key point here, because netanyahu has a lot of

reasons to try to walk away from this agreement, especially once the hostages are released. >> i was so struck by the statement from keith siegel's family, which, of. >> course. >> they are relieved and happy that they are going, you know, to get him back. they thank president trump, but they quickly pivot to the fact that there are still 79 hostages who are also waiting to be reunited with their loved ones, saying, our hope rests with you. we also wish to thank the governments of israel and the united states for bringing this deal to fruition, a deal that prioritizes human life and embodies jewish and israeli values. there is still a long road ahead. >> yeah, i mean. >> i think that they feel this is really precarious. and we saw this, you know, the first hostage release. >> was. >> what, 15 months ago? until the. more recent ones, the door slams shut. >> so painful, you know, to wait. >> for so long. >> and i. >> think they recognize that there are other families. >> behind them waiting. so that is important. >> the political dynamics are. incredibly complicated. we also start talking. >> about that, you. >> know, in the next phases. >> we need more.

>> countries coming to the table, helping with the security agreement. and then the rebuilding of gaza. and we can't have ethnic cleansing. we can't, you know, create a situation where people can't go home to gaza. >> we also. >> have to keep an eye on what's happening in the west bank. i think it was interesting that the. >> trump envoy. >> mr. witkoff, went to gaza. that was the first time since 2009, i believe, that. >> a. >> us official. >> went to gaza. >> it's a good sign. we also need eyes on the west bank because, again, this hard line government, the israeli hard line government, they don't want a two state solution. >> and so. >> they're putting more pressure. i was there last june. they were putting pressure on the people in the west bank, the palestinians there, they've only increased it. >> what do you make of this assessment in foreign policy came out yesterday. netanyahu's visit visits washington in a much weaker position than donald trump. and if there is one thing we can say with confidence about trump is that he will take advantage of that.

>> yeah. >> trump is unlikely to restrict or condition u.s. military assistance to israel, just as biden refrained from doing so. but trump's unpredictability should concern netanyahu. trump is the republican party now, and netanyahu cannot turn to his familiar tactic of reaching over a u.s. president's head for congressional support. netanyahu will go home with good optics but relatively empty pockets, either in material or commitments. >> yeah, i saw that, michael, that foreign policy piece. it's great, and i agree with it. it's going to be great optics, of course. >> for. >> president trump. he'll look like the strong leader and he is the stronger leader. netanyahu right now is on the verge of losing power. you know his government is rests on this right wing. they're saying if this continues as is, meaning if we go towards the two state solution, towards rebuilding gaza with palestinians living there, that they will remove themselves from government, which means his government will collapse. now he's negotiating with the opposition, the

opposition parties in israel, to try to make sure that he can hold on to power. and he'd like to go to elections and keep holding on to power. he that's very tenuous. and if trump makes him look weak, then he will also have trouble back at home. he's coming here, though, to try to look stronger so that he can go into a future election so that he can go back to israel, saying. >> i have the. >> backing of the united states. but president trump, make no mistake, he wants an end to the conflict. and that's not what netanyahu and his far right. >> i was going to say. what incentives does trump have to prop up netanyahu any further? >> well. >> i mean, he doesn't he's he said that the world would be more peaceful under him and that the middle east, you know, he can get everybody to do what he wants. and i do think that this is also a precarious moment for president trump. you know, he said in the beginning that he would end the war in ukraine. and on day one, the war in ukraine is still happening. russia's war in ukraine. he said that he would bring all the hostages home and this would immediately end the all the hostages are not yet home. this

is a very fragile situation. i, i just think about as we were discussing what happens to the people in gaza, who rebuilds gaza, how they are. many of their homes are rubble at this point. right, right. >> especially when on one hand you have, you know, people inside the trump administration saying we're going to need 10 to 15 years to rebuild. and then you have trump himself trying to displace palestinians to surroundings. >> basically saying it's nice real estate. correct. right. and talking about a beachfront. >> property like what he sees the trump tower hotel in. >> it is distressing. well, there was something. >> with kushner. >> way back. not that far back, actually. i would say that first of all, 10 to 15 years sounds too long. it shouldn't take that long. and frankly, the saudis need to come to the table. what president trump wants. >> more than anything. >> obviously, he wants peace. he wants stability, but he wants to see the finalization of his abraham accords project. >> which means. >> that israel and saudi arabia have a diplomatic arrangement where they're normalized their

relations and they can do business. >> they can do deals. >> saudi arabia will not agree to that until there is a solution for the palestinian people, not because the saudi rulers care that much about the palestinian people, but the saudi people do, and they don't want trouble with their people. so the saudi arabians, with all their money, they can help rebuild gaza, i'm sure, faster than 10 to 15 years. >> interesting. >> all right, evelyn farkas, we appreciate your time and your insight this morning. thank you. next, another deadly plane crash, this time involving an air ambulance in philadelphia. this is just days after that terrifying collision right here in washington, d.c. we will get the latest when we come back. you're watching the weekend. >> are you overwhelmed with identity management in the context of omnipresent threats to your organization? >> hi. so no one knows what that means. >> what's happening? >> just explain. i want to help secure digital identity. keep it simple. >> like what? >> like when delivering a fresh uniform or viewing your results.

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investigations. the ntsb sort of steps back until the first responders have completed their work. they're in sort of an observer role, and then they will take over the investigation again to try to piece together all the information. that's available to figure out what happened there. we know that the same sort of activity is already happening here in the washington area. after wednesday night's crash involving that army blackhawk helicopter and the american airlines regional jet that collided over the potomac river here. we've already seen some of the crews back out on the water here, just off the airport property. the salvage boats, the divers are have been working really day in and day out since wednesday night, trying to recover the remains of the people who were killed in this. >> collision. >> but also trying to do the investigative work to start to piece together exactly what happened here. at this point, we know that at least 41 bodies have been recovered by divers here in the potomac river. many of them have already been identified. most of them have

been, and families have been notified as well. but that does mean that there are more than 20 victims who remain on the scene here, who remain in the water here. and what we understand from the dc fire chief is that they need to begin the heavy lifting portion of the salvage salvage operation. they need to lift the fuselage of that airplane, which is broken into three pieces out of the water. and the fire chief believes that once they do that, they will be able to recover more of the bodies. >> that are in. >> the water here. we understand from the ntsb that the navy was bringing in a large barge to begin to do some of that heavy lifting. as we've been looking out on the water here, we think we may be able to see it already, but we know that some of the officials here are already gathered at the airport today, and we'll get more information from them about what exactly is on scene here and how they're going to be able to begin the largest portion of the salvage operation. we should also note that interviews have begun with some of the air traffic control operators here. the ntsb again told us that yesterday they started the interview process. that is

something that is ongoing, and it is a part of the fact finding effort that is going to be necessary, along with the black boxes that were on those aircraft. all of them have been recovered. they are now at the ntsb lab where they're going to be interrogated. and investigators say they do believe they'll be able to extract all of the information from those black boxes once they've done some of these sort of pretreatment, to be able to get inside the boxes to get that information. guys, we do expect that there will be two more briefings later on today, and we should learn more information about what's happening here, what will happen here today. >> we will take those live when they come. nbc's aaron gilchrist, thank you so much. >> in the wake of the midair collision near washington, donald trump chose to pull the country apart rather than together. after declaring it to be an hour of anguish for our nation, trump, just five minutes later tried to blame diversity policies promoted by presidents biden and obama for the crash.

>> the faa is diversity and inclusion hiring plan, which says diversity is integral to achieving faa's mission of ensuring safe and efficient travel. i don't think so. i don't think so. i think it's just the opposite. >> can we play more? >> you can. you can play more, play some more. >> because the donald trump says he knows the guy is to blame because he has common sense. >> yeah. >> it's common sense. the most ignorant statement from a president in a very horrific moment for the nation. it's been 20 years since we've had an airline tragedy like this. >> no survivors. >> no survivors, 60 plus families in mourning, a nation shocked and in mourning. and this man wants to blame prior

administrations, dei policies. he wants to set a blame narrative in place as the nation is trying to grip itself around the idea of what just happened. we see now the images. people are watching the planes collide, the explosion. you know what's happening there. and he has that to. offer us this insensitive, cold response to an american moment. folks, we've seen this so many, so many times before. and it's for me, i'm really trying to be good with my language here because i can't. >> families that are. >> the pain right. >> now, their families that are in pain right now and out of respect for them. i'm not going to share exactly what i think about the man sitting in the white house at this moment, but i think we all should walk away feeling less supported and less lifted up around his comments.

so let's look to each other to support these families and the communities that are affected and not deal with the individual who clearly has no sensitivity or heart. regarding the tragedy in front of the country. >> i want people to ensure that they know that we are not making this up. let's just play what donald trump said. >> he didn't. >> you have. today blame. >> the diversity. >> elements, but. >> then told. >> us that you weren't sure that the controllers made any mistake. he then said perhaps. >> the helicopter. pilots were the ones. who made. >> the mistake. it's all under investigation, i understand that. that's why i'm trying to figure out how you can. come to. >> the. >> conclusion right now. >> that diversity had something to do with this crash, because i have common sense, okay. and unfortunately, a lot of people don't. >> i fully believe that people are asking the wrong questions

in that white house briefing room. and, you know, i when i used to work at the white house, i was never, you know, you never you never. >> tell reporters. >> what to ask. but to be very clear for the president of the united states to come out and say, well, this is about d i'd, i did this. the first question to the president is what is d mr. president, when you say die, what are you talking about? because what does he mean die? did this black people did this, latino people did this, women did this, a gay person did this, a trans person did this. what exactly are you saying? and i think it is like, look, the donald trump that we saw from that podium that day, this is the exact this is who he has always been. he is excruciatingly consistent. and despite that, that rabid consistency, everyone from people, from reporters, people who host shows, members of congress, people who have voted for him, have worked to rationalize what we have heard and saw from him and suggest to us there was one more experience. he's going to change. he is not changing. this is who he is. and so may this be the day i tweeted this. may this

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>> putin for his invasion. >> of ukraine. >> joining us now is former cia director and msnbc senior national security and intelligence analyst john brennan. >> so the menagerie of misfits continues this week with patel and gabbard. what in the gabbard here hearing? what stood out to you as i mean, all of us concerning. but was there any aspect of the way that played out that sort of gave you a sense that, yeah, i don't think this this one is going to pass muster with the senate, or are we just on the on the course of normalizing pathetically bad people and leveling them up into positions of importance and responsibility, like the director of national intelligence? >> well, i. >> think some of her responses fell short of what the republicans. were looking. >> for when.

>> she couldn't say that. >> edward snowden was. >> a traitor. >> but that moment was amazing. >> yes. >> so they were trying to, i think. >> give her. >> some. >> softballs to hit. >> and she. >> wasn't able to do that. >> for whatever reason. but although. >> it's very important. >> what they. >> say during these confirmation. >> hearings, each of. >> these nominees. >> have a record. >> they have a. >> record in terms of. >> what they. >> have done. >> and said in the past. >> and it's clear. >> that over. >> the course of tulsi. gabbard's professional. >> life. >> as. >> well as kash. >> patel's professional. >> life. >> we have many instances where they've done. >> things showing very. >> poor judgment. >> or they've done things that. >> really give us an. >> indication of what they're going to. >> do in these positions. >> and so i. >> think tulsi. >> gabbard doesn't have. the experience. >> of the leadership. >> but also, i think there are questions about some. >> of the things. >> that. >> she has. >> done and said in the. >> past that really. >> raise questions. >> about her integrity and her. >> ability to fulfill the role. >> of director of. >> national intelligence. >> which. >> again, is the. >> orchestration of. >> 18 u.s. >> intelligence agencies. >> that our national security depends. >> so heavily on. >> i just want to play because we mentioned it. this is the

exchange, i think, that concerned most of the senators, because it goes to the heart of just the job. frankly. this is gabbard repeatedly sidestepping questions on edward snowden. >> do you still. >> think edward snowden is brave? >> mr. vice chairman edward snowden broke the law. i do. >> not agree with. >> or support with all of the information and. >> intelligence that he released. >> nor the way. >> in which he did it. >> was he a traitor. >> at the. >> time when. >> he took america's secrets. released them. >> in. >> public. >> and then ran to china and became a russian citizen? >> senator, i'm focused. on the future and how we can prevent something like this from happening again. >> yes or no? is edward snowden a traitor to the united states. >> of america? >> as someone. >> who has. worn our. uniform in. >> combat. >> i understand how critical. our national security. >> apparently you don't. >> well. >> y'all just. >> let that.

>> a lot of. just let that sit in for you. you can't answer that question. i mean, it was so directly placed. i mean. >> and i guess the reason it's an important question to the people on the dais is because it's an important question to the people with whom she will lead. why does this matter so much for folks that are like, first of all, who was edward snowden and why does it matter? >> well, everybody who. >> joins. >> the intelligence community. >> the law. >> enforcement community, they swear. >> an oath of. >> loyalty to the constitution. >> and. >> to make sure. >> that we. >> fulfill our obligations. >> as. >> far as protecting. >> classified information, as. >> well as the sources and methods that. >> underlie that information. >> and what. >> edward snowden did. was to violate that solemn oath. >> and so when. >> she signals. >> to people and. >> she. >> did. >> before previously that she thought edward snowden did a good. >> thing, it really, i. >> think, again, undermines. >> the confidence of the intelligence community members in the leadership. >> of the. >> community that's. >> going. >> to continue. >> to protect. these country secrets. and, you know, we already have. >> concerns about the person in

the white house. >> who did not. >> fulfill. >> i think, the obligations of the office of the. >> presidency as far as protecting. >> classified information. >> so, again. >> i think there are some real questions. >> about whether or not tulsi gabbard is going to get through. >> so let's talk about kash patel. and just to sort of draw back the curtain on how television shows like this are made, i asked our producers to put together a montage of what kash patel has said in the past about the fbi, about retribution, and then to sort of. contrast that with what we heard. >> in the hearings. i don't. >> even think we need that. in light of the fact that we just. saw a purge. of the fbi, of. >> folks who. >> were. >> involved in. >> the january 6th investigation in the prosecution, doesn't that tell us more about what. >> we. need to know about where. >> this administration. >> is and would be under the direction of a. >> kash patel. than anything that is really said. >> in this hearing. >> where. >> suddenly they are trying to backtrack on. >> things they've said in the past. >> absolutely. >> the damage is already being done to the bureau before a new director gets there. >> by removing.

>> the senior leaders. >> as well as sending this very chilling message to other. >> fbi agents who. >> were involved in any type of investigation. >> about the january 6th assault or issues related to, you know, donald trump. it's i think it's, again, undermining an institution that we rely on. and i. >> think this. >> is just the first. >> step in terms of, okay, you're going to remove. these people and then you put. other people in and. >> what are they. >> going to do? so you're going to disrupt. >> the ongoing. >> counterterrorism. >> counterintelligence. >> other types. >> of criminal investigations that the bureau is involved in, but also what's. >> going to be. >> the agenda. >> of the new. >> people coming in. so we are. >> in. very dangerous. >> waters. >> right now, the most dangerous domestic waters. >> that i've seen. >> in. >> in many. >> many years, which is not about bureaucracy, because i think sometimes when we talk about it, we talk about it as though, like, these are people who worked in the government. we should protect them. that's not the point. the point is their function was to protect us. their function was to keep the homeland safe. donald trump campaigned on two things bringing down the price of eggs. already admitted he can't do that. number two, making america safer. so how then, in your. >> mind, number three, the racism. and i would argue.

>> i mean that, right? i just want to get to the core issue, which is this is not about defending bureaucracy, right? this is about. america safety and the. >> safety and the progress that has been made. i just i mean, if people thought j. edgar hoover was bad, honey. kash patel ain't got, ain't got like j. edgar hoover ain't got nothing on kash patel. >> nothing. can i just look this whole kash patel crap can be summed up in one one quote from him. so let it let it come out of his own mouth so we know exactly what he thinks about the job that he's being asked to, to, to do this is his give me e 34. >> what's that? >> hoover building. >> on day one and reopening the next day as a museum. >> of the deep state. >> that's all you need to know. i don't give a damn what he says after that, because that tells you the man, the sum and

substance of the next fbi director right there. and if you work in the building, that's the person you don't want coming in the door on day one, because that's what he wants to do. that's what he thinks of the men and women who sacrifices their life every day, every day for us. he wants to open up their office, their building, their field, their field operations as a museum to the deep state of which, by the way, he this whole made up fanciful thing. so for someone like yourself who's put their life on the line in government, government service and worked with men and women who have, what does that say when you hear someone like that coming into a position of authority and power over you, think, look at your job and go, you're just a museum piece. >> it's deconstructing an institution that we have relied on. >> for generations to keep. >> us. >> safe in terms of protecting. >> us against.

>> russian and. >> chinese intelligence activities here, protecting. >> us against. >> you know. >> terrorists, against criminals. all of those. >> and so when you hear right. >> from his mouth and. >> he referred to. >> the questions. >> that the senators were asking as grotesque. >> mischaracterizations. >> they're not. >> they're not the things. >> that he has said. >> a former colleague. >> told me that if he gets. >> into the bureau, it's going to. >> be a travesty that the executive. >> branch and these are the words is. >> careening out. >> of control. >> and when. >> are the republicans in. >> congress going. >> to realize that it's getting. >> out of control? >> the damage is. >> being done. more damage is going to be done. if you're. >> going to be. >> removing people in the bureau. >> of tremendous background, experience. >> and integrity. >> and if you bring in inexperienced. >> individuals without. >> that integrity. >> that have a partizan and political agenda, we are all. >> in deep trouble. >> including many of the people. most of the people who voted for donald trump. so again, when are we going. >> to come to our senses as a. >> country that this is not. >> what our democratic. >> foundations really. rely on? it relies on people of integrity who are going to fulfill their responsibilities. again, the oath to. >> the constitution.

>> not to an individual. >> because we have to go to break. do you think it makes any difference if acting director driscoll stands up and says, i don't, i don't condone this. >> i think he should. >> demonstrate on. >> behalf of the. >> of the bureau. >> that's why i was very disappointed when christopher wray. >> stepped down. >> i think we need to stand. >> up when. >> we see. >> things happening. >> to these institutions. >> that is. >> antithetical to. >> what it. >> is needed in order to keep this country safe. >> can i just say something? director brennan is on the list, and he consistently continues to. to just tell the truth without fear of what may happen to him. because it's that important. so we appreciate it. >> we really. >> appreciate you. >> and definitely appreciate your service, my friend. director brennan, thank you so much for being with us. at the top of the hour. two former january 6th prosecutors weigh in on trump's purge at the fbi. now, be sure also to follow our show on social media. our handle everywhere is at the weekend msnbc. i got this $1,000 camera for only $41 on dealdash. dealdash.com, online auctions

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