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congressional aide said the number of prosecutors impacted is roughly two dozen. joining us now are two former january 6th prosecutors, alexis loeb and ashley akers. welcome to you both. thank you. >> thank you for having us. >> thank you. i think what we just want to start with is your initial reaction to this is now the second time on a friday evening that officials have been fired unceremoniously. and it cited that the reason for their dismissal is because of the work that they did on the january 6th cases. your response? >> it's shocking. >> honestly. >> that they. >> are going after. >> the. >> people who have acted. according to. >> law and not politics. >> i would. >> remind everyone. >> that law. >> enforcement officers. >> and prosecutors. >> take an. >> oath to. >> support and. >> defend the constitution. not a particular person. >> and so these firings. >> show that if. >> you're not supporting the. >> person. >> you will you will be let go.

>> and that's not. >> how our democracy, that's not how our justice. >> system is set up. >> not only let go like also potentially prosecuted. right. like are you concerned about have you talked to folks who are maybe concerned about that? and are you yourself concerned? >> i'm more concerned right. now for the country. honestly. i think that any. attempt to. >> prosecute these individuals. >> would be. >> completely frivolous. >> and would not. >> make it. >> very far. >> in court. >> at all. >> i mean, of. >> course. >> investigations impose costs on the people who. >> are subjected. >> to them, but. >> any idea. >> that. >> there was anything improper. >> in. what these ordinary career public servants. did by just. doing their. >> job makes no sense. >> at all. >> i just it's for me, it's just stunning, you know, you have two career professionals here and across the country who have committed and dedicated their

their service to the country to uphold the rule of law, to follow the procedures that are required to follow, to protect and defend all that stuff. and then you've got nominees like kash patel who are going to be coming in clearly indicating, as we noted in before we went to our last break, that they see the building that, you know, officers, fbi officers work in. and it's just a big museum. that's what we're going to turn it into. talk, talk about what this is doing right now to the men and women that you have served with as prosecutors who are still there and now thinking to themselves, what the hell have we gotten ourselves into? >> i think it's demoralizing. >> our law. >> enforcement officers. these are people who. >> have. >> dedicated their lives. >> who. have trained, who are the top. >> people with the.

>> top knowledge and. >> experience in. >> protecting the american people. >> and they're. >> being terrorized. they're being demonized. >> for abiding. >> by their constitutional duties and obligations. they're being told that because they. investigated people. >> who attacked. >> police officers. >> people who attacked the. >> capitol building. >> people who attacked the democracy. >> because that. >> wasn't in line. >> with this administration. >> you're out. and that's sickening. >> the american. >> people should. >> demand that our law. enforcement officers go. >> after people. >> who hit police. >> officers in the face. >> with a baseball bat, people who bear spray police officers. >> in the face so. >> that they can get into the capitol building. >> we should. >> demand that of our law. >> enforcement officers. and they did that, and they did it. >> lawfully and. admirably so. the fact that. >> they're now. being kicked. >> out of. >> of the most prestigious. >> law enforcement agency in the country. is sickening. >> and when you think. >> about who. >> these people are, i. >> think it's. >> it's only. >> more so. these are some of.

>> these. >> people are veterans. these are people who moved across the country to work for their for. >> their country, for. >> the united states. these are some. >> people left high paying. >> jobs because they cared. >> about the mission. >> and wanted. >> to. >> stand up. >> and protect. >> the officers. and wanted. >> to stand up and protect congress and the american people. so to punish them for that, again, it makes no sense. >> alexis, i want to ask you about kash patel. we have a confirmation hearing where he had to talk about january 6th pardons. take a listen. >> i have always. >> rejected any. >> violence against. >> law enforcement, and i have, including in that group is specifically addressed. >> any violence. >> against law enforcement. >> on january 6th. >> and i do not agree with the commutation of any sentence of any individual who committed violence against. >> law enforcement. >> alexis, should we. >> believe his words. >> or the deeds that we just

watched take place in the last 24 hours? >> i don't know if you all can hear alicia, but she noted, she said. his words and his deeds of the last 24 hours. did i get that right, guys? should we take his word or his deeds of the last 24 hours? what should. what should you take from kash patel? what? what should what do you believe? his words or his deeds? >> i think actions speak louder than words, and that's the. point that. >> they're making in the hearings. >> and it's dangerous. >> when we're. >> in the. >> situation that we are already. we're career. >> law enforcement officers are being forced. >> out. >> and the american people should demand. a leader who leads the federal bureau of investigation. >> who is principled. >> and who believes in the rule of law and not in the political will of the president. >> so i just i want to ask very directly, then do either of you think that kash patel or even

pam bondi, who pam bondi is qualified to as attorney general of florida, but do you think that they should be running the department of justice and the fbi? >> i think they have their. >> work cut out. >> for. >> them now. >> now that all. >> of these dedicated career. >> public servants have been. >> fired or are. >> worried they. >> will be. >> fired. >> it's going. >> to fall to them to. enforce the nation's. >> laws, where. >> you have. >> a president who's indicating. >> that if. >> people are hostile. >> to them, he's going to. >> prosecute them, and. >> he's going to people whom he. >> perceives as his friends. >> he's going to. >> give them a pass. >> and honestly. >> it's starting. >> to seem. >> like. it's almost. >> an. >> impossible job for them to do. >> to enforce. >> the law. >> neutrally, which is what they said they would do. >> in these hearings to resist political. >> pressure. >> which they said they would do. >> in these hearings. that's more. >> important than ever. >> and so it's. >> it's a lot of pressure on them. >> i'm. >> i'm not.

>> sure, given some of their past statements. >> that. >> they'll be able to do it, but i certainly hope so, because we're going to need an independent attorney general and fbi director more than ever. now. >> one of. >> the aspects of this that for me, is, is a little bit intriguing. and of course, i see it as a line that can be drawn in the sand by the affected federal agents and employees and directors of various parts of, of the agency. this idea that they're getting these threatening letters to resign or be fired. do you think they should just say, you want me out, fire me? because that that to me, draws a line, number one, and particularly for some folks, it allows them some opportunity as civil servants on the back end to really push back up against legally towards, against their firing. >> i think, yes, if the administration wants them out. >> they.

>> should take steps to fire them and it will show how frivolous this really is. the administration has to provide just cause to fire career employees generally, and rewriting history and saying that these people perpetuated the national injustice of prosecuting. january 6th is not just cause. that is, again, the strong arming political will on our law enforcement. >> so along those lines, i mean, they received communication that essentially says you are terminated. so should people. are you suggesting that people should continue to show up to work on monday? because that's really what michael is saying. yeah. they they were fired through these. and i agree with your assessment. it is an unlawful dismissal that flies in the face of the facts that we all know to be true here. but people are not coming to work. they're not essentially not going to go to work. so do you think that the resistance to this unlawfulness should be? no. if you want us out, you'll have

to literally come take us out. >> i agree with with miss akers on that point. >> that said. >> i think it's. also a personal decision, and many of these people have been given decades of their life to public. >> service, have. >> left their families at home to go conduct surveillance night after night, for example, in the. >> middle of an investigation. >> so i'm not going to fault anyone who says, you know, i don't want to fight, i'm going to resign. i don't want to i don't want to go through. >> this anymore. >> i understand that, but you know that. but to be quite honest, that's what they're banking on because these folks don't want the stain of what they're doing on their fingers. they don't want that person's job on their hands. they want you to freely quit and give up and get out. so that way they don't have to take the accountable. responsible risk, you know, required response of, oh, you just fired all these people to your point. now all of

a sudden you've got to account for why you fired them. and so i do hear what you're saying, and i know there are a lot of people in that crosshairs, but if they can just hold on and just go to work on monday and sit at your desk and just sit there, okay, i'll have a latte, you know, you want me out, come and get me. >> you know, alicia just texted us. we couldn't hear her. so this is why she didn't come back on. but she has a long. she has a good question. she just said, you know, i'm thinking about the future permission structure and, like, what does this mean for a future insurrection? he didn't let the militia out. now he didn't fire the people that investigated the militia. >> there is no greater endorsement of the attack on the capitol in our democracy than not only pardoning, blanket pardoning, every person who participated, but then firing the lawful adherent law enforcement officers who investigated and prosecuted this crime. and just to be clear, he is not identified. they have not identified anything they did

wrong. the american people would expect law enforcement to investigate people bashing in windows and hunting for the vice president in the capitol building. we should demand that the fact that they're now being fired, let go, terminated. whatever you want to say it, it's appalling. >> and can i just say, everybody out there who has a job knows if they saw that happening at their work and they know what was up and how they would respond to it. so don't to your point, don't sit back on this, folks, alexis. >> it makes it makes america. >> a lot. >> less. >> safe is what i'm thinking about. because now going forward, prosecutors and fbi agents get the message that before they investigate, before they charge a crime, they need to think, how is the person in power going to feel about this? what's their political view of this going to be? and there should be no room for that in making decisions about has a crime been committed? who committed the crime? can we hold them accountable? can we deter future crimes from happening? >> as alicia was saying, that's a chilling effect.

>> yeah. >> alexis ashley, thank you both for your service and your time here this morning talking about this. next up, folks, a second federal judge has blocked the trump administration's chaotic funding freeze. marc elias will be with us. and later, illinois governor j.b. pritzker joins the weekend to discuss donald trump's sweeping tariffs on america's biggest trading america's biggest trading partners. stay for people who feel limited by the unpredictability of generalized myasthenia gravis, season to season, ultomiris is continuous symptom control, with improvement in activities of daily living and reduced muscle weakness. and ultomiris is the only long-acting gmg treatment with the freedom of just 6 to 7 infusions per year, for a predictable routine i can count on. ultomiris may lower your immune system's ability to fight infections, increasing your chance of serious meningococcal and other infections which may become life-threatening or fatal. complete or update meningococcal vaccines at least 2 weeks before you start. if treatment is urgent, and you're not vaccinated, you should receive antibiotics with your vaccines.

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temporarily blocked the trump administration's attempt to freeze federal funding for grant and loan programs. trump's lawyers argued the case was moot since the administration rescinded the memo, but judge john mcconnell disagreed, citing this tweet from white house press secretary caroline leavitt, which said the freeze would still be executed even after the rescission. mcconnell said the memo, which caused widespread confusion and chaos, appeared to violate the law. joining us now, marc elias, founder of. democracy docket, partner at elias law group, and birthday boy. happy birthday, marc elias. >> happy birthday. >> marc, and welcome. so you know this this has been a week of additional exposure. you have the hearings going on for fbi director and secretary of health. you've got the courts now beginning to weigh in as these lawsuits are ramping up with respect to, you know, this constitutional showdown that we

see in the courts, while the backdrop you've got these illiberal, unconstitutional, unconstitutionally based appointees being leveled up. what how do you see this playing out? what should we should we see more courts now weighing in? how? just give us a sense of how effective this is going to be in terms of stopping what we're seeing, not just in terms of the funding triggers that that are going on, but the other aspects of what donald trump hopes to do. for example, eliminating the 14th amendment. >> yeah. >> look, i think. >> we need to view all of. >> this as. >> one big whole. >> rather than the pieces. so in your last. >> segment. >> you pointed out. >> that. >> you know, donald trump is trying to seize control. >> and that's. >> what he's doing. he is. >> seizing control. of lying, prosecution. >> and lying investigative. decisions by both.

>> replacing at. >> the. >> top. >> you know. >> qualified people with. >> the likes. >> of pam bondi and kash. patel in the intelligence services, the likes of pete hegseth. >> and tulsi. >> gabbard, and. >> also trying to replace the. >> line agents. >> and federal. >> prosecutors who have to execute. >> these decisions. >> by firing. >> a bunch of them, trying to pressure a bunch of others out. and the next piece of it, michael. >> will. >> be to. >> put his cronies in. >> right. >> the people who are going to come in and fill those slots are not. >> going to be careerists. they're going to be. >> his political cronies. then you look at the. >> executive orders. >> well. >> what are the other. >> powers that donald trump wants. >> to be in. >> control of in. >> order to be an. >> authoritarian one is obviously the power of the state. >> the other. >> is the power of. >> the purse. >> right. so he wants to be able to seize control of how. >> money is spent. >> in, in the federal. >> government, essentially. >> taking from. >> congress its authority. >> to appropriate. >> and spend money and. >> making it. >> personal to him. >> so that is. the second.

>> piece. >> of this. the third. >> is the. >> advice and consent function, which, by the way. >> republicans in the senate. >> seem. >> fine to just give. >> up anyway. >> and if. >> you take. >> all of those things together, you. >> essentially have. >> someone who is trying to be a dictator. >> not for a day. >> not for a week. >> but for. >> his entire. >> term. >> if not longer. >> and ultimately, to answer your. >> question. >> the only branch. >> that right. >> now. >> seems to. have any. >> fight potentially. >> in. >> it is. >> the courts. >> right? >> you know, speaker johnson has turned. >> over his gavel. >> the republican leadership in the senate have turned themselves over. >> it is. >> very hard. >> in a world in. >> which billionaires. >> and oligarchs are. >> are not standing. >> up to. >> donald trump to. ask lying. >> fbi agents and. >> federal prosecutors. >> to and. >> other government workers. >> so. >> you know. >> ultimately it is. >> left to the. >> courts to stand up. >> and so. >> far they. >> have, you know, they. have put. >> in place. >> blocks against. >> a couple of the worst aspects of these of. >> his actions. >> and let's hope that, you know, some of. these civil servants, you know, decide to execute.

>> exercise their. >> right to go to court as well. >> so just. to go back over what you said, you have all these things that are likely going to head not just the courts, but to the supreme court freezing government spending, housing doge inside the government, which was not how doge was originally represented to us birthright citizenship. we're going to hear the term. we've used it already on. >> the show. >> constitutional crisis. i want you to tell us what a constitutional crisis is actually looking like. understanding that we are. >> now kind of in. >> the middle of it, but how it is likely to play out? >> yeah. are we in a constitutional crisis? yeah, because i feel like we are. >> i think. >> we are. i think. >> that honestly, you. >> know, you could compare where we are. >> now and say it is actually more severe. >> than the. >> the situation. >> with. >> richard nixon. >> firing, you know. a special counsel. >> you have. >> essentially. >> donald trump. >> aggregating all. >> power of the federal government. >> to. >> himself and. >> the. >> legislative branch. >> led by. republicans in the house and senate.

>> not standing up to him. so, you know, you, you. you have a situation in which, you know, you have. like i said, him trying to take over the ability. >> to spend money. >> you have donald. >> you have, you know. elon musk sending. people into. >> the into. >> the. treasury department to access. >> critical systems. >> and ultimately, the. >> courts are. >> going. >> to have to be. >> the. >> ones that say. >> no. >> the executive. >> branch is. >> not all powerful. >> they do not. >> get to. >> decide everything. they do not. >> get to run over civil service protections. >> they do. >> not get to run over the constitution's. grant of citizenship. they do not get to run over the. >> power of the purse. >> that, you. >> know, when congress. >> appropriated funds. and yes, you're right, that. >> will eventually go to the. >> supreme court. >> the interesting part for me, which is something i've learned and come to know about donald trump going back to the early days before 2016, is that he's he's the kind of guy who will say, i'm just going to do it until someone stops me. and in

fact, david graham in the atlantic wrote it up this way. the strategy is to seize power and dare both congress and the courts to stop it. this tactic is unpredictable, as this week's misadventures show. but it also it's also relatively low risk. the ideologues inside the administration want to see what they can get away with. and if it doesn't work, so be it. i'll be very frank. that's why we need a marc elias out there, because the congress is feckless and inept, and it's quite frankly, just said, here, take take the booty and run with it. right. take all the resources and do whatever you want with them. we need right now. i think, mark, a different kind of alignment of forces to begin to push back on this and to instead of, you know, oh,ee what they can get away with, just get in the breach and, and fight to

stop as much of this as possible. how do you see that playing out across the spectrum of interests or would be interest in what happens next with this administration? >> yeah. >> look. >> i've said. >> for weeks. >> now we need a. >> new opposition. >> movement, which is different than a resistance. >> we need an. >> opposition movement that is. prepared and steeled. >> for much. more aggressive tactics from. >> donald trump, and is also willing to. >> set aside. >> the norms. you know, i mean, merrick garland. >> gave his last. speech to. >> d.o.j. on his way out the door about. >> the. importance and the success of norms. >> i would. >> ask everyone. >> watching this to ask. >> yourself, how well. >> has that. >> served us now? >> and so. >> obviously, we. >> all need to act within the law. we all need. >> to act. within the rules, but. >> we need to fight. hard and. >> we need to. >> fight to win. and that. >> means. >> we need. >> to fight in. court by bringing aggressive. >> litigation to. >> protect against authoritarianism. >> it means.

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this just on the fentanyl. let's just be very clear. and this is, you know, the conversation, a nonprofit news website that called the conversation us had this to say, ending the fentanyl crisis won't be easy. the u.s. has an addiction problem that spans decades long, predating the rise of fentanyl and countless attempts to regulate, legislate, and incarcerate have done little to reduce drug consumption. but history shows that government efforts to curb drug use often have little success. the first real attempt to regulate drugs in the u.s. occurred in 1890, and it goes on and on and on. >> the point being, tariffs are not going to be the answer to the fentanyl. >> crisis, correct. >> all right. >> so america y'all waking up this morning to a 25% tax on your toys, your electronics, your fresh produce lumber and cars 10% tax if it's coming from china. it. yeah. i don't think this is y'all. you're not going to feel this. in what universe do you not. does does someone not pass on their cost to you?

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to sourcing your materials or your whatever, the good is from mexico or canada, they'll just be forced to pay. >> and the impact of this, of this, as in all things trickles down. and the folks who are going to be the hurt the most, alicia, are the poor. the people who live in the poorest communities are not going to be able to carry the weight of these tariffs, just they never have throughout history. >> what do. >> you think is their calculus, the political calculus here? >> i think he thinks that they're going to fold and they're going to look strong and he's going to look strong. i do think he thinks that it's going in effect today. he thinks that mexico and canada are going to come to the table, probably canada before mexico, because prime minister trudeau has literally said his government. >> is collapsing. >> exactly. the government has collapsed. sheinbaum. sheinbaum is not playing games. >> i don't think that. >> the president of mexico. >> mexico. >> well, i don't we it remains to be seen. but the fact is, is that he told us he was going to do this. people said, oh, i think it's just a concept. and he did it just like he's saying he's going to be putting tariffs on oil and gas in the next

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trump administration is set to impose today on china, canada and mexico. joining us now is the governor of illinois, j.b. pritzker. governor, good to see you. >> good to see you. >> good to see you. governor, you've been on the mind of the folks at the white house. i was watching the press briefing yesterday, and the white house press secretary namechecked you by name, saying potentially you you saying that you are not going to comply with the trump administration's new immigration policy is illegal. i just want to know if you have a response to the white house's response to your pushback to their policy. >> well. >> we here in illinois follow the law. they don't seem to believe in that. at the white house, consistently, they've been breaking the law and they've put in place unconstitutional orders. they're trying to take away birthright citizenship, which is right there in the constitution. and by the way, we have laws on the books that do two things. one is

we want to arrest and take out of our country those who are violent criminals, who are undocumented. frankly, i don't want them in my state or in the country. those laws are on the books already. but we also have laws on the books that say that people who've been here a long time, who are following the rules or paying their taxes, or holding down jobs, who happen to be undocumented, that we're not going to have our police here locally coordinating with federal officials to have them taken away. we want people like that in this country. we're a country of immigrants, mostly, and we ought to abide by that principle. we've been doing that for our entire existence, and it's good for our economy to have immigrants come to our shores. my family came several generations ago with nothing and became successful. so many others who are here now are, you know, their families are multiple generations now succeeding in the united states. and it's good they're paying

taxes. they're holding down jobs. we should be supporting them. we need comprehensive immigration reform. >> governor, i want to shift a little bit from from that important area to another important area, which is coming into focus today is the president and his team have announced sweeping tariffs on mexico, china and canada. your state is a major supplier of corn and ethanol exports, which stand to take a huge hit from trump's tariffs. what's your what's your thinking there? what's the strategy that you now have to put into place? as i was just noting before we went to break, that's that's an impact to the bottom line of the citizens of the of the state of illinois. they're going to feel that you have to now figure out how to navigate this, this unnecessary tariff war, because donald trump was to beat his breast and pretend he's such a

tough guy. and i can get canada and mexico and china to bend the knee to me, and i can get the win. but the american people and the people of illinois are the ones who are actually going to be beneath that knee when it is bent. >> that's right. the people of illinois, the people of the united states, are going to pay the price for what donald trump is doing. let me tell you, canada and mexico are our two largest trading partners. here in illinois. we get most of our natural gas and also gasoline from north, right from canada. so when you impose a 25% tariff, you're imposing that tariff on working families in illinois. and let's just say this trump tax, which is what it is, the trump tax goes right along with the trump tax of taking away things like meals on wheels. the freeze that he put in place, taking away head start and child care from working families so they can't hold down a job

because they have nowhere to take their kids. our seniors who are in nursing homes, having medicaid taken away from them and having them thrown out. these are the trump tax. and by the way, when you lose your job because of these tariffs, that's the biggest tax of all, because you can't afford anything when you lose your job. >> governor, you put out a release on thursday talking about the january 6th rioters and obtaining state jobs. you wrote, i am committed to building a state workforce that upholds our shared values and delivers results for the people of illinois. our state workforce must reflect the values of illinois and demonstrate honesty, integrity, and loyalty to serving the taxpayers. no one who attempts to overthrow a government should serve in government. here's here's the thing, governor. we spoke before donald trump took office about how democratic governors were going to be one of the final lines of defense. and we're seeing that play out. we're seeing. it on immigration. we are seeing it on these tariffs. we're even seeing it on the pardoning of these january 6th writers. those are just the

things that are currently happening. what do you see as the challenges that are on the horizon? >> well, my goodness, i mean, first of all, the attacks by the trump administration on law enforcement. now, let me repeat that. they're attacking law enforcement. how are they doing that? well, pardoning january 6th, rioters who injured and provided injuries that ultimately killed a police officers. that's an attack on police. when you take away funding like they did this week from police departments across the state of illinois and across the country, we have task forces that are working on fighting drugs and violent crime and taking out the, you know, drug cartels and gangs, right? when you take away funding from those things, you're hurting law enforcement and frankly, ultimately leading to more crime, not less. so i think donald trump, it's a reckless set of policies that he's engaging in. and he, you know, ultimately, he promised that he

was going to lower costs for americans. he promised that he was going to make us safer. and he's done none of that. and i realize he's only been in office two weeks, but it's gotten worse, not better. you think your prices at the grocery store have gone down in the last ten days? no. they've gone up because of what he is threatening or what he's already put in place. >> we said. two weeks. >> when you said two weeks, governor michael and i looked at each other like, oh my lord, because you're right, it hasn't even actually been two full weeks yet. it's still shy of two weeks. >> you're right. >> i wonder what what are the governor? what are the democratic governors conversations amongst one another? because while this week you are the ire of the trump administration officials, next week it could be governor wes moore in maryland. like, how are you all coordinating or are you in this moment. >> especially since he is threatening those who are not compliant with his orders? >> well, i'm not afraid and none of us should be afraid. we

should be standing up speaking out. we should be very clear about our messaging. and very importantly, donald trump is attacking working families. we are the front lines of protecting working families. we governors. right, because we're delivering the services that people need in the states. so we are talking to one another. many of us have had phone calls with one another to talk about what do you think? how are you talking about this? what are you doing to protect people from cuts in meals on wheels and others? so there's been a lot of i wouldn't call it coordination, but i just say we're sharing a lot of ideas with one another. and, you know, i started an organization that's focused on safeguarding democracy among governors. we're working hard with one another to think about how do we fight back, how do we push back? we obviously need to go to court. and we did over the last two weeks. and fyi, we've won three times in a row going to federal court. so we're going to continue to do that because

we know that we're on the right side of the law, and the trump administration is on the wrong side. but governors are at the front lines. you know, we're the ones who are taking the brunt of what they're trying to cut at the federal government level. and we need our federal officials, democrats, to stand up and speak out, vote against nominees from the trump administration until the republicans finally capitulate to the idea that they're hurt, too, by these trump attacks. governors in republican states like louisiana have spoken out and said, like, this is bad for our people. and i've personally spoken with, well, 100 governors across the state of illinois who are republicans, who want me to help them protect their people from what donald trump is trying to do to their working families. >> to that point, governor, you noted with regard to the funding freeze, you noted that it was illegal and said what the

president is trying to do is illegal. i know these are challenging times, and the trump administration is trying to confuse the american people. that's why it's so important that we speak plainly. and for me, that's the critical piece right now, is how plainly you level all of this up in front of the american people who voted for the price of eggs and the cost of gas and basic things. this administration, while it is deconstructing the administrative state of the federal government, it is also deconstructing the middle class in illinois. talk about that impact, because that's the bottom line here, is that families are directly middle class. families were directly impacted by all of this. >> so let's. >> be clear. >> and we. >> need to be i think as you said, you know, we need to be focused on the contrast here. we

democrats, we want to raise wages in the united states. we want to raise the minimum wage. the republicans, they don't. the treasury secretary that was nominated and confirmed recently by donald trump said he doesn't want to raise the minimum wage. can you live on $7.25 and raise a family $7.25 minimum wage, by the way, raising wages that should be everybody's interest and lowering costs for people. so how about if we focus on those? if you take away health care from people, that's ultimately the, you know, the most expensive thing that you've got in your life is health care. if we take away health care from people, we're making middle class families, you know, suffer. and i personally believe that we democrats are not being clear enough. health care, raising wages, helping people save money for retirement, making sure that we're helping you put your kids through college or whatever education they need to get a good job. these are all things that

democrats believe in. and you're seeing one by one in these hundreds of ios and memos that donald trump is taking away those things from people across america. look, we should have taken some signal from the idea that the front row at donald trump's inauguration, he had literally the wealthiest people in america standing right behind him. he thought they were the ones that he should show off to americans. they're the ones who are going to get the massive tax cuts that he's planning, that are only going to be affordable if he cuts services for middle class americans and working americans and most vulnerable in the united states. so i think it should be clear to everybody. and democrats need to be standing up and speaking out in this moment and not being namby pamby about how they're responding to what donald trump is trying to do. he may have failed last week in the attempt last week, but this is his aim. he's going to keep trying to do it over and over and over again. and that's taking away things for the middle class and working class people in our country need.

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hands. who thinks that the democrats have responded sufficiently? no one's hand went up. >> you know what i love? >> okay, so. >> they were asking for clarification. they were like, wait, oh, no. >> candidates for dnc chair. >> yeah, the candidate for dnc chair. but you know what? i a hate moments like that when someone asks you, y'all raise your. >> and that was my first question, right? >> she does that. i know that's right. she always tells people not to do that. so it was really rich and amusingly great when you did. but the best part was you saw i couldn't tell who it was, but you saw the one woman. so. williamson. mary. but the hands start to go up, and then she looked around and didn't see any other hands going up, and the hand came back down. >> what now? and i do think it speaks to what governor pritzker was just saying, that, you know, in this moment, i mean, we keep we've said that this morning. we think i personally think we're in a constitutional crisis. so does mike elias. all of these things that we've covered over the morning and the response from the democrats, the

democratic party apparatus has been kind of disparate. i think they got a little bit better at the end of the week this past week. but today they're going to elect a chair, and that person is going to play a significant role in shaping the process. of how the democrats elect their next nominee. >> and don't be afraid to use the term fight, engage, push back all those terms. because i was watching this week, the republicans laid out from the white house and i think a couple on the hill, you know how democrats are now threatening, you know, trouble on the streets by using terms like fight. they want to fight. the president. yeah, that's that's what politics is about. it's engagement. and when you're doing stupid stuff like this, people should stand up, engage. so the next chairman has got to stand up and say, you know what? okay, new game, new order of things. here we go. >> they got a fight, but they also have to build infrastructure. >> were there any other top lines for you from this?

>> i mean they, they there was a lot about the budget raising money. there was lots of concern from the sunrise folks who protested many times talking about fossil fuel dollars, how people are going to raise money, the transparency within the dnc process, but also really the infrastructure and the need for a communication apparatus, their own media internal like rapid response, also going on different mediums. those were many of the things that was there. was there a clear. >> takeaway from from one or more who positioned to make this competitive? i mean, the votes today. so what do you. >> think happens today? i think there are 448 members that are going to make this decision. and right now it seems evenly split between ken martin, minnesota state chair, and ben wikler, state chair of wisconsin. so i'll be waiting with bated breath to see what happens. >> can i vote? >> you cannot. you're going to definitely want to join us tomorrow, though, folks. we're going to have the results of this dnc chairs race. also, our friend and colleague chris hayes will be here, and he's going to be here to talk about his brand new book, the siren's call. we will also be joined by new york

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