at ro covid day. >> good afternoon from. >> msnbc in washington. >> welcome to alex witt reports. >> i'm christina. >> ruffini in for alex today. and we're going to start off with three big headlines. breaking news on the trump tariffs on canada, mexico and china. are they actually hitting

today. and what do we know. plus dramatic new developments this hour on the trump administration pushing out january 6th. prosecutors and breaking news on the mid-air collision in washington, dc. new information from the flight data recorders expected soon. of course, we have reporters and analysts in place covering all of these new developing storylines. but first, we want to start with new information coming out just a short time ago from that other plane crash in a neighborhood in philadelphia last night. nbc's maya eaglin is near the site of the crash. maya officials just released some critical new details. what are they and what are you learning? >> yeah. christina, we just heard from hero and mayor parker just a short while ago. they said that in addition to the six people who were on that plane that died, one other person who was on the ground and actually in their car also passed away. we know that at least 19 other people have also been injured in this incident, and they said that number is pretty fluid

because this is an ongoing investigation. that number could rise in the next few days. just to recap here, this happened yesterday around 630. it was a jet rescue air medical ambulanc. on board that plane was a miner who was receiving medical care. she was actually from mexico and came here to philadelphia. she was with her mom. there were four other crew members. and when that explosion and the crash happened, there was a lot of debris. so a lot of the video you're seeing are some of the smoke and flames. as a consequence of this crash. we're still waiting to hear more on the identities of those injured and also the status of their injuries. i'm going to play some sound from you for you all from mayor parker, who recently just spoke at this press conference. take a listen. >> your city is working around the clock with all of our local, state and federal partners on every element of this tragedy. there are no silos. there may be specific lanes. there may be

specific assignments that each of these respective agencies are responsible for. but the left hand knows what the right hand is doing, and they are collaborating on a consistent basis. >> the officials here are also recommending that folks who come across debris do not interact with it and report it to police. even just standing here, we've seen a few things around the roads and at a nearby diner, too. there's actually a piece of metal that came through the window and hit a customer when this all happened yesterday. so a lot still going on and a lot still to be determined here on the ground in philadelphia. christina. >> all right, maya, thank you so much. that video from last night was just terrifying. i can't imagine being on the ground when that happened. let's go now to nbc's aaron gilchrist at reagan washington national airport. he's got the latest on the investigation into the crash there. okay, aaron, we're hearing there are still a lot of victims in the water. i know when this crash happened, everybody was trying to help, you know, local cruise ships, private vessels were out there trying to help officials. what is the update on recovering

those victims and what else do we know about the crash? >> yeah. you're right, christina, that cruise ship, there's a dinner cruise ship that's still out on the water here, helping with the salvage process that's underway right now. and you're also right, that a key focus of what's happening today is really on recovering those bodies that remain in the water. as we've been reporting, we know at least 41 people have been recovered to this point. and the process of recovering those other bodies is one that is going to be very carefully undertaken. the dc fire chief told us yesterday that he believed raising the fuselage. those the three pieces of the airplane that went down in the water here on wednesday night, raising that fuselage, is going to be the key to getting to the remaining victims that are in the water right now. we know that there are two debris fields essentially in the water, one where the helicopter is and the other where the airplane is, and the crews are going to be working, starting really today and into tomorrow and into next week to raise those pieces of

the aircraft out of the water there. there are boats that are moving into the area as we speak to make sure that those pieces can be lifted out of the water and placed on boats, and then brought to a secure facility here on the dca property, you may be able to see a coast guard ship in the water. right now. it is one of several that is helping in this effort. we know there are two coast guard cutters on scene. here is weather as well as several other ships. there is a coast guard station just across the river from where we're standing, and so they were among the first to be able to respond here to help out initially. and now they're helping with securing a perimeter on the water here so that private boats don't get into the area and potentially run into some sort of debris here. and they're also helping with the actual salvage operation when they're tasked with doing that. we managed to talk to the commanding officer of the coast guard in this area a little while ago, and i want you to hear what he said about the work that his people are doing here. >> i think as i talked to some of the crews out there on what i

get overwhelmingly from everybody is this is what they would want somebody to do for them if this was their family. so they have no no issues with going out there and being on the water all day, as long as it takes to try and bring some closure to the family. >> and of course, the other side of this is the investigation. what caused these two aircraft to collide mid-air on wednesday night? the ntsb, of course, is leading that part of the investigation. we understand that they have interviewed members of the air traffic control team that were in the tower when this accident happened. their interview, those interviews are ongoing. we do anticipate, christina, that there will be another ntsb news conference at 6:00 tonight. dcs unified command, the fire chief, indicated that there might be another briefing that they would hold today as well. we'll be looking out for that to get more information. christina. >> all right. thank you. we'll keep an eye on those updates. and it's been bitterly cold in dc. hopefully it's getting a little warmer. that will make those recovery efforts slightly easier. thank you so much. and

coming up in just a few minutes, we'll talk to a former air traffic controller about what investigators may be looking for as they try to figure out what exactly went wrong, what went wrong. but first, we're going to turn to more breaking news. the trump administration is forcing out multiple senior fbi officials, as well as prosecutors who investigated the january 6th cases in what appears to be the beginning of a larger overhaul of the department of justice. nbc's ryan riley is following these latest developments. ryan, what are we learning about who has been dismissed, why these particular people and what this means overall for the organization? >> yeah, for. >> the fbi. i mean, this is a real crisis moment for the fbi. they they basically the justice department, the acting deputy attorney general has asked for a list of all of the people who worked on january 6th cases. now, remember, there are over 1500 january 6th cases. and people in the fbi at all different branches and all different units of the fbi worked on these cases. in fact, you know, arguably the majority and probably even more of fbi

employees worked on january 6th cases in some capacity, because that might mean they just helped out with an arrest. that might mean they were the lead agent on the case. that might mean they were a supervisor, or they were an analyst who had some involvement in it. so this is a really major thing for the for the fbi. and then there's the firing of all of these january 6th prosecutors that has really just affected more than at least two dozen individuals who were hired under the justice department to take up these january 6th cases and then have since turned to other cases and are now being taken off and fired and dismissed from the justice department, all due to their involvement with these january 6th cases. >> but to your point, presumably this is not the only thing these people did right just because they touched or had some sort of involvement in the january 6th prosecution, i would assume they also play an important role in prosecuting other crimes that the fbi enforces. what are we hearing from the people who've been impacted? and are you hearing concerns about whether the fbi is going to be able to be effective in prosecuting crime? >> yeah, you're exactly right. i mean, these this was not the

only thing january 6th that they did, but also there's no allegations of really wrongdoing. there's no concrete allegations of any wrongdoing against these prosecutors. this is just because they worked on these january 6th cases. one of them actually spoke with msnbc last night. take a listen to what they had to say. >> the interim u.s. attorney at martin. sent an email to the entirety of the u.s. attorney's office here in washington, d.c, not specifically announcing terminations, but announcing a preservation or litigation hold. i'm not going to sit here and say for sure that it means that there are plans to criminally prosecute those who investigated and prosecuted the january 6th offenses, but it does at least imply that there's going to be some investigation. and we've seen that already. you know, that investigation could be criminal, it could be civil, or it could just be internal. >> so in addition to that prosecutor who spoke with rachel maddow there, i spoke with another prosecutor last night who was just fired, who was actually set to start monday working some violent crime cases and had been assigned to

superior court as opposed to federal court, because dc sort of unique in that both local and federal crimes are prosecuted by federal prosecutors or assistant u.s. attorneys. and so they're now away from those jobs. and they said for the past, you know, 12 days since donald trump took office, they were sort of looking over their back wondering what was going to happen. they said the pardons were really a devastating blow because they knew really some of those violent assaults, especially on the officers inside the tunnel. and what really struck them is that they had a much different idea of just how violent january 6th was before they became a prosecutor, and then afterwards. and i think that's really key here is like a lot of americans don't recognize just how brutally violent it was on the west side of the u.s. capitol. even, you know, someone, a prosecutor, before they came in, didn't realize the extent of it until they actually got involved in these cases. christina. >> yep, i was there. it was it was definitely a violent day. thank you so much. we appreciate your reporting. more breaking news president trump's trade war is expected to begin today as tariffs targeting canada, mexico and china may go into effect.

now for more on this, we want to bring in nbc news business correspondent brian chung. brian, first of all, there seems to be some confusion, even with officials in these countries that i'm speaking with, if the tariffs are actually currently in effect when they're going into effect and what products could be impacted. >> yeah. christina, this stemming. >> from yesterday's. >> commentary from. >> the president's press secretary. >> caroline leavitt, in addition to the president himself in the oval office, saying that there will be tariffs announced today and they will take effect today. but the challenge is that here we are at 1 p.m. eastern time, and we still haven't heard anything from the white house or seen any sort of documentation that would actually make these official. but look, here's what here's the talking points in terms of what they say they're going to do 25% tariffs on mexico and canada in addition to a 10% tariff on china, which, by the way, could get ratcheted up as high as 60% as was promised on the campaign trail. this would impact, and i can't underscore this enough, an enormous amount of imports into the united states. when you look at just the raw billions of dollars in goods that we take in from these countries, take a

look at china, mexico and canada, over $400 billion each. and when you combine all three of those countries, they represent 42% of all imports into the united states. these are the three biggest trade partners for the united states. but what's interesting about this is, again, we haven't seen the details yet, but this would be part of a strategy that president trump says could involve further tariffs down the line, including tariffs that might exempt oil today, but then could come into effect a few weeks from now. take a listen to what the president said in the oval office yesterday. >> but eventually we're going to put tariffs on chips. we're going to put tariffs on oil and gas. that will happen fairly soon. i think around the 18th of february. and we're going to put a lot of tariffs on steel. but we're going to be putting tariffs on steel and aluminum and ultimately copper. copper will take a little bit longer and that will happen pretty quickly. >> so here we are on february 1st awaiting the first round of

tariffs. and now we also have to bookmark february 18th for what could be potentially another round. >> christina i was speaking to someone last night who was from detroit and new family who worked in auto plants and was saying how much of those cars just goes back and forth across the border. and that's how the american auto industry has gotten really competitive in the last couple of years. so they were worried for their state. but when these tariffs start to go into place, how is this going to work for people who don't really understand how a tariff works? are american consumers ultimately going to be footing the bill for the products that they want? >> yeah. and look, when it comes to automakers, this is really a huge part of the conversation because of the fact that so much of mexico's exports to the united states are auto parts. but look, when it comes to the prices of the things that would be tariffs we've seen in the last episode, when president trump first put in his round of tariffs in his first administration. the impact when you take a look at a line chart, for example, of the rate of inflation, they call it personal consumption expenditures. you can see the blue line or all the tariff categories during his first administration. look at the line where the tariffs were

announced. you could see the marked difference in the price of things that were tariffs against the things that weren't tariffs. so those price increases ultimately do get passed on to consumers because the businesses say if we have to pay that because again, it's the importing country that has to pay those tariffs, they pass it on to everyone else. these are the list of other things that you could see get tariff as well. if we saw the first administration as a playbook, furniture, laundry equipment, auto parts, motorcycles, things that ultimately you might have to pay a little bit more for. >> all right. brian chung, thank you so much. and coming up, the list is long. we'll run you through the sweeping and sometimes shocking changes instigated by the trump administration, as well as the startling response from the president to some direct president to some direct qwhen you really need to sleep. you reach for the really good stuff. zzzquil ultra helps you sleep better and longer when you need it most. its non-habit forming and powered by the makers of nyquil.

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sorts of elimination on anything related to diversity, equity, inclusion or accessibility programs. and yesterday at the white house, he was specifically asked about whether he could confirm whether federal agencies were wiping their websites clean of any mention of daca. take a listen to what he said. >> i don't know. it doesn't sound like a bad idea to me. i would have ruined our country and now it's dead. i think the ai is dead, so if they want to scrub the website, that's okay with me. >> and the president. you heard saying that would be okay with me. now, i want to walk you through what we've been seeing on some federal agencies. so the department of defense, for example, sent out a statement that said, in part, identity is dead at dod and they targeted a number of months. i know we can put it up for folks. black history month, women's history month, asian american and pacific islander heritage month, pride month, national hispanic heritage month, national disability employment awareness month, national american indian heritage month. we also saw the

defense intelligence agency go after holocaust remembrance day, saying that they were ordering a pause on all activities there, but this extends past just sort of diversity month. you have the department of agriculture was scrubbing any mention of climate change from its website. the cdc was scrubbing a bunch of hiv related content from its website and the office of personnel management sent a reference saying that all references to gender ideology, including email signatures that mentioned pronouns, those needed to be removed by 5 p.m. yesterday. so this is really a sweeping policy change. and they want to try to scrub all websites, all sorts of mention of anything related to ai and around the federal government. and again, this is president trump really doubling down, saying that he believes that this is the best way forward for our country. i will note that he did sign a proclamation recognizing black history month, though. again, no federal resources, it seems, will be going toward actually celebrating the month. christina. >> all right. that's interesting. all right, yamiche, thank you so much. let's bring in peter baker, msnbc political analyst and chief white house correspondent for the new york

times and coauthor of the divider trump and the white house, 2017 to 2021. peter, first of all, you know, you heard that sound bite there. he kept saying they are doing it. it might not be a bad idea if they are doing that. we've heard similar. you know, i don't know what's happening, but it might be a good idea. who are they? who are these people doing it? and why doesn't the president want to take direct accountability or even credit for some of these initiatives? i mean, look at this list of initiatives that he's ordered over the last two weeks. broadly speaking, how do you think this could remake or even potentially damage the government? >> yeah. look, i think this is the most sweeping change we've seen with. >> a new president coming. >> in in generations, probably. since maybe fdr. >> coming in in the middle of the. >> great depression. and he has. >> put his fingers on so many aspects of government. >> in a way he really even didn't. >> do eight years ago. >> eight years ago, he came into office. >> of course, he never had a day in public office or the. >> military. >> unlike every president before him. didn't really know how

government worked. it took him a long time to kind of get his ground, you know, get his feet grounded in effect and how to be president this time around. he's had four years of experience as president and four years with his team outside of office to get ready for coming back. and they prepared, obviously, a pretty comprehensive list of changes. they want to make changes and retribution. and in some cases, of course, you know, expansions of government, of presidential authority that may be checked by the courts, that seems to go past the. laws that he's allowed that allow him to operate. but he is testing every possible area of government, all in this very short amount of time. >> and some of the things, you know, like making people take pronouns out of signature blocks can be upsetting to folks, but they're not as potentially damaging to people's real lives or work around the world as other things we've heard, like possibly eliminating or merging the entire u.s. aid department into the state department. is there anything that stands out to you as potentially destabilizing or difficult to reverse if and when someone ever wants to reverse it?

>> well, look, you know, it is hard to reverse some of these things, right? i mean, on some level, you can put websites back up someday when there's some other president that's a concern. but broadly speaking, if you dismantle a federal government that's grown up over generations, it takes a while to get it back. so they have offered, for instance, these not quite buyouts, but sort of buyouts to all 2 million civilian federal workers. if a large number of those people took it and they were replaced by particularly by political loyalists, which is what president trump would like to do, then that's a long standing change in government that will outlast even his time in office, because you've gotten rid of a lot of expertise, a lot of experience, a lot of people who have been trained. and if you were to bring them back, you'd have to start training them all over again. you don't get air traffic controllers, just to name an example, by snapping your fingers. there's a whole process of getting trained and qualified people in place. so some of these things can have long lasting impact for sure. obviously, the cutting off of foreign aid, we see the impact

on, you know, you know, people in sudan who have been counting on our aid for food or medicine and pepfar, which is the aids program that george w. >> bush, a george bush republican program. yeah. >> program, one of the most one of the proudest accomplishments of the last republican president that's been cut off, that saved arguably 25 million lives around the world. so these are real impacts on a lot of people. >> speaking of the faa, i want to ask you about that terrible plane crash in washington, d.c. it was one of the first major crises, one of the first major tests of this new administration. in the second term. and in your new article, you said the president went on the offense after the collision. let's listen to some of what he said. >> we do not know what led to this crash, but we have some very strong opinions and ideas. i do want to point out that various articles that appeared prior to my entering office, and here's one. the faa's diversity push includes focus on hiring people with severe intellectual

and psychiatric disabilities. >> how do you interpret that response? and overall, the administration's response to this tragedy, especially in the first 24 hours? >> well, first of all, the list he read of people with disabilities who were being recruited to work for the faa was a policy under his administration. right. he name checked president obama and president biden in order to try to shift blame to them. but in fact, the thing he was complaining about, the problematic hiring language that he didn't like was true for four years when he was president as well. so it's of course, unusual to see. not unusual, maybe even unprecedented to see in the modern times, a president come out after a major disaster like this, when they traditionally have played the role of comforter in chief, consoler in chief, mourner in chief, and instead to make it into a political event where he went after within minutes of coming out to the to the podium, he went after democrats by name, went after diversity, blamed the crash on diversity programs without any evidence whatsoever.

he acknowledged he didn't actually have any evidence of that, but simply said it was his common sense. he it was, you know, it was a political agenda rather than a comforting role in a moment of crisis when 67 people have lost their lives. >> all right. peter baker, so much to talk about. we're going to have to leave it there for now, but i'm sure you'll be back soon. thank you so much for joining us. thanks. all right, coming up, the democrats strike back. but how? back in a sec. >> legal eagle. >> and, doug. >> you'll be back. emus can't help people. customize and save hundreds on car insurance with liberty mutual. you're just a flightless bird. >> no. he's a dreamer, frank. >> okay. >> doug. >> well. i'll be. that bird really did it. only pay for what you need. >> liberty. >> liberty. >> liberty, liberty.

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>> more now on federal websites. temporarily going dark last night to comply with donald trump's order to get rid of all references to quote, gender ideology. now, this included the cdc's data portal and pages for the faa and census bureau. meanwhile, pages on hiv prevention and lgbtq resources have already been scrubbed completely. >> the dea is would have ruined our country, and now it's dead. i think dea is dead. so if they want to scrub the website, that's okay with me. but i can't tell you. i guess probably certain people handle it in certain ways. but i'll tell you who's very happy about it. the military, the real leaders, the real generals and the military. they're very happy about it. >> joining us now, democratic congressman from texas, marc veasey. he's a member of the house energy and commerce committee. congressman, what is your reaction to these moves?

and does it make us safer? >> no. these moves. >> are absolutely crazy and. >> unnecessary. >> trump actually. >> caused a. >> panic. >> a huge. >> panic in the health care community a few days ago when he. >> did that. >> initial freeze. >> i had. >> individuals from. >> federally qualified. >> health care centers. >> reach out to me and tell. >> me that. >> morning at 8. >> a.m. that they were. >> locked out of the grant and loan system. >> and they were. >> not able to get in. >> that. >> morning before it was supposed to even take place at 5 p.m. and so he compounds it with this effort. and i had a doctor reach out to me from chicago that i know that grew up here in texas, that said that all of the information about contraception, about contraception and stis that were on the cdc website has been pulled down and that there's now an actual black market amongst health care professionals to get this information, because no one can access it and find it now. and it's very critical that health care providers have this

information. but of course, he took it down. and so now it's created this crazy underground system of doctors trying to share this information with one another. just absolutely ridiculous. necessary. >> well, i've heard confusion from folks. you know, even in the public health sector. you know, hiv aids is not something that impacts one demographic or another. it's not an lgbtq or a gender identity issue. you know, all people of any demographic, age, gender can be affected by this very serious virus and disease. so that's really concerning a lot of people. i also wanted to ask you, some government agencies have suspended all events marking holidays like martin luther king jr. day, black history month, which is now underway. this is even coming as trump actually signed a proclamation marking february as black history month, which is a bit confusing. the son of martin luther king jr. is speaking out today saying, quote, i object to trump disingenuously citing my father. he said of the attacks that quote, nothing could be further from my father's dream. how much

progress do you think could be reversed if these policies continue and stay in place for the next four years? >> i think a lot of progress is going to be reversed, and all government agencies in the military, you know, it's interesting. i had an off the record conversation back in 2021 with female soldiers at fort hood, now fort cavazos in killeen, texas, and they told me that because of some of these programs that were put in place after the death of vanessa guillen that lost her life, that a lot of the jokes, a lot of the slights, a lot of the sexism and racism, not anything, you know, blatant that was already being addressed. but, but, but things that people could get away with before that that had ended. and my guess is that a lot of those programs that were designed to really sort of get at the root of some of the racism that is more subtle, that that's going to completely be eliminated, and that people can address issues

about things like inappropriate jokes or or inappropriate sexist comments. and, and as they say, america is back. and for a lot of conservative and maga people, what america's back mean is that we can go back to a time to where you didn't have to worry about saying inappropriate things to people, or making comments that could be misconstrued as racist or sexist because life was better back then. and that's really what i'm worried about, is that people are going to think that now it's open season and you can get away with whatever the hell you want to get away with. >> i also want to get your reaction to what's happening at the fbi. all six of the fbi's most senior executives are being forced out, along with multiple heads. fbi field offices across the country. this, of course, as we've mentioned, was tied to their roles in prosecutions of trump and january 6th rioters. you know, top democrats have slammed this and other actions as an assault on the rule of law. but what is the plan to fight back? what are democrats doing besides coming on here? and thank you for coming on here

and talking to us. but is there anything concrete that democrats are really doing to push back? >> we are going to obviously have to count a lot on our judicial system to push back on a lot of this, but i think just raising awareness amongst our constituencies and asking them to really speak out against all of this, i think is going to be important. and i think we have to be strategic about what we speak out against. you heard steve bannon say flood the zone, meaning just throw so much out there that it's hard to respond to anything and have people pay attention to it. and i think that this example of prosecutors being fired, literally, prosecutors being fired for putting people in jail that beat the crap out of cops, think about that. that's the sort of thing that we need to emphasize to the american public over and over again and not let, let, let not let trump pull us in every which way and every which direction. and we need to be very vigilant about that. and it's crazy to think about kash

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philly. according to audio transmissions, the air traffic controller, it sounds like they tried to get in touch with the pilot of this medevac flight, but apparently there was no response and the learjet crashed within minutes of taking off. how unusual is it as a controller not to hear anything at all back from the pilots? and does that indicate anything to you? >> thanks for. >> having me. >> it is extremely. >> unusual in. >> what it says, particularly. >> in the. >> incident that occurred last evening, is that. whatever contributed. >> to the. loss of control and the. devastating crash that took place in philadelphia. >> happened pretty quickly. from what i've been able to hear, i do know that there was a takeoff clearance issued. it was accepted. the flight did indeed take off. and then after reaching an altitude of, i believe about 1600 feet, something occurred. we don't know whether that occurrence was mechanical in terms of flight controls. it may have been the power plant, it could have been something on the flight deck. but whatever it was, it happened

with very little response time available to the crew to be able to correct whatever anomaly may have been taking place. and so what it says to me as a former controller is that air traffic control is a dynamic reality. things can change suddenly without any warning, and in a matter of just mere seconds, you could go from what is otherwise a routine shift or a routine day to a catastrophic incident, as we saw last night and earlier this week. >> and a catastrophic night in dc. i want to ask you now about that plane crash. you know, we're still waiting for the ntsb investigation and the and the data from those black boxes. but according to publicly available data reviewed by nbc news, it suggests the helicopter may have been flying too high at the time of the crash. you know, in dc, you see these helicopters kind of in the flight path all the time, but they're supposed to stay around 200ft. in that case, if that was the case, what should the air traffic

controller do in that situation? can you take us through what you perceive could have happened above the potomac on wednesday night? >> well, let me not so much deal with perception. let me deal with the information that i have heard. when we first heard the clip of the controller asking the crew of the black hawk helicopter, do you have the rj in sight? that's what i often call like showing up in the middle of the movie. there's some transmission that occurred before that that is essential to know why that transmission was issued when it was. if you go back and i believe i've heard a clip where what we would call in in air traffic is calling traffic. traffic was called to the black hawk helicopter to advise that the rj was on a course for runway three three, and at that time was at about 1200ft. the black hawk crew requested permission authorization to maintain visual separation from the aircraft, which means that the crew was accepting responsibility to steer clear of the path. and the

rj. that is now on what we would call short final. so whatever happened there after that was authorized. when you hear that second transmission, it is because the controller is noticing that the paths are still converging, and quite possibly the altitude is now changing, which caused the controller to ask to verify whether or not the black hawk crew still had the regional jet in sight. >> the other part of this that's drawing a lot of focus is there's a preliminary report from the faa saying that there was only one air traffic safety controller in the tower at the time. and you know this, the staffing is acceptable under faa safety standards, but the source calls it not normal. does it sound problematic to you to only have one individual kind of, you know, guiding all this traffic at a very peak time at a busy airport? >> well, not normal is a situational assessment. i don't have enough information to

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square in tel aviv, israel, is nbc's keir simmons here? who were the hostages released today? i can hear some noise behind you there. and what can you tell us about how the exchange went? >> yeah, yeah. >> let me just explain where we are right now. we're in hostage square, where every saturday evening in tel aviv, there is this gathering, which is a demonstration calling for the release of the hostages, but also has become something of a celebration as hostages have been released during this latest ceasefire. and you're right, today, the first american hostage released for the during this ceasefire, the first american in more than a year, keith seagull. and the people here in the crowd have been watching images of the hostages released, including keith seagull watching him embraced by by his family. we had extraordinary moments today when his wife, aviva, saw him walk free for the first time and just

to watch her was incredibly moving because she too was a hostage. she was released back in 2023. keith seagull, when she was released, said to her, i'll just be a few more days. there's a clock here counting the number of days. it's more than 480 now, and there are still. and these people will tell you there are still many other hostages who haven't been freed, including americans. sergey shen and aidan alexander. one of those, dan won't be in this first phase. so as this fragile ceasefire continues. but many of the people here are praying that the opportunity for more of these hostages, all of these hostages to be released, it still comes to pass. >> every saturday. there's an exchange is another week that this very tentative ceasefire deal has held. keir, thank you so much for joining us. and coming up, are any of the

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with my commitment to. >> our constitution. >> and our nation's security. >> was he a traitor. >> at the time when he took. >> america's secrets, released them in public. >> and then. >> ran to china. >> and became a russian citizen? >> senator, i'm focused. >> on the future. >> someone who. >> has served in. >> yes or no. >> is edward. >> snowden a traitor. >> to the united. >> states of america? >> as someone. >> who has. >> worn our uniform. >> in combat, i understand how critical our. national security. >> apparently you don't. >> apparently you don't. >> that's tulsi gabbard, president trump's nominee for director of national intelligence, refusing to brand edward snowden a traitor during a week of senate confirmation hearings for some of trump's

most contentious picks to lead critical agencies. joining us now, hugo lowell, senior political correspondent with the guardian. hugo, you were at the gabbard hearings this week. what exactly did we witness there? why stick your neck out for edward snowden? was it some sort of show of loyalty, or do you think it was something else? >> yeah. >> she really got. >> caught in a box. >> in her. >> hearing, because the expectation going in was that she was going to be grilled by democrats on, on assad and her. >> kind of. >> closeness with the russians and, and her various foreign trips. >> but then the committee. >> ended up. >> coalescing on a. >> really. bipartisan issue of. of snowden. and this. caused real problems for her. >> i think part. >> of the. >> reason why the. >> committee focused on. snowden as. >> an issue was because it was a. >> convenient way. >> to get at. >> the lack of. >> national security. experience across the intelligence community that that she. that she. >> doesn't have. and so there was this. sense that. we would

that the committee would focus on that issue as to why she responded. >> in the way. >> that. she did. it's. >> not clear. >> and we don't. >> have reporting. >> to suggest. >> that she was doing that because trump had. >> told her to or that there was. >> particular loyalty issues. >> but she has been outspoken defenders. >> of. >> people who. >> have been. >> critical. >> of the united states. in previous years. and so i think there was a. >> weird melting pot of ideologies for her in that hearing, and it became very difficult. >> and that could be something that could, you know, potentially be a problem for her, because now we've got republican senator josh hawley, who says he supports gabbard, saying he's worried by what he hears from some republican colleagues, adding that her nomination could be in jeopardy. do you think that's the case? might she not make it through? >> yeah, this. >> is a real. >> problem for her. >> you know, going into the hearing. we were we were reporting that there were. big three republican no's against tulsi. that would have been bill cassidy, susan collins and mitch

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